Option H is permanent and the old Wootton HS campus will be closed for good?

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Anonymous wrote:Option H may work and could be a strong long-term solution, but it also comes with significant uncertainties. It risks leaving an empty building behind, as we have seen elsewhere, and it would remove a neighborhood high school from the heart of Rockville. Many families are also confused by the idea that funding exists to use Wootton as a holding school, yet not to fully modernize it. That said, Option H does have real advantages and should be considered carefully as part of an honest, transparent discussion. This discussion casts families as either “stealing” Crown or acting as though they are “too good” for Crown. BOTH characterizations are harmful and untrue. What needs to stop is the name-calling and the assumption of bad motives when parents are advocating for their children. Years of fiscal and planning decisions by MCPS and the Board of Education put us in this position. Parents are trying to navigate the consequences, not undermine solutions. Assumptions and name-calling don’t move us forward.

What people are irritated about is that Wooten is not unique in needing repairs or a new school. They are not the only school who has been on the CIP, removed and is still waiting. You’re being presented the chance to get a new building but complaining about where it is located. Read the room. Be adults. No one is getting everything they want. So either you want a new building or you don’t. And if you choose no, understand that no one wants to hear ya’ll complaining about how unsafe Wooten is.

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Either take Option H or just stop complaining. If MCPS abandons Option H, the rest of us do not want to hear you whine about how old and moldy your damn school is. Your kids will be in the moldy school because you chose not to let them mix with black and hispanic people, but instead of saying that you make it about distance and all that crap.

There is nothing wrong with advocating for a school to be fixed. And parents shouldn’t be “punished” for doing so. I think a lot of us went to high schools that were in pretty terrible shape. The only difference is now there is internet and camera phones where these things didn’t exist when I was in high school-so making horrible conditions known is much much easier. Do I think there would have been such strong advocacy if this was going to be the known outcome? I’m going to say no. Changing the entire dynamic of a school because you want it fixed is not fair.

The rest of us are not saying your first ask was unreasonable. We are saying you got a solution from MCPS, but you did not like it and pushed back against MCPS again, so don't whine if MCPS listens to you again and stops Option H. You were given a chance that you did not take, again, when you were only 3rd in line for renovations. Honestly, MCPS was being generous towards Wootton by proposing Option H. There are many times MCPS sucks but not this time.

And about the dynamic, are you so afraid of your kids being friends with Black and Hispanic people?

We are Asian and my kid goes to a DCC school and most of my kid's friends are Hispanic and Black (the school has 60% Hispanic population). They are all just fine.

The racism from Wootton parents is insufferable.

Yet, the only people being racist are you when you constantly bring it up when it literally wasn’t even relevant to the previous comment.

Really? "Dynamic" - what dynamic??

Maybe the one where it’s in a completely different place? the one where the walkable families can no longer walk? Maybe that dynamic?

But there are plenty of Wootton families that will now be able to walk if they are moved to Crown. We live literally across the street from Crown and my kid takes a bus to Wootton everyday. It just shifts who can walk and who takes a bus, it doesn't eliminate all walkers.

You know your particular area should have never been zoned for Wootton in the first place-so absolutely makes sense for you to go to Crown. And you should fight to go! And those of us walkable to Wootton should get to keep our school.

Yeah it’s kinda ridiculous that Rio people are fighting against whole Wootton to move to crown.

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Anonymous wrote:Option H may work and could be a strong long-term solution, but it also comes with significant uncertainties. It risks leaving an empty building behind, as we have seen elsewhere, and it would remove a neighborhood high school from the heart of Rockville. Many families are also confused by the idea that funding exists to use Wootton as a holding school, yet not to fully modernize it. That said, Option H does have real advantages and should be considered carefully as part of an honest, transparent discussion. This discussion casts families as either “stealing” Crown or acting as though they are “too good” for Crown. BOTH characterizations are harmful and untrue. What needs to stop is the name-calling and the assumption of bad motives when parents are advocating for their children. Years of fiscal and planning decisions by MCPS and the Board of Education put us in this position. Parents are trying to navigate the consequences, not undermine solutions. Assumptions and name-calling don’t move us forward.

What people are irritated about is that Wooten is not unique in needing repairs or a new school. They are not the only school who has been on the CIP, removed and is still waiting. You’re being presented the chance to get a new building but complaining about where it is located. Read the room. Be adults. No one is getting everything they want. So either you want a new building or you don’t. And if you choose no, understand that no one wants to hear ya’ll complaining about how unsafe Wooten is.

