2026 MCSL Division Seedings

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

NCAP coaches discourage doing HS and summer swim. They don’t like their swimmers being a team, because they like having full control over the swimmers.

100000%. Sorry to say, they are such A-holes about it. Can't let their swimmers have any fun. All for the glory of NCap and pocketbook of Ugast (we say that as NCap survivors)

Is this site specific? Our NVSL team has a bunch of NCAP swimmers as assistant coaches.

I realize this is an MCSL thread, but on the other side of the river, our NCAP coaches encourage swimmers to prioritize summer swim, at least until the swimmer is capable of making Futures. For 12Us — all of whom do NCAP long course in summer because we pay 12 months regardless — coaches want the kids to enjoy summer league swim.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You can speculate all you want. He did not leave that mcsl team because of those swimmers departing Toll

Then why did he, pray tell, especially since it seems like more than one person thinks its a totally viable reason

have you thought about just asking him? I'm a parent, I did. what you call viable reasons, I call assumptions

He was totally going to tell you his childish reason for leaving 😂

at least I asked

I will definitely give you credit for that, but I would not believe him for a second. He has a history of not handling swimmers departing his club well, there was no way he was going to be able to coach a couple of them this summer after they left TOLL.

I heard the same explanation, I can believe it based on what I know from other former Toll parents. Regardless, I am still a happy Toll parent.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You can speculate all you want. He did not leave that mcsl team because of those swimmers departing Toll

Then why did he, pray tell, especially since it seems like more than one person thinks its a totally viable reason

I thought it was due to the A reps

Gee, and I wonder what the connection is between one of the A reps and one of the swimmers that left TOLL 🤔 I’ll just say I know TOLL parents are here defending him, but my information came from a TOLL parent who still likes the club but can acknowledge that the inability to professionally handle swimmers leaving the club is a shortcoming of this coach.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You can speculate all you want. He did not leave that mcsl team because of those swimmers departing Toll

Then why did he, pray tell, especially since it seems like more than one person thinks its a totally viable reason

I thought it was due to the A reps

He left bc of the A reps?!?! What kind of crazy reps do they have 😂

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My understanding is that everyone from their “elite” group left and it no longer exists. Pretty embarrassing if you have to fold a group due to lack of talent.

Whose elite group?

TOLL

This seems to happen every year. Elite swimmers leave for better clubs and TOLL gets pissed. Treats swimmers and parents like dirt, basically kicking them out. So unprofessional.

I’ve heard about this happening every year with many families. TOLL sucks. Stay away!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Back to the purpose of this thread. Can we discuss how insanely close B division is next year? Six teams separated by 3 projected wins and only 600 projected points? That's going to be a war!

+1 to the bolded

Start a separate thread about TOLL/CCRA.

We moved down a division but I think we’ll have a good group of teams next year. No one super far from the other, we know at least a few of the teams and they’re very nice, etc.

Always nice to have neighbors in your division. I often feel for Poolesville and Ashton where the closest away meet is like 25 minutes away. Used to be that Damascus and Plantations were all alone upcounty until Clarksburg boomed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

NCAP coaches discourage doing HS and summer swim. They don’t like their swimmers being a team, because they like having full control over the swimmers.

100000%. Sorry to say, they are such A-holes about it. Can't let their swimmers have any fun. All for the glory of NCap and pocketbook of Ugast (we say that as NCap survivors)

Is this site specific? Our NVSL team has a bunch of NCAP swimmers as assistant coaches.

I realize this is an MCSL thread, but on the other side of the river, our NCAP coaches encourage swimmers to prioritize summer swim, at least until the swimmer is capable of making Futures. For 12Us — all of whom do NCAP long course in summer because we pay 12 months regardless — coaches want the kids to enjoy summer league swim.

It’s not a thing in Maryland either. We’ve got a ton of kids from AU, Holton, and Prep sites on our summer team. PP is full of it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:NCAP swimmers are not encouraged to skip summer and HS season. It’s just made up BS. They are literally all over the Metros and other Big meet results. You can look them up.

Are there going to be isolated examples of kids deciding not to swim Summer? Sure.

But it’s a BS narrative that NCAP is shaming kids for HS swim.

We are not NCAP, but I think this is true. I haven't heard anything similar to NCAP kids are being discouraged to skip HS or summer swim by their club coaches from my fellow summer swim or HS team parents.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:NCAP swimmers are not encouraged to skip summer and HS season. It’s just made up BS. They are literally all over the Metros and other Big meet results. You can look them up.

