Guests in the condo pool. Call the police?

[Anonymous]

I'm a pool association treasurer. We don't require advance permission to bring guests, even a lot of guests. We do charge per guest. And if you want to reserve half of the picnic pavilion for your party, you have to do that in advance.

We do reserve the right to ask anyone who is in violation of the rules to leave. Yes we would call the local cops if we asked someone to leave and they refused. Or at least, we would have in the past. Nowadays if the person is brown, no way I'm making that phone call.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm a pool association treasurer. We don't require advance permission to bring guests, even a lot of guests. We do charge per guest. And if you want to reserve half of the picnic pavilion for your party, you have to do that in advance.

We do reserve the right to ask anyone who is in violation of the rules to leave. Yes we would call the local cops if we asked someone to leave and they refused. Or at least, we would have in the past. Nowadays if the person is brown, no way I'm making that phone call.

That is OK as long as you own the property (or represent the owners) and they are trespassing on property that isn't theirs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm a pool association treasurer. We don't require advance permission to bring guests, even a lot of guests. We do charge per guest. And if you want to reserve half of the picnic pavilion for your party, you have to do that in advance.

We do reserve the right to ask anyone who is in violation of the rules to leave. Yes we would call the local cops if we asked someone to leave and they refused. Or at least, we would have in the past. Nowadays if the person is brown, no way I'm making that phone call.

What do you do if 30 people show up at a time when there is no lifeguard on duty? Are you okay with that many people around a pool with no lifeguards?

What if an injury occurred and your HOA were sued for allowing so many people around the pool with no lifeguards? Does your HOA have the funds to handle a lawsuit like that?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm a pool association treasurer. We don't require advance permission to bring guests, even a lot of guests. We do charge per guest. And if you want to reserve half of the picnic pavilion for your party, you have to do that in advance.

We do reserve the right to ask anyone who is in violation of the rules to leave. Yes we would call the local cops if we asked someone to leave and they refused. Or at least, we would have in the past. Nowadays if the person is brown, no way I'm making that phone call.

Then you should resign and let someone else step up to make sure the rules are followed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
Yes, but if they weren’t following the rules, they needed to leave. Taking it up with the HOA isn’t going to do anything to help the situation in that moment. Fining the owner after the fact doesn’t help the here and now situation of there being too many kids in the pool- especially if no lifeguard is on duty. That would be a liability issue for the HOA if someone were to get hurt. And none of us want a child to be in a possibly dangerous situation around water.

That doesn't matter. The police are not the enforcement arm of the HOA rules. Remember this is a poll that is partially owned by the condo owner. It is HER pool as much as the other condo owners' pools. If there's no lifeguard present, how is the HOA liable for any accident anyhow? The bigger liability is the fact that there is no lifeguard, not the fact that a homeowner broke the rules and overcrowded the pool.

My HOA’s pool staff call the police at least once every year or two when people who are there without permission refuse to leave. They have all been white kids, so no mention of racism was made.

Are they trespassers there without permission of any owners? Then that is a crime and the police should be called.

And I wouldn’t even think of bringing 30 people to my pool without filling out the paperwork in advance. There’s no way it’s a good idea to have 30 people around an HOA pool with no lifeguards on duty. That is just a bad idea all around.

Well, I wouldn't either -- not 4 and 6 years olds for sure, even if each child had a parent with him or her. But I wouldn't bring ANY non swimmers to a pool without a lifeguard, except my own child one on one with me.

But I don't think you can call the police on people for poor judgment.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm a pool association treasurer. We don't require advance permission to bring guests, even a lot of guests. We do charge per guest. And if you want to reserve half of the picnic pavilion for your party, you have to do that in advance.

We do reserve the right to ask anyone who is in violation of the rules to leave. Yes we would call the local cops if we asked someone to leave and they refused. Or at least, we would have in the past. Nowadays if the person is brown, no way I'm making that phone call.

What do you do if 30 people show up at a time when there is no lifeguard on duty? Are you okay with that many people around a pool with no lifeguards?

What if an injury occurred and your HOA were sued for allowing so many people around the pool with no lifeguards? Does your HOA have the funds to handle a lawsuit like that?

There is always a life guard on duty if the pool is open.

The pool has a max capacity and if max capacity were to be reached, no one else would be allowed in.

The members of the association own the property.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm a pool association treasurer. We don't require advance permission to bring guests, even a lot of guests. We do charge per guest. And if you want to reserve half of the picnic pavilion for your party, you have to do that in advance.

We do reserve the right to ask anyone who is in violation of the rules to leave. Yes we would call the local cops if we asked someone to leave and they refused. Or at least, we would have in the past. Nowadays if the person is brown, no way I'm making that phone call.

