Schools splitting from large ineffective school systems - could the 4 Ws split from MCPS?

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Half of bethesda with kids already is in private or parochial. and it's not because they're trust fund families, it's because they had an open mind about MCPS and were excited at some point, but no longer are

I don't know that it is as high as half but there are a good number of kids in privates that would not be there if the W schools were separate. We lost a lot of kids to private with the exploding class sizes and curriculum 2.0.

Oh and I’m sure the recovering economy had nothing at all to do with that.

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Anonymous wrote:You need to deal with your entitlement and racism. You cannot build a rich, majority White Island.

why not

it already exists Bethesda, Potomac in MD, Ward 3 and Capitol Hill in DC, and North Arlington, McLean in Virginia

All high SES with high performing schools and majority white with some asian and some high SES URM

truth hit too close to home DCUM???? lolz and yall call yourselves progressives..... smh

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Anonymous wrote:This really has nothing to do with illegal immigration. MCPS would love for you to believe that its problems are just because of illegal immigrants. Its failing all students.

Two-way swing with the Montgomery County ever-increasing illegals and anchor baby debacle. Poor performers + Take more $$$ per head.

1) The hispanic FARMs cohort is the lower performing cohort in the county. doesn't help that their parent(s) are unskilled, uneducated and illiterate in any language.

2) More and more money gets shoveled at them trying to be their mothers, doctors, counselors, dentists, 24/7 food providers, ESOL teachers, and then maybe learn some math or reading before middle school. MS is when the pregnancy and drop-out rates skyrocket.

You are officially a self-entitled meanspirited parent here. An educated Populace serves us ALL, thus the children are being educated. I cant believe you are not in an alt Right group or swinging for Betsy Devos with the statements you are making.

DP here. In order for us to come up with a solution, we need to accept all facts. Nothing stated by the person you are responding to is untrue although they could've said it a nicer way. I think majority of us agree that we want an educated populace but in order to come up with solutions on how to achieve this, let's evaluate the data. Let's evaluate where we are spending the money and why.

Whoa there! It is certainly untrue that immigrants are all unskilled, uneducated, and illiterate. It is untrue that pregnancy and dropout rates skyrocket in middle school (?!). Hyperbole gets us nowhere here.

I missed something. Who said that immigrants are uneducated and illiterate?

I think the PP was talking about ILLEGAL immigrants.

As a legal immigrant, I would like to highlight that there IS a difference.

I bolded it for you. That's who I was responding to. It's hard to tell who the person is referring to because of the word salad that precedes it "Two-way swing with the Montgomery County ever-increasing illegals and anchor baby debacle." If you would like to assert that all hispanics -- or even all undocumented hispanics -- are unskilled, uneducated, and illiterate, you are engaging in hyperbole.

You can bold whatever you want, it's still pretty clear to everyone (by the sentence above your bold) that they were talking about illegal immigrants (not legal immigrants). I really hope you understand that it is a difference and that legal immigrants take offense when you lump everyone together. Please be more sensitive to this.

agree: Illegal immigrants are a two-way negative swing for MoCo
agree: Hispanics' cohort score the lowest on all standardized tests. String out the legal hispanic diplomat/corp exec kids and the illegals' scores would be even more dismal.

[Anonymous]

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Folks, the best way to get your voice heard is to write a note to your school's principal stating that your child will not be sitting for any MAP or PARCC tests until the school addresses X, Y and Z which your student needs.

Don't let your kid be a pawn juicing PARCC test scores so more funds come in and get funneled away from your kid.


And if you really want an eye-opening experience, go tour a few parochial, montessori and independent schools near your house to better compare education options in 2018. Just take notes on all the things MCPS could be doing.

Several parents at our school tried to organize to do just this. They were told that MCPS has a four week window for PARCC and your child will be tested without your permission. You would have to keep your child out for four weeks which is right at the window to where you would need to de-enroll your child. I have no idea whether the school can really force your child to take the test but MCPS was pretty heavy handed with parents that wanted to sit out the tests.

alternatively you could tell your kid to throw the test. it's not needed for grades nor graduation. maybe if you'd seriously consider turning your life upside down for a magnet program option.

