ICE Shooting in Minneapolis

[Anonymous]

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It takes less time to jump backwards than it does to unholster a weapon, aim, and shoot -- plus it means you are no longer in the path of what may now be an uncontrolled vehicle.

Shooting doesn't make sense as a defense.

He was panicked and acted within a split second.

That doesn’t mean his behavior was reasonable or justified. Let a jury decide.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
It takes less time to jump backwards than it does to unholster a weapon, aim, and shoot -- plus it means you are no longer in the path of what may now be an uncontrolled vehicle.

Shooting doesn't make sense as a defense.

He was panicked and acted within a split second.

And proceeded to murder her through the driver side window.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
It takes less time to jump backwards than it does to unholster a weapon, aim, and shoot -- plus it means you are no longer in the path of what may now be an uncontrolled vehicle.

Shooting doesn't make sense as a defense.

He was panicked and acted within a split second.

Manslaughter then?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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I'm really impressed about how this panicked ICE officer who was fearing for his life as a vehicle was turning away from him managed to film it, pursue the vehicle, reach in, shoot the woman three times, and then call her a "f--king b---h" on the audio.

He sounds absolutely like a guy that's going to de-escalate a situation.

Someone who uses their car to intentionally block in officers is commiting an incredibly brazen act and very rightfully would be viewed extreme caution. This isn't someone simply holding a sign and chanting. If I saw a protestor blocking in officers I would definitely think it's quite likely that such a person is inclined to act with violence.

Her group does this very intentionally

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think the new video shows that the wife was trying to push all his buttons. She pissed him off enough that he reacted by shooting the victim. I see ZERO evidence that his life was in danger nor evidence that she was "weaponizing her vehicle", in fact it is now clearer that she was leaving the scene.

Just because the wife was mouthing off was NOT a reason to use deadly force.

It isn’t a justification but it shows how stupid and unhinged the people trying to obstruct ICE are.

I don’t think the shooting was justified, but WTF were they trying to accomplish exactly?

Who goes out and tries to antagonize and pick a fight with law enforcement trying to do their job? If I don’t like speeding enforcement should I follow state troopers around screaming at them, holding a cell phone in their face, and blowing whistles next to them all day?

The officers are doing what they are told. They can’t just decide not to do their job because you disagree with it. Of course they should try to stay cool… but they are also human and if you put them under enough pressure long someone will lose their cool.

There is no evidence the she was doing any of that, but generally, that would be an act of civil disobedience. The people assuming some risk to help right a wrong.

It doesn’t mean that you’ll get to murder someone, no matter how broken and pathetic you are.

It's stupid like running into a busy highway and illegal

Wait, are you talking about the cops illegally standing in the roadway now?

Amazing.

Yes, charge them with that too.

What's going to happen is the national guard will be deployed to protect ice from the lunatics it's clear miniapolis police aren't doing their job. I look forward to it.

Not a single ICE officer has been killed by a protester. But a civilian is dead. Tell me who the lunatics are.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
I'm really impressed about how this panicked ICE officer who was fearing for his life as a vehicle was turning away from him managed to film it, pursue the vehicle, reach in, shoot the woman three times, and then call her a "f--king b---h" on the audio.

He sounds absolutely like a guy that's going to de-escalate a situation.

Someone who uses their car to intentionally block in officers is commiting an incredibly brazen act and very rightfully would be viewed extreme caution. This isn't someone simply holding a sign and chanting. If I saw a protestor blocking in officers I would definitely think it's quite likely that such a person is inclined to act with violence.

Her group does this very intentionally

The penalty isn’t death

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
I'm really impressed about how this panicked ICE officer who was fearing for his life as a vehicle was turning away from him managed to film it, pursue the vehicle, reach in, shoot the woman three times, and then call her a "f--king b---h" on the audio.

He sounds absolutely like a guy that's going to de-escalate a situation.

Someone who uses their car to intentionally block in officers is commiting an incredibly brazen act and very rightfully would be viewed extreme caution. This isn't someone simply holding a sign and chanting. If I saw a protestor blocking in officers I would definitely think it's quite likely that such a person is inclined to act with violence.

Her group does this very intentionally

I imagine you're still working yourself up to making a point.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
It takes less time to jump backwards than it does to unholster a weapon, aim, and shoot -- plus it means you are no longer in the path of what may now be an uncontrolled vehicle.

Shooting doesn't make sense as a defense.

He was panicked and acted within a split second.

BBC said:

0.7 seconds

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
It takes less time to jump backwards than it does to unholster a weapon, aim, and shoot -- plus it means you are no longer in the path of what may now be an uncontrolled vehicle.

Shooting doesn't make sense as a defense.

Not a gun person, but doesn’t releasing the safety take time? And can that be done one handed?

It probably wasn't a model with a manual safety. Most likely a Glock or a Sig P320. But yes if it did have a safety, like an Sig P226, you can flip it down one handed. He could have done that as he brought it up to aim at her.

[Anonymous]

Are you allowed to control the movement and actions of LEOs using your vehicle?

[Anonymous]

After watching the first video, I was open to the possibility that this was self defense (and posted so earlier in this thread). But now after watching the second video, with the extra context and the words exchanged, I don’t see how this is anything but murder. There’s just no way a reasonable person would “fear for their life” after stepping directly in front of the car, right? Am I crazy here?!

Both the women and the agents escalated the situation but the women brought verbal insults and an annoying presence while the guy brought a loaded gun and a broken brain.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The way people view this incident seems to be entirely colored by their preexisting views of ICE.

I supported ICE prior to this and I view the death as unfortunate by justified. The posters claiming we should fear ICE because of this incident are spreading misinformation. I would never be killed by ICE, because I would never attempt to interfere with their operations like this woman did.

ICE agents are law enforcement officers, not nazis or some kind of gestapo as some on this thread have called them. Every other country and party in the world enforces its immigration laws. Democrats seem to be the only party/people in the world who believe that immigration enforcement is illegitimate.

They are not law enforcement officers. They are not enforcing law. They round up brown people and detain them.

No, they see law enforcement officers who enforce federal immigration laws. Contrary to your beliefs, people are not allowed to illegally move to another country. I voted for Trump to have our immigration laws enforced after four years of disastrous Biden policies.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Are you allowed to control the movement and actions of LEOs using your vehicle?

Are LEOs allowed to execute you if you do? No.

[Anonymous]

I think this would be going better for the admin if ICE wasn’t regularly doing terrible stuff. Nationally they aren’t respected anymore.

[Anonymous]

His ego was bruised after the comments, so he murdered someone.