Bridgerton Season 4

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Anonymous wrote:Is it Pamela or Cinderella? A hybrid, I guess.

I didn't note the titles if the books Eloise mentions. Did anyone else, and were they real books?

And what happens if she is a spinster? She's just supported by her family indefinitely and gets to live in bridgerton house forever?

Yah, since her family is super rich, they'd probably just support her. She'd be expected to become the caretaker to Violet in her old age and she'd need to stay on good terms with Anthony, who controls the family's money and could allocate an allowance for her. They aren't obligated to do so, though, and if they had a falling out she could be on the street. They are super rich though, so as long as Anthony agrees to support her, she could probably live pretty well. Especially since all she cares about are books and not clothes or parties. They have lots of houses too (like Benedict's random "country cottage" with two full time caretakers that just sits around unused) and she could easily stay in one of them.

But it's interesting to see her chaffing a bit at the loss in social status that would come from being a spinster. It's the kind of thing that a natural contrarian like Eloise might not realize is important to her until she sees herself on the edge of losing. Being relegated to spinster status takes her out of the social mix. That's great for avoiding dancing at parties, not great if you are the sort of person who likes discussing politics and ideas. It's hard for any woman to gain access to those conversations in that time period, but a married woman would have a lot more options than a spinster because she could leverage her role as hostess to bring interesting people into her house and get invites to others. All of this is dawning on Eloise for the first time, that marriage is a form of social currency for women and not just about wearing pretty gowns and giggling over gentlemen.

More history! Bridgerton takes place just a few years after the death of the Duchess of Devonshire, Georgiana Cavendish. Georgiana used her elevated position to become a published author and quite influential in Whig politics at the time. She was also a girlhood friend of Marie Antoinette. If anyone is interested in some very interesting reading on how both Antoinette and Cavendish used their positions to influence politics and society using the feminine tools at their disposal (fashion, entertaining), I highly recommend Queen of Fashion: What Marie Antoinette Wore to the Revolution and The Duchess. Both books served as inspiration for movies about these women, the Sophia Coppola movie about MA starring Kiersten Dunst, and the biopic of Georgiana starring Kiera Knightly. Fun reads and watches across the board.

Super interesting! Thank You!

It's fun to imagine what I'd be like in those times. Knowing society as it is now, my first inclination is that I'd be like standoffish Eloise but that may be just because I don't really have a full appreciation of the status of women and their potential small spheres of influence.

Also in previous seasons Eloise was much more likeable and appeared to have strong viewpoints. Now she mainly complains.

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I miss Portia Featherington’s shenanigans.

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Like someone mentioned up thread, I'm interested in learning more about Varley. What does she do in her free time? Hope will she fare in her new post?

I'm guessing/hoping Varley may end up back with the Featheringtons in the end, but at a higher pay rate. I was so offended on her behalf by those old dresses.

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We also really haven’t seen much of Penelope’s sisters. They often provided some comedic relief. Side note, one of them is dating the actor who plays Benedict. Lucky gal!!

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Anonymous wrote:I realize this is going to enrage the "don't teach me history" people, but I'm just saw the most interesting fact. Apparently an extremely niche historical error in Season 4 is that Benedict is actually swimming a more modern stroke, the front crawl wasn't used in Britain until later in the 1800s, someone in that era would have been swimming breast stroke.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Front_crawl
https://blog.myswimpro.com/2023/05/30/the-history-of-swimming-strokes/

As someone who learned to swim so young it honestly never even occurred to me that the swimming stroke we sort of consider default is pretty modern. I could have guessed that for something like butterfly but not front crawl.

So THIS is an interesting bit of trivia to add to the Bridgerton discussion.

Making every other post about Pamela Who Cares is not.

OMG stop. The plot is literally lifted from Pamela.

DP. That hasn’t been confirmed from the show’s writers though, has it?

It doesn’t need to be confirmed ….

It’s just a coincidence then. Also there is the Cinderella thing.

I don’t understand what you think this conversation is about? It is an artistic/literary production in a long traditions of getting inspiration from the historical era. Of course there are myriad influences visible including common plots and novels - I mean if you didn’t see the reference to Mr Darcy in the lake (which is actually from the miniseries and not the book!) I don’t know what to tell you. Nobody is claiming that they plagiarized or whatever but the influence of various sources (Pamela, Cinderella, the BBC Pride and Prejudice) are easy to see!

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Anonymous wrote:Like someone mentioned up thread, I'm interested in learning more about Varley. What does she do in her free time? Hope will she fare in her new post?

I'm guessing/hoping Varley may end up back with the Featheringtons in the end, but at a higher pay rate. I was so offended on her behalf by those old dresses.

