Son was called a monkey by a Hispanic child

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:“Monkey” is a one of the most common (racist) terms used in Hispanic countries to describe a person of African descent.

Do you just make things up? It’s not true.

The worst ugly slurs dripping in hate came from the United States. Yelling monkey is used by Latin Americans to call other Latin Americans at soccer games. The worst are the White European fans calling players ethnic slurs even when they’re on their team.

Dark skinned Latin American soccer players. Since you know about the incidents in Russia, Serbia, Spain and Italy, among others, then you know it's used as a racial slur interntionally.

You forgot the worst offenders France and England.

Yes it’s an ugly slur, these fans in the audience know they are using racist slurs. That includes Latin Americans which is really crazy because every country in South America has Europeans, Blacks and Indigenous citizens. Their skin colors are from very light to very dark. Why call each other monkeys?

It’s not used by all “Hispanic countries”

Colorism and racism!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I’m not sure how to say this in an inoffensive way but I’ll try . . .

It could very well be a cultural thing without any ill intent. Latinos simply do not have the same, shall we say, sensitivities when it comes to these kinds of things. They will refer to others in Spanish by references to race, weight, and other physical attributes and mean nothing of it. If your eyes are even slightly slanted, for example, your nickname will often be “Chino.” I could go on.

All I’m saying is that you really shouldn’t place much stock in what a 9 or 10 year old Salvadoran kid might say. It’s just a different way of thinking than native born Americans are accustomed to.

I appreciate this context. I didn’t know this.

This, plus in spanish is sometimes can mean basically "silly billy"

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m not sure how to say this in an inoffensive way but I’ll try . . .

It could very well be a cultural thing without any ill intent. Latinos simply do not have the same, shall we say, sensitivities when it comes to these kinds of things. They will refer to others in Spanish by references to race, weight, and other physical attributes and mean nothing of it. If your eyes are even slightly slanted, for example, your nickname will often be “Chino.” I could go on.

All I’m saying is that you really shouldn’t place much stock in what a 9 or 10 year old Salvadoran kid might say. It’s just a different way of thinking than native born Americans are accustomed to.

I appreciate this context. I didn’t know this.

This, plus in spanish is sometimes can mean basically "silly billy"

Sorry, to say more: it could very well not be this. But it does in some places in some contexts.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m not sure how to say this in an inoffensive way but I’ll try . . .

It could very well be a cultural thing without any ill intent. Latinos simply do not have the same, shall we say, sensitivities when it comes to these kinds of things. They will refer to others in Spanish by references to race, weight, and other physical attributes and mean nothing of it. If your eyes are even slightly slanted, for example, your nickname will often be “Chino.” I could go on.

All I’m saying is that you really shouldn’t place much stock in what a 9 or 10 year old Salvadoran kid might say. It’s just a different way of thinking than native born Americans are accustomed to.

I appreciate this context. I didn’t know this.

This, plus in spanish is sometimes can mean basically "silly billy"

This is the same thing as all of you saying your kids monkey when they are being silly (which is fantasy for the sake of argument--you all are not calling your kids monkeys).

Yeah that is not what happened to OPs son.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m not sure how to say this in an inoffensive way but I’ll try . . .

It could very well be a cultural thing without any ill intent. Latinos simply do not have the same, shall we say, sensitivities when it comes to these kinds of things. They will refer to others in Spanish by references to race, weight, and other physical attributes and mean nothing of it. If your eyes are even slightly slanted, for example, your nickname will often be “Chino.” I could go on.

All I’m saying is that you really shouldn’t place much stock in what a 9 or 10 year old Salvadoran kid might say. It’s just a different way of thinking than native born Americans are accustomed to.

I appreciate this context. I didn’t know this.

This, plus in spanish is sometimes can mean basically "silly billy"

This is the same thing as all of you saying your kids monkey when they are being silly (which is fantasy for the sake of argument--you all are not calling your kids monkeys).

