Holton parents - you have got to help your girls out with these skirts.

[Anonymous]

DD goes to Holton. I know the girls. Yes they are US. And they do tend to show certain girls for pix. Not a huge fan of that but whatever. My DD wears her skirt without rolling but there are very few who do this. Apparently rolled skirts are a requirement for popularity. Like no student council if your skirt is long. Agree it is ridiculous. But there are a handful that don’t care, at least.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:They're spankies, like cheerleading shorts, not undies. Stop looking at kids, you perv.

Everyone is looking. Hard not to when it's put on display. If the rear end wasn't hanging out they would not be drawing attention.

[Anonymous]

Those sweatpants under those stupid short skirts are incredible.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:DD goes to Holton. I know the girls. Yes they are US. And they do tend to show certain girls for pix. Not a huge fan of that but whatever. My DD wears her skirt without rolling but there are very few who do this. Apparently rolled skirts are a requirement for popularity. Like no student council if your skirt is long. Agree it is ridiculous. But there are a handful that don’t care, at least.

Toxic. So glad we decided against HA.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wearing their skirts this short is not about body confidence.

They do it because everyone else does it. It's the opposite of confidence. A truly body confident girl would wear her skirt in a way that her bare butt isn't coming into contact with everything she sits on, because a true confidence means placing your own comfort and hygiene over a dumb fashion trend.

Which is precisely why the school should enforce a dress code that is more appropriate. Because endorsing the super short skirts doesn't promote body confidence, it just increases the pressure the girls already feel to wear sexy and revealing clothes the *minute* their bodies start to develop, a weird and concerning cultural pastime.

I don't have a problem with the girls dressing this way on their own time (well I don't love it and it makes me worry for them but I also recognize they have agency and it's not my job to police their clothes all the time) but I think it's really concerning when an educational institution endorses it. Why not cancel the sports programs at Holton and send these girls to cotillion instead? Or maybe just keep the sports with sexy uniforms? Is this the brand Holton really wants to be projecting.

+1

I think the norm of wearing a mini-skirt to school (or apple picking, apparently, per PP above) is promoting the idea of a woman as a pretty thing to be looked at, not a human that does things.

Agree. Was so happy when pantsuits became trendy and I could ditch skirt suits and panty hose without being an outlier. Mini skirts are for dating/socializing. Not for staying a comfortable temperature, sitting comfortably, actively moving. If a school bothers to have an academic uniform, it should promote focus on school matters.

From a marketing perspective, looking at the websites of a bunch of these schools, Holton's photos really stand out as seeming to advertise something different. Like looking through a bunch of these websites (Stone Ridge, NCS, Visi, Madeira plus a handful of the co-ed schools as well), Holton is the only one featuring girls in short skirts, and their website also seems to have more photos of girls just hanging out (as opposed to in a classroom or engaged in an activity). Even Madeira, which is a boarding school and really emphasizes the social connections between its students, still mostly shows the girls actually engaged in activities. Madeira doesn't have a uniform either, and there's a broad range of outfits on the kids including some that are more and less covered up, but you don't get the sense looking at the photos that there is a cultural preference for super short skirts or more alluring clothes.

It also seems notable to me that the girls on other websites look younger than the Holton girls. I see more braces and kind of goofy, gangly kids (which matches what HS kids actually look like IME) whereas the Holton photos seem to feature more physically mature girls. And this is on the main website which includes info about the LS and MS. The photos focus on US students who seem to be older and more mature looking. It's just weird.

Ewww. You did this?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Wearing their skirts this short is not about body confidence.

They do it because everyone else does it. It's the opposite of confidence. A truly body confident girl would wear her skirt in a way that her bare butt isn't coming into contact with everything she sits on, because a true confidence means placing your own comfort and hygiene over a dumb fashion trend.

Which is precisely why the school should enforce a dress code that is more appropriate. Because endorsing the super short skirts doesn't promote body confidence, it just increases the pressure the girls already feel to wear sexy and revealing clothes the *minute* their bodies start to develop, a weird and concerning cultural pastime.

I don't have a problem with the girls dressing this way on their own time (well I don't love it and it makes me worry for them but I also recognize they have agency and it's not my job to police their clothes all the time) but I think it's really concerning when an educational institution endorses it. Why not cancel the sports programs at Holton and send these girls to cotillion instead? Or maybe just keep the sports with sexy uniforms? Is this the brand Holton really wants to be projecting.

Cotillion?

Oh no, the cotillion moms are offended about hem length.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:DD goes to Holton. I know the girls. Yes they are US. And they do tend to show certain girls for pix. Not a huge fan of that but whatever. My DD wears her skirt without rolling but there are very few who do this. Apparently rolled skirts are a requirement for popularity. Like no student council if your skirt is long. Agree it is ridiculous. But there are a handful that don’t care, at least.

Agree. And those who wear the skirt longer are called “Amish” by the other girls. And their mothers (not kidding - heard it first-hand from other mothers).

So much for that “vibrant community that values, supports, and nurtures the myriad identities and experiences that our students bring to this campus.”

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They're spankies, like cheerleading shorts, not undies. Stop looking at kids, you perv.

