VA SCOTUS oral arguments

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Anonymous wrote:SCOTUS won’t take the case, more time and money wasted by VA democrats.

I can’t even with this lawyer brain. This was a decision by republican politicians to help out other republican politicians. So now they want to appeal to yet another group of republican politicians? Gee guys, I wonder what they’ll do? They might as well appeal to a committee of Donald Trump, Mike Johnson, and John Thune.

Seriously. I thought democrats were starting to get it, but this move just shows they still don’t. Apparently even after Calais, Virginia democrats still think SCOTUS is some neutral forum that will fairly apply the law.

I’m not sure what it’s going to take to get it through their thick skulls. How about they take a page from how republicans have reacted to court losses?

They could look at Ohio republicans and just ignore their state Supreme Court.

Or they could look at Utah republicans, who launched a bad faith investigation of a justice who ruled against them and forced her to resign.

Or they want a veneer of legality around it, they could get creative and lower the retirement age for Supreme Court justices to 70, forcing one of the justices who ruled against them off the bench, immediately appoint a replacement, and get the case reheard.

Okay. Say the Supremes overturn the referendum ruling.
You do know that the Dems appealed to the VASC to delay the ruling (prior to the election) because of the Virginia law--you know, the law they are NOW complaining about with the timing of the election.

GOP has also filed against the referendum results on the basis of the lack of "neutral language" in it. VA Supremes did not rule on that because they already overruled the referendum.
I don't understand how this all works, but if the US Supremes rule in favor of the Dems, does that case still get considered?

Why are you wasting time thinking about things that won’t happen. The Supreme Court is controlled by republicans and will vote for republican interests. Why can’t democrats understand that? It’s like you guys just can’t let go of this fairy tale that the Supreme Court has anything to do with law or justice. They are politicians in robes. Accept that and act accordingly.

So make them do it. Don't pre-surrender. Make them do what we all know they are going to do. Hem them in and expose the partisan bs for the partisan bs it is.

Whether State Constitutions, State Courts, State Electorates, and State Governors even have any say in federal elections is something this partisan SCOTUS (and the GOP) has been flirting with and was the legal cover for what they were trying to do on Jan 6th.

Louisiana is talking about cancelling an election that is ongoing right now in order to redistrict after the VRA decision.

Make SCOTUS either rule against those shenanigans or overturn the Virginia Courts decision. There are broader implications involved. What's good for the goose must be good for the gander. Not making them choose is a flight of idiocy.

And on what ground would they overturn the VA Supreme Court's ruling on what the Virginia Constitution says? SCOTUS has no say, unless there was some sort of due process issue which there is not. You seem to think you will make them go on record but that is not what would happen. They would just deny cert without comment. There is nothing partisan in this one.

According to their theory neither the VA Supreme Court or the Virginia Constitution has any relevence. The only thing that matters, according to their theory, is what the Legislature says.

Don't assume anything or pre-surrender. Use their own arguments.

That is just dumb. The whole thing is decided on what the VA consitution says. End of story. The issue was what does election mean. No basis for the SCOTUS to look at this even if VA court was wrong. What the legislature says has nothing to do with it. The consitutional provision is there to limit the legislature.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Spanberger voter here who has never voted for Trump.

The Dems continue to disappoint us moderates. Trying to disenfranchise voters through gerrymandering, the wording of the amendment language, etc.

The MAGA politicians are horrible. Absolutely horrible. But the Dems continue to prove themselves no better. Sigh.

I guess it is back to third party.

I am this poster. I am mid 40s with undergrad and masters degrees from HYP.

Whether you think I’m right, or wrong, or stupid, or smart…. What matters is I don’t vote for Trump, and did vote for Spanberger. I don’t view current Democratic policies as any better that Republican, I don’t view their candidates as any better, and unfortunately, I can no longer view their ethics any better. So I’ll go back to third party and protest votes.

The whole “When they go low, we go high” thing had an appeal to people like me. Now that that’s been abandoned, I see no reason to vote blue.

Dems need voters like me, but keep driving them away.

I’m with you, and feel similarly. It’s not only that they need voters like us, it’s also that we make up the bulk of who is funding their agendas most of which have direct negative impact on our daily life.

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Anonymous wrote:SCOTUS won’t take the case, more time and money wasted by VA democrats.

I can’t even with this lawyer brain. This was a decision by republican politicians to help out other republican politicians. So now they want to appeal to yet another group of republican politicians? Gee guys, I wonder what they’ll do? They might as well appeal to a committee of Donald Trump, Mike Johnson, and John Thune.

Seriously. I thought democrats were starting to get it, but this move just shows they still don’t. Apparently even after Calais, Virginia democrats still think SCOTUS is some neutral forum that will fairly apply the law.

I’m not sure what it’s going to take to get it through their thick skulls. How about they take a page from how republicans have reacted to court losses?

They could look at Ohio republicans and just ignore their state Supreme Court.

Or they could look at Utah republicans, who launched a bad faith investigation of a justice who ruled against them and forced her to resign.

