Why is Blake Lively so overrated?

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Anonymous wrote:the porn complaints were different than the birthing videos at least according to the NYTimes

From Blake’s complaint, : “To add insult to injury, Mr. Heath approached Ms. Lively and her assistant on set and started playing a video of a fully nude woman with her legs spread apart. Ms. Lively thought he was showing her pornography and stopped him. Mr. Heath explained that the video was his wife giving birth.”

and “Ms. Lively was alarmed and asked Mr. Heath if his wife knew he was sharing the video, to which he replied ‘She isn’t weird about this stuff,’ as if Ms. Lively was weird for not welcoming it. Ms. Lively and her assistant excused themselves, stunned that Mr. Heath had shown them a nude video.”

And his response.

The Times compounded its journalistic failures by uncritically advancing Lively’s unsubstantiated claims of sexual harassment against Heath and Baldoni. For example, the Article, based on Lively’s [complaint], sensationally alleges that ‘Mr. Heath had shown [Lively] a video of his naked wife,’ with Lively’s [complaint] even labeling the footage as pornography.’ This claim is patently absurd. The video in question was a (non-pornographic) recording of Heath’s wife and baby during a home birth—a deeply personal one with no sexual overtone.”

“The video was shown to Lively as part of a creative discussion in preparation for a birthing scene in the Film. Heath informed Lively that his wife condoned his displaying the video. Any suggestion that Heath engaged in the exhibition of pornography or inappropriate content is false.”

Based on this back and forth, I side with Lively.

Her complaint doesn't call the video porn, it says that when she was presented with a video of a nude woman with her legs spread, she thought she was being shown porn. That's a reasonable supposition and is precisely why you shouldn't show someone a video like that without asking them first. She never said he showed pornography and her complaint doesn't refer to the video that way. But it does demonstrate that Baldoni violated personal boundaries in a variety of ways. His response actually compounds this impression -- he continues to maintain there is nothing inappropriate about showing Lively or others on set his wife's birth video, and seems unconcerned with the fact that this was shown without warning. If the video was as "deeply personal" as he say is it is here (and I agree it is) then why would he shown it to someone without explaining the context and making sure the person understood what they were looking at and were okay with it.

Also, Lively's response after he explained it was his wife is appropriate --

meant to add: it's reasonable after being shown a nude video of a woman you don't know to ask if the woman is aware that video is being shown to people.

It’s a he said/ she said about the context in which the video was shown, but it is indisputable that it is part of her claim for sexual harassment. Maybe he shouldn’t have shown it. But it isn’t sexual harassment.

For people who talked often about porn at work it very well could be. It contributed to an awkward and sexually charged environment when it wasn’t necessary. Blake in particular asked for it to stop.

I disagree, showing a birthing video is not ever pornographic but particularly not in the context of discussing a birthing scene.

What mother of 4 needs to see a birthing video? He tried to mansplain it to her as if there was a right and wrong way.

It’s like saying you don’t need to see a video of a choreographed fight the way the director wants it on screen because you are a martial arts expert. The vision and portrayal on film are specific, so showing a fight scene would not be insulting or deny the persons expertise.

But it is not common for women to birth topless, I can understand her pushing back. Furthermore, it seems it was shown as evidence that because his wife did topless, all/most women do, not because he (Heath) was showing her how he wanted her to act. He then responded dismissively to her questioning the consent of the women
in the video which is an absolutely appropriate question to ask.

There is nothing in the complaint about Blake being asked to do the scene topless. I don’t think she would have omitted that.

It wasn't just topless, it was that he was trying to prove the point that women birth nude, b/c his wife did. I guess in his experience of 1 that made him feel like an expert. Only a man would try to convince a mother of 4 what was normal in birthing. I birthed 3, in a hospital gown each time, so I can concur that nude births are hardly what 'every' woman does.

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Anonymous wrote:the porn complaints were different than the birthing videos at least according to the NYTimes

From Blake’s complaint, : “To add insult to injury, Mr. Heath approached Ms. Lively and her assistant on set and started playing a video of a fully nude woman with her legs spread apart. Ms. Lively thought he was showing her pornography and stopped him. Mr. Heath explained that the video was his wife giving birth.”

and “Ms. Lively was alarmed and asked Mr. Heath if his wife knew he was sharing the video, to which he replied ‘She isn’t weird about this stuff,’ as if Ms. Lively was weird for not welcoming it. Ms. Lively and her assistant excused themselves, stunned that Mr. Heath had shown them a nude video.”

And his response.

The Times compounded its journalistic failures by uncritically advancing Lively’s unsubstantiated claims of sexual harassment against Heath and Baldoni. For example, the Article, based on Lively’s [complaint], sensationally alleges that ‘Mr. Heath had shown [Lively] a video of his naked wife,’ with Lively’s [complaint] even labeling the footage as pornography.’ This claim is patently absurd. The video in question was a (non-pornographic) recording of Heath’s wife and baby during a home birth—a deeply personal one with no sexual overtone.”

“The video was shown to Lively as part of a creative discussion in preparation for a birthing scene in the Film. Heath informed Lively that his wife condoned his displaying the video. Any suggestion that Heath engaged in the exhibition of pornography or inappropriate content is false.”

Based on this back and forth, I side with Lively.

