Hayfield Football Coach Fired

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If the kids really live in the Hayfield district there would be no problem, right? Is the issue that everyone thinks they (the new recruits) gave fake addresses to play for the Hayfield coach? What if they all actually rented apartments in the district to attend Hayfield - would that be okay? In the end, it is just a bunch of kids who want to play football . . . they are going to play somewhere. Not sure adults should be punishing kids by taking away their high school sport (even if parents cheated with fake addresses).

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No. Even if all the kids "really" lived there, if they all moved there this year on purpose to all play football for this particular coach, that's against the VHSL rule.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Regardless of the outcome of all of this, I think we can all agree that it is great that no one on the Hayfield coaching staff tried doing drugs with a minor.

Oh, wait...

I hope they checked that person's devices. That screams pedophile to me.

Stop it

I’m sure you can google sexual misconduct against coaches in Ffx Cty and come up with numerous, I did. So here pot let me introduce you to kettle.

Weed vs sexual misconduct,NOT saying it’s right by ANY means but I’d say major major difference and the common denominator in all those, well I’m sure you can figure it ou.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Let’s be real transparent here, and this is just one case, but a lot of sports from travel baseball, lacrosse, aau basketball and soccer have these same issues, it’s just a matter of what school decides to come forward. EVERY coach has an ego, and no better way to prove your metal than championships,which lead to better opportunities,it’s really rather simple. Football just rules the roost as far as most popular sport.

No other coach schedules like Overton, and when I say that, how many coaches would take a program of 50 kids and schedule a powerhouse program like DeMatha unless you believed in your kids and or system. Not one other above average program in this area would because they don’t want to risk their wins and losses, but they will beat up on local subpar teams and call themselves great.

I’m not saying he’s perfect, but I understand why these other coaches and programs don’t or let’s say would rather not play him/them.

He didn't have a program of 50 random kids at Freedom. If he did, they would have struggled under him the same way they are struggling this year with their ZONED PLAYERS.

Are you sure? Were you there on staff? How are you more sure than I.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wow! The fact that this thread has 153 pages says a lot about our society. It is sad to see so many adults arguing over a sport, and money that will be wasted in litigation. I get that there have been many issues, but sports are optional, and in the end, how many of these kids will go on to play in the NFL? Or maybe it is just me, and I am completely misinformed.
By the way, my daughters are multiple sport athletes as well, so we are 100% supportive of high school athletics, however, academics always come first.

Of course academics should come first, but school is much more than just academics and has been for a while. now. None of it is "optional."

My kid goes to Madison and the admin there has made changes that have made the academics of this school mediocre at best. Athletics is one of the few places left at this school where kids can learn about hard work, excellence, and what it takes to succeed. IMO, FCPS is no longer in the business of trying to provide a great education. Now they are ruining one of the few good things left. If Hayfield is allowed to play, what is stopping any school from recruiting a large number of students next year. When boundaries are changed, what’s stopping any student from doing the same thing as these students and going to whichever school they want.

I’ve seen a shift in public schools becoming more sports oriented, especially as the debate over academic standards, advanced classes, and well intentioned equity measures stymie progress there. At the same time, parents and student athletes are investing more and more money and time into excelling in their sport(s). New sports are in fact being added like Boys Volleyball. And there is a demand for more.

This is why this football debate has become so heated. This is not the prep football culture of 40 or 50 years ago.

[Anonymous]

The coaches noted, “VHSL conducted an independent investigation and found this team to have violated a number of established rules to justify a two-year ban. While we respect the court’s authority and its process for addressing such issues, the decision to allow this team to participate in the playoffs after the governing VHSL body deemed them ineligible, creates a system where rules can be bent, broken, or overlooked without meaningful consequences.”

Apparently they don't. This is all theatre. A judge ruled. FCPS can't do anything about it. Writing to them is futile.

