VA SCOTUS oral arguments

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Anonymous wrote:I just don't care anymore. I am doing great financially, and rising gas prices, health insurance costs, and grocery costs don't matter to me. If this is what the MAGAs want, so be it. Let them win the midterms, and the country will deteriorate more and their lives will get worse, and maybe by 2028 they'll finally wake up. I'll be fine regardless.

The pattern is already set in stone for the next 20 years. Republicans will control national elections and most state governorships and legislators. Democrats will run major metropolitan areas. The country will fracture further. If not already one of the haves, life will be hard. Going to have to hit rock bottom before things change and a long way from rock bottom.

That’s fine. When Democrats win and try to fix the messes created by republicans, they just get blamed for not fixing the problems quickly enough. Let republicans remain in power, and hopefully there will then be no doubt as to which party is the problem.

The fact that voters still want to blame Ds for the mess Rs created show how stupid much of the populace is.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:SCOTUS won’t take the case, more time and money wasted by VA democrats.

I can’t even with this lawyer brain. This was a decision by republican politicians to help out other republican politicians. So now they want to appeal to yet another group of republican politicians? Gee guys, I wonder what they’ll do? They might as well appeal to a committee of Donald Trump, Mike Johnson, and John Thune.

Seriously. I thought democrats were starting to get it, but this move just shows they still don’t. Apparently even after Calais, Virginia democrats still think SCOTUS is some neutral forum that will fairly apply the law.

I’m not sure what it’s going to take to get it through their thick skulls. How about they take a page from how republicans have reacted to court losses?

They could look at Ohio republicans and just ignore their state Supreme Court.

Or they could look at Utah republicans, who launched a bad faith investigation of a justice who ruled against them and forced her to resign.

Or they want a veneer of legality around it, they could get creative and lower the retirement age for Supreme Court justices to 70, forcing one of the justices who ruled against them off the bench, immediately appoint a replacement, and get the case reheard.

Okay. Say the Supremes overturn the referendum ruling.
You do know that the Dems appealed to the VASC to delay the ruling (prior to the election) because of the Virginia law--you know, the law they are NOW complaining about with the timing of the election.

GOP has also filed against the referendum results on the basis of the lack of "neutral language" in it. VA Supremes did not rule on that because they already overruled the referendum.
I don't understand how this all works, but if the US Supremes rule in favor of the Dems, does that case still get considered?

Why are you wasting time thinking about things that won’t happen. The Supreme Court is controlled by republicans and will vote for republican interests. Why can’t democrats understand that? It’s like you guys just can’t let go of this fairy tale that the Supreme Court has anything to do with law or justice. They are politicians in robes. Accept that and act accordingly.

So make them do it. Don't pre-surrender. Make them do what we all know they are going to do. Hem them in and expose the partisan bs for the partisan bs it is.

Whether State Constitutions, State Courts, State Electorates, and State Governors even have any say in federal elections is something this partisan SCOTUS (and the GOP) has been flirting with and was the legal cover for what they were trying to do on Jan 6th.

Louisiana is talking about cancelling an election that is ongoing right now in order to redistrict after the VRA decision.

Make SCOTUS either rule against those shenanigans or overturn the Virginia Courts decision. There are broader implications involved. What's good for the goose must be good for the gander. Not making them choose is a flight of idiocy.

And on what ground would they overturn the VA Supreme Court's ruling on what the Virginia Constitution says? SCOTUS has no say, unless there was some sort of due process issue which there is not. You seem to think you will make them go on record but that is not what would happen. They would just deny cert without comment. There is nothing partisan in this one.

According to their theory neither the VA Supreme Court or the Virginia Constitution has any relevence. The only thing that matters, according to their theory, is what the Legislature says.

Don't assume anything or pre-surrender. Use their own arguments.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:SCOTUS won’t take the case, more time and money wasted by VA democrats.

