Option H is permanent and the old Wootton HS campus will be closed for good?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:For Wootton families with children currently in elementary school, are you not concerned that the building could be in dire condition by the time our kids attend high school?

Why should I be concerned if my kids don’t even get to attend Wootton

I mean. You can be concerned on behalf of others. It’s called empathy. Are you in the Wootton cluster now thinking you’ll be removed?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:For Wootton families with children currently in elementary school, are you not concerned that the building could be in dire condition by the time our kids attend high school?

Yes, very concerned. That's why many people with elementary age kids in the Wootton cluster support H.

I am a parent of a Wootton cluster ES student, a new poster here. I strongly oppose option H. So is everyone else I know in our school. Our PTA wrote a letter to BOE expressing their unified objection. To me, the concern about not being able to attend Wootton, that there may be no Wootton, strongly overweighs any repair issues. This is not a school proximal to WHS.

Outweighs mold and non-working HVAC?! Some broken restrooms? Clearly you haven’t spoken to any current students but boy your elementary school child is really lucky you’re protecting a school name over their health. Wowers.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:For Wootton families with children currently in elementary school, are you not concerned that the building could be in dire condition by the time our kids attend high school?

Why should I be concerned if my kids don’t even get to attend Wootton

I mean. You can be concerned on behalf of others. It’s called empathy. Are you in the Wootton cluster now thinking you’ll be removed?

Do you have any empathy for the schools that don’t have the same offerings or repairs? Do you have empathy for what you are trying to take away from others who may need it more? Do you think about the unintended consequences? Many of our kids go to unsafe facilities. Why are your kids more important than ours?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:For Wootton families with children currently in elementary school, are you not concerned that the building could be in dire condition by the time our kids attend high school?

Yes, very concerned. That's why many people with elementary age kids in the Wootton cluster support H.

I am a parent of a Wootton cluster ES student, a new poster here. I strongly oppose option H. So is everyone else I know in our school. Our PTA wrote a letter to BOE expressing their unified objection. To me, the concern about not being able to attend Wootton, that there may be no Wootton, strongly overweighs any repair issues. This is not a school proximal to WHS.

Outweighs mold and non-working HVAC?! Some broken restrooms? Clearly you haven’t spoken to any current students but boy your elementary school child is really lucky you’re protecting a school name over their health. Wowers.

Many schools have this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:For Wootton families with children currently in elementary school, are you not concerned that the building could be in dire condition by the time our kids attend high school?

Yes, very concerned. That's why many people with elementary age kids in the Wootton cluster support H.

I am a parent of a Wootton cluster ES student, a new poster here. I strongly oppose option H. So is everyone else I know in our school. Our PTA wrote a letter to BOE expressing their unified objection. To me, the concern about not being able to attend Wootton, that there may be no Wootton, strongly overweighs any repair issues. This is not a school proximal to WHS.

Outweighs mold and non-working HVAC?! Some broken restrooms? Clearly you haven’t spoken to any current students but boy your elementary school child is really lucky you’re protecting a school name over their health. Wowers.

Many schools have this.

Both high schools my kids are at have locked bathrooms. I’ve had to go get them in an emergency.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So Wootton campus will be sold to developers? Is that the plan? 1 million dollar townhomes I suppose.

Muldoon Farm for Bethesda soccer I suppose U15-U19….let the good times roll! (Downhill)

For those not in the soccer club: 15/20 years ago Bethesda cut a deal to use Wootton stadium for their practice field and invested 1 million in it to refurbish, given their shortsightedness in never purchasing land for proper facilities in Moco when they could have (1980-85)

For the younger player high paying families crowd they push them to a club connected family farm named Muldoon’s which runs at a slant - really it’s a glorified cow pasture.

Bethesda parents have at the meat in those two statements.

-was once in your shoes…

They can hold onto it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:For Wootton families with children currently in elementary school, are you not concerned that the building could be in dire condition by the time our kids attend high school?

