Arlington has asked Virginia to rename Jefferson Davis Highway

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I would focus more on modern day racism in Arlington and the inequities that are afflicting the county, such as ghettoized affordable housing.

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Anonymous wrote:Jefferson Davis was not a Virginian, so why should Virginia celebrate him at all? If a French nationalist waged armed war against the rest of Europe in the name of white supremacy and it resulted in the deaths of hundreds of thousands (basically what Jefferson Davis did versus the US) then I absolutely would call him a traitor and liken him to Hitler.

Perhaps because Richmond was one of the capitols of the Confederate States of America and Davis was the President? You know, kind of like D.C. celebrating it's past presidents.

A defunct enemy country that only existed for a very bad cause for a brief but brutal 4 years and which has now been gone for 150 years. Should we put up a monument honoring Al Baghdadi, leader of ISIS? They are an enemy state as well.

Is Al Baghdadi the president of the CSA? Is the capitol of ISIS in Virginia?

Regardless of who he is president of or where his capitol is, WHY DO WE HONOR ENEMIES?

Has it still not sunk in to you that the CSA was an ENEMY OF THE UNITED STATES?

What you don't seem to get is he has NEVER been an enemy of Virgina or any of the states part of the CSA.

Learn your history!

I have read my history and it says the CSA was an enemy of the United States, it says the CSA crumbled and died 150 years ago and for 150 years Virginia has been part of the United States. You still seem to think the CSA is alive and well and refuse to accept history.

You still haven't given any historical time frame when Davis was an enemy of Virgina. Is that perhaps because he never was?

I said he was an enemy of the United States. Up to you and your delusions as to whether you consider Virginia to currently be part of the United States or not, but the history books all uniformly agree that it is in fact now a part of the United States, none of them seem to mention anything about the Confederates winning the battle or Virginia taking over or anything else that would magically flip the scenario to make him no longer an enemy of the United States.

I agree they were an enemy of the US. But that isn't what I asked, I asked when was Davis an enemy of Virginia. What you seem to be forgetting this is a Virginia issue, not a United States issue. The US could care less what name a state gives to a state highway. All the US cares about is the numbering system for US highways.

Learn more here - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Numbered_Highways

I already answered your question and you didn't respond. Davis was an enemy to black and enslaved Virginians. And their descendants. And all other freedom-loving Virginians.

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Anonymous wrote:I would focus more on modern day racism in Arlington and the inequities that are afflicting the county, such as ghettoized affordable housing.

Ghettoized is hardly accurate in a town where hundreds of affordable housing units are in Clarendon.

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Yes but Virginia is still a sovereign state that gets to name its roads after whoever it likes. "Get it?"

And Virginians have decided they don't want it anymore. Gone.

Actually that remains to be determined. Richmond could easily step in and forbid Arlington from removing the signs.

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Anonymous wrote:I already answered your question and you didn't respond. Davis was an enemy to black and enslaved Virginians. And their descendants. And all other freedom-loving Virginians.

Hard to tell who is asking what, but I'll assume you are actually a different person than the one with the enemy of the United States argument.

I will agree that anyone who was against slavery, including Virginians, most likely were an enemy of Davis or at the very least disagreed with his policy. But stand firm that Virgina as a state was not an enemy of Davis. All leaders have their home grown enemies, every US president included.

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Anonymous wrote:I already answered your question and you didn't respond. Davis was an enemy to black and enslaved Virginians. And their descendants. And all other freedom-loving Virginians.

Hard to tell who is asking what, but I'll assume you are actually a different person than the one with the enemy of the United States argument.

I will agree that anyone who was against slavery, including Virginians, most likely were an enemy of Davis or at the very least disagreed with his policy. But stand firm that Virgina as a state was not an enemy of Davis. All leaders have their home grown enemies, every US president included.

What is a state if you don't count its citizens?

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Anonymous wrote:I would focus more on modern day racism in Arlington and the inequities that are afflicting the county, such as ghettoized affordable housing.

Fortunately nobody has to make this decision. We can work on making long term shifts in our housing policy, that will take many years and dollars to solve, and also change the street signs next week.

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Yes but Virginia is still a sovereign state that gets to name its roads after whoever it likes. "Get it?"

And Virginians have decided they don't want it anymore. Gone.

Actually that remains to be determined. Richmond could easily step in and forbid Arlington from removing the signs.

But they won't. Why bite the hand that feeds you over something so simple?

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Anonymous wrote:I already answered your question and you didn't respond. Davis was an enemy to black and enslaved Virginians. And their descendants. And all other freedom-loving Virginians.

