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agree to disagree on the benefits of being in a diverse environment. I really don't see any benefits from diversity sorry the focus is on getting the best education for my kid, going to a top 25 school and getting a high paying job. Diversity doesn't help with any of that it actually hurts because overall cohort quality goes down.

Shooting for a top 25 college. Much better chance of making it going to a school with top kids vs average or below average. You need to be challenged and have better teachers and resources and rigor and breadth of courses to pick from. This really comes out in high school where many average or below average schools don't offer many APs or have the breadth of classes at better schools.

Not really. Probably your best bet for a top 25 college is to quit your jobs, move your family to rural Idaho, and farm rutabagas or some such. And then your kid would provide the diversity. From the point of view of the "top 25 colleges", one MCPS kid must look much like any other MCPS kid.

Also, while your focus may be to send your kid to school with lots of kids from families like yours, going to a "top 25 college", and getting a high-paying job -- your kid's goals and desires may be different.

You seem to see diversity as an either/or issue. Either you can get a good education and fit into your parents' life plans for you, or you can go to school with kids who are different from you. But it's not an either/or issue.

Thanks for being a logical poster on DCUM. Sadly it's rare. Your points are all valid and I can partially agree with them. At the end of the day I still don't see diversity as being a net positive. When faced with a choice between a school that is diverse vs a school that is full of high caliber kids I think its pretty clear which one to pick. From my experience the better schools generally are going to be higher SES and have lower levels of diversity being primarily white and or Asian which is just a factor of SES not that certain races are better than others.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Thanks for being a logical poster on DCUM. Sadly it's rare. Your points are all valid and I can partially agree with them. At the end of the day I still don't see diversity as being a net positive. When faced with a choice between a school that is diverse vs a school that is full of high caliber kids I think its pretty clear which one to pick. From my experience the better schools generally are going to be higher SES and have lower levels of diversity being primarily white and or Asian which is just a factor of SES not that certain races are better than others.

Think about what you're implying here, maybe?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Thanks for being a logical poster on DCUM. Sadly it's rare. Your points are all valid and I can partially agree with them. At the end of the day I still don't see diversity as being a net positive. When faced with a choice between a school that is diverse vs a school that is full of high caliber kids I think its pretty clear which one to pick. From my experience the better schools generally are going to be higher SES and have lower levels of diversity being primarily white and or Asian which is just a factor of SES not that certain races are better than others.

Think about what you're implying here, maybe?

Please - that poster knows exactly what they are implying. Don't bother with someone who places values like "high caliber" on another human being. He/she is just another insecure worker bee who wants to train their child to be a high-paying cog in the wheel, the biggest rodent in the rat race. He/she wants their kid to get a high paying job. No thought of raising a child to be a positive contributor to society who follows their dreams, remains independent and has a solid sense of themselves as a global citizen who lives in a world populated by people with like AND differing experiences, backgrounds, goals, and cultures. People like that poster is hell bent on being top dog as if that, in the long run, means something. IT DOESN'T.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Thanks for being a logical poster on DCUM. Sadly it's rare. Your points are all valid and I can partially agree with them. At the end of the day I still don't see diversity as being a net positive. When faced with a choice between a school that is diverse vs a school that is full of high caliber kids I think its pretty clear which one to pick. From my experience the better schools generally are going to be higher SES and have lower levels of diversity being primarily white and or Asian which is just a factor of SES not that certain races are better than others.

Think about what you're implying here, maybe?

Please - that poster knows exactly what they are implying. Don't bother with someone who places values like "high caliber" on another human being. He/she is just another insecure worker bee who wants to train their child to be a high-paying cog in the wheel, the biggest rodent in the rat race. He/she wants their kid to get a high paying job. No thought of raising a child to be a positive contributor to society who follows their dreams, remains independent and has a solid sense of themselves as a global citizen who lives in a world populated by people with like AND differing experiences, backgrounds, goals, and cultures. People like that poster is hell bent on being top dog as if that, in the long run, means something. IT DOESN'T.

I see your point of view however I would call myself a realistic capitalist and I would call you an naive liberal

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

agree to disagree on the benefits of being in a diverse environment. I really don't see any benefits from diversity sorry the focus is on getting the best education for my kid, going to a top 25 school and getting a high paying job. Diversity doesn't help with any of that it actually hurts because overall cohort quality goes down.

Shooting for a top 25 college. Much better chance of making it going to a school with top kids vs average or below average. You need to be challenged and have better teachers and resources and rigor and breadth of courses to pick from. This really comes out in high school where many average or below average schools don't offer many APs or have the breadth of classes at better schools.

Not really. Probably your best bet for a top 25 college is to quit your jobs, move your family to rural Idaho, and farm rutabagas or some such. And then your kid would provide the diversity. From the point of view of the "top 25 colleges", one MCPS kid must look much like any other MCPS kid.

Also, while your focus may be to send your kid to school with lots of kids from families like yours, going to a "top 25 college", and getting a high-paying job -- your kid's goals and desires may be different.

You seem to see diversity as an either/or issue. Either you can get a good education and fit into your parents' life plans for you, or you can go to school with kids who are different from you. But it's not an either/or issue.