Or they want a veneer of legality around it, they could get creative and lower the retirement age for Supreme Court justices to 70, forcing one of the justices who ruled against them off the bench, immediately appoint a replacement, and get the case reheard.

Okay. Say the Supremes overturn the referendum ruling.
You do know that the Dems appealed to the VASC to delay the ruling (prior to the election) because of the Virginia law--you know, the law they are NOW complaining about with the timing of the election.

GOP has also filed against the referendum results on the basis of the lack of "neutral language" in it. VA Supremes did not rule on that because they already overruled the referendum.
I don't understand how this all works, but if the US Supremes rule in favor of the Dems, does that case still get considered?

Why are you wasting time thinking about things that won’t happen. The Supreme Court is controlled by republicans and will vote for republican interests. Why can’t democrats understand that? It’s like you guys just can’t let go of this fairy tale that the Supreme Court has anything to do with law or justice. They are politicians in robes. Accept that and act accordingly.

So make them do it. Don't pre-surrender. Make them do what we all know they are going to do. Hem them in and expose the partisan bs for the partisan bs it is.

Whether State Constitutions, State Courts, State Electorates, and State Governors even have any say in federal elections is something this partisan SCOTUS (and the GOP) has been flirting with and was the legal cover for what they were trying to do on Jan 6th.

Louisiana is talking about cancelling an election that is ongoing right now in order to redistrict after the VRA decision.

Make SCOTUS either rule against those shenanigans or overturn the Virginia Courts decision. There are broader implications involved. What's good for the goose must be good for the gander. Not making them choose is a flight of idiocy.

And on what ground would they overturn the VA Supreme Court's ruling on what the Virginia Constitution says? SCOTUS has no say, unless there was some sort of due process issue which there is not. You seem to think you will make them go on record but that is not what would happen. They would just deny cert without comment. There is nothing partisan in this one.

According to their theory neither the VA Supreme Court or the Virginia Constitution has any relevence. The only thing that matters, according to their theory, is what the Legislature says.

Don't assume anything or pre-surrender. Use their own arguments.

That's been consistently rejected by the SCOTUS. You need a better attack.

No, it hasn't. The insane theories put forward to try and overturn the 2020 election have not been ruled against.

This has nothing to do with any of the arguments related to 2020.

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Anonymous wrote:SCOTUS won’t take the case, more time and money wasted by VA democrats.

I can’t even with this lawyer brain. This was a decision by republican politicians to help out other republican politicians. So now they want to appeal to yet another group of republican politicians? Gee guys, I wonder what they’ll do? They might as well appeal to a committee of Donald Trump, Mike Johnson, and John Thune.

Seriously. I thought democrats were starting to get it, but this move just shows they still don’t. Apparently even after Calais, Virginia democrats still think SCOTUS is some neutral forum that will fairly apply the law.

I’m not sure what it’s going to take to get it through their thick skulls. How about they take a page from how republicans have reacted to court losses?

They could look at Ohio republicans and just ignore their state Supreme Court.

Or they could look at Utah republicans, who launched a bad faith investigation of a justice who ruled against them and forced her to resign.

Or they want a veneer of legality around it, they could get creative and lower the retirement age for Supreme Court justices to 70, forcing one of the justices who ruled against them off the bench, immediately appoint a replacement, and get the case reheard.

Okay. Say the Supremes overturn the referendum ruling.
You do know that the Dems appealed to the VASC to delay the ruling (prior to the election) because of the Virginia law--you know, the law they are NOW complaining about with the timing of the election.

GOP has also filed against the referendum results on the basis of the lack of "neutral language" in it. VA Supremes did not rule on that because they already overruled the referendum.
I don't understand how this all works, but if the US Supremes rule in favor of the Dems, does that case still get considered?

Why are you wasting time thinking about things that won’t happen. The Supreme Court is controlled by republicans and will vote for republican interests. Why can’t democrats understand that? It’s like you guys just can’t let go of this fairy tale that the Supreme Court has anything to do with law or justice. They are politicians in robes. Accept that and act accordingly.

So make them do it. Don't pre-surrender. Make them do what we all know they are going to do. Hem them in and expose the partisan bs for the partisan bs it is.

Whether State Constitutions, State Courts, State Electorates, and State Governors even have any say in federal elections is something this partisan SCOTUS (and the GOP) has been flirting with and was the legal cover for what they were trying to do on Jan 6th.

Louisiana is talking about cancelling an election that is ongoing right now in order to redistrict after the VRA decision.

Make SCOTUS either rule against those shenanigans or overturn the Virginia Courts decision. There are broader implications involved. What's good for the goose must be good for the gander. Not making them choose is a flight of idiocy.

And on what ground would they overturn the VA Supreme Court's ruling on what the Virginia Constitution says? SCOTUS has no say, unless there was some sort of due process issue which there is not. You seem to think you will make them go on record but that is not what would happen. They would just deny cert without comment. There is nothing partisan in this one.

According to their theory neither the VA Supreme Court or the Virginia Constitution has any relevence. The only thing that matters, according to their theory, is what the Legislature says.