Her complaint doesn't call the video porn, it says that when she was presented with a video of a nude woman with her legs spread, she thought she was being shown porn. That's a reasonable supposition and is precisely why you shouldn't show someone a video like that without asking them first. She never said he showed pornography and her complaint doesn't refer to the video that way. But it does demonstrate that Baldoni violated personal boundaries in a variety of ways. His response actually compounds this impression -- he continues to maintain there is nothing inappropriate about showing Lively or others on set his wife's birth video, and seems unconcerned with the fact that this was shown without warning. If the video was as "deeply personal" as he say is it is here (and I agree it is) then why would he shown it to someone without explaining the context and making sure the person understood what they were looking at and were okay with it.

Also, Lively's response after he explained it was his wife is appropriate --

meant to add: it's reasonable after being shown a nude video of a woman you don't know to ask if the woman is aware that video is being shown to people.

It’s a he said/ she said about the context in which the video was shown, but it is indisputable that it is part of her claim for sexual harassment. Maybe he shouldn’t have shown it. But it isn’t sexual harassment.

For people who talked often about porn at work it very well could be. It contributed to an awkward and sexually charged environment when it wasn’t necessary. Blake in particular asked for it to stop.

I disagree, showing a birthing video is not ever pornographic but particularly not in the context of discussing a birthing scene.

You really shouldn't use words like "ever" when you're making shit up as you go.

Are you the person taking credit for not name calling?

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Anonymous wrote:the porn complaints were different than the birthing videos at least according to the NYTimes

From Blake’s complaint, : “To add insult to injury, Mr. Heath approached Ms. Lively and her assistant on set and started playing a video of a fully nude woman with her legs spread apart. Ms. Lively thought he was showing her pornography and stopped him. Mr. Heath explained that the video was his wife giving birth.”

and “Ms. Lively was alarmed and asked Mr. Heath if his wife knew he was sharing the video, to which he replied ‘She isn’t weird about this stuff,’ as if Ms. Lively was weird for not welcoming it. Ms. Lively and her assistant excused themselves, stunned that Mr. Heath had shown them a nude video.”

And his response.

The Times compounded its journalistic failures by uncritically advancing Lively’s unsubstantiated claims of sexual harassment against Heath and Baldoni. For example, the Article, based on Lively’s [complaint], sensationally alleges that ‘Mr. Heath had shown [Lively] a video of his naked wife,’ with Lively’s [complaint] even labeling the footage as pornography.’ This claim is patently absurd. The video in question was a (non-pornographic) recording of Heath’s wife and baby during a home birth—a deeply personal one with no sexual overtone.”

“The video was shown to Lively as part of a creative discussion in preparation for a birthing scene in the Film. Heath informed Lively that his wife condoned his displaying the video. Any suggestion that Heath engaged in the exhibition of pornography or inappropriate content is false.”

Based on this back and forth, I side with Lively.

Her complaint doesn't call the video porn, it says that when she was presented with a video of a nude woman with her legs spread, she thought she was being shown porn. That's a reasonable supposition and is precisely why you shouldn't show someone a video like that without asking them first. She never said he showed pornography and her complaint doesn't refer to the video that way. But it does demonstrate that Baldoni violated personal boundaries in a variety of ways. His response actually compounds this impression -- he continues to maintain there is nothing inappropriate about showing Lively or others on set his wife's birth video, and seems unconcerned with the fact that this was shown without warning. If the video was as "deeply personal" as he say is it is here (and I agree it is) then why would he shown it to someone without explaining the context and making sure the person understood what they were looking at and were okay with it.

Also, Lively's response after he explained it was his wife is appropriate --

meant to add: it's reasonable after being shown a nude video of a woman you don't know to ask if the woman is aware that video is being shown to people.

It’s a he said/ she said about the context in which the video was shown, but it is indisputable that it is part of her claim for sexual harassment. Maybe he shouldn’t have shown it. But it isn’t sexual harassment.

For people who talked often about porn at work it very well could be. It contributed to an awkward and sexually charged environment when it wasn’t necessary. Blake in particular asked for it to stop.

I disagree, showing a birthing video is not ever pornographic but particularly not in the context of discussing a birthing scene.

What mother of 4 needs to see a birthing video? He tried to mansplain it to her as if there was a right and wrong way.

It’s like saying you don’t need to see a video of a choreographed fight the way the director wants it on screen because you are a martial arts expert. The vision and portrayal on film are specific, so showing a fight scene would not be insulting or deny the persons expertise.

But it is not common for women to birth topless, I can understand her pushing back. Furthermore, it seems it was shown as evidence that because his wife did topless, all/most women do, not because he (Heath) was showing her how he wanted her to act. He then responded dismissively to her questioning the consent of the women
in the video which is an absolutely appropriate question to ask.

There is nothing in the complaint about Blake being asked to do the scene topless. I don’t think she would have omitted that.

It wasn't just topless, it was that he was trying to prove the point that women birth nude, b/c his wife did. I guess in his experience of 1 that made him feel like an expert. Only a man would try to convince a mother of 4 what was normal in birthing. I birthed 3, in a hospital gown each time, so I can concur that nude births are hardly what 'every' woman does.

Please cite to the paragraphs in the complaint discussing this dispute about whether Blake should be naked in the birth scene.

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Anonymous wrote:the porn complaints were different than the birthing videos at least according to the NYTimes

From Blake’s complaint, : “To add insult to injury, Mr. Heath approached Ms. Lively and her assistant on set and started playing a video of a fully nude woman with her legs spread apart. Ms. Lively thought he was showing her pornography and stopped him. Mr. Heath explained that the video was his wife giving birth.”

and “Ms. Lively was alarmed and asked Mr. Heath if his wife knew he was sharing the video, to which he replied ‘She isn’t weird about this stuff,’ as if Ms. Lively was weird for not welcoming it. Ms. Lively and her assistant excused themselves, stunned that Mr. Heath had shown them a nude video.”