Thanks for being a logical poster on DCUM. Sadly it's rare. Your points are all valid and I can partially agree with them. At the end of the day I still don't see diversity as being a net positive. When faced with a choice between a school that is diverse vs a school that is full of high caliber kids I think its pretty clear which one to pick. From my experience the better schools generally are going to be higher SES and have lower levels of diversity being primarily white and or Asian which is just a factor of SES not that certain races are better than others.

Fully agreed.

Diversity is great as long as it's not used to truly mean "worse"

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

I see your point of view however I would call myself a realistic capitalist and I would call you an naive liberal

DP. Eh. I think it's possible to believe that human beings have value as human beings and also be a realist and a supporter of free enterprise/free markets.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Fully agreed.

Diversity is great as long as it's not used to truly mean "worse"

Who uses it that way? I don't. Do you? "Diversity" and "worse" are different words that mean different things.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Thanks for being a logical poster on DCUM. Sadly it's rare. Your points are all valid and I can partially agree with them. At the end of the day I still don't see diversity as being a net positive. When faced with a choice between a school that is diverse vs a school that is full of high caliber kids I think its pretty clear which one to pick. From my experience the better schools generally are going to be higher SES and have lower levels of diversity being primarily white and or Asian which is just a factor of SES not that certain races are better than others.

Think about what you're implying here, maybe?

Please - that poster knows exactly what they are implying. Don't bother with someone who places values like "high caliber" on another human being. He/she is just another insecure worker bee who wants to train their child to be a high-paying cog in the wheel, the biggest rodent in the rat race. He/she wants their kid to get a high paying job. No thought of raising a child to be a positive contributor to society who follows their dreams, remains independent and has a solid sense of themselves as a global citizen who lives in a world populated by people with like AND differing experiences, backgrounds, goals, and cultures. People like that poster is hell bent on being top dog as if that, in the long run, means something. IT DOESN'T.

I see your point of view however I would call myself a realistic capitalist and I would call you an naive liberal

You assume a lot. Who says I am liberal. It is small minds that must put everyone in a neat little box and not allow them to be all of the complex, varying things that they are. I am far from naive and I am very realistic. I just realize I do not need to best my neighbor in order to be "successful", to feel confident and to contribute to the world.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I see your point of view however I would call myself a realistic capitalist and I would call you an naive liberal

DP. Eh. I think it's possible to believe that human beings have value as human beings and also be a realist and a supporter of free enterprise/free markets.

Thank You, signed the so-called naive liberal.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I see your point of view however I would call myself a realistic capitalist and I would call you an naive liberal

DP. Eh. I think it's possible to believe that human beings have value as human beings and also be a realist and a supporter of free enterprise/free markets.

Fair but I think most people, especially on DCUM who generally lean higher SES are going to do everything they can to ensure their offspring get the best educational opportunities and diversity is not a positive correlation if anything its a negative correlation.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I see your point of view however I would call myself a realistic capitalist and I would call you an naive liberal

DP. Eh. I think it's possible to believe that human beings have value as human beings and also be a realist and a supporter of free enterprise/free markets.

Fair but I think most people, especially on DCUM who generally lean higher SES are going to do everything they can to ensure their offspring get the best educational opportunities and diversity is not a positive correlation if anything its a negative correlation.

Those are YOUR priorities, choices, and values. They are not everybody's. I really wish that people on DCUM would stop generalizing from their priorities, choices, and values to everybody's.

Actually, you know what really helps people realize that different people have different priorities, choices, and values? Encountering a diversity of people.

[Anonymous]

Similar discussion occurring here about the AAP program

http://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/700782.page

My position is the same it is logical to want the best for your kid. It is illogical to pursue diversity especially since in many cases higher diversity = lower quality. If those were the choices a higher performing school vs a diverse school I challenge anyone who would honestly pick the more diverse school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Similar discussion occurring here about the AAP program

http://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/700782.page

My position is the same it is logical to want the best for your kid. It is illogical to pursue diversity especially since in many cases higher diversity = lower quality. If those were the choices a higher performing school vs a diverse school I challenge anyone who would honestly pick the more diverse school.

Because my child is just as likely to do well at both schools, I'll take the one that will offer him the benefits of learning with a diverse group of students.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Similar discussion occurring here about the AAP program

http://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/700782.page

My position is the same it is logical to want the best for your kid. It is illogical to pursue diversity especially since in many cases higher diversity = lower quality. If those were the choices a higher performing school vs a diverse school I challenge anyone who would honestly pick the more diverse school.

Because my child is just as likely to do well at both schools, I'll take the one that will offer him the benefits of learning with a diverse group of students.

Serious question at what point would you change your mind ESOL rate x FARMS rate x Test Scores being x percentage lower People attending college being x percent lower people attending elite colleges being x percent lower.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Similar discussion occurring here about the AAP program

http://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/700782.page

My position is the same it is logical to want the best for your kid. It is illogical to pursue diversity especially since in many cases higher diversity = lower quality. If those were the choices a higher performing school vs a diverse school I challenge anyone who would honestly pick the more diverse school.

Define: "The Best" , and explain how "diversity" somehow means you cannot have "the best"
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