Excellent podcast from Politico from youngkin strategists on how they won — must read/listen

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That's completely rational. Maybe you don't want to hear it, though? Think of this: a variant where case rates exceed those of last winter, and that evades current vaccines.

So in your scenario, how infectious and virulant is this new variant? How likely is it that this scenario would happen?

I think it'd have to be a pretty crazy virus for most parents to want to go back to virtual/concurrent/hybrid.

But not the Democrat school board or the McAuliffe DOE.

The Ds who passed the law mandating in-person instruction?

The people dealing with the fallout from last year?


Not rational because it's not likely to happen AND we are in a much different place than we were in July 2020....

So....why did the Ds have to *pass a law* mandating in-person instruction? Who was standing in the way of in-person instruction?

And who was on the stage with McAuliffe at his final campaign speech?

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Anonymous wrote:Idk who is in here continually gaslighting by pretending that Zoom in a room counts as being "in school," but that PP is an example of why many McAuliffe voters didn't bother to vote, and some Democrats switched to Youngkin.

Debunking blatant lies with facts is not "gaslighting".

what facts? the salient fact is that schools were closed and not reopened for normal 5-day/week schooling for a very long time - with the details varying from school to school, child to child, district to district - but overall, Virginia was at the bottom of states offering in-person schooling. within these closures, special needs kids were especially harmed by the deprivations even when schools were purportedly "open." My child with autism went back in April but only 4 days/week and without many of the supports he needed. this led to a disrupted summer, and to a very rocky start of the fully reopened year in 2021. those are the facts. you, meanwhile, think you're making some kind of clever gotcha point when a poster seemingly gets the months wrong somewhat. so yeah, you're the one gaslighting by claiming that a mistake of dates is somehow more salient than the overall truth that school closures were very long and really hurt kids with SN. I could tell you the exact dates of school closures for my kid but I know you actually don't care.

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I think 2 thing are worth noting: 1) what PP said. D's did not offer "high-quality, safe, continuously open public schools." So it's not like there's a home with the D's any longer for that.
2) people who are mad often vote against a thing more than for a thing. I know we all want to be rational and reasonable and stuff, but when D's didn't prioritize education , and on top of that told parents (moms, mostly) to just shut up and accept it, that made some people mad. Thus is the nature of politics.

To point 1, I said that's the goal, right? And there are logical and illogical ways to try and achieve that goal.
To point 2, you're totally right about the "voting against things" part. It's really pathetic. But how were [predominately D-led] public school administrations supposed to 'prioritize education' when teachers wouldn't return to work and many of the parents who wanted in-person school wouldn't agree to mitigation measures? What magic solution do these 'switch' voters believe was available 15 months ago?

Schools in many other states managed to open.

And they managed to open without outbreaks.

Fewer DIE chiefs snd more scientifically trained administrators .

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I think 2 thing are worth noting: 1) what PP said. D's did not offer "high-quality, safe, continuously open public schools." So it's not like there's a home with the D's any longer for that.
2) people who are mad often vote against a thing more than for a thing. I know we all want to be rational and reasonable and stuff, but when D's didn't prioritize education , and on top of that told parents (moms, mostly) to just shut up and accept it, that made some people mad. Thus is the nature of politics.

To point 1, I said that's the goal, right? And there are logical and illogical ways to try and achieve that goal.
To point 2, you're totally right about the "voting against things" part. It's really pathetic. But how were [predominately D-led] public school administrations supposed to 'prioritize education' when teachers wouldn't return to work and many of the parents who wanted in-person school wouldn't agree to mitigation measures? What magic solution do these 'switch' voters believe was available 15 months ago?

Schools in many other states managed to open.

Many schools in VA were also open.

The facts are actually that only 6 states had schools closed longer than VA. I guess two can play at the facts game.

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Anonymous wrote:It's pretty easy.

Youngkin played the aw-shucks southern gentlemen while the right wing echo chamber pounded CRT and other BS through its media outlets and social media promotion.

This. A mom at soccer practice was gushing on how excited she was that Youngkin won so that he would save LCPS.

