TKPK public schools vs. AUP/Tenleytown/Friendship Heights public schools

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Anonymous wrote:Even if that was true, do you support keeping PG County schools segregated when Takoma Park has an abundance of perfectly good white kids it could send to PG County schools?

You can’t be serious. Why wouldn’t Moco not send “perfectly good white kids” from Bethesda or Potomac? You’re ridiculous and clearly a troll.

Professional troll or 7th grader.

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Anonymous wrote:That area is part of a consortium giving people some choice in HS...though Blair is often considered the strongest option.

You mean the 4/10 high school is the strongest?

Yes, Blair also has 10X the National Merit Finalists, Regeneron Scholarships than the other HS. It's head and shoulders over those other schools.

Um, I don't know about that. The fact that it houses a sought-after Magnet program that is already pulling the "best" from the county, but still yields a 4/10 is pretty telling.

It's pretty telling about the uselessness of GS ratings

Considering that GS ratings rate schools on their test scores, college readiness, and how well they serve the academic development of disadvantaged student groups, I say it's pretty useful.

GS ratings are an average and simply reflect an area's average affluence or lack thereof. I found the post quoted below that used demographic cohort as a proxy to isolate for SES differences far more revealing as to how my kids might do at one school or another.

I remember reading the post that showed Blair's SAT average was 50 points higher for the largest common cohort to it and any W.
Blair 1326
Walter Johnson 1275
Wootton 1262
Churchill 1257

https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/sharedaccountability/reports/2017/1771102HS%20Princ_SAT%20Partic_Perf%20Class%20of%202017.pdf

Yes, that's much more helpful than the GS numbers which seem to devalue economically diverse schools instead of looking deeper. Not really a shock since GS gets its funding from a real-estate industry that benefits from inflating home values.

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Anonymous wrote:Even if that was true, do you support keeping PG County schools segregated when Takoma Park has an abundance of perfectly good white kids it could send to PG County schools?

You can’t be serious. Why wouldn’t Moco not send “perfectly good white kids” from Bethesda or Potomac? You’re ridiculous and clearly a troll.

Professional troll or 7th grader.

Clearly a troll. It would be in everyone's interest to ignore him, probably everywhere, but at least in threads that have nothing to do with boundary drawing. Same goes for the person obsessed with that tweet about whiteness.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Even if that was true, do you support keeping PG County schools segregated when Takoma Park has an abundance of perfectly good white kids it could send to PG County schools?

You can’t be serious. Why wouldn’t Moco not send “perfectly good white kids” from Bethesda or Potomac? You’re ridiculous and clearly a troll.

Professional troll or 7th grader.

Clearly a troll. It would be in everyone's interest to ignore him, probably everywhere, but at least in threads that have nothing to do with boundary drawing. Same goes for the person obsessed with that tweet about whiteness.

I thinkt they are the same person and I agree. If PP actually presents his idea at an MCPS board meeting, we can discuss as a matter of potential policy then. Until then, it's clear he is just trolling.

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Anonymous wrote:That area is part of a consortium giving people some choice in HS...though Blair is often considered the strongest option.

You mean the 4/10 high school is the strongest?

Yes, Blair also has 10X the National Merit Finalists, Regeneron Scholarships than the other HS. It's head and shoulders over those other schools.

Um, I don't know about that. The fact that it houses a sought-after Magnet program that is already pulling the "best" from the county, but still yields a 4/10 is pretty telling.

It's pretty telling about the uselessness of GS ratings

Considering that GS ratings rate schools on their test scores, college readiness, and how well they serve the academic development of disadvantaged student groups, I say it's pretty useful.

GS ratings are an average and simply reflect an area's average affluence or lack thereof. I found the post quoted below that used demographic cohort as a proxy to isolate for SES differences far more revealing as to how my kids might do at one school or another.

I remember reading the post that showed Blair's SAT average was 50 points higher for the largest common cohort to it and any W.
Blair 1326
Walter Johnson 1275
Wootton 1262
Churchill 1257

https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/sharedaccountability/reports/2017/1771102HS%20Princ_SAT%20Partic_Perf%20Class%20of%202017.pdf

Yes, that's much more helpful than the GS numbers which seem to devalue economically diverse schools instead of looking deeper. Not really a shock since GS gets its funding from a real-estate industry that benefits from inflating home values.

So you think GS has an interest in inflating some values and deflating others? that's just stupid. Agents win when all houses cost more. I might buy the argument that GS reflects perceptions more than actual quality but either way it accurately reflects either the low quality or low perception of a school like Blair. I even get why TP schools struggle and the historical hill they have to climb up with disproportional packed poverty, disenfranchised populations, low parent involvement and investment but those all sound like pretty good reasons to rate something lower than a school that doesn't have any of those issues and doesn't have to cherry pick a fraction of it's students to present acceptable test scores. What I really read from your post is I wish people thought better of my school so my property values would go up and all I can say is good luck with that.