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Either take Option H or just stop complaining. If MCPS abandons Option H, the rest of us do not want to hear you whine about how old and moldy your damn school is. Your kids will be in the moldy school because you chose not to let them mix with black and hispanic people, but instead of saying that you make it about distance and all that crap.

It doesn’t really matter whether you want to hear or not. They deserve safe learning environment and they can’t be treated differently than other schools. Don’t keep the narrative that the only way Wootton can have a safe learning enrichment is to give up on their school. This is not fair.

DP. Great. Now apply that same principle to each MCPS-served community. And make sure it covers academic opportunity and all the rest for any individual student, as well. Solve for y.

It's not that moving Wootton to a new facility and incorporating the nearby communities should be the only option. That option should be explored, adjusted and evaluated with the entirety of the system in mind, though, even as MCPS should be considering ways to ensure the overall plan for the more impacted individual neighborhoods/families result in broadly equitable provision of educational services.

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Anonymous wrote:Option H may work and could be a strong long-term solution, but it also comes with significant uncertainties. It risks leaving an empty building behind, as we have seen elsewhere, and it would remove a neighborhood high school from the heart of Rockville. Many families are also confused by the idea that funding exists to use Wootton as a holding school, yet not to fully modernize it. That said, Option H does have real advantages and should be considered carefully as part of an honest, transparent discussion. This discussion casts families as either “stealing” Crown or acting as though they are “too good” for Crown. BOTH characterizations are harmful and untrue. What needs to stop is the name-calling and the assumption of bad motives when parents are advocating for their children. Years of fiscal and planning decisions by MCPS and the Board of Education put us in this position. Parents are trying to navigate the consequences, not undermine solutions. Assumptions and name-calling don’t move us forward.

What people are irritated about is that Wooten is not unique in needing repairs or a new school. They are not the only school who has been on the CIP, removed and is still waiting. You’re being presented the chance to get a new building but complaining about where it is located. Read the room. Be adults. No one is getting everything they want. So either you want a new building or you don’t. And if you choose no, understand that no one wants to hear ya’ll complaining about how unsafe Wooten is.

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Either take Option H or just stop complaining. If MCPS abandons Option H, the rest of us do not want to hear you whine about how old and moldy your damn school is. Your kids will be in the moldy school because you chose not to let them mix with black and hispanic people, but instead of saying that you make it about distance and all that crap.

There is nothing wrong with advocating for a school to be fixed. And parents shouldn’t be “punished” for doing so. I think a lot of us went to high schools that were in pretty terrible shape. The only difference is now there is internet and camera phones where these things didn’t exist when I was in high school-so making horrible conditions known is much much easier. Do I think there would have been such strong advocacy if this was going to be the known outcome? I’m going to say no. Changing the entire dynamic of a school because you want it fixed is not fair.

If it were to be fixed at best it would be 10-15 years and many schools are in worse condition. You are getting a new school. Take it and stop complainings.

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Anonymous wrote:Churchill is 7 miles from Crown, it’s not in the vicinity.
Whitman, Walter Johnson, Wootton, Woodward, BCC, Richard Montgomery are all much closer to Churchill than Crown.

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Anonymous wrote:To your question option H gives them a chance so they should be making their voices heard. Options A-D are worse for Dufief.

Options E-G also keep Dufief with Wootton. IMO G is a non starter but I’m 100% on board with E and F right now. H won’t happen and A-D split the cluster.

And that is how it should be - MCPS splitting up clusters to fill Crown. You cannot have all black and Hispanic population alone go to Crown. It needs to be diverse. Every highschool cluster in Crown's vicinity should be broken up

What makes Wootton and Churchill so special? Don't answer that.

Okay I will rephrase that - What makes Wootton so special?

I checked google maps and Wootton is 3.8 miles from Crown and 3.4 miles from Churchill. 0.4 miles is Negligible. Wootton is also the closest to Crown.

Crown:
Wootton - 3.8 miles
Gaithersburg HS - 4.5 miles
QO - 4.4 miles

These three schools should be the ones filling up Crown. Wootton is not that special. Churchill is overcrowded and MCPS cannot send kids from Wootton to Churchill when they can easily send them to Crown which was built to address overcrowding. MCPS is 100% right with offering modified Option H to Wootton to kill 2 birds with one stone - the safety issues due to mold at Wootton as well as over crowding in Gaithersburg and QO.

Wootton parents put up a stink only because they don't want to mix with brown and hispanic and low ses.