Don't assume anything or pre-surrender. Use their own arguments.

Didn't the VA legislature propose the original amendment to have non-partisan redistricting? I think it passed with well over 60%.

The irony is that in the court case, it was the AG who requested that the election go forward and wait until after the election to rule.

And the legislature proposed this one as well. According to MAGA theory the legislature has absolute unchecked power to do whatever they want without regard to state constitutions, state courts or even the results of a vote.

sigh. . . The legislature only has the power given to it by the State Consitution. That's it. In this case the Consitution said legislature could not do what they did.

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Anonymous wrote:SCOTUS won’t take the case, more time and money wasted by VA democrats.

I can’t even with this lawyer brain. This was a decision by republican politicians to help out other republican politicians. So now they want to appeal to yet another group of republican politicians? Gee guys, I wonder what they’ll do? They might as well appeal to a committee of Donald Trump, Mike Johnson, and John Thune.

Seriously. I thought democrats were starting to get it, but this move just shows they still don’t. Apparently even after Calais, Virginia democrats still think SCOTUS is some neutral forum that will fairly apply the law.

I’m not sure what it’s going to take to get it through their thick skulls. How about they take a page from how republicans have reacted to court losses?

They could look at Ohio republicans and just ignore their state Supreme Court.

Or they could look at Utah republicans, who launched a bad faith investigation of a justice who ruled against them and forced her to resign.

Or they want a veneer of legality around it, they could get creative and lower the retirement age for Supreme Court justices to 70, forcing one of the justices who ruled against them off the bench, immediately appoint a replacement, and get the case reheard.

Okay. Say the Supremes overturn the referendum ruling.
You do know that the Dems appealed to the VASC to delay the ruling (prior to the election) because of the Virginia law--you know, the law they are NOW complaining about with the timing of the election.

GOP has also filed against the referendum results on the basis of the lack of "neutral language" in it. VA Supremes did not rule on that because they already overruled the referendum.
I don't understand how this all works, but if the US Supremes rule in favor of the Dems, does that case still get considered?

Why are you wasting time thinking about things that won’t happen. The Supreme Court is controlled by republicans and will vote for republican interests. Why can’t democrats understand that? It’s like you guys just can’t let go of this fairy tale that the Supreme Court has anything to do with law or justice. They are politicians in robes. Accept that and act accordingly.

So make them do it. Don't pre-surrender. Make them do what we all know they are going to do. Hem them in and expose the partisan bs for the partisan bs it is.

Whether State Constitutions, State Courts, State Electorates, and State Governors even have any say in federal elections is something this partisan SCOTUS (and the GOP) has been flirting with and was the legal cover for what they were trying to do on Jan 6th.

Louisiana is talking about cancelling an election that is ongoing right now in order to redistrict after the VRA decision.

Make SCOTUS either rule against those shenanigans or overturn the Virginia Courts decision. There are broader implications involved. What's good for the goose must be good for the gander. Not making them choose is a flight of idiocy.

Make them do what? This is a state issue, the Supreme Court will never take this case. This another laughable attempt by libs to cheat.

Rule against the Indepent Legislature Theory which believes that State Legislatures, and only State Legislatures, have complete and final say on all things regarding elections, including determing who won, regardless of what the voters, state courts or state constitutions might say.

It's a ridiculous theory pushed by the GOP on Jan 6th that hasn't been explicitly repudiated. If it were true then the State court ruling (and referendum) wouldn't matter.

That theory is not in play in this case. That theory does not mean that the legislature can do whatever it wants.

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Anonymous wrote:SCOTUS won’t take the case, more time and money wasted by VA democrats.

I can’t even with this lawyer brain. This was a decision by republican politicians to help out other republican politicians. So now they want to appeal to yet another group of republican politicians? Gee guys, I wonder what they’ll do? They might as well appeal to a committee of Donald Trump, Mike Johnson, and John Thune.

Seriously. I thought democrats were starting to get it, but this move just shows they still don’t. Apparently even after Calais, Virginia democrats still think SCOTUS is some neutral forum that will fairly apply the law.

I’m not sure what it’s going to take to get it through their thick skulls. How about they take a page from how republicans have reacted to court losses?

They could look at Ohio republicans and just ignore their state Supreme Court.

Or they could look at Utah republicans, who launched a bad faith investigation of a justice who ruled against them and forced her to resign.

Or they want a veneer of legality around it, they could get creative and lower the retirement age for Supreme Court justices to 70, forcing one of the justices who ruled against them off the bench, immediately appoint a replacement, and get the case reheard.

Okay. Say the Supremes overturn the referendum ruling.
You do know that the Dems appealed to the VASC to delay the ruling (prior to the election) because of the Virginia law--you know, the law they are NOW complaining about with the timing of the election.

GOP has also filed against the referendum results on the basis of the lack of "neutral language" in it. VA Supremes did not rule on that because they already overruled the referendum.
I don't understand how this all works, but if the US Supremes rule in favor of the Dems, does that case still get considered?