And his response.

The Times compounded its journalistic failures by uncritically advancing Lively’s unsubstantiated claims of sexual harassment against Heath and Baldoni. For example, the Article, based on Lively’s [complaint], sensationally alleges that ‘Mr. Heath had shown [Lively] a video of his naked wife,’ with Lively’s [complaint] even labeling the footage as pornography.’ This claim is patently absurd. The video in question was a (non-pornographic) recording of Heath’s wife and baby during a home birth—a deeply personal one with no sexual overtone.”

“The video was shown to Lively as part of a creative discussion in preparation for a birthing scene in the Film. Heath informed Lively that his wife condoned his displaying the video. Any suggestion that Heath engaged in the exhibition of pornography or inappropriate content is false.”

Based on this back and forth, I side with Lively.

Her complaint doesn't call the video porn, it says that when she was presented with a video of a nude woman with her legs spread, she thought she was being shown porn. That's a reasonable supposition and is precisely why you shouldn't show someone a video like that without asking them first. She never said he showed pornography and her complaint doesn't refer to the video that way. But it does demonstrate that Baldoni violated personal boundaries in a variety of ways. His response actually compounds this impression -- he continues to maintain there is nothing inappropriate about showing Lively or others on set his wife's birth video, and seems unconcerned with the fact that this was shown without warning. If the video was as "deeply personal" as he say is it is here (and I agree it is) then why would he shown it to someone without explaining the context and making sure the person understood what they were looking at and were okay with it.

Also, Lively's response after he explained it was his wife is appropriate --

meant to add: it's reasonable after being shown a nude video of a woman you don't know to ask if the woman is aware that video is being shown to people.

It’s a he said/ she said about the context in which the video was shown, but it is indisputable that it is part of her claim for sexual harassment. Maybe he shouldn’t have shown it. But it isn’t sexual harassment.

For people who talked often about porn at work it very well could be. It contributed to an awkward and sexually charged environment when it wasn’t necessary. Blake in particular asked for it to stop.

I disagree, showing a birthing video is not ever pornographic but particularly not in the context of discussing a birthing scene.

You really shouldn't use words like "ever" when you're making shit up as you go.

Are you the person taking credit for not name calling?

Have you been called a name?

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Anonymous wrote:the porn complaints were different than the birthing videos at least according to the NYTimes

From Blake’s complaint, : “To add insult to injury, Mr. Heath approached Ms. Lively and her assistant on set and started playing a video of a fully nude woman with her legs spread apart. Ms. Lively thought he was showing her pornography and stopped him. Mr. Heath explained that the video was his wife giving birth.”

and “Ms. Lively was alarmed and asked Mr. Heath if his wife knew he was sharing the video, to which he replied ‘She isn’t weird about this stuff,’ as if Ms. Lively was weird for not welcoming it. Ms. Lively and her assistant excused themselves, stunned that Mr. Heath had shown them a nude video.”

And his response.

The Times compounded its journalistic failures by uncritically advancing Lively’s unsubstantiated claims of sexual harassment against Heath and Baldoni. For example, the Article, based on Lively’s [complaint], sensationally alleges that ‘Mr. Heath had shown [Lively] a video of his naked wife,’ with Lively’s [complaint] even labeling the footage as pornography.’ This claim is patently absurd. The video in question was a (non-pornographic) recording of Heath’s wife and baby during a home birth—a deeply personal one with no sexual overtone.”

“The video was shown to Lively as part of a creative discussion in preparation for a birthing scene in the Film. Heath informed Lively that his wife condoned his displaying the video. Any suggestion that Heath engaged in the exhibition of pornography or inappropriate content is false.”

Based on this back and forth, I side with Lively.

Her complaint doesn't call the video porn, it says that when she was presented with a video of a nude woman with her legs spread, she thought she was being shown porn. That's a reasonable supposition and is precisely why you shouldn't show someone a video like that without asking them first. She never said he showed pornography and her complaint doesn't refer to the video that way. But it does demonstrate that Baldoni violated personal boundaries in a variety of ways. His response actually compounds this impression -- he continues to maintain there is nothing inappropriate about showing Lively or others on set his wife's birth video, and seems unconcerned with the fact that this was shown without warning. If the video was as "deeply personal" as he say is it is here (and I agree it is) then why would he shown it to someone without explaining the context and making sure the person understood what they were looking at and were okay with it.

Also, Lively's response after he explained it was his wife is appropriate --

meant to add: it's reasonable after being shown a nude video of a woman you don't know to ask if the woman is aware that video is being shown to people.

It’s a he said/ she said about the context in which the video was shown, but it is indisputable that it is part of her claim for sexual harassment. Maybe he shouldn’t have shown it. But it isn’t sexual harassment.

For people who talked often about porn at work it very well could be. It contributed to an awkward and sexually charged environment when it wasn’t necessary. Blake in particular asked for it to stop.

I disagree, showing a birthing video is not ever pornographic but particularly not in the context of discussing a birthing scene.

What mother of 4 needs to see a birthing video? He tried to mansplain it to her as if there was a right and wrong way.

To be clear, it was not Baldoni who showed her the video, it was Heath. When she questioned if the wife was ok with him showing it, he responded that his wife was not someone who would be bothered by it in a manner that conveyed Blake was weird for even questioning it. Team her side on this particular example.

But again, it is about a pattern, not any particular instance.

This is why I said much earlier in this thread that 30 instances of borderline actions, all taken together, can create a pattern of sexual harassment where one of them alone would not be enough.

