Beyonce and Blu Ivy

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Anonymous wrote:I hope Beyoncé knows what she’s doing because her daughter is only 13 years old, she looks much older than that and she is very pretty. I would be worried about it, but I’m not her mom. I have no opinion on her talent or abilities because I know zero about that.

Black girls always look older to some people

Only if dressed to show cleavage and tight clothes. Same goes for white girls.

You can think what you want about Blue Ivy but you should educate yourself on adultification. https://genderjusticeandopportunity.georgetown.edu/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/girlhood-interrupted.pdf

Talk to Blue’s parents, who are clearly adultifying her at the age of 13.

*sigh* These are important conversations and I don't mind having them, but you really have to at least educate yourself on the topic before participating. You keep blaming Beyoncé, but adultification isn’t about what a parent lets their kid wear, it’s about how you and society project adult or sexual meanings onto Black girls who are just being kids.

Blue Ivy performing in a sparkly outfit doesn’t make her grown. What makes her ‘look grown’ to you is adultification bias, the same bias that research shows leads people to see Black girls as older, less innocent, and more sexual than they actually are.

That’s not on Beyoncé. That’s on you

DP. I think the disconnect is that you and PP are talking about separate things. You are talking about a well documented phenomenon where black children are adultified in our community in comparison to white children. For example, if a hypothetical person saw a white girl and a black girl on a playground, or in the same fifth grade class, said person may view or treat the black child differently. It’s a harmful phenomenon.

But I think PP is talking about the choices that Blue Ivy’s parents are making that seem harmful to her childhood.

Taking race out of it, Britney Spears was 16 when Hit Me Baby came out. She was dressed as a schoolgirl, complete with braids and knee high socks. At 16. Her parents and she made choices that led to her being sexualized as a child.

Putting Blue Ivy on tour, in certain clothing, having her dance suggestively (similar to Britney Spears) will likely lead to her “adultification”. And that part is not due to race, but to choices she and her parents are making.

For the record I don’t see anything from her as harmful as what Britney was doing at 16. Still, having her be to public at this young age is… probably not good for her.

You're right, we are talking about two different things. I didn’t originally bring up adultification; someone else did. I responded because another commenter called it “BS excuses for dressing in a sexy way intentionally,” which is a completely false and harmful statement.

Adultification is something I actually wrote about in college, and it’s a topic I care about deeply. I’m always open to thoughtful, respectful conversations, but I think I’m going to leave this one here. It doesn’t seem like that poster is actually interested in understanding what adultification bias is.

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Anonymous wrote:I hope Beyoncé knows what she’s doing because her daughter is only 13 years old, she looks much older than that and she is very pretty. I would be worried about it, but I’m not her mom. I have no opinion on her talent or abilities because I know zero about that.

Black girls always look older to some people

Only if dressed to show cleavage and tight clothes. Same goes for white girls.

You can think what you want about Blue Ivy but you should educate yourself on adultification. https://genderjusticeandopportunity.georgetown.edu/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/girlhood-interrupted.pdf

Talk to Blue’s parents, who are clearly adultifying her at the age of 13.

*sigh* These are important conversations and I don't mind having them, but you really have to at least educate yourself on the topic before participating. You keep blaming Beyoncé, but adultification isn’t about what a parent lets their kid wear, it’s about how you and society project adult or sexual meanings onto Black girls who are just being kids.

Blue Ivy performing in a sparkly outfit doesn’t make her grown. What makes her ‘look grown’ to you is adultification bias, the same bias that research shows leads people to see Black girls as older, less innocent, and more sexual than they actually are.

That’s not on Beyoncé. That’s on you

DP. I think the disconnect is that you and PP are talking about separate things. You are talking about a well documented phenomenon where black children are adultified in our community in comparison to white children. For example, if a hypothetical person saw a white girl and a black girl on a playground, or in the same fifth grade class, said person may view or treat the black child differently. It’s a harmful phenomenon.

But I think PP is talking about the choices that Blue Ivy’s parents are making that seem harmful to her childhood.

Taking race out of it, Britney Spears was 16 when Hit Me Baby came out. She was dressed as a schoolgirl, complete with braids and knee high socks. At 16. Her parents and she made choices that led to her being sexualized as a child.

Putting Blue Ivy on tour, in certain clothing, having her dance suggestively (similar to Britney Spears) will likely lead to her “adultification”. And that part is not due to race, but to choices she and her parents are making.

For the record I don’t see anything from her as harmful as what Britney was doing at 16. Still, having her be to public at this young age is… probably not good for her.

You're right, we are talking about two different things. I didn’t originally bring up adultification; someone else did. I responded because another commenter called it “BS excuses for dressing in a sexy way intentionally,” which is a completely false and harmful statement.

Adultification is something I actually wrote about in college, and it’s a topic I care about deeply. I’m always open to thoughtful, respectful conversations, but I think I’m going to leave this one here. It doesn’t seem like that poster is actually interested in understanding what adultification bias is.

It doesn’t apply here at all.

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Anonymous wrote:I hope Beyoncé knows what she’s doing because her daughter is only 13 years old, she looks much older than that and she is very pretty. I would be worried about it, but I’m not her mom. I have no opinion on her talent or abilities because I know zero about that.

Black girls always look older to some people

Only if dressed to show cleavage and tight clothes. Same goes for white girls.