I have a funny feeling she will end up reporting stuff back to Portia regarding Lady Pemberley’s evil deeds.

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Anonymous wrote:I realize this is going to enrage the "don't teach me history" people, but I'm just saw the most interesting fact. Apparently an extremely niche historical error in Season 4 is that Benedict is actually swimming a more modern stroke, the front crawl wasn't used in Britain until later in the 1800s, someone in that era would have been swimming breast stroke.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Front_crawl
https://blog.myswimpro.com/2023/05/30/the-history-of-swimming-strokes/

As someone who learned to swim so young it honestly never even occurred to me that the swimming stroke we sort of consider default is pretty modern. I could have guessed that for something like butterfly but not front crawl.

So THIS is an interesting bit of trivia to add to the Bridgerton discussion.

Making every other post about Pamela Who Cares is not.

OMG stop. The plot is literally lifted from Pamela.

DP. That hasn’t been confirmed from the show’s writers though, has it?

It doesn’t need to be confirmed ….

It’s just a coincidence then. Also there is the Cinderella thing.

I don’t understand what you think this conversation is about? It is an artistic/literary production in a long traditions of getting inspiration from the historical era. Of course there are myriad influences visible including common plots and novels - I mean if you didn’t see the reference to Mr Darcy in the lake (which is actually from the miniseries and not the book!) I don’t know what to tell you. Nobody is claiming that they plagiarized or whatever but the influence of various sources (Pamela, Cinderella, the BBC Pride and Prejudice) are easy to see!

Someone said the plot was “literally lifted from Pamela” and I’m not sure that’s true.

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Anonymous wrote:I realize this is going to enrage the "don't teach me history" people, but I'm just saw the most interesting fact. Apparently an extremely niche historical error in Season 4 is that Benedict is actually swimming a more modern stroke, the front crawl wasn't used in Britain until later in the 1800s, someone in that era would have been swimming breast stroke.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Front_crawl
https://blog.myswimpro.com/2023/05/30/the-history-of-swimming-strokes/

As someone who learned to swim so young it honestly never even occurred to me that the swimming stroke we sort of consider default is pretty modern. I could have guessed that for something like butterfly but not front crawl.

So THIS is an interesting bit of trivia to add to the Bridgerton discussion.

Making every other post about Pamela Who Cares is not.

OMG stop. The plot is literally lifted from Pamela.

DP. That hasn’t been confirmed from the show’s writers though, has it?

It doesn’t need to be confirmed ….

It’s just a coincidence then. Also there is the Cinderella thing.

I don’t understand what you think this conversation is about? It is an artistic/literary production in a long traditions of getting inspiration from the historical era. Of course there are myriad influences visible including common plots and novels - I mean if you didn’t see the reference to Mr Darcy in the lake (which is actually from the miniseries and not the book!) I don’t know what to tell you. Nobody is claiming that they plagiarized or whatever but the influence of various sources (Pamela, Cinderella, the BBC Pride and Prejudice) are easy to see!

Someone said the plot was “literally lifted from Pamela” and I’m not sure that’s true.

Ugh. Again nobody is saying that plagiarism was committed. Stop being so literal.

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Anonymous wrote:I realize this is going to enrage the "don't teach me history" people, but I'm just saw the most interesting fact. Apparently an extremely niche historical error in Season 4 is that Benedict is actually swimming a more modern stroke, the front crawl wasn't used in Britain until later in the 1800s, someone in that era would have been swimming breast stroke.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Front_crawl
https://blog.myswimpro.com/2023/05/30/the-history-of-swimming-strokes/

As someone who learned to swim so young it honestly never even occurred to me that the swimming stroke we sort of consider default is pretty modern. I could have guessed that for something like butterfly but not front crawl.

So THIS is an interesting bit of trivia to add to the Bridgerton discussion.

Making every other post about Pamela Who Cares is not.

OMG stop. The plot is literally lifted from Pamela.

DP. That hasn’t been confirmed from the show’s writers though, has it?

It doesn’t need to be confirmed ….

It’s just a coincidence then. Also there is the Cinderella thing.

I don’t understand what you think this conversation is about? It is an artistic/literary production in a long traditions of getting inspiration from the historical era. Of course there are myriad influences visible including common plots and novels - I mean if you didn’t see the reference to Mr Darcy in the lake (which is actually from the miniseries and not the book!) I don’t know what to tell you. Nobody is claiming that they plagiarized or whatever but the influence of various sources (Pamela, Cinderella, the BBC Pride and Prejudice) are easy to see!

Someone said the plot was “literally lifted from Pamela” and I’m not sure that’s true.