Yeah that is not what happened to OPs son.

r

We don’t have context. Maybe the kid was clowning around at the time.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Op here - I’m just collecting advice - this all came up because I was listening to
npr in the background and they were covering the Kansas young republicans and they mentioned that one person referred to black people as monkeys. My son goes “‘ mom xyz called me a monkey”. I said “ really? What do you do?” He goes “ nothing. I just ignored him”

Here’s a blog post that I just dug up that touches on this issue and that you might find helpful. Be warned in advance that the author (who is African American) makes reference to the “n” word in it.

https://www.oneikathetraveller.com/when-he-called-me-negrita.html

Read the article..."monkey" does not fall into this category. In any event, if the U.S. is becoming a latin American country, I want out. I am (a black person) obviously am not seen as worthy in this cuture.

A little dramatic don’t you think? We’re talking about a nine year old.

White people have racism, Black people have racism, Latinos have racism, Asians are racist. The White racism has been the worst because they were here first and some of them want to keep power and now Trump is very open about it.

Racism is more open in other countries and many bring it here. It’s not the viscous kind like the KKK or the Deep South in the 50s. It’s more like Asians don’t want their kids to be friends with non-Asians. Latinos have beefs with other Latinos from neighboring countries. Black women with a White parent used to complain that they weren’t accepted in certain Black communities.

Some Latinos don’t think the Black community is not doing enough about ICE abuse. They are deporting while some of these immigrants are waiting for a court date or something simple as an expired document.

It doesn’t serve any purpose to claim one is worse than the other. This name calling is in all elementary and middle schools. Parents need to go a better job in taking preventative measures instead of waiting for it to happen.

-we black people didn't tell advise anyone to be in a deportable status here, there is no negro community-wide conspiracy to transform people into illegal aliens (oh, and by the way, an "expired document" means you can be deported.)
-Latinos seem to be able to actively resist arrest (by federal law enforcement) and are encouraged to do so by the liberal masses, and are sympathized with when ultimately all their resisting and carrying on doesn’t work, but black people would never be able to get away with this--we would get shot while resisting and scolded by the public for not respecting law enforcement. So no, we can't help you "resist" (and who said we wanted to anyway?)
-why is "not helping" against ICE seen as racism? That doesn't make sense. Follow immigration law and all will be well. Yes, we African Americans do not have an immigrant background, we have never been immigrants, and their may be some resentment of that, that all of this ICE stuff is not impacting us at all.

"all of this ICE stuff is not impacting us at all" say that to the Black Chicagoans who had their doors busted down and children ziptied naked just because they had Latino neighbors. Don't think that the white supremacists are coming just for us, we're stronger together.

Signed,
A Latino who also wants to see African Americans not get shot by law enforcement.

P.S. Just because the law says that someone can be chained up and sent back to where they came, doesn't mean it’s moral. See: the Fugitive Slave Act.

wth? Equating chattel slavery to illegal immigration has to be the gnarliest lapse of logic I’ve ever seen on dcum

If you can't see the moral parallels and a broader point about the difference between what is legal and what is moral, then maybe you're the one with a gnarly lapse of logic.

Wanting to live in the U.S. is not a moral right. Yes African American live here freely, we've never had to worry about immigration, and I really think that offends some people who think their people have every right to this country as we do. You don't, and just really really wanting to be here doesn’t make the case.

You need to stop with the “we”. And there are well over 2 million African Americans immigrants who have come here from different African countries over the last few decades. They aren’t all documented and they are being deported.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I will say that "mono" in El Salvador is also used to refer to a mischievous kid even though the direct translation is monkey. This is specific to El Salvador as, actually, "mono" has other nickname-esque associations in other Spanish speaking countries (e.g., cute in Spain). So there is *some* chance this was an honest non-racist mistake.

It also means blondie in Colombia.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Op here - I’m just collecting advice - this all came up because I was listening to
npr in the background and they were covering the Kansas young republicans and they mentioned that one person referred to black people as monkeys. My son goes “‘ mom xyz called me a monkey”. I said “ really? What do you do?” He goes “ nothing. I just ignored him”

Here’s a blog post that I just dug up that touches on this issue and that you might find helpful. Be warned in advance that the author (who is African American) makes reference to the “n” word in it.

https://www.oneikathetraveller.com/when-he-called-me-negrita.html

Read the article..."monkey" does not fall into this category. In any event, if the U.S. is becoming a latin American country, I want out. I am (a black person) obviously am not seen as worthy in this cuture.