I can’t even with this lawyer brain. This was a decision by republican politicians to help out other republican politicians. So now they want to appeal to yet another group of republican politicians? Gee guys, I wonder what they’ll do? They might as well appeal to a committee of Donald Trump, Mike Johnson, and John Thune.

Seriously. I thought democrats were starting to get it, but this move just shows they still don’t. Apparently even after Calais, Virginia democrats still think SCOTUS is some neutral forum that will fairly apply the law.

I’m not sure what it’s going to take to get it through their thick skulls. How about they take a page from how republicans have reacted to court losses?

They could look at Ohio republicans and just ignore their state Supreme Court.

Or they could look at Utah republicans, who launched a bad faith investigation of a justice who ruled against them and forced her to resign.

Or they want a veneer of legality around it, they could get creative and lower the retirement age for Supreme Court justices to 70, forcing one of the justices who ruled against them off the bench, immediately appoint a replacement, and get the case reheard.

Okay. Say the Supremes overturn the referendum ruling.
You do know that the Dems appealed to the VASC to delay the ruling (prior to the election) because of the Virginia law--you know, the law they are NOW complaining about with the timing of the election.

GOP has also filed against the referendum results on the basis of the lack of "neutral language" in it. VA Supremes did not rule on that because they already overruled the referendum.
I don't understand how this all works, but if the US Supremes rule in favor of the Dems, does that case still get considered?

Why are you wasting time thinking about things that won’t happen. The Supreme Court is controlled by republicans and will vote for republican interests. Why can’t democrats understand that? It’s like you guys just can’t let go of this fairy tale that the Supreme Court has anything to do with law or justice. They are politicians in robes. Accept that and act accordingly.

So make them do it. Don't pre-surrender. Make them do what we all know they are going to do. Hem them in and expose the partisan bs for the partisan bs it is.

Whether State Constitutions, State Courts, State Electorates, and State Governors even have any say in federal elections is something this partisan SCOTUS (and the GOP) has been flirting with and was the legal cover for what they were trying to do on Jan 6th.

Louisiana is talking about cancelling an election that is ongoing right now in order to redistrict after the VRA decision.

Make SCOTUS either rule against those shenanigans or overturn the Virginia Courts decision. There are broader implications involved. What's good for the goose must be good for the gander. Not making them choose is a flight of idiocy.

And on what ground would they overturn the VA Supreme Court's ruling on what the Virginia Constitution says? SCOTUS has no say, unless there was some sort of due process issue which there is not. You seem to think you will make them go on record but that is not what would happen. They would just deny cert without comment. There is nothing partisan in this one.

According to their theory neither the VA Supreme Court or the Virginia Constitution has any relevence. The only thing that matters, according to their theory, is what the Legislature says.

Don't assume anything or pre-surrender. Use their own arguments.

That's been consistently rejected by the SCOTUS. You need a better attack.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:SCOTUS won’t take the case, more time and money wasted by VA democrats.

I can’t even with this lawyer brain. This was a decision by republican politicians to help out other republican politicians. So now they want to appeal to yet another group of republican politicians? Gee guys, I wonder what they’ll do? They might as well appeal to a committee of Donald Trump, Mike Johnson, and John Thune.

Seriously. I thought democrats were starting to get it, but this move just shows they still don’t. Apparently even after Calais, Virginia democrats still think SCOTUS is some neutral forum that will fairly apply the law.

I’m not sure what it’s going to take to get it through their thick skulls. How about they take a page from how republicans have reacted to court losses?

They could look at Ohio republicans and just ignore their state Supreme Court.

Or they could look at Utah republicans, who launched a bad faith investigation of a justice who ruled against them and forced her to resign.

Or they want a veneer of legality around it, they could get creative and lower the retirement age for Supreme Court justices to 70, forcing one of the justices who ruled against them off the bench, immediately appoint a replacement, and get the case reheard.

