Guests in the condo pool. Call the police?

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Anonymous wrote:We rent, and at our pool, tenants have to buy guest passes for each non-tenant using the pool, and the number of those guests are limited to 2 per unit at a time.
Lifeguards are tasked with enforcing this rule.
I do think calling the cops is an overkill, but I can totally see why other pool patrons were less than happy with this huge group using the pool without proper authorization.

So can any other rational person.

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And cries of racism are obnoxious and self-serving

- signed, a non-White person

They're used to excuse bad behavior.....it's tiresome.

2 idiots who have no idea who needed what permission and who did or did not have it.

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The idea of private property just doesn’t exist on DCUM.

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Who says that the guests are authorized to be there. What if the resident had pool privileges revoked and then goes to the pool with several guests? What do the lifeguards do when they refuse to leave?

These are not criminal matters. They are matters for the HOA to deal with and enforce.

My private pool has rules saying you can't run near the pool. If people violate that rule, they get a warning from the lifeguard. If they continue to violate that rule despite warnings, they could lose their membership. No one calls the police.

If they lose their membership, and continue to come to the pool somehow despite not being a member anymore, at that point I could see calling the cops for trespassing if given proper prior notice. But that's nothing like calling the cops for the first violation of private rules.

It's not a crime to fail to obey the rules of your HOA.

If someone is not authorized to be on private property and they refuse to leave, one can call the police to deal with the person. The pool is privately owned by the condo owners: it is not open to the public.

My neighborhood pool has problems with young teens/tweens trying to walk in even though they are not members. They have been asked to leave and if they don’t, the police have been called. It’s a group of white kids doing this, so there is no racism involved on the part of the diverse staff and membership of the pool.

+1. I’m on our neighborhood pool board. We are not a HOA and you have to buy memberships. Every year, there are groups of teens/ tweens who try to come in without memberships. More often than not, they’ve been told the rules in previous years and their parents definitely know. If memory serves, we’ve had to call the non emergency police twice in the past five years because they got belligerent when asked to leave.

That's not what happened here though. These people were guests of a resident.

But the question of whether the resident owner had permission to bring that many guests on that day has not been answered. If there was no permission for that many guests at one time on that day, then they were there without permission and therefore, trespassing.

Had permission been granted by the HOA to the condo owner for this party on this day with this number of people?

Genius, you do not even know the rules of the HOA of this story. For all you know the resident does not need to seek permission. STOP MAKING UP THINGS.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:We rent, and at our pool, tenants have to buy guest passes for each non-tenant using the pool, and the number of those guests are limited to 2 per unit at a time.
Lifeguards are tasked with enforcing this rule.
I do think calling the cops is an overkill, but I can totally see why other pool patrons were less than happy with this huge group using the pool without proper authorization.

So can any other rational person.

+1

And cries of racism are obnoxious and self-serving

- signed, a non-White person

They're used to excuse bad behavior.....it's tiresome.

+2

+3 so different if you have ever been in the situation with others using the pool who don’t have a right to be there.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Under no circumstance does any reasonable person think its reasonable for 1-2 "owners" to have 30 guests in a shared owner space. Imagine if every owner did that.

These people were WAY out of line and they either know it and don't care, or are THAT clueless about acceptable public behavior.

I have no doubt that the 30 of them who thought this was totally cool to do were making a huge disturbance at the pool.

The fine them and it's not the police's job to do that or another owner's job.

Are you saying that owners should just throw a big party whenever they want without getting permission ahead of time and just pay a fine after the fact? That would end up in chaos.

And heaven forbid that a child be injured or drown because not enough lifeguards were on duty because they weren’t expecting a party. This is a huge safety issue, especially when we’re talking about large groups of children.

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Who says that the guests are authorized to be there. What if the resident had pool privileges revoked and then goes to the pool with several guests? What do the lifeguards do when they refuse to leave?

These are not criminal matters. They are matters for the HOA to deal with and enforce.

My private pool has rules saying you can't run near the pool. If people violate that rule, they get a warning from the lifeguard. If they continue to violate that rule despite warnings, they could lose their membership. No one calls the police.

If they lose their membership, and continue to come to the pool somehow despite not being a member anymore, at that point I could see calling the cops for trespassing if given proper prior notice. But that's nothing like calling the cops for the first violation of private rules.

