Those of you with kids in both AAP and gen ed...

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Anonymous wrote:You have parents fretting about their first graders to make sure they get into AAP. https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/974827.page
I would have seriously considered non FCPS schools if I knew about this whole process.

It's a big school district. It's literally huge. Most parents aren't worrying about AAP in 1st grade. Keep some perspective.

Most parents are not worried about AAP at all.

This. If it’s a big thing at our school, I’m oblivious.

TBH-Reading DCUM would make one believe otherwise.

DCUM is not representative of the people who live in Fairfax County, at all. There are three distinct groups who are concerned with AAP: the people who will not accept "average" for their slightly above average kids and live in higher income areas, the people who live in lower income areas and don't want their kids taught to the "average" in the gen ed class at their base schools, and the people whose kids are 2E and want to make sure they get all the services they're entitled to.

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Anonymous wrote:You have parents fretting about their first graders to make sure they get into AAP. https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/974827.page
I would have seriously considered non FCPS schools if I knew about this whole process.

Absolutely this ^^^. Wish I had known how absurd the whole thing is.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:You have parents fretting about their first graders to make sure they get into AAP. https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/974827.page
I would have seriously considered non FCPS schools if I knew about this whole process.

It's a big school district. It's literally huge. Most parents aren't worrying about AAP in 1st grade. Keep some perspective.

Most parents are not worried about AAP at all.

The parents whose kids attend a center school from K on up are. It’s all anyone talks about.

[Anonymous]

Because it divides the kids. It divides them socially. It divides them academically. It affect their friendships, and how they view themselves academically. In most cases, this division is based on rather infinitesimal differences. The students could be educated in the same classroom. And should be. NP here.

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Anonymous wrote:Because it divides the kids. It divides them socially. It divides them academically. It affect their friendships, and how they view themselves academically. In most cases, this division is based on rather infinitesimal differences. The students could be educated in the same classroom. And should be. NP here.

+1,000,000
There are rare cases - on both ends of the spectrum - where kids might need a special learning environment. The vast majority do not. Enough of this crazy segregation. Just improve the curriculum for ALL kids.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Ugh, we just moved here and my kid will be entering rocky run next year in gen Ed. She does struggle a little in school, needs extra help and even has an IEP because of her adhd. But she isn’t stupid. She is just average albeit creative. We moved here for the schools, is she just going to get a crap education in general Ed?

Then she’ll probably be fine in gen Ed because it’s appropriate for her. The pushback you see here from level 4 parents is because their kids are not struggling in gen Ed, are one or more grade levels ahead of your daughter and will be bored AF in elementary school if they don’t have a full time accelerated program. I know this makes people who are on the cusp upset if they don’t get in, but if your child is really unchallenged in gen Ed, you can get them into to level 4 on appeal. Most people I know personally who complain about the existence of AAP have kids who are not doing that well in gen ed—their kids would drown in level 4. I’m not sure what it is they want, except to slow everyone else down.

Hard truth.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Because it divides the kids. It divides them socially. It divides them academically. It affect their friendships, and how they view themselves academically. In most cases, this division is based on rather infinitesimal differences. The students could be educated in the same classroom. And should be. NP here.

+1,000,000
There are rare cases - on both ends of the spectrum - where kids might need a special learning environment. The vast majority do not. Enough of this crazy segregation. Just improve the curriculum for ALL kids.

Guess what? The vast majority of kids are NOT in AAP. So there you go. It’s fine.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Because it divides the kids. It divides them socially. It divides them academically. It affect their friendships, and how they view themselves academically. In most cases, this division is based on rather infinitesimal differences. The students could be educated in the same classroom. And should be. NP here.

+1,000,000
There are rare cases - on both ends of the spectrum - where kids might need a special learning environment. The vast majority do not. Enough of this crazy segregation. Just improve the curriculum for ALL kids.

It’s not just the learning environment, it’s the pace of the program. Class sizes in FCPS are too large to successfully differentiate teaching for such a wide range if you were to do away with AAP. We have tryouts and special teams in our sports around here based on athletic ability but somehow it’s wrong to recognize this exists in academics as well? My child also finally found similarly quirky kids who process the world similarly and the improvement in his social success in this learning environment has been life-changing.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Because it divides the kids. It divides them socially. It divides them academically. It affect their friendships, and how they view themselves academically. In most cases, this division is based on rather infinitesimal differences. The students could be educated in the same classroom. And should be. NP here.

+1,000,000
There are rare cases - on both ends of the spectrum - where kids might need a special learning environment. The vast majority do not. Enough of this crazy segregation. Just improve the curriculum for ALL kids.

Guess what? The vast majority of kids are NOT in AAP. So there you go. It’s fine.

depending on the school, just under half are.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Because it divides the kids. It divides them socially. It divides them academically. It affect their friendships, and how they view themselves academically. In most cases, this division is based on rather infinitesimal differences. The students could be educated in the same classroom. And should be. NP here.

+1,000,000
There are rare cases - on both ends of the spectrum - where kids might need a special learning environment. The vast majority do not. Enough of this crazy segregation. Just improve the curriculum for ALL kids.