Why are you wasting time thinking about things that won’t happen. The Supreme Court is controlled by republicans and will vote for republican interests. Why can’t democrats understand that? It’s like you guys just can’t let go of this fairy tale that the Supreme Court has anything to do with law or justice. They are politicians in robes. Accept that and act accordingly.

So make them do it. Don't pre-surrender. Make them do what we all know they are going to do. Hem them in and expose the partisan bs for the partisan bs it is.

Whether State Constitutions, State Courts, State Electorates, and State Governors even have any say in federal elections is something this partisan SCOTUS (and the GOP) has been flirting with and was the legal cover for what they were trying to do on Jan 6th.

Louisiana is talking about cancelling an election that is ongoing right now in order to redistrict after the VRA decision.

Make SCOTUS either rule against those shenanigans or overturn the Virginia Courts decision. There are broader implications involved. What's good for the goose must be good for the gander. Not making them choose is a flight of idiocy.

Make them do what? This is a state issue, the Supreme Court will never take this case. This another laughable attempt by libs to cheat.

Rule against the Indepent Legislature Theory which believes that State Legislatures, and only State Legislatures, have complete and final say on all things regarding elections, including determing who won, regardless of what the voters, state courts or state constitutions might say.

It's a ridiculous theory pushed by the GOP on Jan 6th that hasn't been explicitly repudiated. If it were true then the State court ruling (and referendum) wouldn't matter.

That theory is not in play in this case. That theory does not mean that the legislature can do whatever it wants.

Since Virginia has an SBE, it wouldn't matter if it did. The legislature would need to eliminate or replace the SBE and then redraw the maps as they see fit.

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Anonymous wrote:SCOTUS won’t take the case, more time and money wasted by VA democrats.

I can’t even with this lawyer brain. This was a decision by republican politicians to help out other republican politicians. So now they want to appeal to yet another group of republican politicians? Gee guys, I wonder what they’ll do? They might as well appeal to a committee of Donald Trump, Mike Johnson, and John Thune.

Seriously. I thought democrats were starting to get it, but this move just shows they still don’t. Apparently even after Calais, Virginia democrats still think SCOTUS is some neutral forum that will fairly apply the law.

I’m not sure what it’s going to take to get it through their thick skulls. How about they take a page from how republicans have reacted to court losses?

They could look at Ohio republicans and just ignore their state Supreme Court.

Or they could look at Utah republicans, who launched a bad faith investigation of a justice who ruled against them and forced her to resign.

Or they want a veneer of legality around it, they could get creative and lower the retirement age for Supreme Court justices to 70, forcing one of the justices who ruled against them off the bench, immediately appoint a replacement, and get the case reheard.

Okay. Say the Supremes overturn the referendum ruling.
You do know that the Dems appealed to the VASC to delay the ruling (prior to the election) because of the Virginia law--you know, the law they are NOW complaining about with the timing of the election.

GOP has also filed against the referendum results on the basis of the lack of "neutral language" in it. VA Supremes did not rule on that because they already overruled the referendum.
I don't understand how this all works, but if the US Supremes rule in favor of the Dems, does that case still get considered?

Why are you wasting time thinking about things that won’t happen. The Supreme Court is controlled by republicans and will vote for republican interests. Why can’t democrats understand that? It’s like you guys just can’t let go of this fairy tale that the Supreme Court has anything to do with law or justice. They are politicians in robes. Accept that and act accordingly.

So make them do it. Don't pre-surrender. Make them do what we all know they are going to do. Hem them in and expose the partisan bs for the partisan bs it is.

Whether State Constitutions, State Courts, State Electorates, and State Governors even have any say in federal elections is something this partisan SCOTUS (and the GOP) has been flirting with and was the legal cover for what they were trying to do on Jan 6th.

Louisiana is talking about cancelling an election that is ongoing right now in order to redistrict after the VRA decision.

Make SCOTUS either rule against those shenanigans or overturn the Virginia Courts decision. There are broader implications involved. What's good for the goose must be good for the gander. Not making them choose is a flight of idiocy.

And on what ground would they overturn the VA Supreme Court's ruling on what the Virginia Constitution says? SCOTUS has no say, unless there was some sort of due process issue which there is not. You seem to think you will make them go on record but that is not what would happen. They would just deny cert without comment. There is nothing partisan in this one.

According to their theory neither the VA Supreme Court or the Virginia Constitution has any relevence. The only thing that matters, according to their theory, is what the Legislature says.

Don't assume anything or pre-surrender. Use their own arguments.

That's been consistently rejected by the SCOTUS. You need a better attack.

No, it hasn't. The insane theories put forward to try and overturn the 2020 election have not been ruled against.

This has nothing to do with any of the arguments related to 2020.

Oh, you are one of the crazies that want SCOTUS to rule on when a state election starts and ends? That's an even more brain damaged lawsuit. Federal courts have no say in state elections.

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Anonymous wrote:SCOTUS won’t take the case, more time and money wasted by VA democrats.

I can’t even with this lawyer brain. This was a decision by republican politicians to help out other republican politicians. So now they want to appeal to yet another group of republican politicians? Gee guys, I wonder what they’ll do? They might as well appeal to a committee of Donald Trump, Mike Johnson, and John Thune.