Da

I can see this. One or 2 things up can brush off but all together is a problem.

You aren’t a lawyer.

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Anonymous wrote:the porn complaints were different than the birthing videos at least according to the NYTimes

From Blake’s complaint, : “To add insult to injury, Mr. Heath approached Ms. Lively and her assistant on set and started playing a video of a fully nude woman with her legs spread apart. Ms. Lively thought he was showing her pornography and stopped him. Mr. Heath explained that the video was his wife giving birth.”

and “Ms. Lively was alarmed and asked Mr. Heath if his wife knew he was sharing the video, to which he replied ‘She isn’t weird about this stuff,’ as if Ms. Lively was weird for not welcoming it. Ms. Lively and her assistant excused themselves, stunned that Mr. Heath had shown them a nude video.”

And his response.

The Times compounded its journalistic failures by uncritically advancing Lively’s unsubstantiated claims of sexual harassment against Heath and Baldoni. For example, the Article, based on Lively’s [complaint], sensationally alleges that ‘Mr. Heath had shown [Lively] a video of his naked wife,’ with Lively’s [complaint] even labeling the footage as pornography.’ This claim is patently absurd. The video in question was a (non-pornographic) recording of Heath’s wife and baby during a home birth—a deeply personal one with no sexual overtone.”

“The video was shown to Lively as part of a creative discussion in preparation for a birthing scene in the Film. Heath informed Lively that his wife condoned his displaying the video. Any suggestion that Heath engaged in the exhibition of pornography or inappropriate content is false.”

Based on this back and forth, I side with Lively.

Her complaint doesn't call the video porn, it says that when she was presented with a video of a nude woman with her legs spread, she thought she was being shown porn. That's a reasonable supposition and is precisely why you shouldn't show someone a video like that without asking them first. She never said he showed pornography and her complaint doesn't refer to the video that way. But it does demonstrate that Baldoni violated personal boundaries in a variety of ways. His response actually compounds this impression -- he continues to maintain there is nothing inappropriate about showing Lively or others on set his wife's birth video, and seems unconcerned with the fact that this was shown without warning. If the video was as "deeply personal" as he say is it is here (and I agree it is) then why would he shown it to someone without explaining the context and making sure the person understood what they were looking at and were okay with it.

Also, Lively's response after he explained it was his wife is appropriate --

meant to add: it's reasonable after being shown a nude video of a woman you don't know to ask if the woman is aware that video is being shown to people.

It’s a he said/ she said about the context in which the video was shown, but it is indisputable that it is part of her claim for sexual harassment. Maybe he shouldn’t have shown it. But it isn’t sexual harassment.

For people who talked often about porn at work it very well could be. It contributed to an awkward and sexually charged environment when it wasn’t necessary. Blake in particular asked for it to stop.

I disagree, showing a birthing video is not ever pornographic but particularly not in the context of discussing a birthing scene.

You really shouldn't use words like "ever" when you're making shit up as you go.

Are you the person taking credit for not name calling?

Have you been called a name?

Well, it’s semantics, you are exceedingly rude on the regular.

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Anonymous wrote:the porn complaints were different than the birthing videos at least according to the NYTimes

From Blake’s complaint, : “To add insult to injury, Mr. Heath approached Ms. Lively and her assistant on set and started playing a video of a fully nude woman with her legs spread apart. Ms. Lively thought he was showing her pornography and stopped him. Mr. Heath explained that the video was his wife giving birth.”

and “Ms. Lively was alarmed and asked Mr. Heath if his wife knew he was sharing the video, to which he replied ‘She isn’t weird about this stuff,’ as if Ms. Lively was weird for not welcoming it. Ms. Lively and her assistant excused themselves, stunned that Mr. Heath had shown them a nude video.”

And his response.

The Times compounded its journalistic failures by uncritically advancing Lively’s unsubstantiated claims of sexual harassment against Heath and Baldoni. For example, the Article, based on Lively’s [complaint], sensationally alleges that ‘Mr. Heath had shown [Lively] a video of his naked wife,’ with Lively’s [complaint] even labeling the footage as pornography.’ This claim is patently absurd. The video in question was a (non-pornographic) recording of Heath’s wife and baby during a home birth—a deeply personal one with no sexual overtone.”

“The video was shown to Lively as part of a creative discussion in preparation for a birthing scene in the Film. Heath informed Lively that his wife condoned his displaying the video. Any suggestion that Heath engaged in the exhibition of pornography or inappropriate content is false.”

Based on this back and forth, I side with Lively.

Her complaint doesn't call the video porn, it says that when she was presented with a video of a nude woman with her legs spread, she thought she was being shown porn. That's a reasonable supposition and is precisely why you shouldn't show someone a video like that without asking them first. She never said he showed pornography and her complaint doesn't refer to the video that way. But it does demonstrate that Baldoni violated personal boundaries in a variety of ways. His response actually compounds this impression -- he continues to maintain there is nothing inappropriate about showing Lively or others on set his wife's birth video, and seems unconcerned with the fact that this was shown without warning. If the video was as "deeply personal" as he say is it is here (and I agree it is) then why would he shown it to someone without explaining the context and making sure the person understood what they were looking at and were okay with it.

Also, Lively's response after he explained it was his wife is appropriate --

meant to add: it's reasonable after being shown a nude video of a woman you don't know to ask if the woman is aware that video is being shown to people.

It’s a he said/ she said about the context in which the video was shown, but it is indisputable that it is part of her claim for sexual harassment. Maybe he shouldn’t have shown it. But it isn’t sexual harassment.

