Arlington has asked Virginia to rename Jefferson Davis Highway

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Anonymous wrote:Ridiculous. Whsy shall we change Washington DC and Washington state to next? Jefferson Memorial and Washington Monument names to be changed next? Washington and Let University, UVA founded by Jefferson, Library of Congress. Some of you have gone from the Ridiculous to the sublime

Anyone who tries to defend Jeff Davis with the stupid faulty analogy to Washington or Jefferson is obviously an idiot.

Actually if you compare Washington and Davis they had similar backgrounds. The major difference being one was on the winning side of war and the other was not.

Lol yup. If the revolutionaries had lost the war and we are still part of the British commonwealth we'd probably treat Washington like Guy Fawks. You'd have libs yelling on these forums that he was a slave owning racist that only inbreds want to remember.

In other words, if we were patriotic British, we would not like George Washington.

Well guess what? We are patriotic AMERICANS. It's not just a matter of winning or losing. it is a matter of which country we belong to, who were the people who defended us, and who were the people who went to war with us. How can you be so thick as to not understand it.

Virginians are Virginians in addition to being Americans. They can be proud if both their national and state history. Their state history includes NOT being part of the Union during the civil war.

A significant number of Virginians (even excluding West Virginia, and black Virginians) supported and fought for the Union. Some did so in the Loudoun Rangers, a pro union partisan group, and some did so by joining regiments raised in Maryland.


Of course many black Virginians fought for the Union.

It is to be presumed that none of these Virginians recognized the legality of secession. Ergo, to them, Virginia did not leave the Union during the civil war. Rather the Richmond legislature engaged in illegal acts.

The legality of secession was not determined by the Supreme Court until 1869. The Virginians who fought for the north could be considered to be "traitors" to Virginia in the same way that some consider Jeff Davis a "traitor" to the union.

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The name is idiotic. Can't say i care that much though. It kinda makes me laugh every time I see it (and be grateful I no longer live in VA). I think they should keep the name. It's like a helpful reminder of "there be assholes" on the map.

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Some people just like to be argumentative. No one is actively going to try to keep the name.

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Anonymous wrote:Some people just like to be argumentative. No one is actively going to try to keep the name.

There are sadly still lots of delusional people actively trying to keep the Confederate flag as a pre-eminent symbol, so I'm not so sure there aren't people out there still looking to celebrate Jefferson Davis as one of their major heroes.

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Anonymous wrote:The name is idiotic. Can't say i care that much though. It kinda makes me laugh every time I see it (and be grateful I no longer live in VA). I think they should keep the name. It's like a helpful reminder of "there be assholes" on the map.

It works well as a lib repellent if you ask me! Kind of like spraying your backyard with DEET. Merry Christmas!

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Anonymous wrote:Some people just like to be argumentative. No one is actively going to try to keep the name.

Takes two sides to be an argument.

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Anonymous wrote:Virginians are Virginians in addition to being Americans. They can be proud if both their national and state history. Their state history includes NOT being part of the Union during the civil war.

in what way are you proud of the fact that Virginia seceded?

In the face of daunting odds they stood up for what they believed was right. Now no one today would agree with their cause, but that was a different era when the proper answer wasn't so clear. Especially considering the right thing to do meant the ruin of many of those in power. Economically wise, you could compare it to losing half your property and doubling the minimum wage. Many a person has decided on their pocket book over doing the right thing.

You just described any revolutionary on the planet. No one starts a civil war believing they are wrong.

Joseph Stalin thought he was doing the right thing.

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Anonymous wrote:Virginians are Virginians in addition to being Americans. They can be proud if both their national and state history. Their state history includes NOT being part of the Union during the civil war.

in what way are you proud of the fact that Virginia seceded?

In the face of daunting odds they stood up for what they believed was right. Now no one today would agree with their cause, but that was a different era when the proper answer wasn't so clear. Especially considering the right thing to do meant the ruin of many of those in power. Economically wise, you could compare it to losing half your property and doubling the minimum wage. Many a person has decided on their pocket book over doing the right thing.

You just described any revolutionary on the planet. No one starts a civil war believing they are wrong.

Joseph Stalin thought he was doing the right thing.

In many respects Stalin was doing the right thing. The brutal means in which he chose to achieve those things was his historical scar.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/timelines/z8nbcdm

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Anonymous wrote:The name is idiotic. Can't say i care that much though. It kinda makes me laugh every time I see it (and be grateful I no longer live in VA). I think they should keep the name. It's like a helpful reminder of "there be assholes" on the map.

It works well as a lib repellent if you ask me! Kind of like spraying your backyard with DEET. Merry Christmas!

Lib repellent? LMAO! Have you been paying attention at all? Best way to get libs swarming around like angry hornets is to trot out some neo-Confederate claptrap.

