Why is Blake Lively so overrated?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:" On the day of shooting the scene in which Ms. Lively's character gives birth, Mr. Baldoni and Mr. Heath suddenly pressured Ms. Lively to simulate full nudity, despite no mention of nudity
for this scene in the script, her contract, or in previous creative discussions. Mr. Baldoni insisted to Ms.
Lively that women give birth naked, and that his wife had “ripped her clothes off” during labor. He
claimed it was “not normal” for women to remain in their hospital gowns while giving birth. Ms. Lively
disagreed, but felt forced into a compromise that she would be naked from below the chest down"

"To add insult to injury, Mr. Heath approached Ms. Lively and her assistant on set and started playing a video of a fully nude woman with her legs spread apart. Ms. Lively thought he was showing her pornography and stopped him. Mr. Heath explained that the video was his wife giving birth. Ms. Lively was alarmed and asked Mr. Heath if his wife knew he was sharing the video, to which he replied "She isn't weird about this stuff,” as if Ms. Lively was weird for not welcoming it. Ms. Lively and her assistant excused themselves, stunned that Mr. Heath had shown them a nude video."

This is all extremely messed up. Why are people defending these two? The mental gymnastics to make this seem ok is exhausting.

Because they are filmmakers making a movie where the pivotal scene is childbirth. It literally gives the name of the movie. It’s completely normal that they would discuss nudity in the CHILDBIRTH scene with the actress knowingly being paid to act out a scene of CHILDBIRTH.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:the porn complaints were different than the birthing videos at least according to the NYTimes

From Blake’s complaint, : “To add insult to injury, Mr. Heath approached Ms. Lively and her assistant on set and started playing a video of a fully nude woman with her legs spread apart. Ms. Lively thought he was showing her pornography and stopped him. Mr. Heath explained that the video was his wife giving birth.”

and “Ms. Lively was alarmed and asked Mr. Heath if his wife knew he was sharing the video, to which he replied ‘She isn’t weird about this stuff,’ as if Ms. Lively was weird for not welcoming it. Ms. Lively and her assistant excused themselves, stunned that Mr. Heath had shown them a nude video.”

And his response.

The Times compounded its journalistic failures by uncritically advancing Lively’s unsubstantiated claims of sexual harassment against Heath and Baldoni. For example, the Article, based on Lively’s [complaint], sensationally alleges that ‘Mr. Heath had shown [Lively] a video of his naked wife,’ with Lively’s [complaint] even labeling the footage as pornography.’ This claim is patently absurd. The video in question was a (non-pornographic) recording of Heath’s wife and baby during a home birth—a deeply personal one with no sexual overtone.”

“The video was shown to Lively as part of a creative discussion in preparation for a birthing scene in the Film. Heath informed Lively that his wife condoned his displaying the video. Any suggestion that Heath engaged in the exhibition of pornography or inappropriate content is false.”

Based on this back and forth, I side with Lively.

Her complaint doesn't call the video porn, it says that when she was presented with a video of a nude woman with her legs spread, she thought she was being shown porn. That's a reasonable supposition and is precisely why you shouldn't show someone a video like that without asking them first. She never said he showed pornography and her complaint doesn't refer to the video that way. But it does demonstrate that Baldoni violated personal boundaries in a variety of ways. His response actually compounds this impression -- he continues to maintain there is nothing inappropriate about showing Lively or others on set his wife's birth video, and seems unconcerned with the fact that this was shown without warning. If the video was as "deeply personal" as he say is it is here (and I agree it is) then why would he shown it to someone without explaining the context and making sure the person understood what they were looking at and were okay with it.

Also, Lively's response after he explained it was his wife is appropriate --

meant to add: it's reasonable after being shown a nude video of a woman you don't know to ask if the woman is aware that video is being shown to people.

It’s a he said/ she said about the context in which the video was shown, but it is indisputable that it is part of her claim for sexual harassment. Maybe he shouldn’t have shown it. But it isn’t sexual harassment.

