Excellent podcast from Politico from youngkin strategists on how they won — must read/listen

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I think 2 thing are worth noting: 1) what PP said. D's did not offer "high-quality, safe, continuously open public schools." So it's not like there's a home with the D's any longer for that.
2) people who are mad often vote against a thing more than for a thing. I know we all want to be rational and reasonable and stuff, but when D's didn't prioritize education , and on top of that told parents (moms, mostly) to just shut up and accept it, that made some people mad. Thus is the nature of politics.

To point 1, I said that's the goal, right? And there are logical and illogical ways to try and achieve that goal.
To point 2, you're totally right about the "voting against things" part. It's really pathetic. But how were [predominately D-led] public school administrations supposed to 'prioritize education' when teachers wouldn't return to work and many of the parents who wanted in-person school wouldn't agree to mitigation measures? What magic solution do these 'switch' voters believe was available 15 months ago?

Schools in many other states managed to open.

Many schools in VA were also open.

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Anonymous wrote:Dems blew it by keeping schools closed for an unreasonably long time, losing suburban women swing voters. They lost me too, and im a lifelong democrat in DC who hates Trump. Wheres the alternative in our party? Do better, Dems.

You're selfish and pathetic. There's a great big world out there, and not everything revolves around your snowflakes.

And you think this kind of reaction represents a good electoral strategy???

I don't care. No so-called "lifelong democrat" turns on the party and supports Youngkin on the single issue of schools being closed for too long WHEN THEY WERE LONG AGO REOPENED.

But could get closed again.

LOL. Sure.

You sound 100% rational.

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Anonymous wrote:I am so sick of the whining over "they closed the schools!!!" The schools were re-opened long before election day. The worst that could be said was that the Democrats were too cautious in responding to a 100-year pandemic that was killing thousands of people. And because of that you stick us with Youngkin?

You're a bunch of Karens.

There were many people on this forum that did not want schools opening this year.
Just because schools are open now, is no guarantee for the future. What if another variant like lambda pops up, or A.42 variant of delta said to be more contagious. Voting McAuliffe means you are risking school closings in the future.

Liar. There were not "many people" who didn't want schools opening in fall 2021.

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Anonymous wrote:“ It was an election that McAuliffe lost because the perception among likely voters was that McAuliffe doesn't care at all about educating their kids.”

It’s this. And frankly I do NOT think it was a backlash against schools having closed from 3/20-3/21 or masks. I think it was a lot more about how the schools are handling this now and how they are likely to moving forward. FCPS’s survey on calendar came out around the same time as the election and in it I was pretty shocked to find the question about using asynchronous days as an option even next year. Nova generally supported school closure as necessary 3/20-3/21 but even we are done now and ready to be moving on.

yeah I think one article I read mentioned the spontaneous unplanned days off/asynch days this fall as a factor.

Will the school year get extended? Don’t kids need a certain # of in-person days this school year by law?

I don't know, it's all very confusing. I also thought that the rules on seat-time were pretty rigid. It seems like schools think they can now go "asyncronous" without having to be worried about that? And I share the frustration of a parent upthread who was told in the past that it would be impossible to do more recess. Come on - if we can shave off 30 minutes for administrative reasons we can just give them recess! Would be nice if the interests of what everyone knows is best for kids was somewhere in the top ten of priorities ...

Maybe they built in extra days for "virtual days" just like they used to do for "snow days".

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Anonymous wrote:Idk who is in here continually gaslighting by pretending that Zoom in a room counts as being "in school," but that PP is an example of why many McAuliffe voters didn't bother to vote, and some Democrats switched to Youngkin.

Debunking blatant lies with facts is not "gaslighting".

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Anonymous wrote:I am so sick of the whining over "they closed the schools!!!" The schools were re-opened long before election day. The worst that could be said was that the Democrats were too cautious in responding to a 100-year pandemic that was killing thousands of people. And because of that you stick us with Youngkin?

You're a bunch of Karens.

There were many people on this forum that did not want schools opening this year.
Just because schools are open now, is no guarantee for the future. What if another variant like lambda pops up, or A.42 variant of delta said to be more contagious. Voting McAuliffe means you are risking school closings in the future.

Liar. There were not "many people" who didn't want schools opening in fall 2021.

And they probably voted the same way they always did. The election was decided on the margins and closed schools both drove local some local voters to go red and reminded people in the counties that were open why they voted red.

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Anonymous wrote:Dems blew it by keeping schools closed for an unreasonably long time, losing suburban women swing voters. They lost me too, and im a lifelong democrat in DC who hates Trump. Wheres the alternative in our party? Do better, Dems.

You're selfish and pathetic. There's a great big world out there, and not everything revolves around your snowflakes.

And you think this kind of reaction represents a good electoral strategy???

I don't care. No so-called "lifelong democrat" turns on the party and supports Youngkin on the single issue of schools being closed for too long WHEN THEY WERE LONG AGO REOPENED.

But could get closed again.

LOL. Sure.

You sound 100% rational.