I usually ignore political talk but I couldn't help myself. I asked her if she'd researched what Youngkin had pledged to do for education. Spoiler alert: she hadn't. She had just gone by the talking hot points and was a bit crestfallen when I send her information on the scope of what the Governor can actually change re: education.

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Anonymous wrote:It's pretty easy.

Youngkin played the aw-shucks southern gentlemen while the right wing echo chamber pounded CRT and other BS through its media outlets and social media promotion.

This. A mom at soccer practice was gushing on how excited she was that Youngkin won so that he would save LCPS.

I usually ignore political talk but I couldn't help myself. I asked her if she'd researched what Youngkin had pledged to do for education. Spoiler alert: she hadn't. She had just gone by the talking hot points and was a bit crestfallen when I send her information on the scope of what the Governor can actually change re: education.

Gee whiz I hope you patted yourself on the back Nancy, sounds like you really showed her!

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Anonymous wrote:It's pretty easy.

Youngkin played the aw-shucks southern gentlemen while the right wing echo chamber pounded CRT and other BS through its media outlets and social media promotion.

This. A mom at soccer practice was gushing on how excited she was that Youngkin won so that he would save LCPS.

I usually ignore political talk but I couldn't help myself. I asked her if she'd researched what Youngkin had pledged to do for education. Spoiler alert: she hadn't. She had just gone by the talking hot points and was a bit crestfallen when I send her information on the scope of what the Governor can actually change re: education.

Gee whiz I hope you patted yourself on the back Nancy, sounds like you really showed her!

Yeah - she probably didn't even read the information.

Willful ignorance is a b.

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I think 2 thing are worth noting: 1) what PP said. D's did not offer "high-quality, safe, continuously open public schools." So it's not like there's a home with the D's any longer for that.
2) people who are mad often vote against a thing more than for a thing. I know we all want to be rational and reasonable and stuff, but when D's didn't prioritize education , and on top of that told parents (moms, mostly) to just shut up and accept it, that made some people mad. Thus is the nature of politics.

To point 1, I said that's the goal, right? And there are logical and illogical ways to try and achieve that goal.
To point 2, you're totally right about the "voting against things" part. It's really pathetic. But how were [predominately D-led] public school administrations supposed to 'prioritize education' when teachers wouldn't return to work and many of the parents who wanted in-person school wouldn't agree to mitigation measures? What magic solution do these 'switch' voters believe was available 15 months ago?

Schools in many other states managed to open.

Many schools in VA were also open.

The facts are actually that only 6 states had schools closed longer than VA. I guess two can play at the facts game.

Is that all this is to you - a game? Do you even have kids?

Northam didn't keep schools virtual - those were local decisions. As demonstrated by all of the different approaches and timelines to virtual/in-person.

We get it. You are mad at your school district. There were some very bad consequences from virtual/concurrent learning. Push your superintendent and school board to address learning loss, SEL, etc. That is best use of your energy right now if you actually want to make a change.

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I think 2 thing are worth noting: 1) what PP said. D's did not offer "high-quality, safe, continuously open public schools." So it's not like there's a home with the D's any longer for that.
2) people who are mad often vote against a thing more than for a thing. I know we all want to be rational and reasonable and stuff, but when D's didn't prioritize education , and on top of that told parents (moms, mostly) to just shut up and accept it, that made some people mad. Thus is the nature of politics.

To point 1, I said that's the goal, right? And there are logical and illogical ways to try and achieve that goal.
To point 2, you're totally right about the "voting against things" part. It's really pathetic. But how were [predominately D-led] public school administrations supposed to 'prioritize education' when teachers wouldn't return to work and many of the parents who wanted in-person school wouldn't agree to mitigation measures? What magic solution do these 'switch' voters believe was available 15 months ago?

Schools in many other states managed to open.

Many schools in VA were also open.

The facts are actually that only 6 states had schools closed longer than VA. I guess two can play at the facts game.

Is that all this is to you - a game? Do you even have kids?

Northam didn't keep schools virtual - those were local decisions. As demonstrated by all of the different approaches and timelines to virtual/in-person.

We get it. You are mad at your school district. There were some very bad consequences from virtual/concurrent learning. Push your superintendent and school board to address learning loss, SEL, etc. That is best use of your energy right now if you actually want to make a change.