Okay. Say the Supremes overturn the referendum ruling.
You do know that the Dems appealed to the VASC to delay the ruling (prior to the election) because of the Virginia law--you know, the law they are NOW complaining about with the timing of the election.

GOP has also filed against the referendum results on the basis of the lack of "neutral language" in it. VA Supremes did not rule on that because they already overruled the referendum.
I don't understand how this all works, but if the US Supremes rule in favor of the Dems, does that case still get considered?

Why are you wasting time thinking about things that won’t happen. The Supreme Court is controlled by republicans and will vote for republican interests. Why can’t democrats understand that? It’s like you guys just can’t let go of this fairy tale that the Supreme Court has anything to do with law or justice. They are politicians in robes. Accept that and act accordingly.

So make them do it. Don't pre-surrender. Make them do what we all know they are going to do. Hem them in and expose the partisan bs for the partisan bs it is.

Whether State Constitutions, State Courts, State Electorates, and State Governors even have any say in federal elections is something this partisan SCOTUS (and the GOP) has been flirting with and was the legal cover for what they were trying to do on Jan 6th.

Louisiana is talking about cancelling an election that is ongoing right now in order to redistrict after the VRA decision.

Make SCOTUS either rule against those shenanigans or overturn the Virginia Courts decision. There are broader implications involved. What's good for the goose must be good for the gander. Not making them choose is a flight of idiocy.

And on what ground would they overturn the VA Supreme Court's ruling on what the Virginia Constitution says? SCOTUS has no say, unless there was some sort of due process issue which there is not. You seem to think you will make them go on record but that is not what would happen. They would just deny cert without comment. There is nothing partisan in this one.

According to their theory neither the VA Supreme Court or the Virginia Constitution has any relevence. The only thing that matters, according to their theory, is what the Legislature says.

Don't assume anything or pre-surrender. Use their own arguments.

Didn't the VA legislature propose the original amendment to have non-partisan redistricting? I think it passed with well over 60%.

The irony is that in the court case, it was the AG who requested that the election go forward and wait until after the election to rule.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I just don't care anymore. I am doing great financially, and rising gas prices, health insurance costs, and grocery costs don't matter to me. If this is what the MAGAs want, so be it. Let them win the midterms, and the country will deteriorate more and their lives will get worse, and maybe by 2028 they'll finally wake up. I'll be fine regardless.

The pattern is already set in stone for the next 20 years. Republicans will control national elections and most state governorships and legislators. Democrats will run major metropolitan areas. The country will fracture further. If not already one of the haves, life will be hard. Going to have to hit rock bottom before things change and a long way from rock bottom.

That’s fine. When Democrats win and try to fix the messes created by republicans, they just get blamed for not fixing the problems quickly enough. Let republicans remain in power, and hopefully there will then be no doubt as to which party is the problem.

The fact that voters still want to blame Ds for the mess Rs created show how stupid much of the populace is.

That's right. Blame the students, not the teachers.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:SCOTUS won’t take the case, more time and money wasted by VA democrats.

I can’t even with this lawyer brain. This was a decision by republican politicians to help out other republican politicians. So now they want to appeal to yet another group of republican politicians? Gee guys, I wonder what they’ll do? They might as well appeal to a committee of Donald Trump, Mike Johnson, and John Thune.

Seriously. I thought democrats were starting to get it, but this move just shows they still don’t. Apparently even after Calais, Virginia democrats still think SCOTUS is some neutral forum that will fairly apply the law.

I’m not sure what it’s going to take to get it through their thick skulls. How about they take a page from how republicans have reacted to court losses?

They could look at Ohio republicans and just ignore their state Supreme Court.

Or they could look at Utah republicans, who launched a bad faith investigation of a justice who ruled against them and forced her to resign.

Or they want a veneer of legality around it, they could get creative and lower the retirement age for Supreme Court justices to 70, forcing one of the justices who ruled against them off the bench, immediately appoint a replacement, and get the case reheard.