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Coming to Woodward:
Walter Johnson - 1.6 miles
Churchill - 3.2 miles
Wheaton - 3.9 miles
Richard Montgomery - 4.0 miles
Rockville High school - 4.2 miles
Kennedy 5.6 miles

Obviously the rezoning here should happen between Walter Johnson, Churchill, Wheaton, Richard Montgomery and maybe Rockville
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Churchill:
Woodward - 3.2 miles
Walter Johnson - 3.3 miles
*Wootton - 3.4 miles
Richard Montgomery - 3.8 miles

Among these only Wootton is close to Crown, so Wootton cannot be part of the Woodward study and belongs in the Crown study and the other three should be part of Woodward study.

I'm not familiar with the Woodward study but I hope this is what MCPS is doing.

The fact that they set things up so that they have no options for moving neighborhoods between Churchill and Whitman is all anyone needs to know to see that their scoping of the boundary studies was woefully insufficient. And have you heard about the ridiculous unaddressed overcrowding situation at Blake?

It isn't that some schools belong in one study or another more, it's that all schools should have been involved in a single study from the beginning. Elementaries too, as they are setting themselves up for more failure by first constraining the secondary boundaries to inefficient fixed elementary boundaries (or limiting split articulations, there) and then coming back in a year to do elementary boundaries that will be artificially constrained by the then-fixed but inefficient (due to the prior elementary constraint) secondary boundaries they will have chosen.

The system needs to be doing this overall adjustment about once a decade. That would tend to have more incremental effect. It's been far, far too long, and the large disruptions seen for some communities in the current effort are a result.

I'm not very familiar with Blake or the DCC schools. Please enlighten me on what is happening with Blake.

When I googled, Whitman alone was further away from everything other than Walter Johnson so I didn't think it made sense for MCPS to include Whitman in the Woodward study. But Churchill ad Walter Johnson definitely should be part of any rezoning.

Not very familiar with these schools other than Churchill, Whitman and Walter Johnson being in the richest part of the county with mostly rich kids. Is WJ supposed to be the weakest of these three and Whitman kids wouldn't want to got to WJ?

I agree that they should not be protected because they are rich and if it made sense to pull their feeders to Woodward, it should be done.

This is a chance for MCPS to rezone everyone since there are 2 schools involved.

Many of our schools haven't had any remodeling and are in worse shape. PLUS, they lack the academic offerings so our kids have to go to MC, which is a huge burden on parents was there isn't transportation, or go without.

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Anonymous wrote:Option H may work and could be a strong long-term solution, but it also comes with significant uncertainties. It risks leaving an empty building behind, as we have seen elsewhere, and it would remove a neighborhood high school from the heart of Rockville. Many families are also confused by the idea that funding exists to use Wootton as a holding school, yet not to fully modernize it. That said, Option H does have real advantages and should be considered carefully as part of an honest, transparent discussion. This discussion casts families as either “stealing” Crown or acting as though they are “too good” for Crown. BOTH characterizations are harmful and untrue. What needs to stop is the name-calling and the assumption of bad motives when parents are advocating for their children. Years of fiscal and planning decisions by MCPS and the Board of Education put us in this position. Parents are trying to navigate the consequences, not undermine solutions. Assumptions and name-calling don’t move us forward.

What people are irritated about is that Wooten is not unique in needing repairs or a new school. They are not the only school who has been on the CIP, removed and is still waiting. You’re being presented the chance to get a new building but complaining about where it is located. Read the room. Be adults. No one is getting everything they want. So either you want a new building or you don’t. And if you choose no, understand that no one wants to hear ya’ll complaining about how unsafe Wooten is.

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Either take Option H or just stop complaining. If MCPS abandons Option H, the rest of us do not want to hear you whine about how old and moldy your damn school is. Your kids will be in the moldy school because you chose not to let them mix with black and hispanic people, but instead of saying that you make it about distance and all that crap.

It doesn’t really matter whether you want to hear or not. They deserve safe learning environment and they can’t be treated differently than other schools. Don’t keep the narrative that the only way Wootton can have a safe learning enrichment is to give up on their school. This is not fair.

DP. Great. Now apply that same principle to each MCPS-served community. And make sure it covers academic opportunity and all the rest for any individual student, as well. Solve for y.

It's not that moving Wootton to a new facility and incorporating the nearby communities should be the only option. That option should be explored, adjusted and evaluated with the entirety of the system in mind, though, even as MCPS should be considering ways to ensure the overall plan for the more impacted individual neighborhoods/families result in broadly equitable provision of educational services.

They put out option H and Wootton communities have clearly rejected the option. So that’s it for exploration as it makes no sense to go against the whole community. Don’t threaten Wootton families that they’ll stuck old moldy building without renovation forever because they didn’t accept option H. This kind of bullying needs to stop.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm in the 20878 area and the amount of people posting on nextdoor about save Wootton, you would think the sky is falling.