For people who talked often about porn at work it very well could be. It contributed to an awkward and sexually charged environment when it wasn’t necessary. Blake in particular asked for it to stop.

I disagree, showing a birthing video is not ever pornographic but particularly not in the context of discussing a birthing scene.

You really shouldn't use words like "ever" when you're making shit up as you go.

Are you the person taking credit for not name calling?

Have you been called a name?

Well, it’s semantics, you are exceedingly rude on the regular.

Well, ok. You tried!

Still at it, I see. You just be a dream irl.

[Anonymous]

“Simulate full nudity” does not mean the actress is naked.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:" On the day of shooting the scene in which Ms. Lively's character gives birth, Mr. Baldoni and Mr. Heath suddenly pressured Ms. Lively to simulate full nudity, despite no mention of nudity
for this scene in the script, her contract, or in previous creative discussions. Mr. Baldoni insisted to Ms.
Lively that women give birth naked, and that his wife had “ripped her clothes off” during labor. He
claimed it was “not normal” for women to remain in their hospital gowns while giving birth. Ms. Lively
disagreed, but felt forced into a compromise that she would be naked from below the chest down"

"To add insult to injury, Mr. Heath approached Ms. Lively and her assistant on set and started playing a video of a fully nude woman with her legs spread apart. Ms. Lively thought he was showing her pornography and stopped him. Mr. Heath explained that the video was his wife giving birth. Ms. Lively was alarmed and asked Mr. Heath if his wife knew he was sharing the video, to which he replied "She isn't weird about this stuff,” as if Ms. Lively was weird for not welcoming it. Ms. Lively and her assistant excused themselves, stunned that Mr. Heath had shown them a nude video."

Yeah … if this is the worst they can do about Baldoni, it is very, very weak. Maybe there should have been a nudity rider for the birth scene, but Lively claiming it is shocking and abusive that a childbirth scene could possibly involve nudity is just dumb. If she didn’t speak for herself that is her problem, not sexual harassment.

Disagree, would be industry standard for nudity to he agreed up front, two men suddenly pressuring and mansplaining (inaccurately!!!!!!) about how most women give birth naked is really gross. The weird response to Blake re: her questioning permission of the wife in his video shows a chauvinistic pattern as if to imply that Blake is being difficult about going topless in a scene she never agreed to be topless in.

I am team Blake on this particular instance

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:" On the day of shooting the scene in which Ms. Lively's character gives birth, Mr. Baldoni and Mr. Heath suddenly pressured Ms. Lively to simulate full nudity, despite no mention of nudity
for this scene in the script, her contract, or in previous creative discussions. Mr. Baldoni insisted to Ms.
Lively that women give birth naked, and that his wife had “ripped her clothes off” during labor. He
claimed it was “not normal” for women to remain in their hospital gowns while giving birth. Ms. Lively
disagreed, but felt forced into a compromise that she would be naked from below the chest down"

"To add insult to injury, Mr. Heath approached Ms. Lively and her assistant on set and started playing a video of a fully nude woman with her legs spread apart. Ms. Lively thought he was showing her pornography and stopped him. Mr. Heath explained that the video was his wife giving birth. Ms. Lively was alarmed and asked Mr. Heath if his wife knew he was sharing the video, to which he replied "She isn't weird about this stuff,” as if Ms. Lively was weird for not welcoming it. Ms. Lively and her assistant excused themselves, stunned that Mr. Heath had shown them a nude video."

This is all extremely messed up. Why are people defending these two? The mental gymnastics to make this seem ok is exhausting.

Because they are filmmakers making a movie where the pivotal scene is childbirth. It literally gives the name of the movie. It’s completely normal that they would discuss nudity in the CHILDBIRTH scene with the actress knowingly being paid to act out a scene of CHILDBIRTH.