Ugh. Again nobody is saying that plagiarism was committed. Stop being so literal.

It is not the same story at all anyway.

Touch grass honey.

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Anonymous wrote:I realize this is going to enrage the "don't teach me history" people, but I'm just saw the most interesting fact. Apparently an extremely niche historical error in Season 4 is that Benedict is actually swimming a more modern stroke, the front crawl wasn't used in Britain until later in the 1800s, someone in that era would have been swimming breast stroke.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Front_crawl
https://blog.myswimpro.com/2023/05/30/the-history-of-swimming-strokes/

As someone who learned to swim so young it honestly never even occurred to me that the swimming stroke we sort of consider default is pretty modern. I could have guessed that for something like butterfly but not front crawl.

So THIS is an interesting bit of trivia to add to the Bridgerton discussion.

Making every other post about Pamela Who Cares is not.

OMG stop. The plot is literally lifted from Pamela.

DP. That hasn’t been confirmed from the show’s writers though, has it?

It doesn’t need to be confirmed ….

It’s just a coincidence then. Also there is the Cinderella thing.

I don’t understand what you think this conversation is about? It is an artistic/literary production in a long traditions of getting inspiration from the historical era. Of course there are myriad influences visible including common plots and novels - I mean if you didn’t see the reference to Mr Darcy in the lake (which is actually from the miniseries and not the book!) I don’t know what to tell you. Nobody is claiming that they plagiarized or whatever but the influence of various sources (Pamela, Cinderella, the BBC Pride and Prejudice) are easy to see!

You seem to be trying to start something over nothing. Responding rudely if someone doesn’t 100 percent agree with you. It’s very odd. I think I know you. You are the Dr. Collins lover from the The Pitt thread. You like to stir up drama in turn every thread about a show.

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Anonymous wrote:I realize this is going to enrage the "don't teach me history" people, but I'm just saw the most interesting fact. Apparently an extremely niche historical error in Season 4 is that Benedict is actually swimming a more modern stroke, the front crawl wasn't used in Britain until later in the 1800s, someone in that era would have been swimming breast stroke.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Front_crawl
https://blog.myswimpro.com/2023/05/30/the-history-of-swimming-strokes/

As someone who learned to swim so young it honestly never even occurred to me that the swimming stroke we sort of consider default is pretty modern. I could have guessed that for something like butterfly but not front crawl.

So THIS is an interesting bit of trivia to add to the Bridgerton discussion.

Making every other post about Pamela Who Cares is not.

OMG stop. The plot is literally lifted from Pamela.

DP. That hasn’t been confirmed from the show’s writers though, has it?

It doesn’t need to be confirmed ….

It’s just a coincidence then. Also there is the Cinderella thing.

I don’t understand what you think this conversation is about? It is an artistic/literary production in a long traditions of getting inspiration from the historical era. Of course there are myriad influences visible including common plots and novels - I mean if you didn’t see the reference to Mr Darcy in the lake (which is actually from the miniseries and not the book!) I don’t know what to tell you. Nobody is claiming that they plagiarized or whatever but the influence of various sources (Pamela, Cinderella, the BBC Pride and Prejudice) are easy to see!

Someone said the plot was “literally lifted from Pamela” and I’m not sure that’s true.

Ugh. Again nobody is saying that plagiarism was committed. Stop being so literal.

It is not the same story at all anyway.

Touch grass honey.

You do understand what the word “influence” means right?

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Anonymous wrote:I realize this is going to enrage the "don't teach me history" people, but I'm just saw the most interesting fact. Apparently an extremely niche historical error in Season 4 is that Benedict is actually swimming a more modern stroke, the front crawl wasn't used in Britain until later in the 1800s, someone in that era would have been swimming breast stroke.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Front_crawl
https://blog.myswimpro.com/2023/05/30/the-history-of-swimming-strokes/

As someone who learned to swim so young it honestly never even occurred to me that the swimming stroke we sort of consider default is pretty modern. I could have guessed that for something like butterfly but not front crawl.

So THIS is an interesting bit of trivia to add to the Bridgerton discussion.

Making every other post about Pamela Who Cares is not.

OMG stop. The plot is literally lifted from Pamela.

DP. That hasn’t been confirmed from the show’s writers though, has it?

It doesn’t need to be confirmed ….

It’s just a coincidence then. Also there is the Cinderella thing.

I don’t understand what you think this conversation is about? It is an artistic/literary production in a long traditions of getting inspiration from the historical era. Of course there are myriad influences visible including common plots and novels - I mean if you didn’t see the reference to Mr Darcy in the lake (which is actually from the miniseries and not the book!) I don’t know what to tell you. Nobody is claiming that they plagiarized or whatever but the influence of various sources (Pamela, Cinderella, the BBC Pride and Prejudice) are easy to see!