For people who talked often about porn at work it very well could be. It contributed to an awkward and sexually charged environment when it wasn’t necessary. Blake in particular asked for it to stop.

I disagree, showing a birthing video is not ever pornographic but particularly not in the context of discussing a birthing scene.

What mother of 4 needs to see a birthing video? He tried to mansplain it to her as if there was a right and wrong way.

It’s like saying you don’t need to see a video of a choreographed fight the way the director wants it on screen because you are a martial arts expert. The vision and portrayal on film are specific, so showing a fight scene would not be insulting or deny the persons expertise.

But it is not common for women to birth topless, I can understand her pushing back. Furthermore, it seems it was shown as evidence that because his wife did topless, all/most women do, not because he (Heath) was showing her how he wanted her to act. He then responded dismissively to her questioning the consent of the women
in the video which is an absolutely appropriate question to ask.

There is nothing in the complaint about Blake being asked to do the scene topless. I don’t think she would have omitted that.

It wasn't just topless, it was that he was trying to prove the point that women birth nude, b/c his wife did. I guess in his experience of 1 that made him feel like an expert. Only a man would try to convince a mother of 4 what was normal in birthing. I birthed 3, in a hospital gown each time, so I can concur that nude births are hardly what 'every' woman does.

Please cite to the paragraphs in the complaint discussing this dispute about whether Blake should be naked in the birth scene.

Bumping, because I think it’s important.

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" On the day of shooting the scene in which Ms. Lively's character gives birth, Mr. Baldoni and Mr. Heath suddenly pressured Ms. Lively to simulate full nudity, despite no mention of nudity
for this scene in the script, her contract, or in previous creative discussions. Mr. Baldoni insisted to Ms.
Lively that women give birth naked, and that his wife had “ripped her clothes off” during labor. He
claimed it was “not normal” for women to remain in their hospital gowns while giving birth. Ms. Lively
disagreed, but felt forced into a compromise that she would be naked from below the chest down"

"To add insult to injury, Mr. Heath approached Ms. Lively and her assistant on set and started playing a video of a fully nude woman with her legs spread apart. Ms. Lively thought he was showing her pornography and stopped him. Mr. Heath explained that the video was his wife giving birth. Ms. Lively was alarmed and asked Mr. Heath if his wife knew he was sharing the video, to which he replied "She isn't weird about this stuff,” as if Ms. Lively was weird for not welcoming it. Ms. Lively and her assistant excused themselves, stunned that Mr. Heath had shown them a nude video."

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Anonymous wrote:the porn complaints were different than the birthing videos at least according to the NYTimes

From Blake’s complaint, : “To add insult to injury, Mr. Heath approached Ms. Lively and her assistant on set and started playing a video of a fully nude woman with her legs spread apart. Ms. Lively thought he was showing her pornography and stopped him. Mr. Heath explained that the video was his wife giving birth.”

and “Ms. Lively was alarmed and asked Mr. Heath if his wife knew he was sharing the video, to which he replied ‘She isn’t weird about this stuff,’ as if Ms. Lively was weird for not welcoming it. Ms. Lively and her assistant excused themselves, stunned that Mr. Heath had shown them a nude video.”

And his response.

The Times compounded its journalistic failures by uncritically advancing Lively’s unsubstantiated claims of sexual harassment against Heath and Baldoni. For example, the Article, based on Lively’s [complaint], sensationally alleges that ‘Mr. Heath had shown [Lively] a video of his naked wife,’ with Lively’s [complaint] even labeling the footage as pornography.’ This claim is patently absurd. The video in question was a (non-pornographic) recording of Heath’s wife and baby during a home birth—a deeply personal one with no sexual overtone.”

“The video was shown to Lively as part of a creative discussion in preparation for a birthing scene in the Film. Heath informed Lively that his wife condoned his displaying the video. Any suggestion that Heath engaged in the exhibition of pornography or inappropriate content is false.”

Based on this back and forth, I side with Lively.

Her complaint doesn't call the video porn, it says that when she was presented with a video of a nude woman with her legs spread, she thought she was being shown porn. That's a reasonable supposition and is precisely why you shouldn't show someone a video like that without asking them first. She never said he showed pornography and her complaint doesn't refer to the video that way. But it does demonstrate that Baldoni violated personal boundaries in a variety of ways. His response actually compounds this impression -- he continues to maintain there is nothing inappropriate about showing Lively or others on set his wife's birth video, and seems unconcerned with the fact that this was shown without warning. If the video was as "deeply personal" as he say is it is here (and I agree it is) then why would he shown it to someone without explaining the context and making sure the person understood what they were looking at and were okay with it.

Also, Lively's response after he explained it was his wife is appropriate --

meant to add: it's reasonable after being shown a nude video of a woman you don't know to ask if the woman is aware that video is being shown to people.

It’s a he said/ she said about the context in which the video was shown, but it is indisputable that it is part of her claim for sexual harassment. Maybe he shouldn’t have shown it. But it isn’t sexual harassment.

For people who talked often about porn at work it very well could be. It contributed to an awkward and sexually charged environment when it wasn’t necessary. Blake in particular asked for it to stop.

I disagree, showing a birthing video is not ever pornographic but particularly not in the context of discussing a birthing scene.

What mother of 4 needs to see a birthing video? He tried to mansplain it to her as if there was a right and wrong way.

To be clear, it was not Baldoni who showed her the video, it was Heath. When she questioned if the wife was ok with him showing it, he responded that his wife was not someone who would be bothered by it in a manner that conveyed Blake was weird for even questioning it. Team her side on this particular example.

But again, it is about a pattern, not any particular instance.