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Anonymous wrote:This really has nothing to do with illegal immigration. MCPS would love for you to believe that its problems are just because of illegal immigrants. Its failing all students.

Two-way swing with the Montgomery County ever-increasing illegals and anchor baby debacle. Poor performers + Take more $$$ per head.

1) The hispanic FARMs cohort is the lower performing cohort in the county. doesn't help that their parent(s) are unskilled, uneducated and illiterate in any language.

2) More and more money gets shoveled at them trying to be their mothers, doctors, counselors, dentists, 24/7 food providers, ESOL teachers, and then maybe learn some math or reading before middle school. MS is when the pregnancy and drop-out rates skyrocket.

You are officially a self-entitled meanspirited parent here. An educated Populace serves us ALL, thus the children are being educated. I cant believe you are not in an alt Right group or swinging for Betsy Devos with the statements you are making.

DP here. In order for us to come up with a solution, we need to accept all facts. Nothing stated by the person you are responding to is untrue although they could've said it a nicer way. I think majority of us agree that we want an educated populace but in order to come up with solutions on how to achieve this, let's evaluate the data. Let's evaluate where we are spending the money and why.

Whoa there! It is certainly untrue that immigrants are all unskilled, uneducated, and illiterate. It is untrue that pregnancy and dropout rates skyrocket in middle school (?!). Hyperbole gets us nowhere here.

I missed something. Who said that immigrants are uneducated and illiterate?

I think the PP was talking about ILLEGAL immigrants.

As a legal immigrant, I would like to highlight that there IS a difference.

I bolded it for you. That's who I was responding to. It's hard to tell who the person is referring to because of the word salad that precedes it "Two-way swing with the Montgomery County ever-increasing illegals and anchor baby debacle." If you would like to assert that all hispanics -- or even all undocumented hispanics -- are unskilled, uneducated, and illiterate, you are engaging in hyperbole.

You can bold whatever you want, it's still pretty clear to everyone (by the sentence above your bold) that they were talking about illegal immigrants (not legal immigrants). I really hope you understand that it is a difference and that legal immigrants take offense when you lump everyone together. Please be more sensitive to this.

Just so we're clear, are you saying that all *undocumented* immigrants are unskilled, uneducated, and illiterate? Because it sure sounds like that.

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Anonymous wrote:This really has nothing to do with illegal immigration. MCPS would love for you to believe that its problems are just because of illegal immigrants. Its failing all students.

Two-way swing with the Montgomery County ever-increasing illegals and anchor baby debacle. Poor performers + Take more $$$ per head.

1) The hispanic FARMs cohort is the lower performing cohort in the county. doesn't help that their parent(s) are unskilled, uneducated and illiterate in any language.

2) More and more money gets shoveled at them trying to be their mothers, doctors, counselors, dentists, 24/7 food providers, ESOL teachers, and then maybe learn some math or reading before middle school. MS is when the pregnancy and drop-out rates skyrocket.

You are officially a self-entitled meanspirited parent here. An educated Populace serves us ALL, thus the children are being educated. I cant believe you are not in an alt Right group or swinging for Betsy Devos with the statements you are making.

DP here. In order for us to come up with a solution, we need to accept all facts. Nothing stated by the person you are responding to is untrue although they could've said it a nicer way. I think majority of us agree that we want an educated populace but in order to come up with solutions on how to achieve this, let's evaluate the data. Let's evaluate where we are spending the money and why.

Whoa there! It is certainly untrue that immigrants are all unskilled, uneducated, and illiterate. It is untrue that pregnancy and dropout rates skyrocket in middle school (?!). Hyperbole gets us nowhere here.

I missed something. Who said that immigrants are uneducated and illiterate?

I think the PP was talking about ILLEGAL immigrants.

As a legal immigrant, I would like to highlight that there IS a difference.