And if they want to forfeit, they should. Get them out of the way and let the powerhouses play. It's too bad because West Springfield and Lake Braddock might have actually beaten Hayfield.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Regardless of the outcome of all of this, I think we can all agree that it is great that no one on the Hayfield coaching staff tried doing drugs with a minor.

Oh, wait...

I hope they checked that person's devices. That screams pedophile to me.

Stop it

I’m sure you can google sexual misconduct against coaches in Ffx Cty and come up with numerous, I did. So here pot let me introduce you to kettle.

Weed vs sexual misconduct,NOT saying it’s right by ANY means but I’d say major major difference and the common denominator in all those, well I’m sure you can figure it ou.

It sure looks like grooming to me. Disgusting on the part of the hayfield coach. And how does the head of security at the school let someone like this get hired? Sounds like an incompetent fool to me.

[Anonymous]

Great (and encouraging) that there are still groups of adults willing to stand up for what’s right (Fairfax City board and these coaches who are doing things the right way and serving as honest role models for our kids).

This is not remotely about football. This is about standing up for having integrity, being honest, being fair and following the rules (no matter what the industry).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wow! The fact that this thread has 153 pages says a lot about our society. It is sad to see so many adults arguing over a sport, and money that will be wasted in litigation. I get that there have been many issues, but sports are optional, and in the end, how many of these kids will go on to play in the NFL? Or maybe it is just me, and I am completely misinformed.
By the way, my daughters are multiple sport athletes as well, so we are 100% supportive of high school athletics, however, academics always come first.

Of course academics should come first, but school is much more than just academics and has been for a while. now. None of it is "optional."

My kid goes to Madison and the admin there has made changes that have made the academics of this school mediocre at best. Athletics is one of the few places left at this school where kids can learn about hard work, excellence, and what it takes to succeed. IMO, FCPS is no longer in the business of trying to provide a great education. Now they are ruining one of the few good things left. If Hayfield is allowed to play, what is stopping any school from recruiting a large number of students next year. When boundaries are changed, what’s stopping any student from doing the same thing as these students and going to whichever school they want.

You say that for a school that everyone knows recruits for baseball, so please stop the pity party show

I missed the investigative news series on Madison baseball recruiting. Could you link to it so I can catch up? Thanks

This is a rumor that has swirled for years. And I've heard others too. Maybe some paper should try and do a big investigative series into potential recruiting violations across many sports and for many schools in northern Virginia. I actually think there would be serious dirt amidst the jealousy about perpetual state champions.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Regardless of the outcome of all of this, I think we can all agree that it is great that no one on the Hayfield coaching staff tried doing drugs with a minor.

Oh, wait...

I hope they checked that person's devices. That screams pedophile to me.

Stop it

I’m sure you can google sexual misconduct against coaches in Ffx Cty and come up with numerous, I did. So here pot let me introduce you to kettle.

Weed vs sexual misconduct,NOT saying it’s right by ANY means but I’d say major major difference and the common denominator in all those, well I’m sure you can figure it ou.

Are you kidding? An adult coach trying to meet up with a child to do drugs? Why is this adult trying to get the child incapacitated?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wow! The fact that this thread has 153 pages says a lot about our society. It is sad to see so many adults arguing over a sport, and money that will be wasted in litigation. I get that there have been many issues, but sports are optional, and in the end, how many of these kids will go on to play in the NFL? Or maybe it is just me, and I am completely misinformed.
By the way, my daughters are multiple sport athletes as well, so we are 100% supportive of high school athletics, however, academics always come first.

Of course academics should come first, but school is much more than just academics and has been for a while. now. None of it is "optional."

My kid goes to Madison and the admin there has made changes that have made the academics of this school mediocre at best. Athletics is one of the few places left at this school where kids can learn about hard work, excellence, and what it takes to succeed. IMO, FCPS is no longer in the business of trying to provide a great education. Now they are ruining one of the few good things left. If Hayfield is allowed to play, what is stopping any school from recruiting a large number of students next year. When boundaries are changed, what’s stopping any student from doing the same thing as these students and going to whichever school they want.