The Moderately Moco guy is also there trying to push out option H. I guess he lives in that area.

No one gives a damn about Dufief.

And today's post showed a picture with a room full of Asians and whites at Wootton's townhall. You know who is against option H.

One woman said it right - to quote her: "We know what this is truly about. If you do not want your kids to mingle with the "lower class" residents of upper Montgomery County just say so. If it is that bad. There are many private schools in your area or even better homeschooling. Just saying.."

What a bunch of noisemakers - first they want a new building and sign a petition and then when MCPS addresses it they start another petition.

I was there in person and didn’t hear any racist comment like this. The discussion was focused on Wootton renovation. It’s far too easy for someone with a conflict of interest or a personal grudge to fabricate a racist remark and make Wootton look bad.”

What lower class upper Mo Co residents? the ones that bought $1 million houses in Criwn? There wre no comments like that, that person was lying. Also how’s Crown upper MoCo?

There are a lot of Asian haters

True, but I'm an Asian parent in another cluster, and IMO, Wootton at Crown makes perfect sense given the financial constraints and declining enrollment.

You think it makes perfect sense because you aren’t being harmed by it. You said yourself that you are in a different cluster.

I stated I was Asian because dcum likes to dump on Asians, and not all Asians are created equal.

Yes, it's easier to accept when you're not "harmed" by it, and it's harder to accept when you are emotional about it.

Logically, Wootton at Crown makes the most sense.

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Anonymous wrote:Option H may work and could be a strong long-term solution, but it also comes with significant uncertainties. It risks leaving an empty building behind, as we have seen elsewhere, and it would remove a neighborhood high school from the heart of Rockville. Many families are also confused by the idea that funding exists to use Wootton as a holding school, yet not to fully modernize it. That said, Option H does have real advantages and should be considered carefully as part of an honest, transparent discussion. This discussion casts families as either “stealing” Crown or acting as though they are “too good” for Crown. BOTH characterizations are harmful and untrue. What needs to stop is the name-calling and the assumption of bad motives when parents are advocating for their children. Years of fiscal and planning decisions by MCPS and the Board of Education put us in this position. Parents are trying to navigate the consequences, not undermine solutions. Assumptions and name-calling don’t move us forward.

What people are irritated about is that Wooten is not unique in needing repairs or a new school. They are not the only school who has been on the CIP, removed and is still waiting. You’re being presented the chance to get a new building but complaining about where it is located. Read the room. Be adults. No one is getting everything they want. So either you want a new building or you don’t. And if you choose no, understand that no one wants to hear ya’ll complaining about how unsafe Wooten is.

+ 1 million

Either take Option H or just stop complaining. If MCPS abandons Option H, the rest of us do not want to hear you whine about how old and moldy your damn school is. Your kids will be in the moldy school because you chose not to let them mix with black and hispanic people, but instead of saying that you make it about distance and all that crap.

It doesn’t really matter whether you want to hear or not. They deserve safe learning environment and they can’t be treated differently than other schools. Don’t keep the narrative that the only way Wootton can have a safe learning enrichment is to give up on their school. This is not fair.

DP. Great. Now apply that same principle to each MCPS-served community. And make sure it covers academic opportunity and all the rest for any individual student, as well. Solve for y.

It's not that moving Wootton to a new facility and incorporating the nearby communities should be the only option. That option should be explored, adjusted and evaluated with the entirety of the system in mind, though, even as MCPS should be considering ways to ensure the overall plan for the more impacted individual neighborhoods/families result in broadly equitable provision of educational services.

They put out option H and Wootton communities have clearly rejected the option. So that’s it for exploration as it makes no sense to go against the whole community. Don’t threaten Wootton families that they’ll stuck old moldy building without renovation forever because they didn’t accept option H. This kind of bullying needs to stop.

Have the Wootton faculty and staff clearly rejected the option? I doubt it.

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Anonymous wrote:Option H may work and could be a strong long-term solution, but it also comes with significant uncertainties. It risks leaving an empty building behind, as we have seen elsewhere, and it would remove a neighborhood high school from the heart of Rockville. Many families are also confused by the idea that funding exists to use Wootton as a holding school, yet not to fully modernize it. That said, Option H does have real advantages and should be considered carefully as part of an honest, transparent discussion. This discussion casts families as either “stealing” Crown or acting as though they are “too good” for Crown. BOTH characterizations are harmful and untrue. What needs to stop is the name-calling and the assumption of bad motives when parents are advocating for their children. Years of fiscal and planning decisions by MCPS and the Board of Education put us in this position. Parents are trying to navigate the consequences, not undermine solutions. Assumptions and name-calling don’t move us forward.