It's not a crime to fail to obey the rules of your HOA.

If someone is not authorized to be on private property and they refuse to leave, one can call the police to deal with the person. The pool is privately owned by the condo owners: it is not open to the public.

My neighborhood pool has problems with young teens/tweens trying to walk in even though they are not members. They have been asked to leave and if they don’t, the police have been called. It’s a group of white kids doing this, so there is no racism involved on the part of the diverse staff and membership of the pool.

+1. I’m on our neighborhood pool board. We are not a HOA and you have to buy memberships. Every year, there are groups of teens/ tweens who try to come in without memberships. More often than not, they’ve been told the rules in previous years and their parents definitely know. If memory serves, we’ve had to call the non emergency police twice in the past five years because they got belligerent when asked to leave.

That's not what happened here though. These people were guests of a resident.

But the question of whether the resident owner had permission to bring that many guests on that day has not been answered. If there was no permission for that many guests at one time on that day, then they were there without permission and therefore, trespassing.

Had permission been granted by the HOA to the condo owner for this party on this day with this number of people?

Genius, you do not even know the rules of the HOA of this story. For all you know the resident does not need to seek permission. STOP MAKING UP THINGS.

I’ve never heard of an HOA that does not require permission to bring more that a few guests to their pool. It is a huge safety and liability issue to have too many people in the area around a pool at the same time.

They need to have the proper number of lifeguards to be eating the water and need to know to bring in extra staff when there will be extra people around the pool area.

[Anonymous]

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Who says that the guests are authorized to be there. What if the resident had pool privileges revoked and then goes to the pool with several guests? What do the lifeguards do when they refuse to leave?

These are not criminal matters. They are matters for the HOA to deal with and enforce.

My private pool has rules saying you can't run near the pool. If people violate that rule, they get a warning from the lifeguard. If they continue to violate that rule despite warnings, they could lose their membership. No one calls the police.

If they lose their membership, and continue to come to the pool somehow despite not being a member anymore, at that point I could see calling the cops for trespassing if given proper prior notice. But that's nothing like calling the cops for the first violation of private rules.

It's not a crime to fail to obey the rules of your HOA.

If someone is not authorized to be on private property and they refuse to leave, one can call the police to deal with the person. The pool is privately owned by the condo owners: it is not open to the public.

My neighborhood pool has problems with young teens/tweens trying to walk in even though they are not members. They have been asked to leave and if they don’t, the police have been called. It’s a group of white kids doing this, so there is no racism involved on the part of the diverse staff and membership of the pool.

+1. I’m on our neighborhood pool board. We are not a HOA and you have to buy memberships. Every year, there are groups of teens/ tweens who try to come in without memberships. More often than not, they’ve been told the rules in previous years and their parents definitely know. If memory serves, we’ve had to call the non emergency police twice in the past five years because they got belligerent when asked to leave.

That's not what happened here though. These people were guests of a resident.

But the question of whether the resident owner had permission to bring that many guests on that day has not been answered. If there was no permission for that many guests at one time on that day, then they were there without permission and therefore, trespassing.

Had permission been granted by the HOA to the condo owner for this party on this day with this number of people?

Genius, you do not even know the rules of the HOA of this story. For all you know the resident does not need to seek permission. STOP MAKING UP THINGS.

I’ve never heard of an HOA that does not require permission to bring more that a few guests to their pool. It is a huge safety and liability issue to have too many people in the area around a pool at the same time.

They need to have the proper number of lifeguards to be eating the water and need to know to bring in extra staff when there will be extra people around the pool area.

Ugh, *watching* the water, not eating it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Under no circumstance does any reasonable person think its reasonable for 1-2 "owners" to have 30 guests in a shared owner space. Imagine if every owner did that.

These people were WAY out of line and they either know it and don't care, or are THAT clueless about acceptable public behavior.

I have no doubt that the 30 of them who thought this was totally cool to do were making a huge disturbance at the pool.

Not true. We have a soccer field in our neighborhood and often a homeowner invites 30 people to the field to play soccer.

People also have parties at our park... 30 would be fine.

I would not even know if people at the pool are guests since the pool is so crowded.

Under no circumstance does anybody reasonable person thing 1 crazy owner has the right to call the police on a civil matter.

