Shootings reported at homes of 2 Democratic lawmakers in Minnesota. At least 3 people shot, suspect at large

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She was detained for a few hours at a convenience store while they searched her car yesterday morning.

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Anonymous wrote:Amazing how quickly this thread has quietened down now that it’s clear the shooter voted for Trump. Yesterday it was the top thread most of the day as MAGA trolls furiously pushed back any suggestions that he might be from their side or had mental health issues. I don’t know if it was just a handful of people promoting MAGA talking points, but they were relentless.

I'm MAGA and early on I said it was irrelevant who he voted for. The guy clearly has issues. And I thought he was probably a big lefty, but again, it's stupid to point to a madman and say "this person represents everyone with those beliefs." You're either someone who believes political violence is justified or you're not. Most people do not believe in political violence. But there are people on both the right and the left who believe it. A democrat who isn't violent has a lot more in common with a MAGA who isn't violent than either have with the militants in their own party. I think the real issue is when people wink and nod at the violent people in their own party while claiming that there's no violence. Yes there is. On both sides. (Yes. Both. SiDeS.)

I'm the PP you're responding to, and I also posted several times earlier in the thread that the shooter probably had mental health issues and his party affiliation was irrelevant. The violent ones on "both sides" are a teeny-tiny fraction but they get the most attention in the news and are then held up as representing their side. Most MAGA were not present on Jan. 6 and most Dems who protest are not rioters or looters. Glad we can both agree on something!

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Anonymous wrote:This is what happens when one party sows hatred. This was so incredibly avoidable and yet inevitable at the same time. The Republican party sows hatred, plain and simple. I don’t care what anyone replies. I’m sick to death of this crap that led us to this. No one, literally no one, should die for being a member of a political party.

Pu-leeeeeeze. Dems calling every Republican vile, deplorable, stupid, Nazi, Fascist, Hitler….

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This is worrying...

Nearly a quarter of Americans (23 percent) believe that “true American patriots may have to resort to violence in order to save our country,” according to a 2023 poll conducted by the Public Religion Research Institute with the Brookings Institution. That number was 15 percent in 2021.

The polling showed that one-third of Republicans now support violence as a means of saving the country, compared with 22 percent of independents and 13 percent of Democrats. The numbers paint a portrait of a democracy where ordinary people now consume and espouse once-radical ideas and are primed to commit violence.

Minnesota killings spread fear in country riven by violence against politicians
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2025/06/15/minnesota-political-violence/

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is what happens when one party sows hatred. This was so incredibly avoidable and yet inevitable at the same time. The Republican party sows hatred, plain and simple. I don’t care what anyone replies. I’m sick to death of this crap that led us to this. No one, literally no one, should die for being a member of a political party.

Pu-leeeeeeze. Dems calling every Republican vile, deplorable, stupid, Nazi, Fascist, Hitler….

Trump has people on the ground acting like the SS of Nazi Germany.
Trump castigates brown and black people the same way Hitler castigated Jews, gypsies and gays.
Trump ignores the laws like a dictator.
The Christian right is imposing its moral will on the country.

If you don't see these actions as similar to "Nazi, Fascist, Hitler" and in and of itself deplorable, then that is on you.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Amazing how quickly this thread has quietened down now that it’s clear the shooter voted for Trump. Yesterday it was the top thread most of the day as MAGA trolls furiously pushed back any suggestions that he might be from their side or had mental health issues. I don’t know if it was just a handful of people promoting MAGA talking points, but they were relentless.

I'm MAGA and early on I said it was irrelevant who he voted for. The guy clearly has issues. And I thought he was probably a big lefty, but again, it's stupid to point to a madman and say "this person represents everyone with those beliefs." You're either someone who believes political violence is justified or you're not. Most people do not believe in political violence. But there are people on both the right and the left who believe it. A democrat who isn't violent has a lot more in common with a MAGA who isn't violent than either have with the militants in their own party. I think the real issue is when people wink and nod at the violent people in their own party while claiming that there's no violence. Yes there is. On both sides. (Yes. Both. SiDeS.)

Nope. Not really.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is what happens when one party sows hatred. This was so incredibly avoidable and yet inevitable at the same time. The Republican party sows hatred, plain and simple. I don’t care what anyone replies. I’m sick to death of this crap that led us to this. No one, literally no one, should die for being a member of a political party.

Pu-leeeeeeze. Dems calling every Republican vile, deplorable, stupid, Nazi, Fascist, Hitler….

When your leader is playing straight from the nazi handbook and his special appointees are giving nazi salutes, what do you expect? It is vile to snatch people off the street and ignore the constitution, and if you watched any of these hearings, they’re not smart. And yet you follow them around like dogs. If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck…

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is what happens when one party sows hatred. This was so incredibly avoidable and yet inevitable at the same time. The Republican party sows hatred, plain and simple. I don’t care what anyone replies. I’m sick to death of this crap that led us to this. No one, literally no one, should die for being a member of a political party.

Pu-leeeeeeze. Dems calling every Republican vile, deplorable, stupid, Nazi, Fascist, Hitler….

Trump has people on the ground acting like the SS of Nazi Germany.
Trump castigates brown and black people the same way Hitler castigated Jews, gypsies and gays.
Trump ignores the laws like a dictator.
The Christian right is imposing its moral will on the country.

If you don't see these actions as similar to "Nazi, Fascist, Hitler" and in and of itself deplorable, then that is on you.

Lest any of us forget, on June 16, 2015, during his presidential campaign announcement at Trump Tower in New York City, Donald Trump said the following:

"When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending their best. They’re not sending you. They’re not sending you. They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people."