Okay. Say the Supremes overturn the referendum ruling.
You do know that the Dems appealed to the VASC to delay the ruling (prior to the election) because of the Virginia law--you know, the law they are NOW complaining about with the timing of the election.

GOP has also filed against the referendum results on the basis of the lack of "neutral language" in it. VA Supremes did not rule on that because they already overruled the referendum.
I don't understand how this all works, but if the US Supremes rule in favor of the Dems, does that case still get considered?

Why are you wasting time thinking about things that won’t happen. The Supreme Court is controlled by republicans and will vote for republican interests. Why can’t democrats understand that? It’s like you guys just can’t let go of this fairy tale that the Supreme Court has anything to do with law or justice. They are politicians in robes. Accept that and act accordingly.

So make them do it. Don't pre-surrender. Make them do what we all know they are going to do. Hem them in and expose the partisan bs for the partisan bs it is.

Whether State Constitutions, State Courts, State Electorates, and State Governors even have any say in federal elections is something this partisan SCOTUS (and the GOP) has been flirting with and was the legal cover for what they were trying to do on Jan 6th.

Louisiana is talking about cancelling an election that is ongoing right now in order to redistrict after the VRA decision.

Make SCOTUS either rule against those shenanigans or overturn the Virginia Courts decision. There are broader implications involved. What's good for the goose must be good for the gander. Not making them choose is a flight of idiocy.

And on what ground would they overturn the VA Supreme Court's ruling on what the Virginia Constitution says? SCOTUS has no say, unless there was some sort of due process issue which there is not. You seem to think you will make them go on record but that is not what would happen. They would just deny cert without comment. There is nothing partisan in this one.

According to their theory neither the VA Supreme Court or the Virginia Constitution has any relevence. The only thing that matters, according to their theory, is what the Legislature says.

Don't assume anything or pre-surrender. Use their own arguments.

That's been consistently rejected by the SCOTUS. You need a better attack.

No, it hasn't. The insane theories put forward to try and overturn the 2020 election have not been ruled against.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:SCOTUS won’t take the case, more time and money wasted by VA democrats.

I can’t even with this lawyer brain. This was a decision by republican politicians to help out other republican politicians. So now they want to appeal to yet another group of republican politicians? Gee guys, I wonder what they’ll do? They might as well appeal to a committee of Donald Trump, Mike Johnson, and John Thune.

Seriously. I thought democrats were starting to get it, but this move just shows they still don’t. Apparently even after Calais, Virginia democrats still think SCOTUS is some neutral forum that will fairly apply the law.

I’m not sure what it’s going to take to get it through their thick skulls. How about they take a page from how republicans have reacted to court losses?

They could look at Ohio republicans and just ignore their state Supreme Court.

Or they could look at Utah republicans, who launched a bad faith investigation of a justice who ruled against them and forced her to resign.

Or they want a veneer of legality around it, they could get creative and lower the retirement age for Supreme Court justices to 70, forcing one of the justices who ruled against them off the bench, immediately appoint a replacement, and get the case reheard.

Okay. Say the Supremes overturn the referendum ruling.
You do know that the Dems appealed to the VASC to delay the ruling (prior to the election) because of the Virginia law--you know, the law they are NOW complaining about with the timing of the election.

GOP has also filed against the referendum results on the basis of the lack of "neutral language" in it. VA Supremes did not rule on that because they already overruled the referendum.
I don't understand how this all works, but if the US Supremes rule in favor of the Dems, does that case still get considered?

Why are you wasting time thinking about things that won’t happen. The Supreme Court is controlled by republicans and will vote for republican interests. Why can’t democrats understand that? It’s like you guys just can’t let go of this fairy tale that the Supreme Court has anything to do with law or justice. They are politicians in robes. Accept that and act accordingly.

So make them do it. Don't pre-surrender. Make them do what we all know they are going to do. Hem them in and expose the partisan bs for the partisan bs it is.

