Excellent podcast from Politico from youngkin strategists on how they won — must read/listen

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Anonymous wrote:“ It was an election that McAuliffe lost because the perception among likely voters was that McAuliffe doesn't care at all about educating their kids.”

It’s this. And frankly I do NOT think it was a backlash against schools having closed from 3/20-3/21 or masks. I think it was a lot more about how the schools are handling this now and how they are likely to moving forward. FCPS’s survey on calendar came out around the same time as the election and in it I was pretty shocked to find the question about using asynchronous days as an option even next year. Nova generally supported school closure as necessary 3/20-3/21 but even we are done now and ready to be moving on.

yeah I think one article I read mentioned the spontaneous unplanned days off/asynch days this fall as a factor.

Will the school year get extended? Don’t kids need a certain # of in-person days this school year by law?

I don't know, it's all very confusing. I also thought that the rules on seat-time were pretty rigid. It seems like schools think they can now go "asyncronous" without having to be worried about that? And I share the frustration of a parent upthread who was told in the past that it would be impossible to do more recess. Come on - if we can shave off 30 minutes for administrative reasons we can just give them recess! Would be nice if the interests of what everyone knows is best for kids was somewhere in the top ten of priorities ...

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Idk who is in here continually gaslighting by pretending that Zoom in a room counts as being "in school," but that PP is an example of why many McAuliffe voters didn't bother to vote, and some Democrats switched to Youngkin.

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And there’s the race card on cue. A lot of what the Dems have done makes it hard to believe they support brown children. The messaging is that those kids are too dumb to succeed so we’ll lower the bars and demoralizes the kids. When my kids was in first grade he came home telling me that all the positivity project type stuff was done because teachers don’t think he and his schoolmates can get into college. SMH.

I know of a black student, came from another place and took geometry in 7th grade- placed in prealgebra.

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Anonymous wrote:I am so sick of the whining over "they closed the schools!!!" The schools were re-opened long before election day. The worst that could be said was that the Democrats were too cautious in responding to a 100-year pandemic that was killing thousands of people. And because of that you stick us with Youngkin?

You're a bunch of Karens.

There were many people on this forum that did not want schools opening this year.
Just because schools are open now, is no guarantee for the future. What if another variant like lambda pops up, or A.42 variant of delta said to be more contagious. Voting McAuliffe means you are risking school closings in the future.

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Anonymous wrote:Dems blew it by keeping schools closed for an unreasonably long time, losing suburban women swing voters. They lost me too, and im a lifelong democrat in DC who hates Trump. Wheres the alternative in our party? Do better, Dems.

You're selfish and pathetic. There's a great big world out there, and not everything revolves around your snowflakes.

And you think this kind of reaction represents a good electoral strategy???

I don't care. No so-called "lifelong democrat" turns on the party and supports Youngkin on the single issue of schools being closed for too long WHEN THEY WERE LONG AGO REOPENED.

But could get closed again.

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Anonymous wrote:Here is one example to prove that they went back to all virtual even for the highest needs groups that had brought back in for a few times:

https://www.fcps.edu/blog/student-group-3-returns-virtual-instruction-december-14

Back in classrooms in Feb. All students (who selected in-person and didn’t ditch) were back in schools in March.

The PP above was lying.

Nobody is lying except the Dems lying to themselves about the consequences of school closures.

The consequences are pretty obvious. Lots of misdirected anger.

But regardless the PP earlier was lying about dates.

you just cannot face it can you?

I face it every day. The relentless lying is unavoidable.

I don’t get it. Totally dumb, clearly blatant lies. Why bother? Just trolling?

I don’t know why that one PP was lying. But guess what - none of believed it because there was literally no kernel of truth. Which is not what happened with what the Rs were saying … so you guys really have to do some self assessment on what kernels of truth there were with that.

Right. Misinformation is a huge issue.

Maybe the Rs could work on not lying. Even if a lie contains a kernel of truth, it’s still a lie.

oh ffs. nobody was lying. maybe PP had their dates wrong somewhat. the fact remains - schools closed for well over a year and Virginia was among the worst states for the length of closures. We all lived through it. You can’t pretend it didn’t happen as much as you wish you could.

N9t lying.

The dem is defining school as a handful of kids in the building watching youtube on a computer supervised by a random adult while their fully vaccinated teachers are at home

The multitudes of parents who say there was no school equate "school" with being taught a curriculum by physically present teachers who know the kids as more than a gray computer block that logs in but does not respond, where learning actually occurs.

School did not happen from March 2020 through the end of ajuly 2021.

This is indisputable.

So your kids were in-school but not getting appropriate instruction?

So just say that. It was horrible. No need to lie about it.

They weren’t “kept out of school through the summer of 2021” but they failed to get appropriate instruction even once they were back in the classroom. SN kids should have been prioritized for in-person teachers.

But to absolutely clear — no one was offered 5 days a week in person school until August 2021.

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And there’s the race card on cue. A lot of what the Dems have done makes it hard to believe they support brown children. The messaging is that those kids are too dumb to succeed so we’ll lower the bars and demoralizes the kids. When my kids was in first grade he came home telling me that all the positivity project type stuff was done because teachers don’t think he and his schoolmates can get into college. SMH.

I know of a black student, came from another place and took geometry in 7th grade- placed in prealgebra.

What is his supposed to tell us? That this kid took geometry in 7th grade elsewhere tells us nothing about what his Virginia school’s math pathway looks like currently or whether he had the necessary skills in areas other than geometry to take a more advanced class in whatever grade he was in when he arrived in Virginia.