This is why I said much earlier in this thread that 30 instances of borderline actions, all taken together, can create a pattern of sexual harassment where one of them alone would not be enough.

Da

I can see this. One or 2 things up can brush off but all together is a problem.

No, a pattern of non-sexual issues does not become sexual harassment. Particularly here where the context is acting.

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Anonymous wrote:" On the day of shooting the scene in which Ms. Lively's character gives birth, Mr. Baldoni and Mr. Heath suddenly pressured Ms. Lively to simulate full nudity, despite no mention of nudity
for this scene in the script, her contract, or in previous creative discussions. Mr. Baldoni insisted to Ms.
Lively that women give birth naked, and that his wife had “ripped her clothes off” during labor. He
claimed it was “not normal” for women to remain in their hospital gowns while giving birth. Ms. Lively
disagreed, but felt forced into a compromise that she would be naked from below the chest down"

"To add insult to injury, Mr. Heath approached Ms. Lively and her assistant on set and started playing a video of a fully nude woman with her legs spread apart. Ms. Lively thought he was showing her pornography and stopped him. Mr. Heath explained that the video was his wife giving birth. Ms. Lively was alarmed and asked Mr. Heath if his wife knew he was sharing the video, to which he replied "She isn't weird about this stuff,” as if Ms. Lively was weird for not welcoming it. Ms. Lively and her assistant excused themselves, stunned that Mr. Heath had shown them a nude video."

See thats weird. I can see his POV that it wasn't his intention but it's still inappropriate

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Anonymous wrote:the porn complaints were different than the birthing videos at least according to the NYTimes

From Blake’s complaint, : “To add insult to injury, Mr. Heath approached Ms. Lively and her assistant on set and started playing a video of a fully nude woman with her legs spread apart. Ms. Lively thought he was showing her pornography and stopped him. Mr. Heath explained that the video was his wife giving birth.”

and “Ms. Lively was alarmed and asked Mr. Heath if his wife knew he was sharing the video, to which he replied ‘She isn’t weird about this stuff,’ as if Ms. Lively was weird for not welcoming it. Ms. Lively and her assistant excused themselves, stunned that Mr. Heath had shown them a nude video.”

And his response.

The Times compounded its journalistic failures by uncritically advancing Lively’s unsubstantiated claims of sexual harassment against Heath and Baldoni. For example, the Article, based on Lively’s [complaint], sensationally alleges that ‘Mr. Heath had shown [Lively] a video of his naked wife,’ with Lively’s [complaint] even labeling the footage as pornography.’ This claim is patently absurd. The video in question was a (non-pornographic) recording of Heath’s wife and baby during a home birth—a deeply personal one with no sexual overtone.”

“The video was shown to Lively as part of a creative discussion in preparation for a birthing scene in the Film. Heath informed Lively that his wife condoned his displaying the video. Any suggestion that Heath engaged in the exhibition of pornography or inappropriate content is false.”

Based on this back and forth, I side with Lively.

Her complaint doesn't call the video porn, it says that when she was presented with a video of a nude woman with her legs spread, she thought she was being shown porn. That's a reasonable supposition and is precisely why you shouldn't show someone a video like that without asking them first. She never said he showed pornography and her complaint doesn't refer to the video that way. But it does demonstrate that Baldoni violated personal boundaries in a variety of ways. His response actually compounds this impression -- he continues to maintain there is nothing inappropriate about showing Lively or others on set his wife's birth video, and seems unconcerned with the fact that this was shown without warning. If the video was as "deeply personal" as he say is it is here (and I agree it is) then why would he shown it to someone without explaining the context and making sure the person understood what they were looking at and were okay with it.

Also, Lively's response after he explained it was his wife is appropriate --

meant to add: it's reasonable after being shown a nude video of a woman you don't know to ask if the woman is aware that video is being shown to people.

It’s a he said/ she said about the context in which the video was shown, but it is indisputable that it is part of her claim for sexual harassment. Maybe he shouldn’t have shown it. But it isn’t sexual harassment.

For people who talked often about porn at work it very well could be. It contributed to an awkward and sexually charged environment when it wasn’t necessary. Blake in particular asked for it to stop.

I disagree, showing a birthing video is not ever pornographic but particularly not in the context of discussing a birthing scene.

You really shouldn't use words like "ever" when you're making shit up as you go.

Are you the person taking credit for not name calling?

Have you been called a name?

Well, it’s semantics, you are exceedingly rude on the regular.

Well, ok. You tried!

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Anonymous wrote:the porn complaints were different than the birthing videos at least according to the NYTimes

From Blake’s complaint, : “To add insult to injury, Mr. Heath approached Ms. Lively and her assistant on set and started playing a video of a fully nude woman with her legs spread apart. Ms. Lively thought he was showing her pornography and stopped him. Mr. Heath explained that the video was his wife giving birth.”

and “Ms. Lively was alarmed and asked Mr. Heath if his wife knew he was sharing the video, to which he replied ‘She isn’t weird about this stuff,’ as if Ms. Lively was weird for not welcoming it. Ms. Lively and her assistant excused themselves, stunned that Mr. Heath had shown them a nude video.”

And his response.

The Times compounded its journalistic failures by uncritically advancing Lively’s unsubstantiated claims of sexual harassment against Heath and Baldoni. For example, the Article, based on Lively’s [complaint], sensationally alleges that ‘Mr. Heath had shown [Lively] a video of his naked wife,’ with Lively’s [complaint] even labeling the footage as pornography.’ This claim is patently absurd. The video in question was a (non-pornographic) recording of Heath’s wife and baby during a home birth—a deeply personal one with no sexual overtone.”