Seriously. I thought democrats were starting to get it, but this move just shows they still don’t. Apparently even after Calais, Virginia democrats still think SCOTUS is some neutral forum that will fairly apply the law.

I’m not sure what it’s going to take to get it through their thick skulls. How about they take a page from how republicans have reacted to court losses?

They could look at Ohio republicans and just ignore their state Supreme Court.

Or they could look at Utah republicans, who launched a bad faith investigation of a justice who ruled against them and forced her to resign.

Or they want a veneer of legality around it, they could get creative and lower the retirement age for Supreme Court justices to 70, forcing one of the justices who ruled against them off the bench, immediately appoint a replacement, and get the case reheard.

Okay. Say the Supremes overturn the referendum ruling.
You do know that the Dems appealed to the VASC to delay the ruling (prior to the election) because of the Virginia law--you know, the law they are NOW complaining about with the timing of the election.

GOP has also filed against the referendum results on the basis of the lack of "neutral language" in it. VA Supremes did not rule on that because they already overruled the referendum.
I don't understand how this all works, but if the US Supremes rule in favor of the Dems, does that case still get considered?

Why are you wasting time thinking about things that won’t happen. The Supreme Court is controlled by republicans and will vote for republican interests. Why can’t democrats understand that? It’s like you guys just can’t let go of this fairy tale that the Supreme Court has anything to do with law or justice. They are politicians in robes. Accept that and act accordingly.

So make them do it. Don't pre-surrender. Make them do what we all know they are going to do. Hem them in and expose the partisan bs for the partisan bs it is.

Whether State Constitutions, State Courts, State Electorates, and State Governors even have any say in federal elections is something this partisan SCOTUS (and the GOP) has been flirting with and was the legal cover for what they were trying to do on Jan 6th.

Louisiana is talking about cancelling an election that is ongoing right now in order to redistrict after the VRA decision.

Make SCOTUS either rule against those shenanigans or overturn the Virginia Courts decision. There are broader implications involved. What's good for the goose must be good for the gander. Not making them choose is a flight of idiocy.

Make them do what? This is a state issue, the Supreme Court will never take this case. This another laughable attempt by libs to cheat.

Rule against the Indepent Legislature Theory which believes that State Legislatures, and only State Legislatures, have complete and final say on all things regarding elections, including determing who won, regardless of what the voters, state courts or state constitutions might say.

It's a ridiculous theory pushed by the GOP on Jan 6th that hasn't been explicitly repudiated. If it were true then the State court ruling (and referendum) wouldn't matter.

That theory is not in play in this case. That theory does not mean that the legislature can do whatever it wants.

The theory is only not in play because the Democrats (and non-MAGA Republicans) think it's ridiculous. It is ridiculous for what it is worth.

and Yes, it means exactly that.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Spanberger voter here who has never voted for Trump.

The Dems continue to disappoint us moderates. Trying to disenfranchise voters through gerrymandering, the wording of the amendment language, etc.

The MAGA politicians are horrible. Absolutely horrible. But the Dems continue to prove themselves no better. Sigh.

I guess it is back to third party.

I am this poster. I am mid 40s with undergrad and masters degrees from HYP.

Whether you think I’m right, or wrong, or stupid, or smart…. What matters is I don’t vote for Trump, and did vote for Spanberger. I don’t view current Democratic policies as any better that Republican, I don’t view their candidates as any better, and unfortunately, I can no longer view their ethics any better. So I’ll go back to third party and protest votes.

The whole “When they go low, we go high” thing had an appeal to people like me. Now that that’s been abandoned, I see no reason to vote blue.

Dems need voters like me, but keep driving them away.

+1. If it wasn't clear by only a 3% margin, Virginia is a purple state. Stop trying to make it the next California.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Spanberger voter here who has never voted for Trump.

The Dems continue to disappoint us moderates. Trying to disenfranchise voters through gerrymandering, the wording of the amendment language, etc.

The MAGA politicians are horrible. Absolutely horrible. But the Dems continue to prove themselves no better. Sigh.

I guess it is back to third party.

I am this poster. I am mid 40s with undergrad and masters degrees from HYP.

Whether you think I’m right, or wrong, or stupid, or smart…. What matters is I don’t vote for Trump, and did vote for Spanberger. I don’t view current Democratic policies as any better that Republican, I don’t view their candidates as any better, and unfortunately, I can no longer view their ethics any better. So I’ll go back to third party and protest votes.

The whole “When they go low, we go high” thing had an appeal to people like me. Now that that’s been abandoned, I see no reason to vote blue.

Dems need voters like me, but keep driving them away.

You are full of shit.

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Anonymous wrote:SCOTUS won’t take the case, more time and money wasted by VA democrats.

I can’t even with this lawyer brain. This was a decision by republican politicians to help out other republican politicians. So now they want to appeal to yet another group of republican politicians? Gee guys, I wonder what they’ll do? They might as well appeal to a committee of Donald Trump, Mike Johnson, and John Thune.

