Youngkin and TJ

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Poverty rate in Fairfax County is 6.9%: https://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/demographics/poverty

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Anonymous wrote:PP that stated that the changes helped “economically disadvantaged kids all over the county”:

The changes did not.


I wish that they did, but the IDIOTIC way that FCPS choose to ask the FARMS questions on the TJ application meant that ANY child attending public school this year can fall into the low income bucket.

And no, they are NOT looking at anything else. There is to any other information for them to evaluate. Schools don’t have information on parents income just sitting around. So the only thing that they are using is how the parent (or child) responded to 1) Are you eligible for free meals? And 2) Do you receive free meals?

25% of the class of 2025 is not economically disadvantaged.

Do you have any citation? If you are so certain, what is the actual number?

I have no idea what the actual number of low income kids is. But the admissions office was not actually asking if a child is low income, they were asking two (2) questions on the application which are not helpful in determining who is low income in the current “free meals for alll” environment.

It’s insane, but that is really how they are deciding if a child gets the low income bump (40% chance of admission for the class of 2025) or not.

The questions are (Are you eligible for free meals? Are you currently receiving free meals?). Taken literally, any child in FCPS can say yes to the first question. Just about any child can say yes to the 2nd if they have gotten free meals a few times.

This is not on the website, buts on the application. Call the admissions office if you like, I’ve told you everything that I know.

Ok, so you make a claim affirmatively stating a fact, "25% of the class of 2025 is not economically disadvantaged" but you have no data or source to back up that claim. OK If you are positive that 25% is not the correct number, then you should know the correct number unless you are just making things up.

I have no idea what the correct number is. They didn’t ask about low income, they asked about free meals. The problem is in the question and how it was asked. Most parents clearly answered based on a normal year, but some read it literally, answered yes and got the bump. Seems like from the comments this is “out if the bag” for the class of 2026, so who know how the admissions office will handle it this year.

Source : 1) TJ admissions application and 2) phone call with TJ admissions office, which you are also free to call and ask.

Did you ask how they calculated "economically disadvantaged" or did you ask if all kids can pick "free lunch"?

"free lunch" = Economically Disadvantaged

A student is economically disadvantaged if the student:

1)is eligible for Free/Reduced Meals,[u]
2)receives TANF, or
3)is eligible for Medicaid.
https://www.doe.virginia.gov/info_management/data_collection/student_record_collection/data_definitions.shtml

Right. So how did they determine that? The self-reported data on the application OR verified data?

Did the PP ask which they used on the report?

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Anonymous wrote:Poverty rate in Fairfax County is 6.9%: https://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/demographics/poverty

How about for school-age children?

What is FREL for FCPS?

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Anonymous wrote:Poverty rate in Fairfax County is 6.9%: https://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/demographics/poverty

How about for school-age children?

What is FREL for FCPS?

27% of students

https://www.fcps.edu/about-fcps

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Anonymous wrote:Poverty rate in Fairfax County is 6.9%: https://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/demographics/poverty

How about for school-age children?

What is FREL for FCPS?

Children under 18 live in poverty: 8.3% (the same link)

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I won't be surprised if FCPS fabricated data. They're a bunch of liars and criminals.

[Anonymous]

POVERTY
In 2019, poverty for a family of four is defined as a family annual income of less than $25,750 per year.

ECONOMICALLY-DISADVANTAGED
A student is reported as economically disadvantaged if he or she meets any one of the following criteria:
Is eligible for Free/Reduced Meals;
Receives Temporary Assistance for Needy Families;
Is eligible for Medicaid; or
Is a migrant or is experiencing homelessness.

Families who earn less than 130 percent of the poverty level (33,475) are eligible for free meals and those with incomes between 130 and 185 percent of poverty level (up to 47,638) qualify for reduced-price meals.

What is your issue with FCPS families with a HHI of <$50k?

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we need to audit FCPS

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Anonymous wrote:POVERTY
In 2019, poverty for a family of four is defined as a family annual income of less than $25,750 per year.

ECONOMICALLY-DISADVANTAGED
A student is reported as economically disadvantaged if he or she meets any one of the following criteria:
Is eligible for Free/Reduced Meals;
Receives Temporary Assistance for Needy Families;
Is eligible for Medicaid; or
Is a migrant or is experiencing homelessness.

Families who earn less than 130 percent of the poverty level (33,475) are eligible for free meals and those with incomes between 130 and 185 percent of poverty level (up to 47,638) qualify for reduced-price meals.