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Anonymous wrote:Virginians are Virginians in addition to being Americans. They can be proud if both their national and state history. Their state history includes NOT being part of the Union during the civil war.

in what way are you proud of the fact that Virginia seceded?

In the face of daunting odds they stood up for what they believed was right. Now no one today would agree with their cause, but that was a different era when the proper answer wasn't so clear. Especially considering the right thing to do meant the ruin of many of those in power. Economically wise, you could compare it to losing half your property and doubling the minimum wage. Many a person has decided on their pocket book over doing the right thing.

You just described any revolutionary on the planet. No one starts a civil war believing they are wrong.

Joseph Stalin thought he was doing the right thing.

Hitler also thought he was doing the right thing when he gassed millions. Same with Pol Pot when he killed 1.5 million Cambodians.

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Anonymous wrote:Hitler also thought he was doing the right thing when he gassed millions. Same with Pol Pot when he killed 1.5 million Cambodians.

Here we go again, trying to compare ethnic cleansing to a civil war mostly due to economics.

You really are desperate.

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Anonymous wrote:Hitler also thought he was doing the right thing when he gassed millions. Same with Pol Pot when he killed 1.5 million Cambodians.

Here we go again, trying to compare ethnic cleansing to a civil war mostly due to economics.

You really are desperate.

The pp is not desperate. It is reasonable to point out that lots of people think they are doing the right thing, and that alone does not make them worthy of praise. A pp made the statement that we should honor the CSA because they thought they were doing the right thing. So what, we know they were doing the wrong thing. So we don't need to praise them.

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Anonymous wrote:Virginians are Virginians in addition to being Americans. They can be proud if both their national and state history. Their state history includes NOT being part of the Union during the civil war.

in what way are you proud of the fact that Virginia seceded?

In the face of daunting odds they stood up for what they believed was right. Now no one today would agree with their cause, but that was a different era when the proper answer wasn't so clear. Especially considering the right thing to do meant the ruin of many of those in power. Economically wise, you could compare it to losing half your property and doubling the minimum wage. Many a person has decided on their pocket book over doing the right thing.

You just described any revolutionary on the planet. No one starts a civil war believing they are wrong.

Joseph Stalin thought he was doing the right thing.

In many respects Stalin was doing the right thing. The brutal means in which he chose to achieve those things was his historical scar.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/timelines/z8nbcdm

You would actually defend Joseph Stalin in order to back up your position on the Confederacy?

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Anonymous wrote:Virginians are Virginians in addition to being Americans. They can be proud if both their national and state history. Their state history includes NOT being part of the Union during the civil war.

in what way are you proud of the fact that Virginia seceded?

In the face of daunting odds they stood up for what they believed was right. Now no one today would agree with their cause, but that was a different era when the proper answer wasn't so clear. Especially considering the right thing to do meant the ruin of many of those in power. Economically wise, you could compare it to losing half your property and doubling the minimum wage. Many a person has decided on their pocket book over doing the right thing.

You just described any revolutionary on the planet. No one starts a civil war believing they are wrong.

Joseph Stalin thought he was doing the right thing.

In many respects Stalin was doing the right thing. The brutal means in which he chose to achieve those things was his historical scar.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/timelines/z8nbcdm

You would actually defend Joseph Stalin in order to back up your position on the Confederacy?

I don't have the position on the Confederacy you may think. I'm a far northerner who has no family connection to the south. But I also don't see any reason to discredit the entirety of a persons life simply because you and I don't agree with his policy. Also considering the era in which he lived, the wrongness of that policy was not as clear as it is today. It was a legitimately debatable topic at the time. If it wasn't, you wouldn't have had half the country divided.

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Anonymous wrote:Virginians are Virginians in addition to being Americans. They can be proud if both their national and state history. Their state history includes NOT being part of the Union during the civil war.

in what way are you proud of the fact that Virginia seceded?

In the face of daunting odds they stood up for what they believed was right. Now no one today would agree with their cause, but that was a different era when the proper answer wasn't so clear. Especially considering the right thing to do meant the ruin of many of those in power. Economically wise, you could compare it to losing half your property and doubling the minimum wage. Many a person has decided on their pocket book over doing the right thing.

You just described any revolutionary on the planet. No one starts a civil war believing they are wrong.

Joseph Stalin thought he was doing the right thing.

In many respects Stalin was doing the right thing. The brutal means in which he chose to achieve those things was his historical scar.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/timelines/z8nbcdm

You would actually defend Joseph Stalin in order to back up your position on the Confederacy?

I don't have the position on the Confederacy you may think. I'm a far northerner who has no family connection to the south. But I also don't see any reason to discredit the entirety of a persons life simply because you and I don't agree with his policy. Also considering the era in which he lived, the wrongness of that policy was not as clear as it is today. It was a legitimately debatable topic at the time. If it wasn't, you wouldn't have had half the country divided.

It's not a matter of discrediting him, so much as refusing to honor someone who waged war against our country. How on earth is that debatable?