Everyone is looking. Hard not to when it's put on display. If the rear end wasn't hanging out they would not be drawing attention.

HARD not to. Yuck.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DD goes to Holton. I know the girls. Yes they are US. And they do tend to show certain girls for pix. Not a huge fan of that but whatever. My DD wears her skirt without rolling but there are very few who do this. Apparently rolled skirts are a requirement for popularity. Like no student council if your skirt is long. Agree it is ridiculous. But there are a handful that don’t care, at least.

Agree. And those who wear the skirt longer are called “Amish” by the other girls. And their mothers (not kidding - heard it first-hand from other mothers).

So much for that “vibrant community that values, supports, and nurtures the myriad identities and experiences that our students bring to this campus.”

Yes, and the parents that trash the way the girls decide to dress.

[Anonymous]

What astonishing body shaming, “slut
-shaming”, sexist BS on here. As a mother of a Holton US girl, I know her to be sensible, smart, and indifferent as to the shortness of her skirt or that of her peers. How they dress is irrelevant to their learning, work and potential. Commenting on what girls wear is such an old trope aimed at diminishing what really matters.

If you’re some incell perv (or trad wife) taking the time to write on here, maybe you should get some help rather than resorting to an anonymous board to trash hard-working female students. It’s challenging enough for girls to succeed in an ever male-dominated and male-defined world without possibly coming on here to this forum of diminution.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What astonishing body shaming, “slut
-shaming”, sexist BS on here. As a mother of a Holton US girl, I know her to be sensible, smart, and indifferent as to the shortness of her skirt or that of her peers. How they dress is irrelevant to their learning, work and potential. Commenting on what girls wear is such an old trope aimed at diminishing what really matters.

If you’re some incell perv (or trad wife) taking the time to write on here, maybe you should get some help rather than resorting to an anonymous board to trash hard-working female students. It’s challenging enough for girls to succeed in an ever male-dominated and male-defined world without possibly coming on here to this forum of diminution.

Agree. Some parents need their daily fix of trashing someone, even the way teenagers dress at school. And some pervs are enjoying their time here as well.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What astonishing body shaming, “slut
-shaming”, sexist BS on here. As a mother of a Holton US girl, I know her to be sensible, smart, and indifferent as to the shortness of her skirt or that of her peers. How they dress is irrelevant to their learning, work and potential. Commenting on what girls wear is such an old trope aimed at diminishing what really matters.

If you’re some incell perv (or trad wife) taking the time to write on here, maybe you should get some help rather than resorting to an anonymous board to trash hard-working female students. It’s challenging enough for girls to succeed in an ever male-dominated and male-defined world without possibly coming on here to this forum of diminution.

Your outrage is sadly misplaced. My daughter goes to another school on here routinely trashed for reasons that are sometimes fair. It’s a choice we made. This is a choice you made and defending the weirdness of it with weird girl power rhetoric is nonsensical. Also, pick a lane. These are either the smartest most successful girls who are above this or we must fear tarnishing them and preventing their fragile wings from unfolding in this male dominated world. The truth is, these are very privileged girls of largely average intelligence like the population of all these schools based on simple statistics who will succeed because of their privilege and who have their as$es on display for some mysterious reason at school, in public and in the marketing materials for the school. They’re not special magical unicorns. Why are you justifying that? What purpose does it serve?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What astonishing body shaming, “slut
-shaming”, sexist BS on here. As a mother of a Holton US girl, I know her to be sensible, smart, and indifferent as to the shortness of her skirt or that of her peers. How they dress is irrelevant to their learning, work and potential. Commenting on what girls wear is such an old trope aimed at diminishing what really matters.

If you’re some incell perv (or trad wife) taking the time to write on here, maybe you should get some help rather than resorting to an anonymous board to trash hard-working female students. It’s challenging enough for girls to succeed in an ever male-dominated and male-defined world without possibly coming on here to this forum of diminution.

Your outrage is sadly misplaced. My daughter goes to another school on here routinely trashed for reasons that are sometimes fair. It’s a choice we made. This is a choice you made and defending the weirdness of it with weird girl power rhetoric is nonsensical. Also, pick a lane. These are either the smartest most successful girls who are above this or we must fear tarnishing them and preventing their fragile wings from unfolding in this male dominated world. The truth is, these are very privileged girls of largely average intelligence like the population of all these schools based on simple statistics who will succeed because of their privilege and who have their as$es on display for some mysterious reason at school, in public and in the marketing materials for the school. They’re not special magical unicorns. Why are you justifying that? What purpose does it serve?

Nailed it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:https://www.holton-arms.edu/about/our-mission

Gross

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What astonishing body shaming, “slut
-shaming”, sexist BS on here. As a mother of a Holton US girl, I know her to be sensible, smart, and indifferent as to the shortness of her skirt or that of her peers. How they dress is irrelevant to their learning, work and potential. Commenting on what girls wear is such an old trope aimed at diminishing what really matters.

If you’re some incell perv (or trad wife) taking the time to write on here, maybe you should get some help rather than resorting to an anonymous board to trash hard-working female students. It’s challenging enough for girls to succeed in an ever male-dominated and male-defined world without possibly coming on here to this forum of diminution.

So if she's indifferent, is her skirt long or rolled?