What people are irritated about is that Wooten is not unique in needing repairs or a new school. They are not the only school who has been on the CIP, removed and is still waiting. You’re being presented the chance to get a new building but complaining about where it is located. Read the room. Be adults. No one is getting everything they want. So either you want a new building or you don’t. And if you choose no, understand that no one wants to hear ya’ll complaining about how unsafe Wooten is.

+ 1 million

Either take Option H or just stop complaining. If MCPS abandons Option H, the rest of us do not want to hear you whine about how old and moldy your damn school is. Your kids will be in the moldy school because you chose not to let them mix with black and hispanic people, but instead of saying that you make it about distance and all that crap.

There is nothing wrong with advocating for a school to be fixed. And parents shouldn’t be “punished” for doing so. I think a lot of us went to high schools that were in pretty terrible shape. The only difference is now there is internet and camera phones where these things didn’t exist when I was in high school-so making horrible conditions known is much much easier. Do I think there would have been such strong advocacy if this was going to be the known outcome? I’m going to say no. Changing the entire dynamic of a school because you want it fixed is not fair.

The rest of us are not saying your first ask was unreasonable. We are saying you got a solution from MCPS, but you did not like it and pushed back against MCPS again, so don't whine if MCPS listens to you again and stops Option H. You were given a chance that you did not take, again, when you were only 3rd in line for renovations. Honestly, MCPS was being generous towards Wootton by proposing Option H. There are many times MCPS sucks but not this time.

And about the dynamic, are you so afraid of your kids being friends with Black and Hispanic people?

We are Asian and my kid goes to a DCC school and most of my kid's friends are Hispanic and Black (the school has 60% Hispanic population). They are all just fine.

The racism from Wootton parents is insufferable.

Yet, the only people being racist are you when you constantly bring it up when it literally wasn’t even relevant to the previous comment.

Really? "Dynamic" - what dynamic??

Maybe the one where it’s in a completely different place? the one where the walkable families can no longer walk? Maybe that dynamic?

What a bunch of crock. Tell that to someone who doesn't live in 20878. I live in this area and Dufief and Travilah kids are already bussed to Wootton. No big difference if we are bussed to Crown. It's one small subset that is making this huge noise. The main dynamic here you talk about is definitely not walkability for majority of Wootton feeders.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm in the 20878 area and the amount of people posting on nextdoor about save Wootton, you would think the sky is falling.

The Moderately Moco guy is also there trying to push out option H. I guess he lives in that area.

No one gives a damn about Dufief.

And today's post showed a picture with a room full of Asians and whites at Wootton's townhall. You know who is against option H.

One woman said it right - to quote her: "We know what this is truly about. If you do not want your kids to mingle with the "lower class" residents of upper Montgomery County just say so. If it is that bad. There are many private schools in your area or even better homeschooling. Just saying.."

What a bunch of noisemakers - first they want a new building and sign a petition and then when MCPS addresses it they start another petition.

I was there in person and didn’t hear any racist comment like this. The discussion was focused on Wootton renovation. It’s far too easy for someone with a conflict of interest or a personal grudge to fabricate a racist remark and make Wootton look bad.”

What lower class upper Mo Co residents? the ones that bought $1 million houses in Criwn? There wre no comments like that, that person was lying. Also how’s Crown upper MoCo?

There are a lot of Asian haters

True, but I'm an Asian parent in another cluster, and IMO, Wootton at Crown makes perfect sense given the financial constraints and declining enrollment.

You think it makes perfect sense because you aren’t being harmed by it. You said yourself that you are in a different cluster.

I stated I was Asian because dcum likes to dump on Asians, and not all Asians are created equal.

Yes, it's easier to accept when you're not "harmed" by it, and it's harder to accept when you are emotional about it.

Logically, Wootton at Crown makes the most sense.

If you don’t live in Wootton district and don’t understand how Wootton community feels, then it doesn’t matter what makes sense to you.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm in the 20878 area and the amount of people posting on nextdoor about save Wootton, you would think the sky is falling.

The Moderately Moco guy is also there trying to push out option H. I guess he lives in that area.

No one gives a damn about Dufief.

And today's post showed a picture with a room full of Asians and whites at Wootton's townhall. You know who is against option H.

One woman said it right - to quote her: "We know what this is truly about. If you do not want your kids to mingle with the "lower class" residents of upper Montgomery County just say so. If it is that bad. There are many private schools in your area or even better homeschooling. Just saying.."

What a bunch of noisemakers - first they want a new building and sign a petition and then when MCPS addresses it they start another petition.