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Sure. Keep that 7th grade argument going.

I mean, if you think Brown v. Board of Education is a 7th grade argument then you're and even worse racist than I thought.

You're trying to conflate Brown v Board of Ed to busing students between Prince Georges and MoCo? Yep. 7th grade arguments.

Race-integration busing in the United States (also known as simply busing or by its critics as forced busing) was the practice of assigning and transporting students to schools within or outside their local school districts in an effort to diversify the racial make-up of schools. While the 1954 U.S. Supreme Court landmark decision in Brown v. Board of Education declared racial segregation in public schools unconstitutional, many American schools continue to remain largely uni-racial due to housing inequality. In an effort to address the ongoing de facto segregation in schools, the 1971 Supreme Court decision, Swann v. Charlotte-Mecklenburg Board of Education, ruled that the federal courts could use busing as a further integration tool to achieve racial balance.

This sounds like just the thing to solve segregation in the Takoma Park/Langley Park area.

If in this alternate version of reality the boundaries between PG and MoCo were eliminated and the point was to desegregate and/or increase the diversity in each county’s schools, the answer wouldn’t be to change the demographics of the already diverse and non segregated DCC schools, it would be for PG County kids to be bused to Whitman and Churchill, where the schools are lacking in diversity and some would say segregated, and vice versa.

You claim DCC schools are already diverse. But when compared with western PG schools they are not very diverse at all. And yes, it would make schools like Whitman and Churchill more diverse to have PG Co kids bused there but I don't think PG County parents would want their kids bused that far. TPES and MS are right there though.

Of course they are. DCC schools are more diverse than either western MoCo or western PG schools are.

Even if that was true, do you support keeping PG County schools segregated when Takoma Park has an abundance of perfectly good white kids it could send to PG County schools?

You can’t be serious. Why wouldn’t Moco not send “perfectly good white kids” from Bethesda or Potomac? You’re ridiculous and clearly a troll.

One of the four factors of the boundary policy, is proximity. It is not as high a priority as diversity but it's still a factor. Conversely, Takoma Park is right there. In fact, in case you didn't know, back in 1997, segregationist Marc Elrich lead the secession effort to break Takoma Park away from predominantly black Prince George's County and merge it with predominantly white Montgomery County. Elrich said, "I would have died if people in Montgomery County had voted to move to Prince George's," Elrich said. "There is a perceived difference that Montgomery County has better schools, better services and higher property values." Talk about white flight.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:That area is part of a consortium giving people some choice in HS...though Blair is often considered the strongest option.

You mean the 4/10 high school is the strongest?

Yes, Blair also has 10X the National Merit Finalists, Regeneron Scholarships than the other HS. It's head and shoulders over those other schools.

Um, I don't know about that. The fact that it houses a sought-after Magnet program that is already pulling the "best" from the county, but still yields a 4/10 is pretty telling.

It's pretty telling about the uselessness of GS ratings

Considering that GS ratings rate schools on their test scores, college readiness, and how well they serve the academic development of disadvantaged student groups, I say it's pretty useful.

GS ratings are an average and simply reflect an area's average affluence or lack thereof. I found the post quoted below that used demographic cohort as a proxy to isolate for SES differences far more revealing as to how my kids might do at one school or another.

I remember reading the post that showed Blair's SAT average was 50 points higher for the largest common cohort to it and any W.
Blair 1326
Walter Johnson 1275
Wootton 1262
Churchill 1257

https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/sharedaccountability/reports/2017/1771102HS%20Princ_SAT%20Partic_Perf%20Class%20of%202017.pdf

Yes, that's much more helpful than the GS numbers which seem to devalue economically diverse schools instead of looking deeper. Not really a shock since GS gets its funding from a real-estate industry that benefits from inflating home values.

So you think GS has an interest in inflating some values and deflating others? that's just stupid. Agents win when all houses cost more. I might buy the argument that GS reflects perceptions more than actual quality but either way it accurately reflects either the low quality or low perception of a school like Blair. I even get why TP schools struggle and the historical hill they have to climb up with disproportional packed poverty, disenfranchised populations, low parent involvement and investment but those all sound like pretty good reasons to rate something lower than a school that doesn't have any of those issues and doesn't have to cherry pick a fraction of it's students to present acceptable test scores. What I really read from your post is I wish people thought better of my school so my property values would go up and all I can say is good luck with that.