Whether State Constitutions, State Courts, State Electorates, and State Governors even have any say in federal elections is something this partisan SCOTUS (and the GOP) has been flirting with and was the legal cover for what they were trying to do on Jan 6th.

Louisiana is talking about cancelling an election that is ongoing right now in order to redistrict after the VRA decision.

Make SCOTUS either rule against those shenanigans or overturn the Virginia Courts decision. There are broader implications involved. What's good for the goose must be good for the gander. Not making them choose is a flight of idiocy.

And on what ground would they overturn the VA Supreme Court's ruling on what the Virginia Constitution says? SCOTUS has no say, unless there was some sort of due process issue which there is not. You seem to think you will make them go on record but that is not what would happen. They would just deny cert without comment. There is nothing partisan in this one.

According to their theory neither the VA Supreme Court or the Virginia Constitution has any relevence. The only thing that matters, according to their theory, is what the Legislature says.

Don't assume anything or pre-surrender. Use their own arguments.

Didn't the VA legislature propose the original amendment to have non-partisan redistricting? I think it passed with well over 60%.

The irony is that in the court case, it was the AG who requested that the election go forward and wait until after the election to rule.

And the legislature proposed this one as well. According to MAGA theory the legislature has absolute unchecked power to do whatever they want without regard to state constitutions, state courts or even the results of a vote.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I just don't care anymore. I am doing great financially, and rising gas prices, health insurance costs, and grocery costs don't matter to me. If this is what the MAGAs want, so be it. Let them win the midterms, and the country will deteriorate more and their lives will get worse, and maybe by 2028 they'll finally wake up. I'll be fine regardless.

The pattern is already set in stone for the next 20 years. Republicans will control national elections and most state governorships and legislators. Democrats will run major metropolitan areas. The country will fracture further. If not already one of the haves, life will be hard. Going to have to hit rock bottom before things change and a long way from rock bottom.

That’s fine. When Democrats win and try to fix the messes created by republicans, they just get blamed for not fixing the problems quickly enough. Let republicans remain in power, and hopefully there will then be no doubt as to which party is the problem.

The fact that voters still want to blame Ds for the mess Rs created show how stupid much of the populace is.

+1

[Anonymous]

Democrats tried to pull a fast one and got caught, wasted $70M along the way. But the sign makers and TV and radio stations saw add revenue go up so there were some winners.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I just don't care anymore. I am doing great financially, and rising gas prices, health insurance costs, and grocery costs don't matter to me. If this is what the MAGAs want, so be it. Let them win the midterms, and the country will deteriorate more and their lives will get worse, and maybe by 2028 they'll finally wake up. I'll be fine regardless.

The pattern is already set in stone for the next 20 years. Republicans will control national elections and most state governorships and legislators. Democrats will run major metropolitan areas. The country will fracture further. If not already one of the haves, life will be hard. Going to have to hit rock bottom before things change and a long way from rock bottom.

That’s fine. When Democrats win and try to fix the messes created by republicans, they just get blamed for not fixing the problems quickly enough. Let republicans remain in power, and hopefully there will then be no doubt as to which party is the problem.

The fact that voters still want to blame Ds for the mess Rs created show how stupid much of the populace is.

Actually, the populace is simply paying attention. They have eyes and ears.

[Anonymous]

Poor spelling outside counsel will pick up a few bucks as Dems continue to throw money at a lost cause.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I just don't care anymore. I am doing great financially, and rising gas prices, health insurance costs, and grocery costs don't matter to me. If this is what the MAGAs want, so be it. Let them win the midterms, and the country will deteriorate more and their lives will get worse, and maybe by 2028 they'll finally wake up. I'll be fine regardless.

The pattern is already set in stone for the next 20 years. Republicans will control national elections and most state governorships and legislators. Democrats will run major metropolitan areas. The country will fracture further. If not already one of the haves, life will be hard. Going to have to hit rock bottom before things change and a long way from rock bottom.