A little dramatic don’t you think? We’re talking about a nine year old.

White people have racism, Black people have racism, Latinos have racism, Asians are racist. The White racism has been the worst because they were here first and some of them want to keep power and now Trump is very open about it.

Racism is more open in other countries and many bring it here. It’s not the viscous kind like the KKK or the Deep South in the 50s. It’s more like Asians don’t want their kids to be friends with non-Asians. Latinos have beefs with other Latinos from neighboring countries. Black women with a White parent used to complain that they weren’t accepted in certain Black communities.

Some Latinos don’t think the Black community is not doing enough about ICE abuse. They are deporting while some of these immigrants are waiting for a court date or something simple as an expired document.

It doesn’t serve any purpose to claim one is worse than the other. This name calling is in all elementary and middle schools. Parents need to go a better job in taking preventative measures instead of waiting for it to happen.

-we black people didn't tell advise anyone to be in a deportable status here, there is no negro community-wide conspiracy to transform people into illegal aliens (oh, and by the way, an "expired document" means you can be deported.)
-Latinos seem to be able to actively resist arrest (by federal law enforcement) and are encouraged to do so by the liberal masses, and are sympathized with when ultimately all their resisting and carrying on doesn’t work, but black people would never be able to get away with this--we would get shot while resisting and scolded by the public for not respecting law enforcement. So no, we can't help you "resist" (and who said we wanted to anyway?)
-why is "not helping" against ICE seen as racism? That doesn't make sense. Follow immigration law and all will be well. Yes, we African Americans do not have an immigrant background, we have never been immigrants, and their may be some resentment of that, that all of this ICE stuff is not impacting us at all.

"all of this ICE stuff is not impacting us at all" say that to the Black Chicagoans who had their doors busted down and children ziptied naked just because they had Latino neighbors. Don't think that the white supremacists are coming just for us, we're stronger together.

Signed,
A Latino who also wants to see African Americans not get shot by law enforcement.

P.S. Just because the law says that someone can be chained up and sent back to where they came, doesn't mean it’s moral. See: the Fugitive Slave Act.

wth? Equating chattel slavery to illegal immigration has to be the gnarliest lapse of logic I’ve ever seen on dcum

If you can't see the moral parallels and a broader point about the difference between what is legal and what is moral, then maybe you're the one with a gnarly lapse of logic.

Wanting to live in the U.S. is not a moral right. Yes African American live here freely, we've never had to worry about immigration, and I really think that offends some people who think their people have every right to this country as we do. You don't, and just really really wanting to be here doesn’t make the case.

You need to stop with the “we”. And there are well over 2 million African Americans immigrants who have come here from different African countries over the last few decades. They aren’t all documented and they are being deported.

NP

Wow, so many ignorant people posting on this thread.

The term “African American” is used for descendants of Africans enslaved in the U.S., not immigrants from Africa.

Also, if someone is deported they are not “American!” 🤦‍♀️

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m not sure how to say this in an inoffensive way but I’ll try . . .

It could very well be a cultural thing without any ill intent. Latinos simply do not have the same, shall we say, sensitivities when it comes to these kinds of things. They will refer to others in Spanish by references to race, weight, and other physical attributes and mean nothing of it. If your eyes are even slightly slanted, for example, your nickname will often be “Chino.” I could go on.

All I’m saying is that you really shouldn’t place much stock in what a 9 or 10 year old Salvadoran kid might say. It’s just a different way of thinking than native born Americans are accustomed to.

I appreciate this context. I didn’t know this.

This, plus in spanish is sometimes can mean basically "silly billy"

This is the same thing as all of you saying your kids monkey when they are being silly (which is fantasy for the sake of argument--you all are not calling your kids monkeys).

Yeah that is not what happened to OPs son.

r

We don’t have context. Maybe the kid was clowning around at the time.

