Proudly harboring the undocumented

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Anonymous wrote:Tax fraud? Shouldn’t he be paying taxes on income and reporting it.

How do you know he's not?

It would take a lot of undocumented immigrants to equal the amount of income tax fraud the Trumps (not just Donald) have committed over the years.

Well he’s illegal. And he’s being harbored by his employer. So he’s definitely not paying taxes.

He's not illegal. No one is illegal. And he's paying taxes, just not income taxes. As I've said before, he probably wouldn't owe a lot of income tax anyway. And he's not burdening the state in any way -- he doesn't claim or take advantage of any social programs or anything. He likely costs us less than the lazy "domestic" workers around here.

So you are paying him less than the wages for domestic workers in your area? How is that not a slavery? This person has no place to go so they are tight to the housing that you are providing without any freedom to leave, since you failed to legalize them.

You're talking nonsense. He was here before I was and isn't tied here at all. He's choosing to be here. And I'm paying him more than the average wage here, not less.

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Anonymous wrote:We have a home in a very red state, and we and the neighbors are all happily harboring an undocumented immigrant from Latin America who does tremendous yardwork for all of us. We pay very very well. And we advise on how to keep their head low and avoid ICE.


I have no qualms about this. What is going on in this country right now is morally wrong. These people work their butts off, are law abiding good people and make our country great. THEY’RE doing that. Not MAGA.

And, you are breaking the law.

The people who harbored Anne Frank also broke the law.

Exactly. Bad laws are meant to be broken.

So, you're saying the people your illegal servants are fleeing are Nazi's? Why aren't you advocating for sanctions and war?

I don't see how you can be on good terms with people in Latin America when you think their plight is the same as Nazi repression.

No the OP is down in Latin America on vacation, good times.

OP here. I'm not equating the plight of those seeking better lives for themselves generally with the plight of those fleeing the Nazis. But I'm not begrudging them either. I don't think it's morally right to penalize them just because they weren't born here. Once they're here, following the law, and want to work I will hire them. They deserve nothing less. God Bless.

If you do not feel a duty to your fellow Americans why should anybody in this country feel any duty to the common good?

You are truly a broken record.

The “common good” to mean includes hardworking non-citizens.

I’ll stop asking the question once you answer it, which you refuse to do by ignoring or evading the question.

Why should Americans feel a duty to the American common good if you don’t feel a duty to your fellow Americans?

And you guys wonder why Trump wins elections and you will be just as befuddled when Vance wins.

That one left political party in Europe is the only one that has figured it out: protect domestic working class labor markets, control immigration to an extremely manageable level and you can have all the other progressive policies your heart desires. Instead you gift wrap this massive issue up to the Republican Party.

Europe? This is the United States of America. We are a vast country . We have crumbling depopulating post-industrial cities. We need people. Tough hard-working industrious people. The only post-industrial cities near me with increasing population, enjoy that because of immigration. You have a bunch of people ready to go there. Who are they?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:We have a home in a very red state, and we and the neighbors are all happily harboring an undocumented immigrant from Latin America who does tremendous yardwork for all of us. We pay very very well. And we advise on how to keep their head low and avoid ICE.


I have no qualms about this. What is going on in this country right now is morally wrong. These people work their butts off, are law abiding good people and make our country great. THEY’RE doing that. Not MAGA.

And, you are breaking the law.

Indeed. Are you willing to go to jail for years? When ICE comes, are you going to forcibly resist them? Just because you believe something is morally wrong doesn't mean you get to break the law.

I'm not going to jail. That's ridiculous. And ICE isn't allowed on my property without a warrant, and they don't know -- and can't know -- that he comes here to work because I pay cash.

He’s Definitely not pay taxes. Are you paying them?

[Anonymous]

So OP gets to have their own private slave. That’s basically how this breaks down.

This person they’re “harboring” has no legal status, can’t go to police to report crimes, can’t go to the state to report any workplace abuses by OP, and has very limited options when it comes to housing or moving. Sounds like a situation similar to how “guest workers” are treated in places like Saudi Arabia and Dubai.


