Horrifying organ donation article

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Anonymous wrote:Yikes. I didn’t realize that these ghouls patrolled the hospital hallways. I’m taking off the donor designation on my license.

Pediatric hospitals too. It shouldn’t be legal, but it is. They’re harassing families and trying to not only get the families to donate, but to do so on their timeline (I recall a case of a braindead child, where the organ procurement crew told the family to wait until the patient experienced cardiac death, rather than allow the family to discontinue organ support. I can’t recall what the family chose, but remember the organ team feeling like circling vultures.)

That’s horrifying. Absolutely horrifying.

You do understand that in that circumstance there were kids at several other hospitals who were going to die without those organs, right? Do you really think it is horrifying to harvest organs from a dead body in order to save the lives of other people?

DP. There aren't enough dead people and they want to expand the definition of death.

National Geographic had a documentary how they’re going after poor people in corrupted countries like Ukraine. Sometimes the “donor” is a perfectly healthy person who dies on the cutting table.

[Anonymous]

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Here we have a rare, ethical psychiatrist with some useful observations.

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Here we have a rare, ethical psychiatrist with some useful observations.

And someone who has absolutely no clue what they're talking about per my wife who is an actual transplant surgeon and has saved countless lives.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Yikes. I didn’t realize that these ghouls patrolled the hospital hallways. I’m taking off the donor designation on my license.

Pediatric hospitals too. It shouldn’t be legal, but it is. They’re harassing families and trying to not only get the families to donate, but to do so on their timeline (I recall a case of a braindead child, where the organ procurement crew told the family to wait until the patient experienced cardiac death, rather than allow the family to discontinue organ support. I can’t recall what the family chose, but remember the organ team feeling like circling vultures.)

That’s horrifying. Absolutely horrifying.

You do understand that in that circumstance there were kids at several other hospitals who were going to die without those organs, right? Do you really think it is horrifying to harvest organs from a dead body in order to save the lives of other people?

Kids will now live who would previously have been unethically harvested. That is a win.

That's simply false. There's no evidence of organ harvesting where the donor has any hope of regaining meaningful brain function.

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"Truth and Freedom" FFS

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"Truth and Freedom" FFS

sorry the img tag doesn't work

https://imgur.com/a/v7J7ERt

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yikes. I didn’t realize that these ghouls patrolled the hospital hallways. I’m taking off the donor designation on my license.

Pediatric hospitals too. It shouldn’t be legal, but it is. They’re harassing families and trying to not only get the families to donate, but to do so on their timeline (I recall a case of a braindead child, where the organ procurement crew told the family to wait until the patient experienced cardiac death, rather than allow the family to discontinue organ support. I can’t recall what the family chose, but remember the organ team feeling like circling vultures.)

That’s horrifying. Absolutely horrifying.

You do understand that in that circumstance there were kids at several other hospitals who were going to die without those organs, right? Do you really think it is horrifying to harvest organs from a dead body in order to save the lives of other people?

I don’t think badgering grieving parents is anything but horrifying.

I also think folks may overestimate how miraculous organ transplant is.

Should anything terrible come to my family, I would insist that organ vultures not be allowed in the room until we asked. Where I was, the docs/nurses had to let the organ folks in (and organ folks often got their info messed up, and asked parents of a kid dying of metastatic cancer for consent etc) and they would pressure parents. Sometimes families wanted an extra day of technological support to allow family to visit the bedside. These vultures would pressure parents to harvest organs ASAP bc donation after cardiac death is more limited than after brain death.

It is not the responsibility of parents who lost a (usually previously healthy) child to some tragic cause to save others.

It can be an incredible gift and a powerful decision that can also help the grieving parents. It should never be coerced. Grieving folks shouldn’t be bullied.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Here we have a rare, ethical psychiatrist with some useful observations.

And someone who has absolutely no clue what they're talking about per my wife who is an actual transplant surgeon and has saved countless lives.

If you look up that psychiatrist, it gets even worse.

That being said, he inadvertently made some accurate comments this time. There are a lot of steps in the organ donation and harvesting process. Not all are necessary in every situation, and they basically become part of a ritual reflecting the significance of the events.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Here we have a rare, ethical psychiatrist with some useful observations.

And someone who has absolutely no clue what they're talking about per my wife who is an actual transplant surgeon and has saved countless lives.