“The video was shown to Lively as part of a creative discussion in preparation for a birthing scene in the Film. Heath informed Lively that his wife condoned his displaying the video. Any suggestion that Heath engaged in the exhibition of pornography or inappropriate content is false.”

Based on this back and forth, I side with Lively.

Her complaint doesn't call the video porn, it says that when she was presented with a video of a nude woman with her legs spread, she thought she was being shown porn. That's a reasonable supposition and is precisely why you shouldn't show someone a video like that without asking them first. She never said he showed pornography and her complaint doesn't refer to the video that way. But it does demonstrate that Baldoni violated personal boundaries in a variety of ways. His response actually compounds this impression -- he continues to maintain there is nothing inappropriate about showing Lively or others on set his wife's birth video, and seems unconcerned with the fact that this was shown without warning. If the video was as "deeply personal" as he say is it is here (and I agree it is) then why would he shown it to someone without explaining the context and making sure the person understood what they were looking at and were okay with it.

Also, Lively's response after he explained it was his wife is appropriate --

meant to add: it's reasonable after being shown a nude video of a woman you don't know to ask if the woman is aware that video is being shown to people.

It’s a he said/ she said about the context in which the video was shown, but it is indisputable that it is part of her claim for sexual harassment. Maybe he shouldn’t have shown it. But it isn’t sexual harassment.

For people who talked often about porn at work it very well could be. It contributed to an awkward and sexually charged environment when it wasn’t necessary. Blake in particular asked for it to stop.

I disagree, showing a birthing video is not ever pornographic but particularly not in the context of discussing a birthing scene.

What mother of 4 needs to see a birthing video? He tried to mansplain it to her as if there was a right and wrong way.

It’s like saying you don’t need to see a video of a choreographed fight the way the director wants it on screen because you are a martial arts expert. The vision and portrayal on film are specific, so showing a fight scene would not be insulting or deny the persons expertise.

But it is not common for women to birth topless, I can understand her pushing back. Furthermore, it seems it was shown as evidence that because his wife did topless, all/most women do, not because he (Heath) was showing her how he wanted her to act. He then responded dismissively to her questioning the consent of the women
in the video which is an absolutely appropriate question to ask.

There is nothing in the complaint about Blake being asked to do the scene topless. I don’t think she would have omitted that.

It wasn't just topless, it was that he was trying to prove the point that women birth nude, b/c his wife did. I guess in his experience of 1 that made him feel like an expert. Only a man would try to convince a mother of 4 what was normal in birthing. I birthed 3, in a hospital gown each time, so I can concur that nude births are hardly what 'every' woman does.

Please cite to the paragraphs in the complaint discussing this dispute about whether Blake should be naked in the birth scene.

Bumping, because I think it’s important.

Page 19-21 of the complaint, items 51-53 (emphasis added is mine, to respond directly to the questions in this thread):

"51. On the day of shooting the scene in which Ms. Lively’s character gives birth, Mr. Baldoni and Mr. Heath suddenly pressured Ms. Lively to simulate full nudity, despite no mention of nudity for this scene in the script, her contract, or in previous creative discussions. Mr. Baldoni insisted to Ms. Lively that women give birth naked, and that his wife had “ripped her clothes off” during labor. He claimed it was “not normal” for women to remain in their hospital gowns while giving birth. Ms. Lively disagreed, but felt forced into a compromise that she would be naked from below the chest down.

52. When the birth scene was filmed, the set was chaotic, crowded, and utterly lacking in standard industry protections for filming nude scenes—such as choregraphing the scene with an intimacy coordinator, having a signed nudity rider, or simply turning off the monitors so the scene was not broadcast to all crew on set (and on their personal phones and iPad). Mr. Heath and Mr. Baldoni also failed to close the set, allowing non-essential crew to pass through while Ms. Lively was mostly nude with her legs spread wide in stirrups and only a small piece of fabric covering her genitalia. Among the non-essential persons present that day was Wayfarer co- Chairman Mr. Sarowitz, who flew in for one of his few set visits. Ms. Lively was not provided with anything to cover herself with between takes until after she had made multiple requests. Ms. Lively became even more alarmed when Mr. Baldoni introduced his “best friend” to play the role of the OBGYN, when ordinarily, a small role of this nature would be filled by a local actor. Ms. Lively felt that the selection of Mr. Baldoni’s friend for this intimate role, in which the actor’s face and hands were in close proximity to her nearly nude genitalia for a birth scene, was invasive and humiliating.

53. To add insult to injury, Mr. Heath approached Ms. Lively and her assistant on set and started playing a video of a fully nude woman with her legs spread apart. Ms. Lively thought he was showing her pornography and stopped him. Mr. Heath explained that the video was his wife giving birth. Ms. Lively was alarmed and asked Mr. Heath if his wife knew he was sharing the video, to which he replied “She isn’t weird about this stuff,” as if Ms. Lively was weird for not welcoming it. Ms. Lively and her assistant excused themselves, stunned that Mr. Heath had shown them a nude video."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:" On the day of shooting the scene in which Ms. Lively's character gives birth, Mr. Baldoni and Mr. Heath suddenly pressured Ms. Lively to simulate full nudity, despite no mention of nudity
for this scene in the script, her contract, or in previous creative discussions. Mr. Baldoni insisted to Ms.
Lively that women give birth naked, and that his wife had “ripped her clothes off” during labor. He
claimed it was “not normal” for women to remain in their hospital gowns while giving birth. Ms. Lively
disagreed, but felt forced into a compromise that she would be naked from below the chest down"

"To add insult to injury, Mr. Heath approached Ms. Lively and her assistant on set and started playing a video of a fully nude woman with her legs spread apart. Ms. Lively thought he was showing her pornography and stopped him. Mr. Heath explained that the video was his wife giving birth. Ms. Lively was alarmed and asked Mr. Heath if his wife knew he was sharing the video, to which he replied "She isn't weird about this stuff,” as if Ms. Lively was weird for not welcoming it. Ms. Lively and her assistant excused themselves, stunned that Mr. Heath had shown them a nude video."