You’re talking about public parks in your examples here. The case we’re talking about took place at a private pool at a condo building. Not public, but privately owned by the owners of the condos. Completely different from a public park.

No, I'm not. It's private property.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:
Who says that the guests are authorized to be there. What if the resident had pool privileges revoked and then goes to the pool with several guests? What do the lifeguards do when they refuse to leave?

These are not criminal matters. They are matters for the HOA to deal with and enforce.

My private pool has rules saying you can't run near the pool. If people violate that rule, they get a warning from the lifeguard. If they continue to violate that rule despite warnings, they could lose their membership. No one calls the police.

If they lose their membership, and continue to come to the pool somehow despite not being a member anymore, at that point I could see calling the cops for trespassing if given proper prior notice. But that's nothing like calling the cops for the first violation of private rules.

It's not a crime to fail to obey the rules of your HOA.

If someone is not authorized to be on private property and they refuse to leave, one can call the police to deal with the person. The pool is privately owned by the condo owners: it is not open to the public.

My neighborhood pool has problems with young teens/tweens trying to walk in even though they are not members. They have been asked to leave and if they don’t, the police have been called. It’s a group of white kids doing this, so there is no racism involved on the part of the diverse staff and membership of the pool.

+1. I’m on our neighborhood pool board. We are not a HOA and you have to buy memberships. Every year, there are groups of teens/ tweens who try to come in without memberships. More often than not, they’ve been told the rules in previous years and their parents definitely know. If memory serves, we’ve had to call the non emergency police twice in the past five years because they got belligerent when asked to leave.

That's not what happened here though. These people were guests of a resident.

But the question of whether the resident owner had permission to bring that many guests on that day has not been answered. If there was no permission for that many guests at one time on that day, then they were there without permission and therefore, trespassing.

Had permission been granted by the HOA to the condo owner for this party on this day with this number of people?

Genius, you do not even know the rules of the HOA of this story. For all you know the resident does not need to seek permission. STOP MAKING UP THINGS.

I’ve never heard of an HOA that does not require permission to bring more that a few guests to their pool. It is a huge safety and liability issue to have too many people in the area around a pool at the same time.

They need to have the proper number of lifeguards to be eating the water and need to know to bring in extra staff when there will be extra people around the pool area.

Ugh, *watching* the water, not eating it.

Don't worry hon. Even with the grammar fix, your logic is totally illogical.

I get it, you want to call the cops anytime somebody annoys you. Good luck with that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The idea of private property just doesn’t exist on DCUM.

hahah good point.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The idea of private property just doesn’t exist on DCUM.

hahah good point.

DCUM thinks everything they can see is their own private property.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Who says that the guests are authorized to be there. What if the resident had pool privileges revoked and then goes to the pool with several guests? What do the lifeguards do when they refuse to leave?

These are not criminal matters. They are matters for the HOA to deal with and enforce.

My private pool has rules saying you can't run near the pool. If people violate that rule, they get a warning from the lifeguard. If they continue to violate that rule despite warnings, they could lose their membership. No one calls the police.

If they lose their membership, and continue to come to the pool somehow despite not being a member anymore, at that point I could see calling the cops for trespassing if given proper prior notice. But that's nothing like calling the cops for the first violation of private rules.

It's not a crime to fail to obey the rules of your HOA.

If someone is not authorized to be on private property and they refuse to leave, one can call the police to deal with the person. The pool is privately owned by the condo owners: it is not open to the public.

My neighborhood pool has problems with young teens/tweens trying to walk in even though they are not members. They have been asked to leave and if they don’t, the police have been called. It’s a group of white kids doing this, so there is no racism involved on the part of the diverse staff and membership of the pool.

+1. I’m on our neighborhood pool board. We are not a HOA and you have to buy memberships. Every year, there are groups of teens/ tweens who try to come in without memberships. More often than not, they’ve been told the rules in previous years and their parents definitely know. If memory serves, we’ve had to call the non emergency police twice in the past five years because they got belligerent when asked to leave.

That's not what happened here though. These people were guests of a resident.

But the question of whether the resident owner had permission to bring that many guests on that day has not been answered. If there was no permission for that many guests at one time on that day, then they were there without permission and therefore, trespassing.