It is never ok to call a black person a monkey.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I will say that "mono" in El Salvador is also used to refer to a mischievous kid even though the direct translation is monkey. This is specific to El Salvador as, actually, "mono" has other nickname-esque associations in other Spanish speaking countries (e.g., cute in Spain). So there is *some* chance this was an honest non-racist mistake.

It also means blondie in Colombia.

It is never ok to call a black person a monkey.

[Anonymous]

Yes, it is never ever ever ok to call a black person a monkey. Ever.

BUT human beings are not born with the innate knowledge that you don’t call a black person a monkey. It’s something we have to be taught. And while it’s entirely reasonable to expect that every adult in this country should have learned this long ago—and it can be a given that when said by an adult it’s racist and intentionally offensive—the same cannot be said when it comes to kids.

OP has given zero real context on how this happened. All we know is that her kid was prompted to mention that it happened when he heard overheard it on NPR when they reporting on the Young Republicans. We don’t know if the boys were playing or fighting at the time. We don’t know how well they know each other. We don’t know if the boy knew he shouldn’t say it. We don’t even know if OP’s son even knew it was a racist term before hearing it on NPR.

She’s never come back to clarify of this.

Context matters. Even in this instance.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I will say that "mono" in El Salvador is also used to refer to a mischievous kid even though the direct translation is monkey. This is specific to El Salvador as, actually, "mono" has other nickname-esque associations in other Spanish speaking countries (e.g., cute in Spain). So there is *some* chance this was an honest non-racist mistake.

It also means blondie in Colombia.

It is never ok to call a black person a monkey.

Where did I say that? Calm down Jennifer.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Yes, it is never ever ever ok to call a black person a monkey. Ever.

BUT human beings are not born with the innate knowledge that you don’t call a black person a monkey. It’s something we have to be taught. And while it’s entirely reasonable to expect that every adult in this country should have learned this long ago—and it can be a given that when said by an adult it’s racist and intentionally offensive—the same cannot be said when it comes to kids.

OP has given zero real context on how this happened. All we know is that her kid was prompted to mention that it happened when he heard overheard it on NPR when they reporting on the Young Republicans. We don’t know if the boys were playing or fighting at the time. We don’t know how well they know each other. We don’t know if the boy knew he shouldn’t say it. We don’t even know if OP’s son even knew it was a racist term before hearing it on NPR.

She’s never come back to clarify of this.

Context matters. Even in this instance.

Well the kid can ponder "context" in his own mind when he is eventually told not to call black people monkeys, after his mom reports the incident. Context is not OPs or the victim kid's concern.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I will say that "mono" in El Salvador is also used to refer to a mischievous kid even though the direct translation is monkey. This is specific to El Salvador as, actually, "mono" has other nickname-esque associations in other Spanish speaking countries (e.g., cute in Spain). So there is *some* chance this was an honest non-racist mistake.

It also means blondie in Colombia.

It is never ok to call a black person a monkey.

Where did I say that? Calm down Jennifer.

Ha ha ha! What a microaggresion, so timely.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yes, it is never ever ever ok to call a black person a monkey. Ever.

BUT human beings are not born with the innate knowledge that you don’t call a black person a monkey. It’s something we have to be taught. And while it’s entirely reasonable to expect that every adult in this country should have learned this long ago—and it can be a given that when said by an adult it’s racist and intentionally offensive—the same cannot be said when it comes to kids.

OP has given zero real context on how this happened. All we know is that her kid was prompted to mention that it happened when he heard overheard it on NPR when they reporting on the Young Republicans. We don’t know if the boys were playing or fighting at the time. We don’t know how well they know each other. We don’t know if the boy knew he shouldn’t say it. We don’t even know if OP’s son even knew it was a racist term before hearing it on NPR.

She’s never come back to clarify of this.

Context matters. Even in this instance.

Well the kid can ponder "context" in his own mind when he is eventually told not to call black people monkeys, after his mom reports the incident. Context is not OPs or the victim kid's concern.

You have 100 percent missed my point. But it’s simply too exhausting to continue to attempt to engage with someone who is so damned rigid.