So she shows up to film it and suddenly that day they decide she has to be nude and she pushes back because nude scenes are agreed to before signing on to a film and ahe had not agreed to it. They then mansplain her that this is what most women do which is not factually true and this to a woman who has given birth multiple times. They then degrade her for asking about permission to show the wife nude to imply she is difficult about being nude in this instance.

Total male chauvinism.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:" On the day of shooting the scene in which Ms. Lively's character gives birth, Mr. Baldoni and Mr. Heath suddenly pressured Ms. Lively to simulate full nudity, despite no mention of nudity
for this scene in the script, her contract, or in previous creative discussions. Mr. Baldoni insisted to Ms.
Lively that women give birth naked, and that his wife had “ripped her clothes off” during labor. He
claimed it was “not normal” for women to remain in their hospital gowns while giving birth. Ms. Lively
disagreed, but felt forced into a compromise that she would be naked from below the chest down"

"To add insult to injury, Mr. Heath approached Ms. Lively and her assistant on set and started playing a video of a fully nude woman with her legs spread apart. Ms. Lively thought he was showing her pornography and stopped him. Mr. Heath explained that the video was his wife giving birth. Ms. Lively was alarmed and asked Mr. Heath if his wife knew he was sharing the video, to which he replied "She isn't weird about this stuff,” as if Ms. Lively was weird for not welcoming it. Ms. Lively and her assistant excused themselves, stunned that Mr. Heath had shown them a nude video."

This is all extremely messed up. Why are people defending these two? The mental gymnastics to make this seem ok is exhausting.

Because they are filmmakers making a movie where the pivotal scene is childbirth. It literally gives the name of the movie. It’s completely normal that they would discuss nudity in the CHILDBIRTH scene with the actress knowingly being paid to act out a scene of CHILDBIRTH.

Come on. Nobody needs to see your wife's birth video. A gown, simulating birth, is more than enough to get the point across. This isn't a medical training video on monitoring for effacement, dilation and crowning. Most of the time you see the angle from above the knees. The audience gets it. What is the point of simulation nudity at all? They were making something natural sexual.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:" On the day of shooting the scene in which Ms. Lively's character gives birth, Mr. Baldoni and Mr. Heath suddenly pressured Ms. Lively to simulate full nudity, despite no mention of nudity
for this scene in the script, her contract, or in previous creative discussions. Mr. Baldoni insisted to Ms.
Lively that women give birth naked, and that his wife had “ripped her clothes off” during labor. He
claimed it was “not normal” for women to remain in their hospital gowns while giving birth. Ms. Lively
disagreed, but felt forced into a compromise that she would be naked from below the chest down"

"To add insult to injury, Mr. Heath approached Ms. Lively and her assistant on set and started playing a video of a fully nude woman with her legs spread apart. Ms. Lively thought he was showing her pornography and stopped him. Mr. Heath explained that the video was his wife giving birth. Ms. Lively was alarmed and asked Mr. Heath if his wife knew he was sharing the video, to which he replied "She isn't weird about this stuff,” as if Ms. Lively was weird for not welcoming it. Ms. Lively and her assistant excused themselves, stunned that Mr. Heath had shown them a nude video."

This is all extremely messed up. Why are people defending these two? The mental gymnastics to make this seem ok is exhausting.

Because they are filmmakers making a movie where the pivotal scene is childbirth. It literally gives the name of the movie. It’s completely normal that they would discuss nudity in the CHILDBIRTH scene with the actress knowingly being paid to act out a scene of CHILDBIRTH.

So she shows up to film it and suddenly that day they decide she has to be nude and she pushes back because nude scenes are agreed to before signing on to a film and ahe had not agreed to it. They then mansplain her that this is what most women do which is not factually true and this to a woman who has given birth multiple times. They then degrade her for asking about permission to show the wife nude to imply she is difficult about being nude in this instance.

Total male chauvinism.