Seriously. I thought democrats were starting to get it, but this move just shows they still don’t. Apparently even after Calais, Virginia democrats still think SCOTUS is some neutral forum that will fairly apply the law.

I’m not sure what it’s going to take to get it through their thick skulls. How about they take a page from how republicans have reacted to court losses?

They could look at Ohio republicans and just ignore their state Supreme Court.

Or they could look at Utah republicans, who launched a bad faith investigation of a justice who ruled against them and forced her to resign.

Or they want a veneer of legality around it, they could get creative and lower the retirement age for Supreme Court justices to 70, forcing one of the justices who ruled against them off the bench, immediately appoint a replacement, and get the case reheard.

Okay. Say the Supremes overturn the referendum ruling.
You do know that the Dems appealed to the VASC to delay the ruling (prior to the election) because of the Virginia law--you know, the law they are NOW complaining about with the timing of the election.

GOP has also filed against the referendum results on the basis of the lack of "neutral language" in it. VA Supremes did not rule on that because they already overruled the referendum.
I don't understand how this all works, but if the US Supremes rule in favor of the Dems, does that case still get considered?

Why are you wasting time thinking about things that won’t happen. The Supreme Court is controlled by republicans and will vote for republican interests. Why can’t democrats understand that? It’s like you guys just can’t let go of this fairy tale that the Supreme Court has anything to do with law or justice. They are politicians in robes. Accept that and act accordingly.

So make them do it. Don't pre-surrender. Make them do what we all know they are going to do. Hem them in and expose the partisan bs for the partisan bs it is.

Whether State Constitutions, State Courts, State Electorates, and State Governors even have any say in federal elections is something this partisan SCOTUS (and the GOP) has been flirting with and was the legal cover for what they were trying to do on Jan 6th.

Louisiana is talking about cancelling an election that is ongoing right now in order to redistrict after the VRA decision.

Make SCOTUS either rule against those shenanigans or overturn the Virginia Courts decision. There are broader implications involved. What's good for the goose must be good for the gander. Not making them choose is a flight of idiocy.

And on what ground would they overturn the VA Supreme Court's ruling on what the Virginia Constitution says? SCOTUS has no say, unless there was some sort of due process issue which there is not. You seem to think you will make them go on record but that is not what would happen. They would just deny cert without comment. There is nothing partisan in this one.

According to their theory neither the VA Supreme Court or the Virginia Constitution has any relevence. The only thing that matters, according to their theory, is what the Legislature says.

Don't assume anything or pre-surrender. Use their own arguments.

Didn't the VA legislature propose the original amendment to have non-partisan redistricting? I think it passed with well over 60%.

The irony is that in the court case, it was the AG who requested that the election go forward and wait until after the election to rule.

And the legislature proposed this one as well. According to MAGA theory the legislature has absolute unchecked power to do whatever they want without regard to state constitutions, state courts or even the results of a vote.

Re all the dishonest liberal pundits spouting off numbers about the Virginia vote total on redistricting:

1.605 million -- YES
1.499 million -- NO

2.771 million -- YES
1.447 million -- NO

The first vote was on the 10-1 map.

The second vote was on the Amendment to the Virginia Constitution in 2020 banning partisan gerrymandering in the drawing of congressional maps.

Where was democracy most ignored?

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Anonymous wrote:SCOTUS won’t take the case, more time and money wasted by VA democrats.

I can’t even with this lawyer brain. This was a decision by republican politicians to help out other republican politicians. So now they want to appeal to yet another group of republican politicians? Gee guys, I wonder what they’ll do? They might as well appeal to a committee of Donald Trump, Mike Johnson, and John Thune.

Seriously. I thought democrats were starting to get it, but this move just shows they still don’t. Apparently even after Calais, Virginia democrats still think SCOTUS is some neutral forum that will fairly apply the law.

I’m not sure what it’s going to take to get it through their thick skulls. How about they take a page from how republicans have reacted to court losses?

They could look at Ohio republicans and just ignore their state Supreme Court.

Or they could look at Utah republicans, who launched a bad faith investigation of a justice who ruled against them and forced her to resign.

Or they want a veneer of legality around it, they could get creative and lower the retirement age for Supreme Court justices to 70, forcing one of the justices who ruled against them off the bench, immediately appoint a replacement, and get the case reheard.

Okay. Say the Supremes overturn the referendum ruling.
You do know that the Dems appealed to the VASC to delay the ruling (prior to the election) because of the Virginia law--you know, the law they are NOW complaining about with the timing of the election.

GOP has also filed against the referendum results on the basis of the lack of "neutral language" in it. VA Supremes did not rule on that because they already overruled the referendum.
I don't understand how this all works, but if the US Supremes rule in favor of the Dems, does that case still get considered?

Why are you wasting time thinking about things that won’t happen. The Supreme Court is controlled by republicans and will vote for republican interests. Why can’t democrats understand that? It’s like you guys just can’t let go of this fairy tale that the Supreme Court has anything to do with law or justice. They are politicians in robes. Accept that and act accordingly.