That’s fine. When Democrats win and try to fix the messes created by republicans, they just get blamed for not fixing the problems quickly enough. Let republicans remain in power, and hopefully there will then be no doubt as to which party is the problem.

The fact that voters still want to blame Ds for the mess Rs created show how stupid much of the populace is.

Actually, the populace is simply paying attention. They have eyes and ears.

Anyone who is paying attention will conclude that Rs created this massive shitshow.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:SCOTUS won’t take the case, more time and money wasted by VA democrats.

I can’t even with this lawyer brain. This was a decision by republican politicians to help out other republican politicians. So now they want to appeal to yet another group of republican politicians? Gee guys, I wonder what they’ll do? They might as well appeal to a committee of Donald Trump, Mike Johnson, and John Thune.

Seriously. I thought democrats were starting to get it, but this move just shows they still don’t. Apparently even after Calais, Virginia democrats still think SCOTUS is some neutral forum that will fairly apply the law.

I’m not sure what it’s going to take to get it through their thick skulls. How about they take a page from how republicans have reacted to court losses?

They could look at Ohio republicans and just ignore their state Supreme Court.

Or they could look at Utah republicans, who launched a bad faith investigation of a justice who ruled against them and forced her to resign.

Or they want a veneer of legality around it, they could get creative and lower the retirement age for Supreme Court justices to 70, forcing one of the justices who ruled against them off the bench, immediately appoint a replacement, and get the case reheard.

Okay. Say the Supremes overturn the referendum ruling.
You do know that the Dems appealed to the VASC to delay the ruling (prior to the election) because of the Virginia law--you know, the law they are NOW complaining about with the timing of the election.

GOP has also filed against the referendum results on the basis of the lack of "neutral language" in it. VA Supremes did not rule on that because they already overruled the referendum.
I don't understand how this all works, but if the US Supremes rule in favor of the Dems, does that case still get considered?

Why are you wasting time thinking about things that won’t happen. The Supreme Court is controlled by republicans and will vote for republican interests. Why can’t democrats understand that? It’s like you guys just can’t let go of this fairy tale that the Supreme Court has anything to do with law or justice. They are politicians in robes. Accept that and act accordingly.

So make them do it. Don't pre-surrender. Make them do what we all know they are going to do. Hem them in and expose the partisan bs for the partisan bs it is.

Whether State Constitutions, State Courts, State Electorates, and State Governors even have any say in federal elections is something this partisan SCOTUS (and the GOP) has been flirting with and was the legal cover for what they were trying to do on Jan 6th.

Louisiana is talking about cancelling an election that is ongoing right now in order to redistrict after the VRA decision.

Make SCOTUS either rule against those shenanigans or overturn the Virginia Courts decision. There are broader implications involved. What's good for the goose must be good for the gander. Not making them choose is a flight of idiocy.

And on what ground would they overturn the VA Supreme Court's ruling on what the Virginia Constitution says? SCOTUS has no say, unless there was some sort of due process issue which there is not. You seem to think you will make them go on record but that is not what would happen. They would just deny cert without comment. There is nothing partisan in this one.

According to their theory neither the VA Supreme Court or the Virginia Constitution has any relevence. The only thing that matters, according to their theory, is what the Legislature says.

Don't assume anything or pre-surrender. Use their own arguments.

That's been consistently rejected by the SCOTUS. You need a better attack.

No, it hasn't. The insane theories put forward to try and overturn the 2020 election have not been ruled against.

Moore v. Harper, 2023.
Arizona State Legislature v. Arizona Independent Redistricting Commission, 2016.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:SCOTUS won’t take the case, more time and money wasted by VA democrats.

I can’t even with this lawyer brain. This was a decision by republican politicians to help out other republican politicians. So now they want to appeal to yet another group of republican politicians? Gee guys, I wonder what they’ll do? They might as well appeal to a committee of Donald Trump, Mike Johnson, and John Thune.