Are there going to be isolated examples of kids deciding not to swim Summer? Sure.

But it’s a BS narrative that NCAP is shaming kids for HS swim.

We are not NCAP, but I think this is true. I haven't heard anything similar to NCAP kids are being discouraged to skip HS or summer swim by their club coaches from my fellow summer swim or HS team parents.

Not NCAP either, but I can see some NCAP coaches not wanting summer swim to be a distraction for their top swimmers during club swim long course season. There is some validity to this concern, because summer swim can be a distraction where the summer team is poorly coached/managed. This may be less of a risk for the 12&U club swim kids, but when they hit the 13-14 group, thoughts of swimming in college are considered.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:NCAP swimmers are not encouraged to skip summer and HS season. It’s just made up BS. They are literally all over the Metros and other Big meet results. You can look them up.

Are there going to be isolated examples of kids deciding not to swim Summer? Sure.

But it’s a BS narrative that NCAP is shaming kids for HS swim.

We are not NCAP, but I think this is true. I haven't heard anything similar to NCAP kids are being discouraged to skip HS or summer swim by their club coaches from my fellow summer swim or HS team parents.

Not NCAP either, but I can see some NCAP coaches not wanting summer swim to be a distraction for their top swimmers during club swim long course season. There is some validity to this concern, because summer swim can be a distraction where the summer team is poorly coached/managed. This may be less of a risk for the 12&U club swim kids, but when they hit the 13-14 group, thoughts of swimming in college are considered.

Who was the last elite DMV swimmer that didn’t swim summer league as a 15-18? Ledecky won a gold medal at 15 might be the only example and she is a generational swimmer. (And even she came back for one final meet as a 15-18)

[Anonymous]

There were Prep kids who came back from Futures in time to swim All Stars yesterday. This narrative just uses anecdotal evidence to push a negative story about NCAP and Prep. Which is that person’s prerogative but it doesn’t make it true.

Kids from all clubs like and don’t like Summer swim in different ways. You could pick and choose a narrative about any club.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There were Prep kids who came back from Futures in time to swim All Stars yesterday. This narrative just uses anecdotal evidence to push a negative story about NCAP and Prep. Which is that person’s prerogative but it doesn’t make it true.

Kids from all clubs like and don’t like Summer swim in different ways. You could pick and choose a narrative about any club.

+1, I was coming here to point out that there were Prep kids (because that’s who the NCAP hater is really focused on bashing) who came back from Futures in time to swim at All Stars. And yes, the importance of summer swim varies by kid, regardless of what club they swim for. Some kids are really into it and are willing to balance club and summer swim during those 8 weeks, and some kids are more focused on club and either don’t swim summer league at all or skip the summer meets if there is a conflict.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There were Prep kids who came back from Futures in time to swim All Stars yesterday. This narrative just uses anecdotal evidence to push a negative story about NCAP and Prep. Which is that person’s prerogative but it doesn’t make it true.

Kids from all clubs like and don’t like Summer swim in different ways. You could pick and choose a narrative about any club.

+1, I was coming here to point out that there were Prep kids (because that’s who the NCAP hater is really focused on bashing) who came back from Futures in time to swim at All Stars. And yes, the importance of summer swim varies by kid, regardless of what club they swim for. Some kids are really into it and are willing to balance club and summer swim during those 8 weeks, and some kids are more focused on club and either don’t swim summer league at all or skip the summer meets if there is a conflict.

Yes, I did see some Futures swimmers who swam at IAS.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There were Prep kids who came back from Futures in time to swim All Stars yesterday. This narrative just uses anecdotal evidence to push a negative story about NCAP and Prep. Which is that person’s prerogative but it doesn’t make it true.

Kids from all clubs like and don’t like Summer swim in different ways. You could pick and choose a narrative about any club.

+1, I was coming here to point out that there were Prep kids (because that’s who the NCAP hater is really focused on bashing) who came back from Futures in time to swim at All Stars. And yes, the importance of summer swim varies by kid, regardless of what club they swim for. Some kids are really into it and are willing to balance club and summer swim during those 8 weeks, and some kids are more focused on club and either don’t swim summer league at all or skip the summer meets if there is a conflict.

It’s cute you think there’s only one Prep hater😂 And in actuality it feels like AU is the site with more issues and much slower swimmers

They both have SafeSport complaints against them I guess that’s what they have in common