I was there in person and didn’t hear any racist comment like this. The discussion was focused on Wootton renovation. It’s far too easy for someone with a conflict of interest or a personal grudge to fabricate a racist remark and make Wootton look bad.”

What lower class upper Mo Co residents? the ones that bought $1 million houses in Criwn? There wre no comments like that, that person was lying. Also how’s Crown upper MoCo?

There are a lot of Asian haters

True, but I'm an Asian parent in another cluster, and IMO, Wootton at Crown makes perfect sense given the financial constraints and declining enrollment.

You think it makes perfect sense because you aren’t being harmed by it. You said yourself that you are in a different cluster.

I stated I was Asian because dcum likes to dump on Asians, and not all Asians are created equal.

Yes, it's easier to accept when you're not "harmed" by it, and it's harder to accept when you are emotional about it.

Logically, Wootton at Crown makes the most sense.

If you don’t live in Wootton district and don’t understand how Wootton community feels, then it doesn’t matter what makes sense to you.

I don't need to live in the Wootton cluster to know what makes logical sense.

Declining enrollment, huge budget shortfall, brand new HS, and you think it makes logical financial sense to fix up Wootton? That's an emotional decision, not a logical one.

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Anonymous wrote:Option H may work and could be a strong long-term solution, but it also comes with significant uncertainties. It risks leaving an empty building behind, as we have seen elsewhere, and it would remove a neighborhood high school from the heart of Rockville. Many families are also confused by the idea that funding exists to use Wootton as a holding school, yet not to fully modernize it. That said, Option H does have real advantages and should be considered carefully as part of an honest, transparent discussion. This discussion casts families as either “stealing” Crown or acting as though they are “too good” for Crown. BOTH characterizations are harmful and untrue. What needs to stop is the name-calling and the assumption of bad motives when parents are advocating for their children. Years of fiscal and planning decisions by MCPS and the Board of Education put us in this position. Parents are trying to navigate the consequences, not undermine solutions. Assumptions and name-calling don’t move us forward.

What people are irritated about is that Wooten is not unique in needing repairs or a new school. They are not the only school who has been on the CIP, removed and is still waiting. You’re being presented the chance to get a new building but complaining about where it is located. Read the room. Be adults. No one is getting everything they want. So either you want a new building or you don’t. And if you choose no, understand that no one wants to hear ya’ll complaining about how unsafe Wooten is.

+ 1 million

Either take Option H or just stop complaining. If MCPS abandons Option H, the rest of us do not want to hear you whine about how old and moldy your damn school is. Your kids will be in the moldy school because you chose not to let them mix with black and hispanic people, but instead of saying that you make it about distance and all that crap.

There is nothing wrong with advocating for a school to be fixed. And parents shouldn’t be “punished” for doing so. I think a lot of us went to high schools that were in pretty terrible shape. The only difference is now there is internet and camera phones where these things didn’t exist when I was in high school-so making horrible conditions known is much much easier. Do I think there would have been such strong advocacy if this was going to be the known outcome? I’m going to say no. Changing the entire dynamic of a school because you want it fixed is not fair.

The rest of us are not saying your first ask was unreasonable. We are saying you got a solution from MCPS, but you did not like it and pushed back against MCPS again, so don't whine if MCPS listens to you again and stops Option H. You were given a chance that you did not take, again, when you were only 3rd in line for renovations. Honestly, MCPS was being generous towards Wootton by proposing Option H. There are many times MCPS sucks but not this time.

And about the dynamic, are you so afraid of your kids being friends with Black and Hispanic people?

We are Asian and my kid goes to a DCC school and most of my kid's friends are Hispanic and Black (the school has 60% Hispanic population). They are all just fine.

The racism from Wootton parents is insufferable.

Yet, the only people being racist are you when you constantly bring it up when it literally wasn’t even relevant to the previous comment.

Really? "Dynamic" - what dynamic??

Maybe the one where it’s in a completely different place? the one where the walkable families can no longer walk? Maybe that dynamic?

But there are plenty of Wootton families that will now be able to walk if they are moved to Crown. We live literally across the street from Crown and my kid takes a bus to Wootton everyday. It just shifts who can walk and who takes a bus, it doesn't eliminate all walkers.

You know your particular area should have never been zoned for Wootton in the first place-so absolutely makes sense for you to go to Crown. And you should fight to go! And those of us walkable to Wootton should get to keep our school.

Yeah it’s kinda ridiculous that Rio people are fighting against whole Wootton to move to crown.