Then you should resign and let someone else step up to make sure the rules are followed.

I would love to resign since we have a REALLY hard time getting volunteers for these unpaid positions, and they are a LOT of work.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Under no circumstance does any reasonable person think its reasonable for 1-2 "owners" to have 30 guests in a shared owner space. Imagine if every owner did that.

These people were WAY out of line and they either know it and don't care, or are THAT clueless about acceptable public behavior.

I have no doubt that the 30 of them who thought this was totally cool to do were making a huge disturbance at the pool.

The fine them and it's not the police's job to do that or another owner's job.

Anyone is free to call the police with a concern. The police then have the ability to decide if they need to attend to the issue or not.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm a pool association treasurer. We don't require advance permission to bring guests, even a lot of guests. We do charge per guest. And if you want to reserve half of the picnic pavilion for your party, you have to do that in advance.

We do reserve the right to ask anyone who is in violation of the rules to leave. Yes we would call the local cops if we asked someone to leave and they refused. Or at least, we would have in the past. Nowadays if the person is brown, no way I'm making that phone call.

I would just quietly call the police out of sight/earshot of the trespassers.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm a pool association treasurer. We don't require advance permission to bring guests, even a lot of guests. We do charge per guest. And if you want to reserve half of the picnic pavilion for your party, you have to do that in advance.

We do reserve the right to ask anyone who is in violation of the rules to leave. Yes we would call the local cops if we asked someone to leave and they refused. Or at least, we would have in the past. Nowadays if the person is brown, no way I'm making that phone call.

How many times have you called the police on a party?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm a pool association treasurer. We don't require advance permission to bring guests, even a lot of guests. We do charge per guest. And if you want to reserve half of the picnic pavilion for your party, you have to do that in advance.

We do reserve the right to ask anyone who is in violation of the rules to leave. Yes we would call the local cops if we asked someone to leave and they refused. Or at least, we would have in the past. Nowadays if the person is brown, no way I'm making that phone call.

What do you do if 30 people show up at a time when there is no lifeguard on duty? Are you okay with that many people around a pool with no lifeguards?

What if an injury occurred and your HOA were sued for allowing so many people around the pool with no lifeguards? Does your HOA have the funds to handle a lawsuit like that?

There is always a life guard on duty if the pool is open.

The pool has a max capacity and if max capacity were to be reached, no one else would be allowed in.

The members of the association own the property.

So you always staff the pool for the maximum capacity? Your HOA must have a lot of money.

My HOA staffs according to how many people are expected at particular times, with one or two on standby if needed. We would need to know in advance if a 30 person party was being held, especially one with a lot of children. We would have more lifeguards scheduled for that time, especially since people at a party will act differently than people who are just at the pool in smaller groups.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm a pool association treasurer. We don't require advance permission to bring guests, even a lot of guests. We do charge per guest. And if you want to reserve half of the picnic pavilion for your party, you have to do that in advance.

We do reserve the right to ask anyone who is in violation of the rules to leave. Yes we would call the local cops if we asked someone to leave and they refused. Or at least, we would have in the past. Nowadays if the person is brown, no way I'm making that phone call.

What do you do if 30 people show up at a time when there is no lifeguard on duty? Are you okay with that many people around a pool with no lifeguards?

What if an injury occurred and your HOA were sued for allowing so many people around the pool with no lifeguards? Does your HOA have the funds to handle a lawsuit like that?

There is always a life guard on duty if the pool is open.

The pool has a max capacity and if max capacity were to be reached, no one else would be allowed in.

The members of the association own the property.

So you always staff the pool for the maximum capacity? Your HOA must have a lot of money.

My HOA staffs according to how many people are expected at particular times, with one or two on standby if needed. We would need to know in advance if a 30 person party was being held, especially one with a lot of children. We would have more lifeguards scheduled for that time, especially since people at a party will act differently than people who are just at the pool in smaller groups.

So you just don't have enough lifeguards. There is no way to know how many owners are coming on a given day. You have no procedures in place for a lifeguard to call in another when you reach a certain amount of people.

Wow! You suck as an HOA. You need better processes and procedures.

[Anonymous]

These posters keeping this thread alive are serious losers just looking for something to be angry about.

Do you seriously care about the HOA policies of a building that a) you don't live in and b) is not relevant to the case at hand?

[Anonymous]

Treasurer here. I have only been on the pool board for one summer. Not aware of any calls to the police this year.

We always staff for a typical day ie is it a Wednesday? Or a Saturday?

[Anonymous]

Ps, we have never had a problem with exceeded capacity. And we contract the pool management and lifeguards out; they don’t care if you are happy or unhappy as an individual. They will close the pool if they think warranted. Ie weather or other risk.