So Northam did pass a law forcing schools to offer in-person learning 5 days a week, yes? That was something that the governor did to open schools over the objection of the school districts and teachers' union?

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The fact that Northam passed a law to open schools suggests:
1) he could have done it sooner
2) the governor has power to open schools
3) the governor wanted schools open sooner than they were but couldn't do it because....???

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I think 2 thing are worth noting: 1) what PP said. D's did not offer "high-quality, safe, continuously open public schools." So it's not like there's a home with the D's any longer for that.
2) people who are mad often vote against a thing more than for a thing. I know we all want to be rational and reasonable and stuff, but when D's didn't prioritize education , and on top of that told parents (moms, mostly) to just shut up and accept it, that made some people mad. Thus is the nature of politics.

To point 1, I said that's the goal, right? And there are logical and illogical ways to try and achieve that goal.
To point 2, you're totally right about the "voting against things" part. It's really pathetic. But how were [predominately D-led] public school administrations supposed to 'prioritize education' when teachers wouldn't return to work and many of the parents who wanted in-person school wouldn't agree to mitigation measures? What magic solution do these 'switch' voters believe was available 15 months ago?

Schools in many other states managed to open.

Many schools in VA were also open.

The facts are actually that only 6 states had schools closed longer than VA. I guess two can play at the facts game.

Is that all this is to you - a game? Do you even have kids?

Northam didn't keep schools virtual - those were local decisions. As demonstrated by all of the different approaches and timelines to virtual/in-person.

We get it. You are mad at your school district. There were some very bad consequences from virtual/concurrent learning. Push your superintendent and school board to address learning loss, SEL, etc. That is best use of your energy right now if you actually want to make a change.

People are mad at DEMOCRATS. Local Democrats who made the local decisions to close schools, and state/national Democrats who turned schools into a wedge issue and encourage paranoia and continued closures. That's the point of this thread.

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I think 2 thing are worth noting: 1) what PP said. D's did not offer "high-quality, safe, continuously open public schools." So it's not like there's a home with the D's any longer for that.
2) people who are mad often vote against a thing more than for a thing. I know we all want to be rational and reasonable and stuff, but when D's didn't prioritize education , and on top of that told parents (moms, mostly) to just shut up and accept it, that made some people mad. Thus is the nature of politics.

To point 1, I said that's the goal, right? And there are logical and illogical ways to try and achieve that goal.
To point 2, you're totally right about the "voting against things" part. It's really pathetic. But how were [predominately D-led] public school administrations supposed to 'prioritize education' when teachers wouldn't return to work and many of the parents who wanted in-person school wouldn't agree to mitigation measures? What magic solution do these 'switch' voters believe was available 15 months ago?

Schools in many other states managed to open.

Many schools in VA were also open.

The facts are actually that only 6 states had schools closed longer than VA. I guess two can play at the facts game.

Is that all this is to you - a game? Do you even have kids?

Northam didn't keep schools virtual - those were local decisions. As demonstrated by all of the different approaches and timelines to virtual/in-person.

We get it. You are mad at your school district. There were some very bad consequences from virtual/concurrent learning. Push your superintendent and school board to address learning loss, SEL, etc. That is best use of your energy right now if you actually want to make a change.

People are mad at DEMOCRATS. Local Democrats who made the local decisions to close schools, and state/national Democrats who turned schools into a wedge issue and encourage paranoia and continued closures. That's the point of this thread.

How exactly did Northam or VDH/VDOE "turn schools into a wedge issue, encourage paranoia, or continue closures"?

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Anonymous wrote:[
I think 2 thing are worth noting: 1) what PP said. D's did not offer "high-quality, safe, continuously open public schools." So it's not like there's a home with the D's any longer for that.
2) people who are mad often vote against a thing more than for a thing. I know we all want to be rational and reasonable and stuff, but when D's didn't prioritize education , and on top of that told parents (moms, mostly) to just shut up and accept it, that made some people mad. Thus is the nature of politics.

To point 1, I said that's the goal, right? And there are logical and illogical ways to try and achieve that goal.
To point 2, you're totally right about the "voting against things" part. It's really pathetic. But how were [predominately D-led] public school administrations supposed to 'prioritize education' when teachers wouldn't return to work and many of the parents who wanted in-person school wouldn't agree to mitigation measures? What magic solution do these 'switch' voters believe was available 15 months ago?