+1

[Anonymous]

Just want to throw in that as a woman who has given birth, I not only was wearing a hospital gown during the birth, but was even more covered up than that for most of my time in the labor and delivery room. I don't think this is abnormal at all. It's fine if a woman wants to be naked during birth but I don't think it's automatic and I actually think the way these men on this set discussed what is "normal" during childbirth is really creepy and it would have bothered me as a woman on that set even if they weren't talking to me or pressuring me to do a birth scene nude. They were using shaming, judgmental language to talk about something that is very intimate and personal.

Imagine a movie where a man has to film a scene where he gets a prostate exam. Imagine that the female director and producers tell him what is normal and not normal for a man to do when having that procedure, and without warning show him a video of one of their husbands having the exam done where the man's genitalia are on full display. Would that make a man feel uncomfortable?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:" On the day of shooting the scene in which Ms. Lively's character gives birth, Mr. Baldoni and Mr. Heath suddenly pressured Ms. Lively to simulate full nudity, despite no mention of nudity
for this scene in the script, her contract, or in previous creative discussions. Mr. Baldoni insisted to Ms.
Lively that women give birth naked, and that his wife had “ripped her clothes off” during labor. He
claimed it was “not normal” for women to remain in their hospital gowns while giving birth. Ms. Lively
disagreed, but felt forced into a compromise that she would be naked from below the chest down"

"To add insult to injury, Mr. Heath approached Ms. Lively and her assistant on set and started playing a video of a fully nude woman with her legs spread apart. Ms. Lively thought he was showing her pornography and stopped him. Mr. Heath explained that the video was his wife giving birth. Ms. Lively was alarmed and asked Mr. Heath if his wife knew he was sharing the video, to which he replied "She isn't weird about this stuff,” as if Ms. Lively was weird for not welcoming it. Ms. Lively and her assistant excused themselves, stunned that Mr. Heath had shown them a nude video."

This is all extremely messed up. Why are people defending these two? The mental gymnastics to make this seem ok is exhausting.

Because they are filmmakers making a movie where the pivotal scene is childbirth. It literally gives the name of the movie. It’s completely normal that they would discuss nudity in the CHILDBIRTH scene with the actress knowingly being paid to act out a scene of CHILDBIRTH.

So she shows up to film it and suddenly that day they decide she has to be nude and she pushes back because nude scenes are agreed to before signing on to a film and ahe had not agreed to it. They then mansplain her that this is what most women do which is not factually true and this to a woman who has given birth multiple times. They then degrade her for asking about permission to show the wife nude to imply she is difficult about being nude in this instance.

Total male chauvinism.

Perfectly put.

I have a hard time believing any woman who has been through childbirth would read those three paragraphs from Lively's complaint and not conclude she has a case. I honestly would be surprised if the wife of the producer whose birth video was apparently passed around set for viewing wasn't pissed about how that video was used by her husband and his partners to shame and humiliate an actress filming a birth scene, who had had given birth to her fourth baby just a few months prior.

I think Baldoni is toast. Reading that is radicalizing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:“Simulate full nudity” does not mean the actress is naked.

It's very close to it. Here is the footnote from the complaint that explains what kind of coverage is used to simulate nudity in a scene like this:

"8 Generally, nudity below the waist in film utilizes a small piece of nude fabric glued around the female actor’s genitalia to provide some minimal privacy without disturbing the shot (because that fabric is not able to have visible straps from profile camera angles)."

So unless you walk around with small pieces of nude fabric glued to your genitalia and nothing else and consider that "clothed" this is naked.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:the porn complaints were different than the birthing videos at least according to the NYTimes

From Blake’s complaint, : “To add insult to injury, Mr. Heath approached Ms. Lively and her assistant on set and started playing a video of a fully nude woman with her legs spread apart. Ms. Lively thought he was showing her pornography and stopped him. Mr. Heath explained that the video was his wife giving birth.”

and “Ms. Lively was alarmed and asked Mr. Heath if his wife knew he was sharing the video, to which he replied ‘She isn’t weird about this stuff,’ as if Ms. Lively was weird for not welcoming it. Ms. Lively and her assistant excused themselves, stunned that Mr. Heath had shown them a nude video.”

