CORONAVIRUS/COVID-19 NEW MEGA THREAD

[Anonymous]

I am stunned that people are attending church. You would think after NY and Georgetown, folks wouldn’t go.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Today the number of cases outside of China has eclipsed the number of cases in China.

China: 80,849

Rest of the World: 81,807 (More than half from 3 countries: 25% from Italy, 17% from Iran, 10% South Korea)

Total:162,646

As many as 61,000 people died in the 2017-2018 flu season, and 45 million were infected

Please remember almost all flu reports of cases and deaths are modeled and do not represent actual counts.

Some of the modeling I have seen for Covid-19 are jaw dropping, but I do not believe can be even an approximation of the situation until a fair amount of time has passed and we have reasonable data on which to base modeling.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I am stunned that people are attending church. You would think after NY and Georgetown, folks wouldn’t go.

If you think that’s bad, people are licking “healing” shrines in Iran! Religious people do weird things.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I am stunned that people are attending church. You would think after NY and Georgetown, folks wouldn’t go.

The Catholic Church closed services in NYC for this weekend. (Churches are open for private prayer.) I expect the Catholic church will stop services here next weekend (no inside information).

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/wife-desperate-for-husbands-coronavirus-results/2241519/

What does it mean be can’t be treated for the virus until they know the results? I obviously feel awful for this family and totally understand the desire for a test result. But will that really change the course of treatment?

Probably not, since there is not treatment. But it does concern me that the largest hospital nearest me (where we would go should things become critical), doesn’t seem to have the capability to get rapid test results and/or to communicate to the family in a reassuring way that they are treating the patient as if he has it and are treating him aggressively, as they would (I hope) any younger person in critical condition with pneumonia.

I hate this administration. They have f***ed this up beyond belief.

It's easy to snap out at current politicians when feeling frustrated and angry. But I don't think any other politician would have had a different impact. Look at Europe. They all also waited before making major actions.

Are you for real?

The PP you are responding to clearly has been following international news on this while you have not. The only countries that have distinguished themselves in handling this are the several Asian nations that went through a very tough challenge with SARS, Singapore, Taiwan, Hong Kong, and South Korea and pulled out their playbooks to avoid a repeat.

There is NO European country that has handled this well, despite the praise one often sees here for their health systems. Italy was clearly caught totally unaware but citizens say there were strong political factors behind the delay. Let us look at countries that had ample warning that failed to take this seriously.

Italy has 350 cases per million; in comparison the US has 9.3. I was a huge early critic of lack of testing (because I was following the Asian situation) and posted here about it but almost no one cared. Let us say with more testing--on a par with some other European countries testing, bearing in mind that most have been only slightly less restrictive and some more restrictive than the US--we would have maybe three to four times as many or 30 to 40.

What's in between? Switzerland--256--they just closed schools Friday, a day after they closed some (not all) of their crossings with Italy and residents say testing is very restricted; Norway--222--again very slow to act although being one of the richest countries in Europe; Spain--166--just last week started closing down schools and pubic places; Denmark--149--just closed its borders Friday; Sweden--101; Austria--89; Belgium--76--just closed schools and public places; France--69--last weekend Macron and his wife went to the theater to encourage the French to continue going out despite the virus, but put in Spain type closures this weekend; Netherlands--66--testing stingier than the US; Germany--65--only now beginning to think of restrictions and testing is not widespread--unlike Spain and Italy they do not test the untested dead.

On the old thread that has been locked because it became too large, people were posting all about the global situation and politics (not policy) comments were reported and deleted. On this new thread people have lost track of the global situation as personal concerns (stockpiling, I am coughing should I get tested?) and political comments have come to dominate. As a result, those who just started following this when it seemed to come close to home are unable to understand the US situation in the international context.

I’ve been following for over a month and what has been lacking is leadership. I wonder who, in recent history, usually steps in in times of crisis and plays the role of global leader?

If you think Obama, Clinton, even Bush fear chrissakes wouldn’t have handled this better you are DELUSIONAL. We all may have been a bit behind still but this administration is actively making things worse by continuing to deny the reality and insist this is some liberal plot to hurt Trump politically. Then they enact policies that are not only pointless but actually make things infinitely worse...see the OHare situation. And I absolutely believe they are deliberately not testing to keep the numbers down. He came right out and said he wanted the numbers low when discussing the cruise.

Testing the population is pandemic 101. He’s turned us into a sh1thole country.

If testing the population is pandemic 101, why has every G-7, G-10 country not done it in any numbers that count like, say, South Korea?

My point is that the US has not especially failed here relative to the rest of the world that did not go through SARS. If the US is in that inelegant category of country you name, every single country in Europe also belongs in that category. And Canada.

And my point is that any other US leader could’ve gotten things going faster, motivated allies, etc, because we are the US-effing-A. We had, like, a whole office at NSC set up to deal with just this scenario. But this is what happens when you decimate infrastructure for tax cuts for the rich.

But yeah, keep thinking a competent US admin wouldn’t have made a difference here. Agree to disagree I guess.

[Anonymous]

Who would have thought a demagogue with money would be Ill equipped to lead us in a crisis?

[Anonymous]

When I look at worldometer I keep reading it like it's a sport cast or something - _ country is neck in neck with _country. Oh! _ pulls ahead for the win but no wait 50 more cases to _ country.

My brain might be pulling up childhood programming of sport obsessed family members to deal with the trauma?

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/wife-desperate-for-husbands-coronavirus-results/2241519/

What does it mean be can’t be treated for the virus until they know the results? I obviously feel awful for this family and totally understand the desire for a test result. But will that really change the course of treatment?