So make them do it. Don't pre-surrender. Make them do what we all know they are going to do. Hem them in and expose the partisan bs for the partisan bs it is.

Whether State Constitutions, State Courts, State Electorates, and State Governors even have any say in federal elections is something this partisan SCOTUS (and the GOP) has been flirting with and was the legal cover for what they were trying to do on Jan 6th.

Louisiana is talking about cancelling an election that is ongoing right now in order to redistrict after the VRA decision.

Make SCOTUS either rule against those shenanigans or overturn the Virginia Courts decision. There are broader implications involved. What's good for the goose must be good for the gander. Not making them choose is a flight of idiocy.

And on what ground would they overturn the VA Supreme Court's ruling on what the Virginia Constitution says? SCOTUS has no say, unless there was some sort of due process issue which there is not. You seem to think you will make them go on record but that is not what would happen. They would just deny cert without comment. There is nothing partisan in this one.

According to their theory neither the VA Supreme Court or the Virginia Constitution has any relevence. The only thing that matters, according to their theory, is what the Legislature says.

Don't assume anything or pre-surrender. Use their own arguments.

Didn't the VA legislature propose the original amendment to have non-partisan redistricting? I think it passed with well over 60%.

The irony is that in the court case, it was the AG who requested that the election go forward and wait until after the election to rule.

And the legislature proposed this one as well. According to MAGA theory the legislature has absolute unchecked power to do whatever they want without regard to state constitutions, state courts or even the results of a vote.

Re all the dishonest liberal pundits spouting off numbers about the Virginia vote total on redistricting:

1.605 million -- YES
1.499 million -- NO

2.771 million -- YES
1.447 million -- NO

The first vote was on the 10-1 map.

The second vote was on the Amendment to the Virginia Constitution in 2020 banning partisan gerrymandering in the drawing of congressional maps.

Where was democracy most ignored?

Ironically, most of the people who voted yes in 2020 were the same people voting yes again this year. Dems have been pushing to ban gerrymandering for years.

Republicans are perfectly fine with gerrymandering as long as it helps them.

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Anonymous wrote:LOL. So embarrassing.

Wow, it keeps getting worse and worse for them.

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Anonymous wrote:SCOTUS won’t take the case, more time and money wasted by VA democrats.

I can’t even with this lawyer brain. This was a decision by republican politicians to help out other republican politicians. So now they want to appeal to yet another group of republican politicians? Gee guys, I wonder what they’ll do? They might as well appeal to a committee of Donald Trump, Mike Johnson, and John Thune.

Seriously. I thought democrats were starting to get it, but this move just shows they still don’t. Apparently even after Calais, Virginia democrats still think SCOTUS is some neutral forum that will fairly apply the law.

I’m not sure what it’s going to take to get it through their thick skulls. How about they take a page from how republicans have reacted to court losses?

They could look at Ohio republicans and just ignore their state Supreme Court.

Or they could look at Utah republicans, who launched a bad faith investigation of a justice who ruled against them and forced her to resign.

Or they want a veneer of legality around it, they could get creative and lower the retirement age for Supreme Court justices to 70, forcing one of the justices who ruled against them off the bench, immediately appoint a replacement, and get the case reheard.

Okay. Say the Supremes overturn the referendum ruling.
You do know that the Dems appealed to the VASC to delay the ruling (prior to the election) because of the Virginia law--you know, the law they are NOW complaining about with the timing of the election.

GOP has also filed against the referendum results on the basis of the lack of "neutral language" in it. VA Supremes did not rule on that because they already overruled the referendum.
I don't understand how this all works, but if the US Supremes rule in favor of the Dems, does that case still get considered?

Why are you wasting time thinking about things that won’t happen. The Supreme Court is controlled by republicans and will vote for republican interests. Why can’t democrats understand that? It’s like you guys just can’t let go of this fairy tale that the Supreme Court has anything to do with law or justice. They are politicians in robes. Accept that and act accordingly.

So make them do it. Don't pre-surrender. Make them do what we all know they are going to do. Hem them in and expose the partisan bs for the partisan bs it is.

Whether State Constitutions, State Courts, State Electorates, and State Governors even have any say in federal elections is something this partisan SCOTUS (and the GOP) has been flirting with and was the legal cover for what they were trying to do on Jan 6th.

Louisiana is talking about cancelling an election that is ongoing right now in order to redistrict after the VRA decision.

Make SCOTUS either rule against those shenanigans or overturn the Virginia Courts decision. There are broader implications involved. What's good for the goose must be good for the gander. Not making them choose is a flight of idiocy.

And on what ground would they overturn the VA Supreme Court's ruling on what the Virginia Constitution says? SCOTUS has no say, unless there was some sort of due process issue which there is not. You seem to think you will make them go on record but that is not what would happen. They would just deny cert without comment. There is nothing partisan in this one.

According to their theory neither the VA Supreme Court or the Virginia Constitution has any relevence. The only thing that matters, according to their theory, is what the Legislature says.

Don't assume anything or pre-surrender. Use their own arguments.