And his response.

The Times compounded its journalistic failures by uncritically advancing Lively’s unsubstantiated claims of sexual harassment against Heath and Baldoni. For example, the Article, based on Lively’s [complaint], sensationally alleges that ‘Mr. Heath had shown [Lively] a video of his naked wife,’ with Lively’s [complaint] even labeling the footage as pornography.’ This claim is patently absurd. The video in question was a (non-pornographic) recording of Heath’s wife and baby during a home birth—a deeply personal one with no sexual overtone.”

“The video was shown to Lively as part of a creative discussion in preparation for a birthing scene in the Film. Heath informed Lively that his wife condoned his displaying the video. Any suggestion that Heath engaged in the exhibition of pornography or inappropriate content is false.”

Based on this back and forth, I side with Lively.

Her complaint doesn't call the video porn, it says that when she was presented with a video of a nude woman with her legs spread, she thought she was being shown porn. That's a reasonable supposition and is precisely why you shouldn't show someone a video like that without asking them first. She never said he showed pornography and her complaint doesn't refer to the video that way. But it does demonstrate that Baldoni violated personal boundaries in a variety of ways. His response actually compounds this impression -- he continues to maintain there is nothing inappropriate about showing Lively or others on set his wife's birth video, and seems unconcerned with the fact that this was shown without warning. If the video was as "deeply personal" as he say is it is here (and I agree it is) then why would he shown it to someone without explaining the context and making sure the person understood what they were looking at and were okay with it.

Also, Lively's response after he explained it was his wife is appropriate --

meant to add: it's reasonable after being shown a nude video of a woman you don't know to ask if the woman is aware that video is being shown to people.

It’s a he said/ she said about the context in which the video was shown, but it is indisputable that it is part of her claim for sexual harassment. Maybe he shouldn’t have shown it. But it isn’t sexual harassment.

For people who talked often about porn at work it very well could be. It contributed to an awkward and sexually charged environment when it wasn’t necessary. Blake in particular asked for it to stop.

I disagree, showing a birthing video is not ever pornographic but particularly not in the context of discussing a birthing scene.

What mother of 4 needs to see a birthing video? He tried to mansplain it to her as if there was a right and wrong way.

To be clear, it was not Baldoni who showed her the video, it was Heath. When she questioned if the wife was ok with him showing it, he responded that his wife was not someone who would be bothered by it in a manner that conveyed Blake was weird for even questioning it. Team her side on this particular example.

But again, it is about a pattern, not any particular instance.

This is why I said much earlier in this thread that 30 instances of borderline actions, all taken together, can create a pattern of sexual harassment where one of them alone would not be enough.

Da

I can see this. One or 2 things up can brush off but all together is a problem.

No, a pattern of non-sexual issues does not become sexual harassment. Particularly here where the context is acting.

Non-sexual things (like shoulder rubs, hugs, and comments about weight or looks) can absolutely become part of a pattern of sexual harassment. And Blake Lively cites much more explicit issues and comments, including discussion of porn, unscripted kissing, and showing her films of a nude woman. Of course, the context of a Hollywood set matters, but she's got lots of examples that contribute to a pattern.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:" On the day of shooting the scene in which Ms. Lively's character gives birth, Mr. Baldoni and Mr. Heath suddenly pressured Ms. Lively to simulate full nudity, despite no mention of nudity
for this scene in the script, her contract, or in previous creative discussions. Mr. Baldoni insisted to Ms.
Lively that women give birth naked, and that his wife had “ripped her clothes off” during labor. He
claimed it was “not normal” for women to remain in their hospital gowns while giving birth. Ms. Lively
disagreed, but felt forced into a compromise that she would be naked from below the chest down"