I bolded it for you. That's who I was responding to. It's hard to tell who the person is referring to because of the word salad that precedes it "Two-way swing with the Montgomery County ever-increasing illegals and anchor baby debacle." If you would like to assert that all hispanics -- or even all undocumented hispanics -- are unskilled, uneducated, and illiterate, you are engaging in hyperbole.

You can bold whatever you want, it's still pretty clear to everyone (by the sentence above your bold) that they were talking about illegal immigrants (not legal immigrants). I really hope you understand that it is a difference and that legal immigrants take offense when you lump everyone together. Please be more sensitive to this.

agree: Illegal immigrants are a two-way negative swing for MoCo
agree: Hispanics' cohort score the lowest on all standardized tests. String out the legal hispanic diplomat/corp exec kids and the illegals' scores would be even more dismal.

Literally evil. Really this is ALT RIGHT talk. What about Dreamers? Many of the kids are NOT illegal. I cannot understand people like you at all. You would step on a child to lift your own child up.

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The kids getting “stepped on” are the middle class and upper middle class kids who probably get $2-4K less spent on them per head than illegal immigrants, anchor baby kids and refugees. By that is how it goes in big liberal sanctuary counties. I mean, why wouldn’t you come here with your kids, cousins and aunts?

[Anonymous]

2017 MCPS annual report, includes test scores by grade level, by cohort (white, AA, Hispanic). Very easy to read power point. Nothing racist about it. Just the results.

http://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/annualreport/2017/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The kids getting “stepped on” are the middle class and upper middle class kids who probably get $2-4K less spent on them per head than illegal immigrants, anchor baby kids and refugees. By that is how it goes in big liberal sanctuary counties. I mean, why wouldn’t you come here with your kids, cousins and aunts?

Here's a question to you, in all seriousness. Do you think hospitals should spend as much money on healthy people as on sick people? If they have an extra $2-$4K, should they spend it making perfectly healthy people even healthier, or should they use it to improve the condition of people who actually have a problem? This is how it sounds to me when people say schools should spend the same amount on kids who are already doing great as on kids who have to learn all the basics while also learning English.

And there's money to go around. MCPS is one of the top 4 in the country in spending per pupil in large districts, just under NYC, Boston, and Baltimore, at $15,400 (data 7 years old): http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/washington-area-spends-big-bucks-on-its-students/article/2530227

For all those who complain about "sanctuaries," "anchor babies," etc., please remember that this is literally none of the school district's business. They are not legally allowed to ask about legal status. They legally must educate every child in the jurisdiction.

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Speaking of sensitivity, please be sensitive to the socio-economic border wall that the OP suggests. Regardless of immigration status, your new school district is designed to keep working class immigrants out of your school system. Without the legal/illegal comparison there is still plenty of differentiation going on regarding immigration.

Filtering by social class is such an easy and broad filter to keep out people you consider undesirable. Keep trying!

There is nothing stopping anyone from buying in Potomac/Bethesda. Working class immigrants are welcome here. They just have to pay the same housing prices as everyone else that lives in the area. Not having the money to afford the house or apt is not the same thing as not being welcomed. Show up with the money and the door will swing wide open.

Woah dear...why are you spinning this like people want to move to Bethesda/Potomac? This is about the clear perimeter drawn to separate Bethedsa et al from the rest of the county along socio economic lines.

Who cares what you want when you don’t have options or anything to offer.

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Speaking of sensitivity, please be sensitive to the socio-economic border wall that the OP suggests. Regardless of immigration status, your new school district is designed to keep working class immigrants out of your school system. Without the legal/illegal comparison there is still plenty of differentiation going on regarding immigration.

Filtering by social class is such an easy and broad filter to keep out people you consider undesirable. Keep trying!

There is nothing stopping anyone from buying in Potomac/Bethesda. Working class immigrants are welcome here. They just have to pay the same housing prices as everyone else that lives in the area. Not having the money to afford the house or apt is not the same thing as not being welcomed. Show up with the money and the door will swing wide open.