We are not. It's only a small subset that are talking about walkability. The main thing is not walkability. It's just an excuse because you don't want to say we don't want the low SES kids mingling with ours

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There's large-scale renovation, which costs hundreds of millions of dollars, and will not happen if Option H is rejected.

But is there lesser-scale maintenance, mold mitigation, etc. that is feasible logistically and financially if H is rejected?

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Anonymous wrote:I'm in the 20878 area and the amount of people posting on nextdoor about save Wootton, you would think the sky is falling.

The Moderately Moco guy is also there trying to push out option H. I guess he lives in that area.

No one gives a damn about Dufief.

And today's post showed a picture with a room full of Asians and whites at Wootton's townhall. You know who is against option H.

One woman said it right - to quote her: "We know what this is truly about. If you do not want your kids to mingle with the "lower class" residents of upper Montgomery County just say so. If it is that bad. There are many private schools in your area or even better homeschooling. Just saying.."

What a bunch of noisemakers - first they want a new building and sign a petition and then when MCPS addresses it they start another petition.

I was there in person and didn’t hear any racist comment like this. The discussion was focused on Wootton renovation. It’s far too easy for someone with a conflict of interest or a personal grudge to fabricate a racist remark and make Wootton look bad.”

What lower class upper Mo Co residents? the ones that bought $1 million houses in Criwn? There wre no comments like that, that person was lying. Also how’s Crown upper MoCo?

There are a lot of Asian haters

True, but I'm an Asian parent in another cluster, and IMO, Wootton at Crown makes perfect sense given the financial constraints and declining enrollment.

You think it makes perfect sense because you aren’t being harmed by it. You said yourself that you are in a different cluster.

I stated I was Asian because dcum likes to dump on Asians, and not all Asians are created equal.

Yes, it's easier to accept when you're not "harmed" by it, and it's harder to accept when you are emotional about it.

Logically, Wootton at Crown makes the most sense.

If you don’t live in Wootton district and don’t understand how Wootton community feels, then it doesn’t matter what makes sense to you.

I don't need to live in the Wootton cluster to know what makes logical sense.

Declining enrollment, huge budget shortfall, brand new HS, and you think it makes logical financial sense to fix up Wootton? That's an emotional decision, not a logical one.

That’s because you’re viewing this through a narrow lens, missing the real challenges of losing a community center to the local residents. It’s not just about MCPS as relocating or closing Wootton would cause major economic disruption for Rockville city too. It’s not that simple.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm in the 20878 area and the amount of people posting on nextdoor about save Wootton, you would think the sky is falling.

The Moderately Moco guy is also there trying to push out option H. I guess he lives in that area.

No one gives a damn about Dufief.

And today's post showed a picture with a room full of Asians and whites at Wootton's townhall. You know who is against option H.

One woman said it right - to quote her: "We know what this is truly about. If you do not want your kids to mingle with the "lower class" residents of upper Montgomery County just say so. If it is that bad. There are many private schools in your area or even better homeschooling. Just saying.."

What a bunch of noisemakers - first they want a new building and sign a petition and then when MCPS addresses it they start another petition.

MCPS isn't in the community center business; their function is education. And if the number of young people is declining, there's no need to build a new school. Plus Rockville will still have 2 high schools.


I was there in person and didn’t hear any racist comment like this. The discussion was focused on Wootton renovation. It’s far too easy for someone with a conflict of interest or a personal grudge to fabricate a racist remark and make Wootton look bad.”

What lower class upper Mo Co residents? the ones that bought $1 million houses in Criwn? There wre no comments like that, that person was lying. Also how’s Crown upper MoCo?

There are a lot of Asian haters

True, but I'm an Asian parent in another cluster, and IMO, Wootton at Crown makes perfect sense given the financial constraints and declining enrollment.

You think it makes perfect sense because you aren’t being harmed by it. You said yourself that you are in a different cluster.

I stated I was Asian because dcum likes to dump on Asians, and not all Asians are created equal.

Yes, it's easier to accept when you're not "harmed" by it, and it's harder to accept when you are emotional about it.

Logically, Wootton at Crown makes the most sense.

If you don’t live in Wootton district and don’t understand how Wootton community feels, then it doesn’t matter what makes sense to you.

I don't need to live in the Wootton cluster to know what makes logical sense.

Declining enrollment, huge budget shortfall, brand new HS, and you think it makes logical financial sense to fix up Wootton? That's an emotional decision, not a logical one.

That’s because you’re viewing this through a narrow lens, missing the real challenges of losing a community center to the local residents. It’s not just about MCPS as relocating or closing Wootton would cause major economic disruption for Rockville city too. It’s not that simple.