What is your issue with FCPS families with a HHI of <$50k?

FCPS is offering no-cost meals at all locations this school year: https://www.fcps.edu/return-school/food, but this is still #1 criteria! My neighbors live in a $2M house, and their kids are "eligible" for free meals and use this opportunity. That is my issue with this "economically disadvantaged" definition.

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Anonymous wrote:POVERTY
In 2019, poverty for a family of four is defined as a family annual income of less than $25,750 per year.

ECONOMICALLY-DISADVANTAGED
A student is reported as economically disadvantaged if he or she meets any one of the following criteria:
Is eligible for Free/Reduced Meals;
Receives Temporary Assistance for Needy Families;
Is eligible for Medicaid; or
Is a migrant or is experiencing homelessness.

Families who earn less than 130 percent of the poverty level (33,475) are eligible for free meals and those with incomes between 130 and 185 percent of poverty level (up to 47,638) qualify for reduced-price meals.

What is your issue with FCPS families with a HHI of <$50k?

FCPS is offering no-cost meals at all locations this school year: https://www.fcps.edu/return-school/food, but this is still #1 criteria! My neighbors live in a $2M house, and their kids are "eligible" for free meals and use this opportunity. That is my issue with this "economically disadvantaged" definition.

Yes, we’ve covered that already.

And we still don’t know what data are they are using for “economically disadvantaged” on their admissions report. The self-reported application data vs verified ED status.

Last year, the admitted class only had 0.62% ED kids (~3 kids). It’s extremely likely there were significantly more than that this year if they were drawing kids from all over the county.

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Anonymous wrote:It's funny that it was whites, not asians, who enslaved blacks, and now they want the asians to be the scapegoat for their hideous crimes.

What does slavery have to do with opportunity hoarding?

Merit based and hard working is NOT opportunity hoarding. White liberals use past oppressions of minorities to promote their evil agenda, which is to further boost white interest. TJ reform is a perfect example.

TJ reform opens access to hardworking, qualified students from all over the county.

We now have better representation from ALL middle schools. Not just the feeders. And we also have a class that looks more like the population of the county.

Who benefited most from these changes? Hardworking, qualified kids who are from economically-disadvantaged families. And hardworking, qualified kids who are URMs.

That's absolutely false! It actually closed doors for those who are most talented in STEM, which should have been the mission TJ education. This is like NBA draft will be purely based on the assessment of playing among the middle schoolers, not in the highest level of games.

That is demonstratively TRUE. All have met the criteria. They are top 1.5% of their middle school.

Yes, if only NBA recruited evenly from all the colleges, it would be much stronger. What a bunch of idiots!

The NBA and the public school systems have different goals and stakeholders.

Public school's goals include racial discrimination against Asians?

Asian students are still disproportionately OVERrepresented.

So…no.

Again, overrepresented by what?

By county population.

And here’s your racist response in 3 - 2 - 1.

why should we go with population, but no by merit?

It’s a school that serves the county. It serves the whole population. Not a subset.

Isn't that how race quota and racism is defined though?

No. It’s a school quota. Race isn’t involved.

For the first time, TJ has representation from across the entire county (and beyond).

Yes, it is, just not explicitly.

Correct.

The “equity-based” reform initiative achieved the racial result it was designed to achieve.

To claim the new process was “race blind” is laughable.

Both processes were by definition "race-blind". That term means something different from what most people think it means.

The goal should always be "race-neutral", meaning that the process does not have disparate impacts on various racial groups because of how it is constructed. The old process was very far from "race-neutral" because it very clearly favored families with parents who had resources and motivation to invest in the TJ admissions process. The "resources" piece favored the wealthy, and the "motivation" piece favored Asian families - the evidence for which is in the deeply imbalanced application numbers. Asian parents - and especially recently immigrated South Asian parents - on balance care WAY more about TJ admission than any other group by orders of magnitude.

While the new process is still not "race-neutral", it is a much better approximation of the goal because of the elimination of two key elements: 1) the application fee, and 2) the admissions exams.

If this isn’t racist I don’t know what is. Typical liberal stuff though.

Again…. Exactly what are you taking issue with? I stated nothing that isn’t true and that people don’t openly accept.

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Anonymous wrote:It's funny that it was whites, not asians, who enslaved blacks, and now they want the asians to be the scapegoat for their hideous crimes.

What does slavery have to do with opportunity hoarding?

Merit based and hard working is NOT opportunity hoarding. White liberals use past oppressions of minorities to promote their evil agenda, which is to further boost white interest. TJ reform is a perfect example.