Hard to tell who is asking what, but I'll assume you are actually a different person than the one with the enemy of the United States argument.

I will agree that anyone who was against slavery, including Virginians, most likely were an enemy of Davis or at the very least disagreed with his policy. But stand firm that Virgina as a state was not an enemy of Davis. All leaders have their home grown enemies, every US president included.

What is a state if you don't count its citizens?

African Americans were not citizens at that time.

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Yes but Virginia is still a sovereign state that gets to name its roads after whoever it likes. "Get it?"

And Virginians have decided they don't want it anymore. Gone.

Actually that remains to be determined. Richmond could easily step in and forbid Arlington from removing the signs.

But they won't. Why bite the hand that feeds you over something so simple?

Lol. I'm not sure you quite u first and the power dynamic between Richmond and Arlington.

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Anonymous wrote:I already answered your question and you didn't respond. Davis was an enemy to black and enslaved Virginians. And their descendants. And all other freedom-loving Virginians.

Hard to tell who is asking what, but I'll assume you are actually a different person than the one with the enemy of the United States argument.

I will agree that anyone who was against slavery, including Virginians, most likely were an enemy of Davis or at the very least disagreed with his policy. But stand firm that Virgina as a state was not an enemy of Davis. All leaders have their home grown enemies, every US president included.

What is a state if you don't count its citizens?

There still counted, there just not united. Take any policy and you would be hard pressed not to find disagreement about it among the citizens. Disagreeing is not discounted.

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Anonymous wrote:Jefferson Davis was not a Virginian, so why should Virginia celebrate him at all? If a French nationalist waged armed war against the rest of Europe in the name of white supremacy and it resulted in the deaths of hundreds of thousands (basically what Jefferson Davis did versus the US) then I absolutely would call him a traitor and liken him to Hitler.

Perhaps because Richmond was one of the capitols of the Confederate States of America and Davis was the President? You know, kind of like D.C. celebrating it's past presidents.

A defunct enemy country that only existed for a very bad cause for a brief but brutal 4 years and which has now been gone for 150 years. Should we put up a monument honoring Al Baghdadi, leader of ISIS? They are an enemy state as well.

Is Al Baghdadi the president of the CSA? Is the capitol of ISIS in Virginia?

Regardless of who he is president of or where his capitol is, WHY DO WE HONOR ENEMIES?

Has it still not sunk in to you that the CSA was an ENEMY OF THE UNITED STATES?

What you don't seem to get is he has NEVER been an enemy of Virgina or any of the states part of the CSA.

Learn your history!

I have read my history and it says the CSA was an enemy of the United States, it says the CSA crumbled and died 150 years ago and for 150 years Virginia has been part of the United States. You still seem to think the CSA is alive and well and refuse to accept history.

You still haven't given any historical time frame when Davis was an enemy of Virgina. Is that perhaps because he never was?

Virginia AND Jefferson Davis were the enemy. And they LOST, remember? That means they no longer get to dictate who's the good guys and who's the bad guys. That debate was settled in blood 150 years ago. OVER. DONE. GET IT?

Yes but Virginia is still a sovereign state that gets to name its roads after whoever it likes. "Get it?"

The Commonwealth only retains naming rights over state roads. Arlington County renamed "Old Jeff Davis Highway" as Long Bridge Drive, because that was a local road, controlled by Arlington County (per Virginia law) Alexandria has the right to rename route from Jeff Davis Highway, because as a City it controls its own roads (except for access controlled highways) Arlington will of course need Virginia's permission to rename its section of route 1. Which is why they are requesting such permission.

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Anonymous wrote:I would focus more on modern day racism in Arlington and the inequities that are afflicting the county, such as ghettoized affordable housing.

Ghettoized is hardly accurate in a town where hundreds of affordable housing units are in Clarendon.

Mainly in one pocket, but there are exceptions, such as near Clarendon metro.

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Anonymous wrote:I would focus more on modern day racism in Arlington and the inequities that are afflicting the county, such as ghettoized affordable housing.

Fortunately nobody has to make this decision. We can work on making long term shifts in our housing policy, that will take many years and dollars to solve, and also change the street signs next week.

Next week?

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Yes but Virginia is still a sovereign state that gets to name its roads after whoever it likes. "Get it?"

And Virginians have decided they don't want it anymore. Gone.

Actually three members of the Arlington County Board decided they do not want the name and adopted changing the name as part of its requests to the commonwealth's legislature.