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Anonymous wrote:Churchill is 7 miles from Crown, it’s not in the vicinity.
Whitman, Walter Johnson, Wootton, Woodward, BCC, Richard Montgomery are all much closer to Churchill than Crown.

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Anonymous wrote:To your question option H gives them a chance so they should be making their voices heard. Options A-D are worse for Dufief.

Options E-G also keep Dufief with Wootton. IMO G is a non starter but I’m 100% on board with E and F right now. H won’t happen and A-D split the cluster.

And that is how it should be - MCPS splitting up clusters to fill Crown. You cannot have all black and Hispanic population alone go to Crown. It needs to be diverse. Every highschool cluster in Crown's vicinity should be broken up

What makes Wootton and Churchill so special? Don't answer that.

Okay I will rephrase that - What makes Wootton so special?

I checked google maps and Wootton is 3.8 miles from Crown and 3.4 miles from Churchill. 0.4 miles is Negligible. Wootton is also the closest to Crown.

Crown:
Wootton - 3.8 miles
Gaithersburg HS - 4.5 miles
QO - 4.4 miles

These three schools should be the ones filling up Crown. Wootton is not that special. Churchill is overcrowded and MCPS cannot send kids from Wootton to Churchill when they can easily send them to Crown which was built to address overcrowding. MCPS is 100% right with offering modified Option H to Wootton to kill 2 birds with one stone - the safety issues due to mold at Wootton as well as over crowding in Gaithersburg and QO.

Wootton parents put up a stink only because they don't want to mix with brown and hispanic and low ses.

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Coming to Woodward:
Walter Johnson - 1.6 miles
Churchill - 3.2 miles
Wheaton - 3.9 miles
Richard Montgomery - 4.0 miles
Rockville High school - 4.2 miles
Kennedy 5.6 miles

Obviously the rezoning here should happen between Walter Johnson, Churchill, Wheaton, Richard Montgomery and maybe Rockville
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Churchill:
Woodward - 3.2 miles
Walter Johnson - 3.3 miles
*Wootton - 3.4 miles
Richard Montgomery - 3.8 miles

Among these only Wootton is close to Crown, so Wootton cannot be part of the Woodward study and belongs in the Crown study and the other three should be part of Woodward study.

I'm not familiar with the Woodward study but I hope this is what MCPS is doing.

The fact that they set things up so that they have no options for moving neighborhoods between Churchill and Whitman is all anyone needs to know to see that their scoping of the boundary studies was woefully insufficient. And have you heard about the ridiculous unaddressed overcrowding situation at Blake?

It isn't that some schools belong in one study or another more, it's that all schools should have been involved in a single study from the beginning. Elementaries too, as they are setting themselves up for more failure by first constraining the secondary boundaries to inefficient fixed elementary boundaries (or limiting split articulations, there) and then coming back in a year to do elementary boundaries that will be artificially constrained by the then-fixed but inefficient (due to the prior elementary constraint) secondary boundaries they will have chosen.

The system needs to be doing this overall adjustment about once a decade. That would tend to have more incremental effect. It's been far, far too long, and the large disruptions seen for some communities in the current effort are a result.

I'm not very familiar with Blake or the DCC schools. Please enlighten me on what is happening with Blake.

When I googled, Whitman alone was further away from everything other than Walter Johnson so I didn't think it made sense for MCPS to include Whitman in the Woodward study. But Churchill ad Walter Johnson definitely should be part of any rezoning.

Not very familiar with these schools other than Churchill, Whitman and Walter Johnson being in the richest part of the county with mostly rich kids. Is WJ supposed to be the weakest of these three and Whitman kids wouldn't want to got to WJ?

I agree that they should not be protected because they are rich and if it made sense to pull their feeders to Woodward, it should be done.

This is a chance for MCPS to rezone everyone since there are 2 schools involved.

Blake, currently overcrowded, is the only school projected to be overcrowded by any significant amount (Rockville is the other, but much less so), not being addressed via either boundary study, and there are planners who expect it to get worse.

Whitman being a 5 minute farther drive from one of the new/expanded facilities than another school is a relatively minor consideration when considered in light of the overall need for the system to provide equitable service, including adequate facilities. If, by changing its service area (say, a couple of neighborhoods currently served by adjacent high schools), MCPS opens up better options for those schools and the ones beyond, such changes should be in the mix of those considered.

By limiting the study areas, not only is Blake (and Rockville) overcrowding left to remain despite the projected adequate capacity of the overall system, but more holistic options, like moving a bit of Churchill to Whitman (or even the other way, though more disruptive) with cascading effect to relieve other schools has been left off of the table.