"To add insult to injury, Mr. Heath approached Ms. Lively and her assistant on set and started playing a video of a fully nude woman with her legs spread apart. Ms. Lively thought he was showing her pornography and stopped him. Mr. Heath explained that the video was his wife giving birth. Ms. Lively was alarmed and asked Mr. Heath if his wife knew he was sharing the video, to which he replied "She isn't weird about this stuff,” as if Ms. Lively was weird for not welcoming it. Ms. Lively and her assistant excused themselves, stunned that Mr. Heath had shown them a nude video."

This is all extremely messed up. Why are people defending these two? The mental gymnastics to make this seem ok is exhausting.

Because they are filmmakers making a movie where the pivotal scene is childbirth. It literally gives the name of the movie. It’s completely normal that they would discuss nudity in the CHILDBIRTH scene with the actress knowingly being paid to act out a scene of CHILDBIRTH.

So she shows up to film it and suddenly that day they decide she has to be nude and she pushes back because nude scenes are agreed to before signing on to a film and ahe had not agreed to it. They then mansplain her that this is what most women do which is not factually true and this to a woman who has given birth multiple times. They then degrade her for asking about permission to show the wife nude to imply she is difficult about being nude in this instance.

Total male chauvinism.

Perfectly put.

I have a hard time believing any woman who has been through childbirth would read those three paragraphs from Lively's complaint and not conclude she has a case. I honestly would be surprised if the wife of the producer whose birth video was apparently passed around set for viewing wasn't pissed about how that video was used by her husband and his partners to shame and humiliate an actress filming a birth scene, who had had given birth to her fourth baby just a few months prior.

I think Baldoni is toast. Reading that is radicalizing.

I have given birth twice and don’t have an issue with it. They asked her to do it, she said no, they asked again and she didn’t do it. They sounds like a creative disagreement that she won, not harassment.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:the porn complaints were different than the birthing videos at least according to the NYTimes

From Blake’s complaint, : “To add insult to injury, Mr. Heath approached Ms. Lively and her assistant on set and started playing a video of a fully nude woman with her legs spread apart. Ms. Lively thought he was showing her pornography and stopped him. Mr. Heath explained that the video was his wife giving birth.”

and “Ms. Lively was alarmed and asked Mr. Heath if his wife knew he was sharing the video, to which he replied ‘She isn’t weird about this stuff,’ as if Ms. Lively was weird for not welcoming it. Ms. Lively and her assistant excused themselves, stunned that Mr. Heath had shown them a nude video.”

And his response.

The Times compounded its journalistic failures by uncritically advancing Lively’s unsubstantiated claims of sexual harassment against Heath and Baldoni. For example, the Article, based on Lively’s [complaint], sensationally alleges that ‘Mr. Heath had shown [Lively] a video of his naked wife,’ with Lively’s [complaint] even labeling the footage as pornography.’ This claim is patently absurd. The video in question was a (non-pornographic) recording of Heath’s wife and baby during a home birth—a deeply personal one with no sexual overtone.”

“The video was shown to Lively as part of a creative discussion in preparation for a birthing scene in the Film. Heath informed Lively that his wife condoned his displaying the video. Any suggestion that Heath engaged in the exhibition of pornography or inappropriate content is false.”

Based on this back and forth, I side with Lively.

Her complaint doesn't call the video porn, it says that when she was presented with a video of a nude woman with her legs spread, she thought she was being shown porn. That's a reasonable supposition and is precisely why you shouldn't show someone a video like that without asking them first. She never said he showed pornography and her complaint doesn't refer to the video that way. But it does demonstrate that Baldoni violated personal boundaries in a variety of ways. His response actually compounds this impression -- he continues to maintain there is nothing inappropriate about showing Lively or others on set his wife's birth video, and seems unconcerned with the fact that this was shown without warning. If the video was as "deeply personal" as he say is it is here (and I agree it is) then why would he shown it to someone without explaining the context and making sure the person understood what they were looking at and were okay with it.

