You still haven't given any historical time frame when Davis was an enemy of Virgina. Is that perhaps because he never was? |
I said he was an enemy of the United States. Up to you and your delusions as to whether you consider Virginia to currently be part of the United States or not, but the history books all uniformly agree that it is in fact now a part of the United States, none of them seem to mention anything about the Confederates winning the battle or Virginia taking over or anything else that would magically flip the scenario to make him no longer an enemy of the United States. |
Virginia AND Jefferson Davis were the enemy. And they LOST, remember? That means they no longer get to dictate who's the good guys and who's the bad guys. That debate was settled in blood 150 years ago. OVER. DONE. GET IT? |
He was an enemy to black and enslaved Virginians. Don't they count? |
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I agree they were an enemy of the US. But that isn't what I asked, I asked when was Davis an enemy of Virginia. What you seem to be forgetting this is a Virginia issue, not a United States issue. The US could care less what name a state gives to a state highway. All the US cares about is the numbering system for US highways. Learn more here - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Numbered_Highways |
I don't think anyone caress about your question. All Virginians (except for immigrants) are Americans. He may not have betrayed the Commonwealth, but he betrayed the country we all pledge allegiance to. |
It's not a Virginia issue either. Virginia DOT delegated it, and makes street signage the responsibility of any municipality of over 3,500 people. Arlington can change it to Mickey Mouse Boulevard tomorrow if they want to. And you know what? It's still going to be the same numbered route regardless of whether it's called Jeff Davis Highway or Mickey Mouse Boulevard, and BOTH the name AND the number will be there for anyone looking for signs. And you know what else? The locals will be able to find their way around regardless of what it's called, and for those who aren't local, most car GPS receivers and mapping software can handle route number vs. street name vs. alternative name and they will also get to where they need to be just fine. So in short there's really no real or meaningful problem with Arlington changing it if they want to. |
Bingo. But I would qualify that with "he may not have betrayed the white people sympathetic to the Confederacy in the Commonwealth of Virginia within the context of pre-1865 times" but ever since then, with the Union coming back together, it represents a betrayal to all. A PP has pointed out that black slaves in Virginia certainly were betrayed by and not represented by Davis, but I'd also point out that there is historical evidence that not all free white Virginians were necessarily sympathetic to Davis and the Confederacy, either. |
If this indeed is the case (the municipality is responsible for the naming), how the heck did this end up happening? Who in Arlington voted to make this.l change? I think raises more questions about the origins of the sign, especially considering that Arlington reps can't deflect blame on the yahoos in Richmond. |
| ^ I'd say screw the yahoos in Richmond and just do it. It's 2015, not 1865! |
The road sign wasn't put up by the United States, it was put up by Virginia. Not sure why you thing that any state memorials need to comply with federal preferences. |
Yes but Virginia is still a sovereign state that gets to name its roads after whoever it likes. "Get it?" |
And Virginians have decided they don't want it anymore. Gone. |
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