It’s not just the learning environment, it’s the pace of the program. Class sizes in FCPS are too large to successfully differentiate teaching for such a wide range if you were to do away with AAP. We have tryouts and special teams in our sports around here based on athletic ability but somehow it’s wrong to recognize this exists in academics as well? My child also finally found similarly quirky kids who process the world similarly and the improvement in his social success in this learning environment has been life-changing.

I don't know of any sport that has tryouts U7 and sticks with those results through U14

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Because it divides the kids. It divides them socially. It divides them academically. It affect their friendships, and how they view themselves academically. In most cases, this division is based on rather infinitesimal differences. The students could be educated in the same classroom. And should be. NP here.

+1,000,000
There are rare cases - on both ends of the spectrum - where kids might need a special learning environment. The vast majority do not. Enough of this crazy segregation. Just improve the curriculum for ALL kids.

It’s not just the learning environment, it’s the pace of the program. Class sizes in FCPS are too large to successfully differentiate teaching for such a wide range if you were to do away with AAP. We have tryouts and special teams in our sports around here based on athletic ability but somehow it’s wrong to recognize this exists in academics as well? My child also finally found similarly quirky kids who process the world similarly and the improvement in his social success in this learning environment has been life-changing.

I don't know of any sport that has tryouts U7 and sticks with those results through U14

That's how GT programs work in school districts all over the country. The way that FCPS implements their GT program is a bit different but overall it's pretty normal.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Because it divides the kids. It divides them socially. It divides them academically. It affect their friendships, and how they view themselves academically. In most cases, this division is based on rather infinitesimal differences. The students could be educated in the same classroom. And should be. NP here.

+1,000,000
There are rare cases - on both ends of the spectrum - where kids might need a special learning environment. The vast majority do not. Enough of this crazy segregation. Just improve the curriculum for ALL kids.

It’s not just the learning environment, it’s the pace of the program. Class sizes in FCPS are too large to successfully differentiate teaching for such a wide range if you were to do away with AAP. We have tryouts and special teams in our sports around here based on athletic ability but somehow it’s wrong to recognize this exists in academics as well? My child also finally found similarly quirky kids who process the world similarly and the improvement in his social success in this learning environment has been life-changing.

I don't know of any sport that has tryouts U7 and sticks with those results through U14

That's how GT programs work in school districts all over the country. The way that FCPS implements their GT program is a bit different but overall it's pretty normal.

that's fine, just realize that if you want to use sports as a justification to separate kids, realize that in sports, kids have to earn their sports every year. In AAP, once a kid is in, they can coast

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Because it divides the kids. It divides them socially. It divides them academically. It affect their friendships, and how they view themselves academically. In most cases, this division is based on rather infinitesimal differences. The students could be educated in the same classroom. And should be. NP here.

+1,000,000
There are rare cases - on both ends of the spectrum - where kids might need a special learning environment. The vast majority do not. Enough of this crazy segregation. Just improve the curriculum for ALL kids.

It’s not just the learning environment, it’s the pace of the program. Class sizes in FCPS are too large to successfully differentiate teaching for such a wide range if you were to do away with AAP. We have tryouts and special teams in our sports around here based on athletic ability but somehow it’s wrong to recognize this exists in academics as well? My child also finally found similarly quirky kids who process the world similarly and the improvement in his social success in this learning environment has been life-changing.

I don't know of any sport that has tryouts U7 and sticks with those results through U14

That's how GT programs work in school districts all over the country. The way that FCPS implements their GT program is a bit different but overall it's pretty normal.

that's fine, just realize that if you want to use sports as a justification to separate kids, realize that in sports, kids have to earn their sports every year. In AAP, once a kid is in, they can coast

DP, I guess they can, but there aren’t that many kids in the program that would do that? It’s such an odd concern. You have the right to appeal every year until your kid gets in, if you want so it’s kinda the same thing as open try outs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Because it divides the kids. It divides them socially. It divides them academically. It affect their friendships, and how they view themselves academically. In most cases, this division is based on rather infinitesimal differences. The students could be educated in the same classroom. And should be. NP here.

+1,000,000
There are rare cases - on both ends of the spectrum - where kids might need a special learning environment. The vast majority do not. Enough of this crazy segregation. Just improve the curriculum for ALL kids.

Guess what? The vast majority of kids are NOT in AAP. So there you go. It’s fine.

depending on the school, just under half are.

This makes no sense. Yes if you’re looking at a dedicated center, half of the classes might be level 4, for obvious reasons. Local level 4 definitely not. At my kid’s base, which is a center, only four or five kids from the base are in the full time level 4 program?

If you’re talking about level 3 pull outs, then it makes more sense.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Because it divides the kids. It divides them socially. It divides them academically. It affect their friendships, and how they view themselves academically. In most cases, this division is based on rather infinitesimal differences. The students could be educated in the same classroom. And should be. NP here.

+1,000,000
There are rare cases - on both ends of the spectrum - where kids might need a special learning environment. The vast majority do not. Enough of this crazy segregation. Just improve the curriculum for ALL kids.

It’s not just the learning environment, it’s the pace of the program. Class sizes in FCPS are too large to successfully differentiate teaching for such a wide range if you were to do away with AAP. We have tryouts and special teams in our sports around here based on athletic ability but somehow it’s wrong to recognize this exists in academics as well? My child also finally found similarly quirky kids who process the world similarly and the improvement in his social success in this learning environment has been life-changing.

Same. If the program ends we will have to leave FCPS.