Someone said the plot was “literally lifted from Pamela” and I’m not sure that’s true.

Ugh. Again nobody is saying that plagiarism was committed. Stop being so literal.

I said nothing about plagiarism. I said I don’t believe Bridgerton Season 4 is “literally lifted from Pamela.” Influenced maybe? Would have to hear from the writers of the show. Stop being so confrontational and rude.

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Anonymous wrote:The only couple that had chemistry was Season 1.

And I didn't think they had any chemistry at ALL! She was so wooden, and he was completely one dimensional. I watched the first season since I like things like Downton Abbey and P&P but honestly couldn't get into it. Never watched other seasons.

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Anonymous wrote:I realize this is going to enrage the "don't teach me history" people, but I'm just saw the most interesting fact. Apparently an extremely niche historical error in Season 4 is that Benedict is actually swimming a more modern stroke, the front crawl wasn't used in Britain until later in the 1800s, someone in that era would have been swimming breast stroke.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Front_crawl
https://blog.myswimpro.com/2023/05/30/the-history-of-swimming-strokes/

As someone who learned to swim so young it honestly never even occurred to me that the swimming stroke we sort of consider default is pretty modern. I could have guessed that for something like butterfly but not front crawl.

So THIS is an interesting bit of trivia to add to the Bridgerton discussion.

Making every other post about Pamela Who Cares is not.

OMG stop. The plot is literally lifted from Pamela.

DP. That hasn’t been confirmed from the show’s writers though, has it?

It doesn’t need to be confirmed ….

It’s just a coincidence then. Also there is the Cinderella thing.

I don’t understand what you think this conversation is about? It is an artistic/literary production in a long traditions of getting inspiration from the historical era. Of course there are myriad influences visible including common plots and novels - I mean if you didn’t see the reference to Mr Darcy in the lake (which is actually from the miniseries and not the book!) I don’t know what to tell you. Nobody is claiming that they plagiarized or whatever but the influence of various sources (Pamela, Cinderella, the BBC Pride and Prejudice) are easy to see!

You seem to be trying to start something over nothing. Responding rudely if someone doesn’t 100 percent agree with you. It’s very odd. I think I know you. You are the Dr. Collins lover from the The Pitt thread. You like to stir up drama in turn every thread about a show.

I don’t watch The Pitt, so no. But yes I am pushing back against the PPs who claim that discussing the historical background and literary/artistic influences is somehow out of line.

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Anonymous wrote:I realize this is going to enrage the "don't teach me history" people, but I'm just saw the most interesting fact. Apparently an extremely niche historical error in Season 4 is that Benedict is actually swimming a more modern stroke, the front crawl wasn't used in Britain until later in the 1800s, someone in that era would have been swimming breast stroke.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Front_crawl
https://blog.myswimpro.com/2023/05/30/the-history-of-swimming-strokes/

As someone who learned to swim so young it honestly never even occurred to me that the swimming stroke we sort of consider default is pretty modern. I could have guessed that for something like butterfly but not front crawl.

So THIS is an interesting bit of trivia to add to the Bridgerton discussion.

Making every other post about Pamela Who Cares is not.

OMG stop. The plot is literally lifted from Pamela.

DP. That hasn’t been confirmed from the show’s writers though, has it?

It doesn’t need to be confirmed ….

It’s just a coincidence then. Also there is the Cinderella thing.

I don’t understand what you think this conversation is about? It is an artistic/literary production in a long traditions of getting inspiration from the historical era. Of course there are myriad influences visible including common plots and novels - I mean if you didn’t see the reference to Mr Darcy in the lake (which is actually from the miniseries and not the book!) I don’t know what to tell you. Nobody is claiming that they plagiarized or whatever but the influence of various sources (Pamela, Cinderella, the BBC Pride and Prejudice) are easy to see!

Someone said the plot was “literally lifted from Pamela” and I’m not sure that’s true.

Ugh. Again nobody is saying that plagiarism was committed. Stop being so literal.

I said nothing about plagiarism. I said I don’t believe Bridgerton Season 4 is “literally lifted from Pamela.” Influenced maybe? Would have to hear from the writers of the show. Stop being so confrontational and rude.

This all started with a PP (maybe not you) insulting posters for bringing up obvious influences and historical background. And no it is not necessary for the writers room to list everything they have read or seen to see it! I mean taking the easier examples, Cinderella and the famous Mr Darcy lake scene are obvious!