That was the tone he chose when kicking off his presidential campaign.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Amazing how quickly this thread has quietened down now that it’s clear the shooter voted for Trump. Yesterday it was the top thread most of the day as MAGA trolls furiously pushed back any suggestions that he might be from their side or had mental health issues. I don’t know if it was just a handful of people promoting MAGA talking points, but they were relentless.

I'm MAGA and early on I said it was irrelevant who he voted for. The guy clearly has issues. And I thought he was probably a big lefty, but again, it's stupid to point to a madman and say "this person represents everyone with those beliefs." You're either someone who believes political violence is justified or you're not. Most people do not believe in political violence. But there are people on both the right and the left who believe it. A democrat who isn't violent has a lot more in common with a MAGA who isn't violent than either have with the militants in their own party. I think the real issue is when people wink and nod at the violent people in their own party while claiming that there's no violence. Yes there is. On both sides. (Yes. Both. SiDeS.)

It is irrelevant who he voted for, but you have to be honest that the rhetoric from the right and the impunity that Trump and his administration are willing to resort to violence (ICE, the thugs who roughed up Senator Padilla, they guy who drove into the "no kings" rally in Charlotesville as examples from just the past couple of days) does not help return the country to settling issues at the ballot box and through debate, rather than inflame and foster more violence.

It is core to MAGA and the project of the violence from the left is just that. Yes, there are bad actors on all sides, but the facts matter. A lot of the vioence coming out of the 2020 protests were right wingers using those protests to agitate. Look it up. I am not saying there are not bad actors on the left and also the anarchists - there are, but lets be honest, the MAGA leadership is all about projecting power through violence, it is core to the message so that people will be fearful and cower. I think we saw yesterday that Americans are not going to fall prey the way the Turks, Russians and Hugarians have.

The country is too big.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is what happens when one party sows hatred. This was so incredibly avoidable and yet inevitable at the same time. The Republican party sows hatred, plain and simple. I don’t care what anyone replies. I’m sick to death of this crap that led us to this. No one, literally no one, should die for being a member of a political party.

Pu-leeeeeeze. Dems calling every Republican vile, deplorable, stupid, Nazi, Fascist, Hitler….

Their MAGA leader just had a military parade for his birthday. You know who else did that.. Hitler and Kim.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Amazing how quickly this thread has quietened down now that it’s clear the shooter voted for Trump. Yesterday it was the top thread most of the day as MAGA trolls furiously pushed back any suggestions that he might be from their side or had mental health issues. I don’t know if it was just a handful of people promoting MAGA talking points, but they were relentless.

I'm MAGA and early on I said it was irrelevant who he voted for. The guy clearly has issues. And I thought he was probably a big lefty, but again, it's stupid to point to a madman and say "this person represents everyone with those beliefs." You're either someone who believes political violence is justified or you're not. Most people do not believe in political violence. But there are people on both the right and the left who believe it. A democrat who isn't violent has a lot more in common with a MAGA who isn't violent than either have with the militants in their own party. I think the real issue is when people wink and nod at the violent people in their own party while claiming that there's no violence. Yes there is. On both sides. (Yes. Both. SiDeS.)

Just a reminder: Trump pardoned the J6 violent insurrectionists.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is what happens when one party sows hatred. This was so incredibly avoidable and yet inevitable at the same time. The Republican party sows hatred, plain and simple. I don’t care what anyone replies. I’m sick to death of this crap that led us to this. No one, literally no one, should die for being a member of a political party.

Pu-leeeeeeze. Dems calling every Republican vile, deplorable, stupid, Nazi, Fascist, Hitler….

When your leader is playing straight from the nazi handbook and his special appointees are giving nazi salutes, what do you expect? It is vile to snatch people off the street and ignore the constitution, and if you watched any of these hearings, they’re not smart. And yet you follow them around like dogs. If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck…

PP again. And now there’s video footage of hot mic with Trump saying he wants “his people” to obey him like Kim Jong Un, calls him a strong leader, and says he might invite him to the White House. If you support him, call yourself MAGA, you are vile and deplorable. It really isn’t that complicated.

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Anonymous wrote:Federal law-enforcement is offering to protect politicians in Wisconsin. I wonder is this is just for republicans politicians.

If I was a democratic or independent politician there is no way I would allow federal law enforcement near me.

The shooter’s target list included politicians in Wisconsin.

[Anonymous]

Mental health issues are ALWAYS the background profile of ALL the lone wolves who go through with murderous violence.

But the political tendencies of wannabe domestic terrorists tend to fall into a racist, xenophobic pattern that aligns with far-right ideals, because that sort of anger is much more easily accessible in the human mind, which already comes pre-built with tribalist instincts, than any leftist anger against Big Corp/Pharma/Tech, wealthy people, etc, which is much more non-obvious, cerebral and complex form of resentment, and is therefore out of reach of most human beings.

Studies show that despite threats from both political extremes, the immense majority of *realistic* threats come from the extreme right. Indeed, far right domestic terrorism is top of the list of concerns for the FBI.

These are the FACTS, people. I do not fault normal, decent, conservatives for spawning violent rhetoric and triggering violent acts among the mentally ill. The average GOP voter is not responsible for that, just the as average Democrat is not responsible for any of the pandemic-era BLM looting and burning.

But we've got to accept that the right tends to exploit racial, ethnic and religious tribalism more than the left, and that's why lone wolf assassins tend to have extreme-right beliefs, on average. There are exceptions, but they do nothing more than prove the rule.

[Anonymous]

Because the entire MAGA agenda/Project 2025 is based on hatred and violence. They wrote you a roadmap, are implementing it, are inciting violence by roping in mentally ill cultists, and people are still acting like Dems and MAGA are BoThSiDeS. They’re not.