Schools in many other states managed to open.

Many schools in VA were also open.

The facts are actually that only 6 states had schools closed longer than VA. I guess two can play at the facts game.

Is that all this is to you - a game? Do you even have kids?

Northam didn't keep schools virtual - those were local decisions. As demonstrated by all of the different approaches and timelines to virtual/in-person.

We get it. You are mad at your school district. There were some very bad consequences from virtual/concurrent learning. Push your superintendent and school board to address learning loss, SEL, etc. That is best use of your energy right now if you actually want to make a change.

People are mad at DEMOCRATS. Local Democrats who made the local decisions to close schools, and state/national Democrats who turned schools into a wedge issue and encourage paranoia and continued closures. That's the point of this thread.

How exactly did Northam or VDH/VDOE "turn schools into a wedge issue, encourage paranoia, or continue closures"?

Biden campaigned on school scare-tactics and then his CDC reversed course when the unions complained. Northam campaigned with Weingarten who exploited false beliefs about the risks of open schools for her own union's benefit. Northam (and most other dems) failed to use their positions to advocate for open schools - they just let this vital public service disappear. Northam was the one to originally order schools to close, so it's on him that they didn't reopen.

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I think 2 thing are worth noting: 1) what PP said. D's did not offer "high-quality, safe, continuously open public schools." So it's not like there's a home with the D's any longer for that.
2) people who are mad often vote against a thing more than for a thing. I know we all want to be rational and reasonable and stuff, but when D's didn't prioritize education , and on top of that told parents (moms, mostly) to just shut up and accept it, that made some people mad. Thus is the nature of politics.

To point 1, I said that's the goal, right? And there are logical and illogical ways to try and achieve that goal.
To point 2, you're totally right about the "voting against things" part. It's really pathetic. But how were [predominately D-led] public school administrations supposed to 'prioritize education' when teachers wouldn't return to work and many of the parents who wanted in-person school wouldn't agree to mitigation measures? What magic solution do these 'switch' voters believe was available 15 months ago?

Schools in many other states managed to open.

Many schools in VA were also open.

The facts are actually that only 6 states had schools closed longer than VA. I guess two can play at the facts game.

Is that all this is to you - a game? Do you even have kids?

Northam didn't keep schools virtual - those were local decisions. As demonstrated by all of the different approaches and timelines to virtual/in-person.

We get it. You are mad at your school district. There were some very bad consequences from virtual/concurrent learning. Push your superintendent and school board to address learning loss, SEL, etc. That is best use of your energy right now if you actually want to make a change.

So Northam did pass a law forcing schools to offer in-person learning 5 days a week, yes? That was something that the governor did to open schools over the objection of the school districts and teachers' union?

Yes, he signed the bipartisan bill (senate: 36-3; house: 88-9) in March after the big winter surge and after we had a vaccine.

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Anonymous wrote:Idk who is in here continually gaslighting by pretending that Zoom in a room counts as being "in school," but that PP is an example of why many McAuliffe voters didn't bother to vote, and some Democrats switched to Youngkin.

Debunking blatant lies with facts is not "gaslighting".

what facts? the salient fact is that schools were closed and not reopened for normal 5-day/week schooling for a very long time - with the details varying from school to school, child to child, district to district - but overall, Virginia was at the bottom of states offering in-person schooling. within these closures, special needs kids were especially harmed by the deprivations even when schools were purportedly "open." My child with autism went back in April but only 4 days/week and without many of the supports he needed. this led to a disrupted summer, and to a very rocky start of the fully reopened year in 2021. those are the facts. you, meanwhile, think you're making some kind of clever gotcha point when a poster seemingly gets the months wrong somewhat. so yeah, you're the one gaslighting by claiming that a mistake of dates is somehow more salient than the overall truth that school closures were very long and really hurt kids with SN. I could tell you the exact dates of school closures for my kid but I know you actually don't care.

+1 exactly

That PP is either deliberately gaslighting or is just really dense. Either way, sort of an object lesson in Democrat cluelessness.