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I think 2 thing are worth noting: 1) what PP said. D's did not offer "high-quality, safe, continuously open public schools." So it's not like there's a home with the D's any longer for that.
2) people who are mad often vote against a thing more than for a thing. I know we all want to be rational and reasonable and stuff, but when D's didn't prioritize education , and on top of that told parents (moms, mostly) to just shut up and accept it, that made some people mad. Thus is the nature of politics.

To point 1, I said that's the goal, right? And there are logical and illogical ways to try and achieve that goal.
To point 2, you're totally right about the "voting against things" part. It's really pathetic. But how were [predominately D-led] public school administrations supposed to 'prioritize education' when teachers wouldn't return to work and many of the parents who wanted in-person school wouldn't agree to mitigation measures? What magic solution do these 'switch' voters believe was available 15 months ago?

Schools in many other states managed to open.

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I think 2 thing are worth noting: 1) what PP said. D's did not offer "high-quality, safe, continuously open public schools." So it's not like there's a home with the D's any longer for that.
2) people who are mad often vote against a thing more than for a thing. I know we all want to be rational and reasonable and stuff, but when D's didn't prioritize education , and on top of that told parents (moms, mostly) to just shut up and accept it, that made some people mad. Thus is the nature of politics.

To point 1, I said that's the goal, right? And there are logical and illogical ways to try and achieve that goal.
To point 2, you're totally right about the "voting against things" part. It's really pathetic. But how were [predominately D-led] public school administrations supposed to 'prioritize education' when teachers wouldn't return to work and many of the parents who wanted in-person school wouldn't agree to mitigation measures? What magic solution do these 'switch' voters believe was available 15 months ago?

Schools in many other states managed to open.

And they managed to open without outbreaks.

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They won't be able to get a government ID either, so they will never be able to vote.

Thank you for the additional examples of the hyperbole being spouted off.

DP. How is this hyperbole?

I think you misunderstood.

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Anonymous wrote:5. Schools WERE open. Not the school buildings themselves, but your kids got an education!

Playing games or watching Youtube while the teacher is teaching is not getting an education. More capable kids would even put up their picture as a background and leave.

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Did Halle have Fox and rightwing radio lying for him all day every day?

The propaganda difference is massive.

Just ABC News, CBS News, NBC News, CNN, Headline News, MSNBC, New York Times, Washington Post

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Anonymous wrote:Does it matter whether it was 18 months, 12 months, or 9 months? The fact is that VA school closures were much longer than average and not based in sound science. The exact time period is less important.

If it were a one-time slip up, sure. But it’s been repeated many times. This is just another lame attempt to spread misinformation.

It was a year and a half. There were days from April 2021-September 2021 where my kids were not allowed to go to school. Sure two to three months of that was summer and the school would be closed regularly. However, they did not reopen fully until Sept 2021, and still are being required to wear masks.

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Anonymous wrote:Here is one example to prove that they went back to all virtual even for the highest needs groups that had brought back in for a few times:

https://www.fcps.edu/blog/student-group-3-returns-virtual-instruction-december-14

Back in classrooms in Feb. All students (who selected in-person and didn’t ditch) were back in schools in March.

The PP above was lying.

Nobody is lying except the Dems lying to themselves about the consequences of school closures.

The consequences are pretty obvious. Lots of misdirected anger.

But regardless the PP earlier was lying about dates.

you just cannot face it can you?

I face it every day. The relentless lying is unavoidable.

I don’t get it. Totally dumb, clearly blatant lies. Why bother? Just trolling?

I don’t know why that one PP was lying. But guess what - none of believed it because there was literally no kernel of truth. Which is not what happened with what the Rs were saying … so you guys really have to do some self assessment on what kernels of truth there were with that.

Right. Misinformation is a huge issue.

Maybe the Rs could work on not lying. Even if a lie contains a kernel of truth, it’s still a lie.

oh ffs. nobody was lying. maybe PP had their dates wrong somewhat. the fact remains - schools closed for well over a year and Virginia was among the worst states for the length of closures. We all lived through it. You can’t pretend it didn’t happen as much as you wish you could.

N9t lying.

The dem is defining school as a handful of kids in the building watching youtube on a computer supervised by a random adult while their fully vaccinated teachers are at home

The multitudes of parents who say there was no school equate "school" with being taught a curriculum by physically present teachers who know the kids as more than a gray computer block that logs in but does not respond, where learning actually occurs.

School did not happen from March 2020 through the end of ajuly 2021.

This is indisputable.

So your kids were in-school but not getting appropriate instruction?

So just say that. It was horrible. No need to lie about it.

They weren’t “kept out of school through the summer of 2021” but they failed to get appropriate instruction even once they were back in the classroom. SN kids should have been prioritized for in-person teachers.

But to absolutely clear — no one was offered 5 days a week in person school until August 2021.

Right, when special education kids went back in-person in Feb/Mar 2021 they only went four days a week.

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Anonymous wrote:Does it matter whether it was 18 months, 12 months, or 9 months? The fact is that VA school closures were much longer than average and not based in sound science. The exact time period is less important.

If it were a one-time slip up, sure. But it’s been repeated many times. This is just another lame attempt to spread misinformation.

It was a year and a half. There were days from April 2021-September 2021 where my kids were not allowed to go to school. Sure two to three months of that was summer and the school would be closed regularly. However, they did not reopen fully until Sept 2021, and still are being required to wear masks.

Sure. You can absolutely say that kids did not go back full-time in-person for 18 months.

LOL masks.