Had permission been granted by the HOA to the condo owner for this party on this day with this number of people?

Genius, you do not even know the rules of the HOA of this story. For all you know the resident does not need to seek permission. STOP MAKING UP THINGS.

I’ve never heard of an HOA that does not require permission to bring more that a few guests to their pool. It is a huge safety and liability issue to have too many people in the area around a pool at the same time.

They need to have the proper number of lifeguards to be eating the water and need to know to bring in extra staff when there will be extra people around the pool area.

Ugh, *watching* the water, not eating it.

Don't worry hon. Even with the grammar fix, your logic is totally illogical.

I get it, you want to call the cops anytime somebody annoys you. Good luck with that.

Well, a typo fix is not a grammar fix. And it is logical to follow rules that are in place to keep people, and especially children, safe.

Have you ever been a lifeguard? Do you know what is involved in keeping a pool area safe? Do you know changes need to be made when you change the number of people using a pool area?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Under no circumstance does any reasonable person think its reasonable for 1-2 "owners" to have 30 guests in a shared owner space. Imagine if every owner did that.

These people were WAY out of line and they either know it and don't care, or are THAT clueless about acceptable public behavior.

I have no doubt that the 30 of them who thought this was totally cool to do were making a huge disturbance at the pool.

Not true. We have a soccer field in our neighborhood and often a homeowner invites 30 people to the field to play soccer.

People also have parties at our park... 30 would be fine.

I would not even know if people at the pool are guests since the pool is so crowded.

Under no circumstance does anybody reasonable person thing 1 crazy owner has the right to call the police on a civil matter.

You’re talking about public parks in your examples here. The case we’re talking about took place at a private pool at a condo building. Not public, but privately owned by the owners of the condos. Completely different from a public park.

No, I'm not. It's private property.

How is it private property? Who owns it? Is it a private soccer league?

The safety and liability issues around a soccer field are very different than those involved with a pool area. There have been a number of cases in just the past year of children drowning in pools at parties, even with adults nearby. Pool safety is nothing to be cavalier about.

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I’ve never heard of an HOA that does not require permission to bring more that a few guests to their pool. It is a huge safety and liability issue to have too many people in the area around a pool at the same time.

They need to have the proper number of lifeguards to be eating the water and need to know to bring in extra staff when there will be extra people around the pool area.

I totally agree with you, but in this specific situation there is no indication that there was any lifeguard on duty or anyone checking people and guests into and out of the pool. Even if there had been the remedy was a private one, not to call the police. You call the police when you have belief someone is committing a crime, not when someone isn't following the rules in their own home or jointly owned property.

The resident who invited guests to her jointly owned pool wasn't some stranger. She was a property owner with ties to the area because she owned property there. There are ways of dealing with people you own property with -- it is called a Homeowners' Association.

[Anonymous]

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I’ve never heard of an HOA that does not require permission to bring more that a few guests to their pool. It is a huge safety and liability issue to have too many people in the area around a pool at the same time.

They need to have the proper number of lifeguards to be eating the water and need to know to bring in extra staff when there will be extra people around the pool area.

I totally agree with you, but in this specific situation there is no indication that there was any lifeguard on duty or anyone checking people and guests into and out of the pool. Even if there had been the remedy was a private one, not to call the police. You call the police when you have belief someone is committing a crime, not when someone isn't following the rules in their own home or jointly owned property.

The resident who invited guests to her jointly owned pool wasn't some stranger. She was a property owner with ties to the area because she owned property there. There are ways of dealing with people you own property with -- it is called a Homeowners' Association.

Yes, but if they weren’t following the rules, they needed to leave. Taking it up with the HOA isn’t going to do anything to help the situation in that moment. Fining the owner after the fact doesn’t help the here and now situation of there being too many kids in the pool- especially if no lifeguard is on duty. That would be a liability issue for the HOA if someone were to get hurt. And none of us want a child to be in a possibly dangerous situation around water.

My HOA’s pool staff call the police at least once every year or two when people who are there without permission refuse to leave. They have all been white kids, so no mention of racism was made.

And I wouldn’t even think of bringing 30 people to my pool without filling out the paperwork in advance. There’s no way it’s a good idea to have 30 people around an HOA pool with no lifeguards on duty. That is just a bad idea all around.