Also, Lively's response after he explained it was his wife is appropriate --

meant to add: it's reasonable after being shown a nude video of a woman you don't know to ask if the woman is aware that video is being shown to people.

It’s a he said/ she said about the context in which the video was shown, but it is indisputable that it is part of her claim for sexual harassment. Maybe he shouldn’t have shown it. But it isn’t sexual harassment.

For people who talked often about porn at work it very well could be. It contributed to an awkward and sexually charged environment when it wasn’t necessary. Blake in particular asked for it to stop.

I disagree, showing a birthing video is not ever pornographic but particularly not in the context of discussing a birthing scene.

What mother of 4 needs to see a birthing video? He tried to mansplain it to her as if there was a right and wrong way.

To be clear, it was not Baldoni who showed her the video, it was Heath. When she questioned if the wife was ok with him showing it, he responded that his wife was not someone who would be bothered by it in a manner that conveyed Blake was weird for even questioning it. Team her side on this particular example.

But again, it is about a pattern, not any particular instance.

This is why I said much earlier in this thread that 30 instances of borderline actions, all taken together, can create a pattern of sexual harassment where one of them alone would not be enough.

Da

I can see this. One or 2 things up can brush off but all together is a problem.

No, a pattern of non-sexual issues does not become sexual harassment. Particularly here where the context is acting.

Non-sexual things (like shoulder rubs, hugs, and comments about weight or looks) can absolutely become part of a pattern of sexual harassment. And Blake Lively cites much more explicit issues and comments, including discussion of porn, unscripted kissing, and showing her films of a nude woman. Of course, the context of a Hollywood set matters, but she's got lots of examples that contribute to a pattern.

Films of a nude woman giving birth in the context of a discussion about a birth scene. That isn’t sexual.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:" On the day of shooting the scene in which Ms. Lively's character gives birth, Mr. Baldoni and Mr. Heath suddenly pressured Ms. Lively to simulate full nudity, despite no mention of nudity
for this scene in the script, her contract, or in previous creative discussions. Mr. Baldoni insisted to Ms.
Lively that women give birth naked, and that his wife had “ripped her clothes off” during labor. He
claimed it was “not normal” for women to remain in their hospital gowns while giving birth. Ms. Lively
disagreed, but felt forced into a compromise that she would be naked from below the chest down"

"To add insult to injury, Mr. Heath approached Ms. Lively and her assistant on set and started playing a video of a fully nude woman with her legs spread apart. Ms. Lively thought he was showing her pornography and stopped him. Mr. Heath explained that the video was his wife giving birth. Ms. Lively was alarmed and asked Mr. Heath if his wife knew he was sharing the video, to which he replied "She isn't weird about this stuff,” as if Ms. Lively was weird for not welcoming it. Ms. Lively and her assistant excused themselves, stunned that Mr. Heath had shown them a nude video."

Yeah … if this is the worst they can do about Baldoni, it is very, very weak. Maybe there should have been a nudity rider for the birth scene, but Lively claiming it is shocking and abusive that a childbirth scene could possibly involve nudity is just dumb. If she didn’t speak for herself that is her problem, not sexual harassment.

So your impression was that was the entirety of her complaint?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“Simulate full nudity” does not mean the actress is naked.

It's very close to it. Here is the footnote from the complaint that explains what kind of coverage is used to simulate nudity in a scene like this:

"8 Generally, nudity below the waist in film utilizes a small piece of nude fabric glued around the female actor’s genitalia to provide some minimal privacy without disturbing the shot (because that fabric is not able to have visible straps from profile camera angles)."

So unless you walk around with small pieces of nude fabric glued to your genitalia and nothing else and consider that "clothed" this is naked.

The use of the word “generally” here means that it wasn’t what she was asked to do.