Yes, very concerned. That's why many people with elementary age kids in the Wootton cluster support H.

I am a parent of a Wootton cluster ES student, a new poster here. I strongly oppose option H. So is everyone else I know in our school. Our PTA wrote a letter to BOE expressing their unified objection. To me, the concern about not being able to attend Wootton, that there may be no Wootton, strongly overweighs any repair issues. This is not a school proximal to WHS.

Outweighs mold and non-working HVAC?! Some broken restrooms? Clearly you haven’t spoken to any current students but boy your elementary school child is really lucky you’re protecting a school name over their health. Wowers.

Many schools have this.

Both high schools my kids are at have locked bathrooms. I’ve had to go get them in an emergency.

Sorry I don’t know what that is - like it’s broken? This is all horrible. How are we in Montgomery county and so many schools have mold, broken HVACs and bathrooms?! And to whomever put words in my mouth earlier about not having empathy, you could not have misread me any more than you did. It’s a terrible situation all around and it is pinning families against each other like you just did. I didn’t create the options and I am a good person. Of course I’d want the new building if offered. Wouldn’t you feel the same?!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:For Wootton families with children currently in elementary school, are you not concerned that the building could be in dire condition by the time our kids attend high school?

Yes, very concerned. That's why many people with elementary age kids in the Wootton cluster support H.

I am a parent of a Wootton cluster ES student, a new poster here. I strongly oppose option H. So is everyone else I know in our school. Our PTA wrote a letter to BOE expressing their unified objection. To me, the concern about not being able to attend Wootton, that there may be no Wootton, strongly overweighs any repair issues. This is not a school proximal to WHS.

Outweighs mold and non-working HVAC?! Some broken restrooms? Clearly you haven’t spoken to any current students but boy your elementary school child is really lucky you’re protecting a school name over their health. Wowers.

Many schools have this.

Both high schools my kids are at have locked bathrooms. I’ve had to go get them in an emergency.

Sorry I don’t know what that is - like it’s broken? This is all horrible. How are we in Montgomery county and so many schools have mold, broken HVACs and bathrooms?! And to whomever put words in my mouth earlier about not having empathy, you could not have misread me any more than you did. It’s a terrible situation all around and it is pinning families against each other like you just did. I didn’t create the options and I am a good person. Of course I’d want the new building if offered. Wouldn’t you feel the same?!

Bathrooms are partly broken and partly locked for vaping and safety. The BOE, superintendent, central office and county council mismanaged the money. HVAC issues are normal. We don’t even have enough seats in all classrooms. We’d gladly take the new building. Breathing in black mold is serious.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So Wootton campus will be sold to developers? Is that the plan? 1 million dollar townhomes I suppose.

Muldoon Farm for Bethesda soccer I suppose U15-U19….let the good times roll! (Downhill)

For those not in the soccer club: 15/20 years ago Bethesda cut a deal to use Wootton stadium for their practice field and invested 1 million in it to refurbish, given their shortsightedness in never purchasing land for proper facilities in Moco when they could have (1980-85)

For the younger player high paying families crowd they push them to a club connected family farm named Muldoon’s which runs at a slant - really it’s a glorified cow pasture.

Bethesda parents have at the meat in those two statements.

-was once in your shoes…

They can hold onto it.

You think it’s ok for girls in their periods not to have access to a bathroom?

[Anonymous]

Outweighs mold and non-working HVAC?! Some broken restrooms? Clearly you haven’t spoken to any current students but boy your elementary school child is really lucky you’re protecting a school name over their health. Wowers.