This is all extremely messed up. Why are people defending these two? The mental gymnastics to make this seem ok is exhausting.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:" On the day of shooting the scene in which Ms. Lively's character gives birth, Mr. Baldoni and Mr. Heath suddenly pressured Ms. Lively to simulate full nudity, despite no mention of nudity
for this scene in the script, her contract, or in previous creative discussions. Mr. Baldoni insisted to Ms.
Lively that women give birth naked, and that his wife had “ripped her clothes off” during labor. He
claimed it was “not normal” for women to remain in their hospital gowns while giving birth. Ms. Lively
disagreed, but felt forced into a compromise that she would be naked from below the chest down"

"To add insult to injury, Mr. Heath approached Ms. Lively and her assistant on set and started playing a video of a fully nude woman with her legs spread apart. Ms. Lively thought he was showing her pornography and stopped him. Mr. Heath explained that the video was his wife giving birth. Ms. Lively was alarmed and asked Mr. Heath if his wife knew he was sharing the video, to which he replied "She isn't weird about this stuff,” as if Ms. Lively was weird for not welcoming it. Ms. Lively and her assistant excused themselves, stunned that Mr. Heath had shown them a nude video."

Yeah … if this is the worst they can do about Baldoni, it is very, very weak. Maybe there should have been a nudity rider for the birth scene, but Lively claiming it is shocking and abusive that a childbirth scene could possibly involve nudity is just dumb. If she didn’t speak for herself that is her problem, not sexual harassment.

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Anonymous wrote:the porn complaints were different than the birthing videos at least according to the NYTimes

From Blake’s complaint, : “To add insult to injury, Mr. Heath approached Ms. Lively and her assistant on set and started playing a video of a fully nude woman with her legs spread apart. Ms. Lively thought he was showing her pornography and stopped him. Mr. Heath explained that the video was his wife giving birth.”

and “Ms. Lively was alarmed and asked Mr. Heath if his wife knew he was sharing the video, to which he replied ‘She isn’t weird about this stuff,’ as if Ms. Lively was weird for not welcoming it. Ms. Lively and her assistant excused themselves, stunned that Mr. Heath had shown them a nude video.”

And his response.

The Times compounded its journalistic failures by uncritically advancing Lively’s unsubstantiated claims of sexual harassment against Heath and Baldoni. For example, the Article, based on Lively’s [complaint], sensationally alleges that ‘Mr. Heath had shown [Lively] a video of his naked wife,’ with Lively’s [complaint] even labeling the footage as pornography.’ This claim is patently absurd. The video in question was a (non-pornographic) recording of Heath’s wife and baby during a home birth—a deeply personal one with no sexual overtone.”

“The video was shown to Lively as part of a creative discussion in preparation for a birthing scene in the Film. Heath informed Lively that his wife condoned his displaying the video. Any suggestion that Heath engaged in the exhibition of pornography or inappropriate content is false.”

Based on this back and forth, I side with Lively.

Her complaint doesn't call the video porn, it says that when she was presented with a video of a nude woman with her legs spread, she thought she was being shown porn. That's a reasonable supposition and is precisely why you shouldn't show someone a video like that without asking them first. She never said he showed pornography and her complaint doesn't refer to the video that way. But it does demonstrate that Baldoni violated personal boundaries in a variety of ways. His response actually compounds this impression -- he continues to maintain there is nothing inappropriate about showing Lively or others on set his wife's birth video, and seems unconcerned with the fact that this was shown without warning. If the video was as "deeply personal" as he say is it is here (and I agree it is) then why would he shown it to someone without explaining the context and making sure the person understood what they were looking at and were okay with it.

Also, Lively's response after he explained it was his wife is appropriate --

meant to add: it's reasonable after being shown a nude video of a woman you don't know to ask if the woman is aware that video is being shown to people.

It’s a he said/ she said about the context in which the video was shown, but it is indisputable that it is part of her claim for sexual harassment. Maybe he shouldn’t have shown it. But it isn’t sexual harassment.

For people who talked often about porn at work it very well could be. It contributed to an awkward and sexually charged environment when it wasn’t necessary. Blake in particular asked for it to stop.

I disagree, showing a birthing video is not ever pornographic but particularly not in the context of discussing a birthing scene.

What mother of 4 needs to see a birthing video? He tried to mansplain it to her as if there was a right and wrong way.

To be clear, it was not Baldoni who showed her the video, it was Heath. When she questioned if the wife was ok with him showing it, he responded that his wife was not someone who would be bothered by it in a manner that conveyed Blake was weird for even questioning it. Team her side on this particular example.

But again, it is about a pattern, not any particular instance.

This is why I said much earlier in this thread that 30 instances of borderline actions, all taken together, can create a pattern of sexual harassment where one of them alone would not be enough.

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I can see this. One or 2 things up can brush off but all together is a problem.

No, a pattern of non-sexual issues does not become sexual harassment. Particularly here where the context is acting.

Can you provide the source that tells you that when the context is acting anything goes?