TJ reform opens access to hardworking, qualified students from all over the county.

We now have better representation from ALL middle schools. Not just the feeders. And we also have a class that looks more like the population of the county.

Who benefited most from these changes? Hardworking, qualified kids who are from economically-disadvantaged families. And hardworking, qualified kids who are URMs.

That's absolutely false! It actually closed doors for those who are most talented in STEM, which should have been the mission TJ education. This is like NBA draft will be purely based on the assessment of playing among the middle schoolers, not in the highest level of games.

That is demonstratively TRUE. All have met the criteria. They are top 1.5% of their middle school.

Yes, if only NBA recruited evenly from all the colleges, it would be much stronger. What a bunch of idiots!

The NBA and the public school systems have different goals and stakeholders.

Public school's goals include racial discrimination against Asians?

Asian students are still disproportionately OVERrepresented.

So…no.

Again, overrepresented by what?

By county population.

And here’s your racist response in 3 - 2 - 1.

why should we go with population, but no by merit?

It’s a school that serves the county. It serves the whole population. Not a subset.

Isn't that how race quota and racism is defined though?

No. It’s a school quota. Race isn’t involved.

For the first time, TJ has representation from across the entire county (and beyond).

Yes, it is, just not explicitly.

Correct.

The “equity-based” reform initiative achieved the racial result it was designed to achieve.

To claim the new process was “race blind” is laughable.

Both processes were by definition "race-blind". That term means something different from what most people think it means.

The goal should always be "race-neutral", meaning that the process does not have disparate impacts on various racial groups because of how it is constructed. The old process was very far from "race-neutral" because it very clearly favored families with parents who had resources and motivation to invest in the TJ admissions process. The "resources" piece favored the wealthy, and the "motivation" piece favored Asian families - the evidence for which is in the deeply imbalanced application numbers. Asian parents - and especially recently immigrated South Asian parents - on balance care WAY more about TJ admission than any other group by orders of magnitude.

While the new process is still not "race-neutral", it is a much better approximation of the goal because of the elimination of two key elements: 1) the application fee, and 2) the admissions exams.

If this isn’t racist I don’t know what is. Typical liberal stuff though.

Again…. Exactly what are you taking issue with? I stated nothing that isn’t true and that people don’t openly accept.

I can tell you're a disgusting person as with all other liberals.
First, do you have any evidence that Asian parents care way more about education than other groups? Don't just tell me it's from your biased a$$.
Second, even if it's true, who the eff are you to tell people it's right or wrong? Do you consider yourself a dictator of this country, who can decide whether other parents should care about education?
Who the eff are you to tell people not to work hard just to be "fair" to others?
Liberals are truly cancers to human society.

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Race is one measure of how effectively TJ is serving the entire community. Along with gender, economic factors, etc.

There is no race quota.

Unfortunately, how to measure the effectiveness isn't dictated by you. We'll see what happens.

The best measurement is what % of middle schools were represented. 100%. Major improvement.

said you? again, we'll see what happens. that's concludes our discussion.

Huh? It’s not my opinion. It’s objectively the best way to measure if TJ is serving the whole community.

I'm not sure you understand what "objective" means. It's an objective way to measure if TJ is serving the whole community. It is subjectively the best way to measure it, in your opinion. It's unambiguously the topic of a religious-style dispute, meaning that you'll never be able to convince every reasonably-minded person that it's the best way - and it would be unethical and authoritarian to force everyone to do it your way.

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Race is one measure of how effectively TJ is serving the entire community. Along with gender, economic factors, etc.

There is no race quota.

Unfortunately, how to measure the effectiveness isn't dictated by you. We'll see what happens.

The best measurement is what % of middle schools were represented. 100%. Major improvement.

said you? again, we'll see what happens. that's concludes our discussion.

Huh? It’s not my opinion. It’s objectively the best way to measure if TJ is serving the whole community.

I'm not sure you understand what "objective" means. It's an objective way to measure if TJ is serving the whole community. It is subjectively the best way to measure it, in your opinion. It's unambiguously the topic of a religious-style dispute, meaning that you'll never be able to convince every reasonably-minded person that it's the best way - and it would be unethical and authoritarian to force everyone to do it your way.

Looking at the middle school representation is objectively the best way to measure if TJ is serving the whole community.

It would be subjective to say that TJ’s goal is to serve the whole community.

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Anonymous wrote:I won't be surprised if FCPS fabricated data. They're a bunch of liars and criminals.

+1

It doesn’t add up.