Didn't the VA legislature propose the original amendment to have non-partisan redistricting? I think it passed with well over 60%.

The irony is that in the court case, it was the AG who requested that the election go forward and wait until after the election to rule.

And the legislature proposed this one as well. According to MAGA theory the legislature has absolute unchecked power to do whatever they want without regard to state constitutions, state courts or even the results of a vote.

Re all the dishonest liberal pundits spouting off numbers about the Virginia vote total on redistricting:

1.605 million -- YES
1.499 million -- NO

2.771 million -- YES
1.447 million -- NO

The first vote was on the 10-1 map.

The second vote was on the Amendment to the Virginia Constitution in 2020 banning partisan gerrymandering in the drawing of congressional maps.

Where was democracy most ignored?

Ironically, most of the people who voted yes in 2020 were the same people voting yes again this year. Dems have been pushing to ban gerrymandering for years.

Republicans are perfectly fine with gerrymandering as long as it helps them.

Doesn't that show Democrats are also perfectly fine with gerrymandering as long as it helps them?

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Anonymous wrote:SCOTUS won’t take the case, more time and money wasted by VA democrats.

I can’t even with this lawyer brain. This was a decision by republican politicians to help out other republican politicians. So now they want to appeal to yet another group of republican politicians? Gee guys, I wonder what they’ll do? They might as well appeal to a committee of Donald Trump, Mike Johnson, and John Thune.

Seriously. I thought democrats were starting to get it, but this move just shows they still don’t. Apparently even after Calais, Virginia democrats still think SCOTUS is some neutral forum that will fairly apply the law.

I’m not sure what it’s going to take to get it through their thick skulls. How about they take a page from how republicans have reacted to court losses?

They could look at Ohio republicans and just ignore their state Supreme Court.

Or they could look at Utah republicans, who launched a bad faith investigation of a justice who ruled against them and forced her to resign.

Or they want a veneer of legality around it, they could get creative and lower the retirement age for Supreme Court justices to 70, forcing one of the justices who ruled against them off the bench, immediately appoint a replacement, and get the case reheard.

Okay. Say the Supremes overturn the referendum ruling.
You do know that the Dems appealed to the VASC to delay the ruling (prior to the election) because of the Virginia law--you know, the law they are NOW complaining about with the timing of the election.

GOP has also filed against the referendum results on the basis of the lack of "neutral language" in it. VA Supremes did not rule on that because they already overruled the referendum.
I don't understand how this all works, but if the US Supremes rule in favor of the Dems, does that case still get considered?

Why are you wasting time thinking about things that won’t happen. The Supreme Court is controlled by republicans and will vote for republican interests. Why can’t democrats understand that? It’s like you guys just can’t let go of this fairy tale that the Supreme Court has anything to do with law or justice. They are politicians in robes. Accept that and act accordingly.

So make them do it. Don't pre-surrender. Make them do what we all know they are going to do. Hem them in and expose the partisan bs for the partisan bs it is.

Whether State Constitutions, State Courts, State Electorates, and State Governors even have any say in federal elections is something this partisan SCOTUS (and the GOP) has been flirting with and was the legal cover for what they were trying to do on Jan 6th.

Louisiana is talking about cancelling an election that is ongoing right now in order to redistrict after the VRA decision.

Make SCOTUS either rule against those shenanigans or overturn the Virginia Courts decision. There are broader implications involved. What's good for the goose must be good for the gander. Not making them choose is a flight of idiocy.

And on what ground would they overturn the VA Supreme Court's ruling on what the Virginia Constitution says? SCOTUS has no say, unless there was some sort of due process issue which there is not. You seem to think you will make them go on record but that is not what would happen. They would just deny cert without comment. There is nothing partisan in this one.

According to their theory neither the VA Supreme Court or the Virginia Constitution has any relevence. The only thing that matters, according to their theory, is what the Legislature says.

Don't assume anything or pre-surrender. Use their own arguments.

Didn't the VA legislature propose the original amendment to have non-partisan redistricting? I think it passed with well over 60%.

The irony is that in the court case, it was the AG who requested that the election go forward and wait until after the election to rule.

And the legislature proposed this one as well. According to MAGA theory the legislature has absolute unchecked power to do whatever they want without regard to state constitutions, state courts or even the results of a vote.

Re all the dishonest liberal pundits spouting off numbers about the Virginia vote total on redistricting:

1.605 million -- YES
1.499 million -- NO

2.771 million -- YES
1.447 million -- NO

The first vote was on the 10-1 map.

The second vote was on the Amendment to the Virginia Constitution in 2020 banning partisan gerrymandering in the drawing of congressional maps.

Where was democracy most ignored?

Ironically, most of the people who voted yes in 2020 were the same people voting yes again this year. Dems have been pushing to ban gerrymandering for years.

Republicans are perfectly fine with gerrymandering as long as it helps them.

Doesn't that show Democrats are also perfectly fine with gerrymandering as long as it helps them?

Between tolerating gerrymandering and empowering the incredibly corrupt party in the White House, we chose to tolerate gerrymandering.