This is you, OP. A modern slave owner.

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Anonymous wrote:Tax fraud? Shouldn’t he be paying taxes on income and reporting it.

How do you know he's not?

It would take a lot of undocumented immigrants to equal the amount of income tax fraud the Trumps (not just Donald) have committed over the years.

Well he’s illegal. And he’s being harbored by his employer. So he’s definitely not paying taxes.

He's not illegal. No one is illegal. And he's paying taxes, just not income taxes. As I've said before, he probably wouldn't owe a lot of income tax anyway. And he's not burdening the state in any way -- he doesn't claim or take advantage of any social programs or anything. He likely costs us less than the lazy "domestic" workers around here.

What you are doing, hiring an undocumented immigrant, is illegal. And how do you know for which state or federal program he or his family members applied? Do you pay his health insurance? Do you pay his short term disability insurance?

You need to catch up on this thread before spewing your bullshit. He hasn't applied for any state or federal program because he has absolutely no legal documentation whatsoever. He lives completely in the shadows. He doesn't even have a driver's license. I do know from our conversations that he's not married and has no family other than an adult daughter who he's not responsible for. I don't know if she lives here or his home country. I don't even know his last name. I know he doesn't have health insurance because he was sick once and told me he didn't and that he couldn't get it. He did say, though, that someone helped him be seen by a doctor and get taken care of.
He has a community of people to turn to for sure. As far as he and I are concerned though, it's simply this: He shows up, he works, I pay him, ask him how he's doing, wish him well, and that's it.

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Anonymous wrote:Tax fraud? Shouldn’t he be paying taxes on income and reporting it.

How do you know he's not?

It would take a lot of undocumented immigrants to equal the amount of income tax fraud the Trumps (not just Donald) have committed over the years.

Well he’s illegal. And he’s being harbored by his employer. So he’s definitely not paying taxes.

He's not illegal. No one is illegal. And he's paying taxes, just not income taxes. As I've said before, he probably wouldn't owe a lot of income tax anyway. And he's not burdening the state in any way -- he doesn't claim or take advantage of any social programs or anything. He likely costs us less than the lazy "domestic" workers around here.

So you are paying him less than the wages for domestic workers in your area? How is that not a slavery? This person has no place to go so they are tight to the housing that you are providing without any freedom to leave, since you failed to legalize them.

You're talking nonsense. He was here before I was and isn't tied here at all. He's choosing to be here. And I'm paying him more than the average wage here, not less.

Correct. Your use of illegal labor may be above the average wage; however you are committing tax fraud which is defrauding the government of revenue.

You are also promoting wage suppression, unfair competition, and placing additional strain on public resources.

But it feels so good to play white savior, doesn’t it?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We have a home in a very red state, and we and the neighbors are all happily harboring an undocumented immigrant from Latin America who does tremendous yardwork for all of us. We pay very very well. And we advise on how to keep their head low and avoid ICE.


I have no qualms about this. What is going on in this country right now is morally wrong. These people work their butts off, are law abiding good people and make our country great. THEY’RE doing that. Not MAGA.

And, you are breaking the law.

Indeed. Are you willing to go to jail for years? When ICE comes, are you going to forcibly resist them? Just because you believe something is morally wrong doesn't mean you get to break the law.

I'm not going to jail. That's ridiculous. And ICE isn't allowed on my property without a warrant, and they don't know -- and can't know -- that he comes here to work because I pay cash.

He’s Definitely not pay taxes. Are you paying them?

I've said since the beginning of this thread that I assume he's not paying income taxes -- but that doesn't mean he isn't paying ANY taxes. He's paying sales taxes, etc. And, no, I'm not paying them because I have no obligation to.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So OP gets to have their own private slave. That’s basically how this breaks down.