It was discussed extensively on this forum and was mentioned at the PTA meetings I attended that there can be found funds for quick, immediate fixes. That's all I am asking for. I understand that other families may have different priorities.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"If Wootton were just moving buildings, the lawyer PP above would have a point that this isn’t a closure"

Agreed and to continue the baseball analogy, we are moving the Yankees to Pennsylvania, we are combining them with the Phillies, and we are naming the new team the Pennsylvania Crowns. However there is absolutely no evidence that we are closing the Yankees

This is nuts. H is basically the equivalent of moving the Yankees down the street to a new stadium, adding 5 or 6 new players to the 25-man roster over the off-season, keeping the coaching and other managment staff the same, keeping the name the same (it will still be called Wootton, guys, sheesh), etc... this has literally happened, and happens with sports teams all the time, and no one is like "They got rid of the Yankees! They're not really the Yankees anymore because they have a new stadium and some of the players changed!". That would sound idiotic and frankly all the Wootton chicken littles don't sound much better.

Reminder one more time, folks: dealing with boundary changes and school location changes is normal and not a big deal. Yeah, they don't usually happen in the same year, but are you really gonna tell us you'd be fine with option H if Wootton moved in 2027 but the boundaries didn't change until 2029? Nope, because you think you're entitled to your school staying exactly the same AND entitled to the rest of the county paying for expensive repairs to your building. Sorry guys.

Did the Yankees ask for a new stadium built for another new franchise, several miles (driving) away in another borough that is already a highly congested area? Did the fans ask for it to be there?

Are the Yankees being forced to take players from a much lower performing team or teams (or can they choose the players)?

Is the new franchise that was supposed to play there (and their fans) happy that you gave away their new stadium to the Yankees?

There are several professional sports teams that moved facilities, took on a bunch of new players, and have never been the same.

But sure, go ahead and move a championship team (school) because MCPS mismanaged taxpayer money in building Crown and see what happens. A storied franchise will be gone (even if you use the name), less top athletes will want to play for it (a new stadium doesn’t = winning), and fans (families) will abandon the franchise (go private or sell their homes).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Outweighs mold and non-working HVAC?! Some broken restrooms? Clearly you haven’t spoken to any current students but boy your elementary school child is really lucky you’re protecting a school name over their health. Wowers.

It was discussed extensively on this forum and was mentioned at the PTA meetings I attended that there can be found funds for quick, immediate fixes. That's all I am asking for. I understand that other families may have different priorities.

Wootton families not wanting remediation instead of wholesale moving to Crown live nearby and want: (1) increased property values; (2) walk ability instead of bussing. Essentially, they want to take away what other families enjoy today, and couldn’t care less about the impact on those families.

Remediation would not cost anywhere near as much as a renovation, and would need to be done if Wootton were used as a holding school. And yes, there is money for it. MCPS just asked for billions of dollars and can certainly revise priorities slightly - it does this all the time.

Or maybe MCPS needs a forensic audit to find out where all the money is being spent? There is significant fraud, waste, and abuse in any large organization. Heck, my company did a “zero base budget” exercise a few years ago and discovered millions is wasted money in just o e business unit. MCPS doesn’t want to look and just complains it doesn’t have the money.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"If Wootton were just moving buildings, the lawyer PP above would have a point that this isn’t a closure"

Agreed and to continue the baseball analogy, we are moving the Yankees to Pennsylvania, we are combining them with the Phillies, and we are naming the new team the Pennsylvania Crowns. However there is absolutely no evidence that we are closing the Yankees

This is nuts. H is basically the equivalent of moving the Yankees down the street to a new stadium, adding 5 or 6 new players to the 25-man roster over the off-season, keeping the coaching and other managment staff the same, keeping the name the same (it will still be called Wootton, guys, sheesh), etc... this has literally happened, and happens with sports teams all the time, and no one is like "They got rid of the Yankees! They're not really the Yankees anymore because they have a new stadium and some of the players changed!". That would sound idiotic and frankly all the Wootton chicken littles don't sound much better.

Reminder one more time, folks: dealing with boundary changes and school location changes is normal and not a big deal. Yeah, they don't usually happen in the same year, but are you really gonna tell us you'd be fine with option H if Wootton moved in 2027 but the boundaries didn't change until 2029? Nope, because you think you're entitled to your school staying exactly the same AND entitled to the rest of the county paying for expensive repairs to your building. Sorry guys.