Probably not, since there is not treatment. But it does concern me that the largest hospital nearest me (where we would go should things become critical), doesn’t seem to have the capability to get rapid test results and/or to communicate to the family in a reassuring way that they are treating the patient as if he has it and are treating him aggressively, as they would (I hope) any younger person in critical condition with pneumonia.

I hate this administration. They have f***ed this up beyond belief.

It's easy to snap out at current politicians when feeling frustrated and angry. But I don't think any other politician would have had a different impact. Look at Europe. They all also waited before making major actions.

Are you for real?

The PP you are responding to clearly has been following international news on this while you have not. The only countries that have distinguished themselves in handling this are the several Asian nations that went through a very tough challenge with SARS, Singapore, Taiwan, Hong Kong, and South Korea and pulled out their playbooks to avoid a repeat.

There is NO European country that has handled this well, despite the praise one often sees here for their health systems. Italy was clearly caught totally unaware but citizens say there were strong political factors behind the delay. Let us look at countries that had ample warning that failed to take this seriously.

Italy has 350 cases per million; in comparison the US has 9.3. I was a huge early critic of lack of testing (because I was following the Asian situation) and posted here about it but almost no one cared. Let us say with more testing--on a par with some other European countries testing, bearing in mind that most have been only slightly less restrictive and some more restrictive than the US--we would have maybe three to four times as many or 30 to 40.

What's in between? Switzerland--256--they just closed schools Friday, a day after they closed some (not all) of their crossings with Italy and residents say testing is very restricted; Norway--222--again very slow to act although being one of the richest countries in Europe; Spain--166--just last week started closing down schools and pubic places; Denmark--149--just closed its borders Friday; Sweden--101; Austria--89; Belgium--76--just closed schools and public places; France--69--last weekend Macron and his wife went to the theater to encourage the French to continue going out despite the virus, but put in Spain type closures this weekend; Netherlands--66--testing stingier than the US; Germany--65--only now beginning to think of restrictions and testing is not widespread--unlike Spain and Italy they do not test the untested dead.

On the old thread that has been locked because it became too large, people were posting all about the global situation and politics (not policy) comments were reported and deleted. On this new thread people have lost track of the global situation as personal concerns (stockpiling, I am coughing should I get tested?) and political comments have come to dominate. As a result, those who just started following this when it seemed to come close to home are unable to understand the US situation in the international context.

I’ve been following for over a month and what has been lacking is leadership. I wonder who, in recent history, usually steps in in times of crisis and plays the role of global leader?

If you think Obama, Clinton, even Bush fear chrissakes wouldn’t have handled this better you are DELUSIONAL. We all may have been a bit behind still but this administration is actively making things worse by continuing to deny the reality and insist this is some liberal plot to hurt Trump politically. Then they enact policies that are not only pointless but actually make things infinitely worse...see the OHare situation. And I absolutely believe they are deliberately not testing to keep the numbers down. He came right out and said he wanted the numbers low when discussing the cruise.

Testing the population is pandemic 101. He’s turned us into a sh1thole country.

If testing the population is pandemic 101, why has every G-7, G-10 country not done it in any numbers that count like, say, South Korea?

My point is that the US has not especially failed here relative to the rest of the world that did not go through SARS. If the US is in that inelegant category of country you name, every single country in Europe also belongs in that category. And Canada.

And my point is that any other US leader could’ve gotten things going faster, motivated allies, etc, because we are the US-effing-A. We had, like, a whole office at NSC set up to deal with just this scenario. But this is what happens when you decimate infrastructure for tax cuts for the rich.

But yeah, keep thinking a competent US admin wouldn’t have made a difference here. Agree to disagree I guess.

Please tell me where the Democratic voices were on this? It has already been pointed out that the only news personality who sounded the alarm early came from the right.

The last Dem debate was on February 25 as Italy was beginning to rage. Not one mention during the debate. If you think someone from another party would have done this better you are the one who is deluded. Both liberal and conservative governments all over Europe have not done well on this either, and there were no opposition voices in criticism.

I repeat, the only governments that have done well are those from countries that went through SARS. And the only voices anywhere in the US decrying the lack of testing even before it was clear that Italy was a growing hotspot were on Reddit.

[Anonymous]

https://coronavirus.maryland.gov/
31 now confirmed in Maryland, 12 in Montgomery County, 9 in Prince George’s.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:When I look at worldometer I keep reading it like it's a sport cast or something - _ country is neck in neck with _country. Oh! _ pulls ahead for the win but no wait 50 more cases to _ country.

My brain might be pulling up childhood programming of sport obsessed family members to deal with the trauma?

I have been following closely since January 20 and it has been just like that or like tracking political odds on Predictit or election night returns. Many early comments on DCUM about people like me being obsessive FEARMONGERS (always appeared in caps).

[Anonymous]

Some people are withdraing cash: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/14/business/coronavirus-cash-shortage-bank.html

[Anonymous]

Don’t know about today’s Dem candidates but do I think a Obama would have done a good job on this? Absolutely.

[Anonymous]

To the Trump apologist above who asked where the Democratic plans were, here is an article about Warren proposing a federal response plan in January.

https://nypost.com/2020/01/28/warren-announces-infectious-disease-plan-amid-coronavirus-outbreak/

[Anonymous]

This is a very video that illustrates the poignant situation in Italy.

The newspapers shown are the February 9 and March 13 editions of a local paper in Bergamo. The video is in Italian, but you do not need to understand Italian to understand the video.

https://dump.video/i/PgFtDR.mp4

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:To the Trump apologist above who asked where the Democratic plans were, here is an article about Warren proposing a federal response plan in January.

https://nypost.com/2020/01/28/warren-announces-infectious-disease-plan-amid-coronavirus-outbreak/

Yeah, if you don’t think Warren would have managed this better top to bottom, then just confess to being a partisan and move along.