That's completely rational. Maybe you don't want to hear it, though? Think of this: a variant where case rates exceed those of last winter, and that evades current vaccines.

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Anonymous wrote:Dems blew it by keeping schools closed for an unreasonably long time, losing suburban women swing voters. They lost me too, and im a lifelong democrat in DC who hates Trump. Wheres the alternative in our party? Do better, Dems.

You're selfish and pathetic. There's a great big world out there, and not everything revolves around your snowflakes.

And you think this kind of reaction represents a good electoral strategy???

I don't care. No so-called "lifelong democrat" turns on the party and supports Youngkin on the single issue of schools being closed for too long WHEN THEY WERE LONG AGO REOPENED.

But could get closed again.

LOL. Sure.

You sound 100% rational.

That's completely rational. Maybe you don't want to hear it, though? Think of this: a variant where case rates exceed those of last winter, and that evades current vaccines.

So in your scenario, how infectious and virulant is this new variant? How likely is it that this scenario would happen?

I think it'd have to be a pretty crazy virus for most parents to want to go back to virtual/concurrent/hybrid.

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Anonymous wrote:I am so sick of the whining over "they closed the schools!!!" The schools were re-opened long before election day. The worst that could be said was that the Democrats were too cautious in responding to a 100-year pandemic that was killing thousands of people. And because of that you stick us with Youngkin?

You're a bunch of Karens.

There were many people on this forum that did not want schools opening this year.
Just because schools are open now, is no guarantee for the future. What if another variant like lambda pops up, or A.42 variant of delta said to be more contagious. Voting McAuliffe means you are risking school closings in the future.

Liar. There were not "many people" who didn't want schools opening in fall 2021.

And they probably voted the same way they always did. The election was decided on the margins and closed schools both drove local some local voters to go red and reminded people in the counties that were open why they voted red.

along with crt

unless all of those "I voted D for years but..." posters were faking it.

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That's completely rational. Maybe you don't want to hear it, though? Think of this: a variant where case rates exceed those of last winter, and that evades current vaccines.

So in your scenario, how infectious and virulant is this new variant? How likely is it that this scenario would happen?

I think it'd have to be a pretty crazy virus for most parents to want to go back to virtual/concurrent/hybrid.

But not the Democrat school board or the McAuliffe DOE.

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That's completely rational. Maybe you don't want to hear it, though? Think of this: a variant where case rates exceed those of last winter, and that evades current vaccines.

So in your scenario, how infectious and virulant is this new variant? How likely is it that this scenario would happen?

I think it'd have to be a pretty crazy virus for most parents to want to go back to virtual/concurrent/hybrid.

But not the Democrat school board or the McAuliffe DOE.

The Ds who passed the law mandating in-person instruction?

The people dealing with the fallout from last year?


Not rational because it's not likely to happen AND we are in a much different place than we were in July 2020....

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Anonymous wrote:Idk who is in here continually gaslighting by pretending that Zoom in a room counts as being "in school," but that PP is an example of why many McAuliffe voters didn't bother to vote, and some Democrats switched to Youngkin.

Debunking blatant lies with facts is not "gaslighting".

Keep living your fantasy, I guess.

You are why McAuliffe voters stayed home and handed the election to Youngkin.

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Anonymous wrote:Dems blew it by keeping schools closed for an unreasonably long time, losing suburban women swing voters. They lost me too, and im a lifelong democrat in DC who hates Trump. Wheres the alternative in our party? Do better, Dems.

You're selfish and pathetic. There's a great big world out there, and not everything revolves around your snowflakes.

And you think this kind of reaction represents a good electoral strategy???

I don't care. No so-called "lifelong democrat" turns on the party and supports Youngkin on the single issue of schools being closed for too long WHEN THEY WERE LONG AGO REOPENED.

But could get closed again.

LOL. Sure.

You sound 100% rational.

That's completely rational. Maybe you don't want to hear it, though? Think of this: a variant where case rates exceed those of last winter, and that evades current vaccines.

So in your scenario, how infectious and virulant is this new variant? How likely is it that this scenario would happen?

I think it'd have to be a pretty crazy virus for most parents to want to go back to virtual/concurrent/hybrid.

The point isn't the ACTUAL concerns about the impacts of the virus. The concern is that you'll have people who manage to sway the perception enough that the powers in charge believe (against evidence) that schools need to close. Like last year.

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I think trust is low that Democratic leadership would be rational in the face of a variant.

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That's completely rational. Maybe you don't want to hear it, though? Think of this: a variant where case rates exceed those of last winter, and that evades current vaccines.

So in your scenario, how infectious and virulant is this new variant? How likely is it that this scenario would happen?

I think it'd have to be a pretty crazy virus for most parents to want to go back to virtual/concurrent/hybrid.

But not the Democrat school board or the McAuliffe DOE.

The Ds who passed the law mandating in-person instruction?

The people dealing with the fallout from last year?


Not rational because it's not likely to happen AND we are in a much different place than we were in July 2020....

So....why did the Ds have to *pass a law* mandating in-person instruction? Who was standing in the way of in-person instruction?