This person they’re “harboring” has no legal status, can’t go to police to report crimes, can’t go to the state to report any workplace abuses by OP, and has very limited options when it comes to housing or moving. Sounds like a situation similar to how “guest workers” are treated in places like Saudi Arabia and Dubai.


This is you, OP. A modern slave owner.

LOL, ok. He hasn't been a crime victim that I know of, and I haven't committed any workplace "abuses" either. As for his housing, what can I say? He got here a decade or more before I did, and I guess he has no plans to move. But if he ever wanted to move, I assume he could, right? He moved here from somewhere else . . .

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Tax fraud? Shouldn’t he be paying taxes on income and reporting it.

How do you know he's not?

It would take a lot of undocumented immigrants to equal the amount of income tax fraud the Trumps (not just Donald) have committed over the years.

Well he’s illegal. And he’s being harbored by his employer. So he’s definitely not paying taxes.

He's not illegal. No one is illegal. And he's paying taxes, just not income taxes. As I've said before, he probably wouldn't owe a lot of income tax anyway. And he's not burdening the state in any way -- he doesn't claim or take advantage of any social programs or anything. He likely costs us less than the lazy "domestic" workers around here.

What you are doing, hiring an undocumented immigrant, is illegal. And how do you know for which state or federal program he or his family members applied? Do you pay his health insurance? Do you pay his short term disability insurance?

You need to catch up on this thread before spewing your bullshit. He hasn't applied for any state or federal program because he has absolutely no legal documentation whatsoever. He lives completely in the shadows. He doesn't even have a driver's license. I do know from our conversations that he's not married and has no family other than an adult daughter who he's not responsible for. I don't know if she lives here or his home country. I don't even know his last name. I know he doesn't have health insurance because he was sick once and told me he didn't and that he couldn't get it. He did say, though, that someone helped him be seen by a doctor and get taken care of.
He has a community of people to turn to for sure. As far as he and I are concerned though, it's simply this: He shows up, he works, I pay him, ask him how he's doing, wish him well, and that's it.

How do you know that you’re not harboring a serial killer? Or a former drug cartel member?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Tax fraud? Shouldn’t he be paying taxes on income and reporting it.

How do you know he's not?

It would take a lot of undocumented immigrants to equal the amount of income tax fraud the Trumps (not just Donald) have committed over the years.

Well he’s illegal. And he’s being harbored by his employer. So he’s definitely not paying taxes.

He's not illegal. No one is illegal. And he's paying taxes, just not income taxes. As I've said before, he probably wouldn't owe a lot of income tax anyway. And he's not burdening the state in any way -- he doesn't claim or take advantage of any social programs or anything. He likely costs us less than the lazy "domestic" workers around here.

So you are paying him less than the wages for domestic workers in your area? How is that not a slavery? This person has no place to go so they are tight to the housing that you are providing without any freedom to leave, since you failed to legalize them.

You're talking nonsense. He was here before I was and isn't tied here at all. He's choosing to be here. And I'm paying him more than the average wage here, not less.

Correct. Your use of illegal labor may be above the average wage; however you are committing tax fraud which is defrauding the government of revenue.

You are also promoting wage suppression, unfair competition, and placing additional strain on public resources.

But it feels so good to play white savior, doesn’t it?

I prefer "Salvador Blanco"

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So OP gets to have their own private slave. That’s basically how this breaks down.

This person they’re “harboring” has no legal status, can’t go to police to report crimes, can’t go to the state to report any workplace abuses by OP, and has very limited options when it comes to housing or moving. Sounds like a situation similar to how “guest workers” are treated in places like Saudi Arabia and Dubai.


This is you, OP. A modern slave owner.

Well, the police force is not supposed to coordinate with immigration so that crime can be controlled and that people that are concerned about interacting with immigration can still report crimes. But oh well.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Tax fraud? Shouldn’t he be paying taxes on income and reporting it.

How do you know he's not?

It would take a lot of undocumented immigrants to equal the amount of income tax fraud the Trumps (not just Donald) have committed over the years.