If you look up that psychiatrist, it gets even worse.

That being said, he inadvertently made some accurate comments this time. There are a lot of steps in the organ donation and harvesting process. Not all are necessary in every situation, and they basically become part of a ritual reflecting the significance of the events.

WTF? He's a total quack talking way outside of his area of expertise. You know how famously good investors Drs are? You know why? They think because they're really proficient in one area it extends to everything. He's a total grifter and should be completely ignored.

[Anonymous]

Only the best physicians have to guts to dare speak outside of their little black box.

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Anonymous wrote:The best way to keep your healthy organs is to eat better, exercise, not smoke, not abuse alcohol, not do drugs, not get shot and not get hit by a car.

Doctors have been saying this for a very long time. The American public could do better with listening.

Liar. Most doctors are NOT promoting health. The latest example is:

On Capitol Hill, the American Heart Association is FIGHTING the administration’s efforts to eliminate poisoned food from the SNAP program.

The American Heart Association is actively paying its lobbyists to KEEP poor people SICK by eating garbage like Lays Potato Chips and Pepsi. How evil is that, to keep our most vulnerable people suffering?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yikes. I didn’t realize that these ghouls patrolled the hospital hallways. I’m taking off the donor designation on my license.

Pediatric hospitals too. It shouldn’t be legal, but it is. They’re harassing families and trying to not only get the families to donate, but to do so on their timeline (I recall a case of a braindead child, where the organ procurement crew told the family to wait until the patient experienced cardiac death, rather than allow the family to discontinue organ support. I can’t recall what the family chose, but remember the organ team feeling like circling vultures.)

That’s horrifying. Absolutely horrifying.

You do understand that in that circumstance there were kids at several other hospitals who were going to die without those organs, right? Do you really think it is horrifying to harvest organs from a dead body in order to save the lives of other people?

I don’t think badgering grieving parents is anything but horrifying.

I also think folks may overestimate how miraculous organ transplant is.

Should anything terrible come to my family, I would insist that organ vultures not be allowed in the room until we asked. Where I was, the docs/nurses had to let the organ folks in (and organ folks often got their info messed up, and asked parents of a kid dying of metastatic cancer for consent etc) and they would pressure parents. Sometimes families wanted an extra day of technological support to allow family to visit the bedside. These vultures would pressure parents to harvest organs ASAP bc donation after cardiac death is more limited than after brain death.

It is not the responsibility of parents who lost a (usually previously healthy) child to some tragic cause to save others.

It can be an incredible gift and a powerful decision that can also help the grieving parents. It should never be coerced. Grieving folks shouldn’t be bullied.

No one is being "coerced," but it is a decision that needs to be made in a narrow window of time that happens to coincide with one fo the most difficult times in those individuals' lives. It's obviously better if they've thought about it before and know what they want to do. But if they didn't, or they don't, the decisions still need to be made within that time window. And several other lives hang in the balance.

Is that uncomfortable? Yes, I'm sure it is. Though, having been in that situation, the discomfort of questions from hospital staff pales in comparison to the pain of losing a loved one.

And I've been on the other side of that situation, too. Watching a loved one dying from a failing organ is also incredibly painful. And I can't fathom anyone taking the position that saving lives isn't worth some emotional discomfort.

[Anonymous]

13:11 — You are a relentless propaganda machine. Give it a rest.

This thread is not about your “emotional discomfort”. It’s about the greed to increase the use of organs of people who aren’t dead.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Here we have a rare, ethical psychiatrist with some useful observations.

And someone who has absolutely no clue what they're talking about per my wife who is an actual transplant surgeon and has saved countless lives.

If you look up that psychiatrist, it gets even worse.

That being said, he inadvertently made some accurate comments this time. There are a lot of steps in the organ donation and harvesting process. Not all are necessary in every situation, and they basically become part of a ritual reflecting the significance of the events.

WTF? He's a total quack talking way outside of his area of expertise. You know how famously good investors Drs are? You know why? They think because they're really proficient in one area it extends to everything. He's a total grifter and should be completely ignored.

PP. Indeed, but I think you misunderstood my post. I was merely saying it's true that there are rituals in the organ donation and harvesting process. I'm not sure why he seemed to be implying that's a bad thing. There are rituals in many important things i. life.