Did the Yankees ask for a new stadium built for another new franchise, several miles (driving) away in another borough that is already a highly congested area? Did the fans ask for it to be there?

Are the Yankees being forced to take players from a much lower performing team or teams (or can they choose the players)?

Is the new franchise that was supposed to play there (and their fans) happy that you gave away their new stadium to the Yankees?

There are several professional sports teams that moved facilities, took on a bunch of new players, and have never been the same.

But sure, go ahead and move a championship team (school) because MCPS mismanaged taxpayer money in building Crown and see what happens. A storied franchise will be gone (even if you use the name), less top athletes will want to play for it (a new stadium doesn’t = winning), and fans (families) will abandon the franchise (go private or sell their homes).

Guess what, Wootton- You’re not the Yankees. Get over yourself.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"If Wootton were just moving buildings, the lawyer PP above would have a point that this isn’t a closure"

Agreed and to continue the baseball analogy, we are moving the Yankees to Pennsylvania, we are combining them with the Phillies, and we are naming the new team the Pennsylvania Crowns. However there is absolutely no evidence that we are closing the Yankees

This is nuts. H is basically the equivalent of moving the Yankees down the street to a new stadium, adding 5 or 6 new players to the 25-man roster over the off-season, keeping the coaching and other managment staff the same, keeping the name the same (it will still be called Wootton, guys, sheesh), etc... this has literally happened, and happens with sports teams all the time, and no one is like "They got rid of the Yankees! They're not really the Yankees anymore because they have a new stadium and some of the players changed!". That would sound idiotic and frankly all the Wootton chicken littles don't sound much better.

Reminder one more time, folks: dealing with boundary changes and school location changes is normal and not a big deal. Yeah, they don't usually happen in the same year, but are you really gonna tell us you'd be fine with option H if Wootton moved in 2027 but the boundaries didn't change until 2029? Nope, because you think you're entitled to your school staying exactly the same AND entitled to the rest of the county paying for expensive repairs to your building. Sorry guys.

Did the Yankees ask for a new stadium built for another new franchise, several miles (driving) away in another borough that is already a highly congested area? Did the fans ask for it to be there?

Are the Yankees being forced to take players from a much lower performing team or teams (or can they choose the players)?

Is the new franchise that was supposed to play there (and their fans) happy that you gave away their new stadium to the Yankees?

There are several professional sports teams that moved facilities, took on a bunch of new players, and have never been the same.

But sure, go ahead and move a championship team (school) because MCPS mismanaged taxpayer money in building Crown and see what happens. A storied franchise will be gone (even if you use the name), less top athletes will want to play for it (a new stadium doesn’t = winning), and fans (families) will abandon the franchise (go private or sell their homes).

The MLB analogy has a fatal flaw in that MCPS is not a private for profit enterprise. I absolutely agree that Wootton as we know it will no longer exist. But I don't think that is a reason why MCPS should not do the thing that is the most fiscally responsible and in the long-term best interest of the entire district. Is Option H that? Not sure. But the fact that it would fundamentally alter Wootton is not a reason not to do it.

A better analogy might be a public housing enterprise that operates on a small budget and too much demand spread out unevenly across the area. They may have one historic stand-out complex that has been desirable due to its location and property management. If that building falls into disrepair and has a higher than average vacancy rate for whatever reason, it absolutely makes sense to close that facility and offer housing in a newer modern facility and save money.

[Anonymous]

That 6.6 billions dollar that they ask is for all aging MCPS. First, I doubt how much they could get from the 6.6 billions ask given current economy. Second, I bet they already have agenda how they come up and use that 6.6 billions ask. Third, I read a news that maryland may provide online schooling for families that are concerned about ICE, that reduce physical enrollment in schools.

We are in region 5 not living close to Crown HS, I would be glad that wootton HS do not want to take Crown HS. That gives us one new Crown HS for our poor region 5. If I switch role, I also think that it is stupid for Wootton not taking or not considering option H. I would be beyond happy that wootton not taking Crown.