You say that for a school that everyone knows recruits for baseball, so please stop the pity party show

I missed the investigative news series on Madison baseball recruiting. Could you link to it so I can catch up? Thanks

This is a rumor that has swirled for years. And I've heard others too. Maybe some paper should try and do a big investigative series into potential recruiting violations across many sports and for many schools in northern Virginia. I actually think there would be serious dirt amidst the jealousy about perpetual state champions.

Oh. So you don't actually have any proof or facts.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Great (and encouraging) that there are still groups of adults willing to stand up for what’s right (Fairfax City board and these coaches who are doing things the right way and serving as honest role models for our kids).

This is not remotely about football. This is about standing up for having integrity, being honest, being fair and following the rules (no matter what the industry).

Agree and good for those coaches especially for being willing to be public with their names. Openly defying your employer (FCPS-who have been tilting the scale for Hayfield all along) takes guts.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Let’s be real transparent here, and this is just one case, but a lot of sports from travel baseball, lacrosse, aau basketball and soccer have these same issues, it’s just a matter of what school decides to come forward. EVERY coach has an ego, and no better way to prove your metal than championships,which lead to better opportunities,it’s really rather simple. Football just rules the roost as far as most popular sport.

No other coach schedules like Overton, and when I say that, how many coaches would take a program of 50 kids and schedule a powerhouse program like DeMatha unless you believed in your kids and or system. Not one other above average program in this area would because they don’t want to risk their wins and losses, but they will beat up on local subpar teams and call themselves great.

I’m not saying he’s perfect, but I understand why these other coaches and programs don’t or let’s say would rather not play him/them.

He didn't have a program of 50 random kids at Freedom. If he did, they would have struggled under him the same way they are struggling this year with their ZONED PLAYERS.

Are you sure? Were you there on staff? How are you more sure than I.

Really? Every player on the Freedom football team last year LIVED WITHIN the Freedom zoned school boundary and didn't transfer there for its special programs? That IS fascinating.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The coaches noted, “VHSL conducted an independent investigation and found this team to have violated a number of established rules to justify a two-year ban. While we respect the court’s authority and its process for addressing such issues, the decision to allow this team to participate in the playoffs after the governing VHSL body deemed them ineligible, creates a system where rules can be bent, broken, or overlooked without meaningful consequences.”

Apparently they don't. This is all theatre. A judge ruled. FCPS can't do anything about it. Writing to them is futile.

And if they want to forfeit, they should. Get them out of the way and let the powerhouses play. It's too bad because West Springfield and Lake Braddock might have actually beaten Hayfield.

West Springfield got they heads chopped early this year wasn’t close and LB coach will throw up on himself in a game of that magnitude

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The coaches noted, “VHSL conducted an independent investigation and found this team to have violated a number of established rules to justify a two-year ban. While we respect the court’s authority and its process for addressing such issues, the decision to allow this team to participate in the playoffs after the governing VHSL body deemed them ineligible, creates a system where rules can be bent, broken, or overlooked without meaningful consequences.”

Apparently they don't. This is all theatre. A judge ruled. FCPS can't do anything about it. Writing to them is futile.

And if they want to forfeit, they should. Get them out of the way and let the powerhouses play. It's too bad because West Springfield and Lake Braddock might have actually beaten Hayfield.

West Springfield got they heads chopped early this year wasn’t close and LB coach will throw up on himself in a game of that magnitude

Yikes. Your English teachers failed you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Great (and encouraging) that there are still groups of adults willing to stand up for what’s right (Fairfax City board and these coaches who are doing things the right way and serving as honest role models for our kids).

This is not remotely about football. This is about standing up for having integrity, being honest, being fair and following the rules (no matter what the industry).

Why didn't the Mt. Vernon coach sign the letter? All the other coaches did.