Well he’s illegal. And he’s being harbored by his employer. So he’s definitely not paying taxes.

He's not illegal. No one is illegal. And he's paying taxes, just not income taxes. As I've said before, he probably wouldn't owe a lot of income tax anyway. And he's not burdening the state in any way -- he doesn't claim or take advantage of any social programs or anything. He likely costs us less than the lazy "domestic" workers around here.

What you are doing, hiring an undocumented immigrant, is illegal. And how do you know for which state or federal program he or his family members applied? Do you pay his health insurance? Do you pay his short term disability insurance?

You need to catch up on this thread before spewing your bullshit. He hasn't applied for any state or federal program because he has absolutely no legal documentation whatsoever. He lives completely in the shadows. He doesn't even have a driver's license. I do know from our conversations that he's not married and has no family other than an adult daughter who he's not responsible for. I don't know if she lives here or his home country. I don't even know his last name. I know he doesn't have health insurance because he was sick once and told me he didn't and that he couldn't get it. He did say, though, that someone helped him be seen by a doctor and get taken care of.
He has a community of people to turn to for sure. As far as he and I are concerned though, it's simply this: He shows up, he works, I pay him, ask him how he's doing, wish him well, and that's it.

How do you know that you’re not harboring a serial killer? Or a former drug cartel member?

I'm a good reader of people.

[Anonymous]

And you decided to post this for bum pats?.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Tax fraud? Shouldn’t he be paying taxes on income and reporting it.

How do you know he's not?

It would take a lot of undocumented immigrants to equal the amount of income tax fraud the Trumps (not just Donald) have committed over the years.

Well he’s illegal. And he’s being harbored by his employer. So he’s definitely not paying taxes.

He's not illegal. No one is illegal. And he's paying taxes, just not income taxes. As I've said before, he probably wouldn't owe a lot of income tax anyway. And he's not burdening the state in any way -- he doesn't claim or take advantage of any social programs or anything. He likely costs us less than the lazy "domestic" workers around here.

So you are paying him less than the wages for domestic workers in your area? How is that not a slavery? This person has no place to go so they are tight to the housing that you are providing without any freedom to leave, since you failed to legalize them.

You're talking nonsense. He was here before I was and isn't tied here at all. He's choosing to be here. And I'm paying him more than the average wage here, not less.

Correct. Your use of illegal labor may be above the average wage; however you are committing tax fraud which is defrauding the government of revenue.

You are also promoting wage suppression, unfair competition, and placing additional strain on public resources.

But it feels so good to play white savior, doesn’t it?

One more thing: I'm not committing tax fraud. I have no legal obligation to pay his taxes or any taxes on anything that I pay him. He's an independent contractor.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Tax fraud? Shouldn’t he be paying taxes on income and reporting it.

How do you know he's not?

It would take a lot of undocumented immigrants to equal the amount of income tax fraud the Trumps (not just Donald) have committed over the years.

Well he’s illegal. And he’s being harbored by his employer. So he’s definitely not paying taxes.

He's not illegal. No one is illegal. And he's paying taxes, just not income taxes. As I've said before, he probably wouldn't owe a lot of income tax anyway. And he's not burdening the state in any way -- he doesn't claim or take advantage of any social programs or anything. He likely costs us less than the lazy "domestic" workers around here.

So you are paying him less than the wages for domestic workers in your area? How is that not a slavery? This person has no place to go so they are tight to the housing that you are providing without any freedom to leave, since you failed to legalize them.

You're talking nonsense. He was here before I was and isn't tied here at all. He's choosing to be here. And I'm paying him more than the average wage here, not less.

Correct. Your use of illegal labor may be above the average wage; however you are committing tax fraud which is defrauding the government of revenue.

You are also promoting wage suppression, unfair competition, and placing additional strain on public resources.

But it feels so good to play white savior, doesn’t it?

I prefer "Salvador Blanco"

More like noblesse oblige.

What would you do with your life if you didn’t have a poor brown person nearby to rescue?