OK but why do Silver Spring have to put up with those issues why Bethesda doesn't?????? That is what the boundary study going fix and then Takoma Park will have the 10 out of 10 schools

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Even if that was true, do you support keeping PG County schools segregated when Takoma Park has an abundance of perfectly good white kids it could send to PG County schools?

You can’t be serious. Why wouldn’t Moco not send “perfectly good white kids” from Bethesda or Potomac? You’re ridiculous and clearly a troll.

Professional troll or 7th grader.

Clearly a troll. It would be in everyone's interest to ignore him, probably everywhere, but at least in threads that have nothing to do with boundary drawing. Same goes for the person obsessed with that tweet about whiteness.

What's this with a tweet about whiteness?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Even if that was true, do you support keeping PG County schools segregated when Takoma Park has an abundance of perfectly good white kids it could send to PG County schools?

You can’t be serious. Why wouldn’t Moco not send “perfectly good white kids” from Bethesda or Potomac? You’re ridiculous and clearly a troll.

Professional troll or 7th grader.

Clearly a troll. It would be in everyone's interest to ignore him, probably everywhere, but at least in threads that have nothing to do with boundary drawing. Same goes for the person obsessed with that tweet about whiteness.

What's this with a tweet about whiteness?

Please don't feed the troll.

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Sure. Keep that 7th grade argument going.

I mean, if you think Brown v. Board of Education is a 7th grade argument then you're and even worse racist than I thought.

You're trying to conflate Brown v Board of Ed to busing students between Prince Georges and MoCo? Yep. 7th grade arguments.

Race-integration busing in the United States (also known as simply busing or by its critics as forced busing) was the practice of assigning and transporting students to schools within or outside their local school districts in an effort to diversify the racial make-up of schools. While the 1954 U.S. Supreme Court landmark decision in Brown v. Board of Education declared racial segregation in public schools unconstitutional, many American schools continue to remain largely uni-racial due to housing inequality. In an effort to address the ongoing de facto segregation in schools, the 1971 Supreme Court decision, Swann v. Charlotte-Mecklenburg Board of Education, ruled that the federal courts could use busing as a further integration tool to achieve racial balance.

This sounds like just the thing to solve segregation in the Takoma Park/Langley Park area.

If in this alternate version of reality the boundaries between PG and MoCo were eliminated and the point was to desegregate and/or increase the diversity in each county’s schools, the answer wouldn’t be to change the demographics of the already diverse and non segregated DCC schools, it would be for PG County kids to be bused to Whitman and Churchill, where the schools are lacking in diversity and some would say segregated, and vice versa.

You claim DCC schools are already diverse. But when compared with western PG schools they are not very diverse at all. And yes, it would make schools like Whitman and Churchill more diverse to have PG Co kids bused there but I don't think PG County parents would want their kids bused that far. TPES and MS are right there though.

Of course they are. DCC schools are more diverse than either western MoCo or western PG schools are.

Even if that was true, do you support keeping PG County schools segregated when Takoma Park has an abundance of perfectly good white kids it could send to PG County schools?

You can’t be serious. Why wouldn’t Moco not send “perfectly good white kids” from Bethesda or Potomac? You’re ridiculous and clearly a troll.

One of the four factors of the boundary policy, is proximity. It is not as high a priority as diversity but it's still a factor. Conversely, Takoma Park is right there. In fact, in case you didn't know, back in 1997, segregationist Marc Elrich lead the secession effort to break Takoma Park away from predominantly black Prince George's County and merge it with predominantly white Montgomery County. Elrich said, "I would have died if people in Montgomery County had voted to move to Prince George's," Elrich said. "There is a perceived difference that Montgomery County has better schools, better services and higher property values." Talk about white flight.

Or that the poorest parts of TP don't even go to the same school zone. wonder why Flower Ave is the line

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Even if that was true, do you support keeping PG County schools segregated when Takoma Park has an abundance of perfectly good white kids it could send to PG County schools?

You can’t be serious. Why wouldn’t Moco not send “perfectly good white kids” from Bethesda or Potomac? You’re ridiculous and clearly a troll.

Professional troll or 7th grader.

Clearly a troll. It would be in everyone's interest to ignore him, probably everywhere, but at least in threads that have nothing to do with boundary drawing. Same goes for the person obsessed with that tweet about whiteness.

I thinkt they are the same person and I agree. If PP actually presents his idea at an MCPS board meeting, we can discuss as a matter of potential policy then. Until then, it's clear he is just trolling.

I've been misgenegered! Call the woke police! And I don't need to present it. I'm talking with young super-progressives who believe that increasing diversity is the number one thing MCPS can do for its students. They will bring it to the BOE. Not to mention pressure from PG County, and the state.