Woah dear...why are you spinning this like people want to move to Bethesda/Potomac? This is about the clear perimeter drawn to separate Bethedsa et al from the rest of the county along socio economic lines.

Who cares what you want when you don’t have options or anything to offer.

This isn't about what I want...this is about the OP’s fantasy perimeter; however, I do want this thread to keep going...it reads like a disjointed dystopian fanfiction piece with all the interesting tangents.

[Anonymous]

Raise your hand if you know that Montgomery County's public school system was segregated, by law, into the 1960s.

Raise your hand if you know people who attended Montgomery County's segregated public schools.

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Anonymous wrote:The kids getting “stepped on” are the middle class and upper middle class kids who probably get $2-4K less spent on them per head than illegal immigrants, anchor baby kids and refugees. By that is how it goes in big liberal sanctuary counties. I mean, why wouldn’t you come here with your kids, cousins and aunts?

Here's a question to you, in all seriousness. Do you think hospitals should spend as much money on healthy people as on sick people? If they have an extra $2-$4K, should they spend it making perfectly healthy people even healthier, or should they use it to improve the condition of people who actually have a problem? This is how it sounds to me when people say schools should spend the same amount on kids who are already doing great as on kids who have to learn all the basics while also learning English.

And there's money to go around. MCPS is one of the top 4 in the country in spending per pupil in large districts, just under NYC, Boston, and Baltimore, at $15,400 (data 7 years old): http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/washington-area-spends-big-bucks-on-its-students/article/2530227

For all those who complain about "sanctuaries," "anchor babies," etc., please remember that this is literally none of the school district's business. They are not legally allowed to ask about legal status. They legally must educate every child in the jurisdiction.

And guess what? While we may spend extra on certain populations - and this is true b/c of federal funding for academic intervention - the gap is still the gap.

translation: Money doesn't always talk.

Factor in the Code of Conduct next, which only enables kids to behave poorly.

So when many "middle of the road" kids can't learn b/c classes are too large and teachers are forced to cater to struggling and challenging kids, then yes, I'm opposed to this BS. The majority of kids ignored fall in the middle. And guess what? These are the kids who will be paying into the system to support our asses when we're in wheelchairs. I'd rather spend money pushing them b/c they're ready and eager to learn.

Furthermore, where's the gap? certainly not at any W school . . . So if you truly want "equity," take every low performer and every behavioral problem and bus them to all of the W schools and to those schools that remain "untouched." They certainly won't be considered "W" for much longer then, eh?

That's equity.

See? It's not so easy, especially when you have many kids with gaps that are masked by language barriers.

[Anonymous]

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translation: Money doesn't always talk.

And cutting funding would accomplish what?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The kids getting “stepped on” are the middle class and upper middle class kids who probably get $2-4K less spent on them per head than illegal immigrants, anchor baby kids and refugees. By that is how it goes in big liberal sanctuary counties. I mean, why wouldn’t you come here with your kids, cousins and aunts?

Here's a question to you, in all seriousness. Do you think hospitals should spend as much money on healthy people as on sick people? If they have an extra $2-$4K, should they spend it making perfectly healthy people even healthier, or should they use it to improve the condition of people who actually have a problem? This is how it sounds to me when people say schools should spend the same amount on kids who are already doing great as on kids who have to learn all the basics while also learning English.

And there's money to go around. MCPS is one of the top 4 in the country in spending per pupil in large districts, just under NYC, Boston, and Baltimore, at $15,400 (data 7 years old): http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/washington-area-spends-big-bucks-on-its-students/article/2530227

For all those who complain about "sanctuaries," "anchor babies," etc., please remember that this is literally none of the school district's business. They are not legally allowed to ask about legal status. They legally must educate every child in the jurisdiction.

Of course, I think everyone agrees that the school districts must legally educate every child regardless of legal status. The problem is that this state has made it very welcoming to illegal immigrants forcing MCPS to utilize significant resources to educate them, feed them, support them, etc. Unfortunately despite these efforts, the achievement gap still exists and will continue to exist.