Seriously. I thought democrats were starting to get it, but this move just shows they still don’t. Apparently even after Calais, Virginia democrats still think SCOTUS is some neutral forum that will fairly apply the law.

I’m not sure what it’s going to take to get it through their thick skulls. How about they take a page from how republicans have reacted to court losses?

They could look at Ohio republicans and just ignore their state Supreme Court.

Or they could look at Utah republicans, who launched a bad faith investigation of a justice who ruled against them and forced her to resign.

Or they want a veneer of legality around it, they could get creative and lower the retirement age for Supreme Court justices to 70, forcing one of the justices who ruled against them off the bench, immediately appoint a replacement, and get the case reheard.

Okay. Say the Supremes overturn the referendum ruling.
You do know that the Dems appealed to the VASC to delay the ruling (prior to the election) because of the Virginia law--you know, the law they are NOW complaining about with the timing of the election.

GOP has also filed against the referendum results on the basis of the lack of "neutral language" in it. VA Supremes did not rule on that because they already overruled the referendum.
I don't understand how this all works, but if the US Supremes rule in favor of the Dems, does that case still get considered?

Why are you wasting time thinking about things that won’t happen. The Supreme Court is controlled by republicans and will vote for republican interests. Why can’t democrats understand that? It’s like you guys just can’t let go of this fairy tale that the Supreme Court has anything to do with law or justice. They are politicians in robes. Accept that and act accordingly.

So make them do it. Don't pre-surrender. Make them do what we all know they are going to do. Hem them in and expose the partisan bs for the partisan bs it is.

Whether State Constitutions, State Courts, State Electorates, and State Governors even have any say in federal elections is something this partisan SCOTUS (and the GOP) has been flirting with and was the legal cover for what they were trying to do on Jan 6th.

Louisiana is talking about cancelling an election that is ongoing right now in order to redistrict after the VRA decision.

Make SCOTUS either rule against those shenanigans or overturn the Virginia Courts decision. There are broader implications involved. What's good for the goose must be good for the gander. Not making them choose is a flight of idiocy.

And on what ground would they overturn the VA Supreme Court's ruling on what the Virginia Constitution says? SCOTUS has no say, unless there was some sort of due process issue which there is not. You seem to think you will make them go on record but that is not what would happen. They would just deny cert without comment. There is nothing partisan in this one.

According to their theory neither the VA Supreme Court or the Virginia Constitution has any relevence. The only thing that matters, according to their theory, is what the Legislature says.

Don't assume anything or pre-surrender. Use their own arguments.

Didn't the VA legislature propose the original amendment to have non-partisan redistricting? I think it passed with well over 60%.

The irony is that in the court case, it was the AG who requested that the election go forward and wait until after the election to rule.

And the legislature proposed this one as well. According to MAGA theory the legislature has absolute unchecked power to do whatever they want without regard to state constitutions, state courts or even the results of a vote.

OK. Let's see how that works out for Democrats across the nation.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Spanberger voter here who has never voted for Trump.

The Dems continue to disappoint us moderates. Trying to disenfranchise voters through gerrymandering, the wording of the amendment language, etc.

The MAGA politicians are horrible. Absolutely horrible. But the Dems continue to prove themselves no better. Sigh.

I guess it is back to third party.

I am this poster. I am mid 40s with undergrad and masters degrees from HYP.

Whether you think I’m right, or wrong, or stupid, or smart…. What matters is I don’t vote for Trump, and did vote for Spanberger. I don’t view current Democratic policies as any better that Republican, I don’t view their candidates as any better, and unfortunately, I can no longer view their ethics any better. So I’ll go back to third party and protest votes.

The whole “When they go low, we go high” thing had an appeal to people like me. Now that that’s been abandoned, I see no reason to vote blue.

Dems need voters like me, but keep driving them away.