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Anonymous wrote:That area is part of a consortium giving people some choice in HS...though Blair is often considered the strongest option.

You mean the 4/10 high school is the strongest?

Yes, Blair also has 10X the National Merit Finalists, Regeneron Scholarships than the other HS. It's head and shoulders over those other schools.

Um, I don't know about that. The fact that it houses a sought-after Magnet program that is already pulling the "best" from the county, but still yields a 4/10 is pretty telling.

It's pretty telling about the uselessness of GS ratings

Considering that GS ratings rate schools on their test scores, college readiness, and how well they serve the academic development of disadvantaged student groups, I say it's pretty useful.

GS ratings are an average and simply reflect an area's average affluence or lack thereof. I found the post quoted below that used demographic cohort as a proxy to isolate for SES differences far more revealing as to how my kids might do at one school or another.

I remember reading the post that showed Blair's SAT average was 50 points higher for the largest common cohort to it and any W.
Blair 1326
Walter Johnson 1275
Wootton 1262
Churchill 1257

https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/sharedaccountability/reports/2017/1771102HS%20Princ_SAT%20Partic_Perf%20Class%20of%202017.pdf

Yes, that's much more helpful than the GS numbers which seem to devalue economically diverse schools instead of looking deeper. Not really a shock since GS gets its funding from a real-estate industry that benefits from inflating home values.

So you think GS has an interest in inflating some values and deflating others? that's just stupid. Agents win when all houses cost more. I might buy the argument that GS reflects perceptions more than actual quality but either way it accurately reflects either the low quality or low perception of a school like Blair. I even get why TP schools struggle and the historical hill they have to climb up with disproportional packed poverty, disenfranchised populations, low parent involvement and investment but those all sound like pretty good reasons to rate something lower than a school that doesn't have any of those issues and doesn't have to cherry pick a fraction of it's students to present acceptable test scores. What I really read from your post is I wish people thought better of my school so my property values would go up and all I can say is good luck with that.

OK but why do Silver Spring have to put up with those issues why Bethesda doesn't?????? That is what the boundary study going fix and then Takoma Park will have the 10 out of 10 schools

Why would someone move to Silver Spring and expect it not to be Silver Spring

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Anonymous wrote:That area is part of a consortium giving people some choice in HS...though Blair is often considered the strongest option.

You mean the 4/10 high school is the strongest?

Yes, Blair also has 10X the National Merit Finalists, Regeneron Scholarships than the other HS. It's head and shoulders over those other schools.

Um, I don't know about that. The fact that it houses a sought-after Magnet program that is already pulling the "best" from the county, but still yields a 4/10 is pretty telling.

It's pretty telling about the uselessness of GS ratings

Considering that GS ratings rate schools on their test scores, college readiness, and how well they serve the academic development of disadvantaged student groups, I say it's pretty useful.

GS ratings are an average and simply reflect an area's average affluence or lack thereof. I found the post quoted below that used demographic cohort as a proxy to isolate for SES differences far more revealing as to how my kids might do at one school or another.

I remember reading the post that showed Blair's SAT average was 50 points higher for the largest common cohort to it and any W.
Blair 1326
Walter Johnson 1275
Wootton 1262
Churchill 1257

https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/sharedaccountability/reports/2017/1771102HS%20Princ_SAT%20Partic_Perf%20Class%20of%202017.pdf

Yes, that's much more helpful than the GS numbers which seem to devalue economically diverse schools instead of looking deeper. Not really a shock since GS gets its funding from a real-estate industry that benefits from inflating home values.

So you think GS has an interest in inflating some values and deflating others? that's just stupid. Agents win when all houses cost more. I might buy the argument that GS reflects perceptions more than actual quality but either way it accurately reflects either the low quality or low perception of a school like Blair. I even get why TP schools struggle and the historical hill they have to climb up with disproportional packed poverty, disenfranchised populations, low parent involvement and investment but those all sound like pretty good reasons to rate something lower than a school that doesn't have any of those issues and doesn't have to cherry pick a fraction of it's students to present acceptable test scores. What I really read from your post is I wish people thought better of my school so my property values would go up and all I can say is good luck with that.

Exactly. This is why Del Moon tried to pass a state bill that would prevent realtors from mentioning school clusters in advertising. Woke lunatics hate the fact that people perceive better schools as being better schools.

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Or that the poorest parts of TP don't even go to the same school zone. wonder why Flower Ave is the line

It isn't. All parts of Takoma Park are zoned to Blair.

https://gis.mcpsmd.org/ServiceAreaMaps/BlairHS.pdf

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Blair used to be inside the beltway., When the school moved, the boundaries did not.