You can think what you want about Blue Ivy but you should educate yourself on adultification. https://genderjusticeandopportunity.georgetown.edu/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/girlhood-interrupted.pdf

Talk to Blue’s parents, who are clearly adultifying her at the age of 13.

*sigh* These are important conversations and I don't mind having them, but you really have to at least educate yourself on the topic before participating. You keep blaming Beyoncé, but adultification isn’t about what a parent lets their kid wear, it’s about how you and society project adult or sexual meanings onto Black girls who are just being kids.

Blue Ivy performing in a sparkly outfit doesn’t make her grown. What makes her ‘look grown’ to you is adultification bias, the same bias that research shows leads people to see Black girls as older, less innocent, and more sexual than they actually are.

That’s not on Beyoncé. That’s on you

DP. I think the disconnect is that you and PP are talking about separate things. You are talking about a well documented phenomenon where black children are adultified in our community in comparison to white children. For example, if a hypothetical person saw a white girl and a black girl on a playground, or in the same fifth grade class, said person may view or treat the black child differently. It’s a harmful phenomenon.

But I think PP is talking about the choices that Blue Ivy’s parents are making that seem harmful to her childhood.

Taking race out of it, Britney Spears was 16 when Hit Me Baby came out. She was dressed as a schoolgirl, complete with braids and knee high socks. At 16. Her parents and she made choices that led to her being sexualized as a child.

Putting Blue Ivy on tour, in certain clothing, having her dance suggestively (similar to Britney Spears) will likely lead to her “adultification”. And that part is not due to race, but to choices she and her parents are making.

For the record I don’t see anything from her as harmful as what Britney was doing at 16. Still, having her be to public at this young age is… probably not good for her.

You're right, we are talking about two different things. I didn’t originally bring up adultification; someone else did. I responded because another commenter called it “BS excuses for dressing in a sexy way intentionally,” which is a completely false and harmful statement.

Adultification is something I actually wrote about in college, and it’s a topic I care about deeply. I’m always open to thoughtful, respectful conversations, but I think I’m going to leave this one here. It doesn’t seem like that poster is actually interested in understanding what adultification bias is.

I'm the poster who said BS. I'm not disputing the research; I'm saying that it's not always the reason. Britneys's sexy moves at age 16 and singing "Baby, Hit Me One More Time" were intentional, and she's a white girl from Mississippi.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:That's not a 7 year old girl, more like a 12 or 13 year old girl. It's alleged she's been lying about her age, shaved 5 to 7 years off.

I don't know what in the adultification of Black children hell is going on with you, but that is not a 13 year old. Her voice, cadence, movements, and everything scream much younger child.

Yes. This is definitely a young girl. 7 sounds about right.

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Anonymous wrote:That's not a 7 year old girl, more like a 12 or 13 year old girl. It's alleged she's been lying about her age, shaved 5 to 7 years off.

I don't know what in the adultification of Black children hell is going on with you, but that is not a 13 year old. Her voice, cadence, movements, and everything scream much younger child.

Yes. This is definitely a young girl. 7 sounds about right.

+1 Yes, sadly so.

[Anonymous]

I noticed this too, she does not look 13. Then I recall thinking Beyoncé looked well into her 20s when Destiny’s Child debuted and she was only 17, so perhaps its genes. That being said, Blue Ivy came across as very poised and thoughtful when doing promo for the Lion King last year. I think her parents are raising her with intention beyond the goal of nepo-baby.

Cool story: I have a photo of me with Beyoncé, she’s 17-18 and I’m about 14-15 and she looks waaaay older (also I look like a 14 year old with acne and teen problems so that plays a part)

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Anonymous wrote:I hope Beyoncé knows what she’s doing because her daughter is only 13 years old, she looks much older than that and she is very pretty. I would be worried about it, but I’m not her mom. I have no opinion on her talent or abilities because I know zero about that.

Black girls always look older to some people

Only if dressed to show cleavage and tight clothes. Same goes for white girls.

You can think what you want about Blue Ivy but you should educate yourself on adultification. https://genderjusticeandopportunity.georgetown.edu/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/girlhood-interrupted.pdf

Talk to Blue’s parents, who are clearly adultifying her at the age of 13.

*sigh* These are important conversations and I don't mind having them, but you really have to at least educate yourself on the topic before participating. You keep blaming Beyoncé, but adultification isn’t about what a parent lets their kid wear, it’s about how you and society project adult or sexual meanings onto Black girls who are just being kids.

Blue Ivy performing in a sparkly outfit doesn’t make her grown. What makes her ‘look grown’ to you is adultification bias, the same bias that research shows leads people to see Black girls as older, less innocent, and more sexual than they actually are.

That’s not on Beyoncé. That’s on you

DP. I think the disconnect is that you and PP are talking about separate things. You are talking about a well documented phenomenon where black children are adultified in our community in comparison to white children. For example, if a hypothetical person saw a white girl and a black girl on a playground, or in the same fifth grade class, said person may view or treat the black child differently. It’s a harmful phenomenon.

But I think PP is talking about the choices that Blue Ivy’s parents are making that seem harmful to her childhood.

Taking race out of it, Britney Spears was 16 when Hit Me Baby came out. She was dressed as a schoolgirl, complete with braids and knee high socks. At 16. Her parents and she made choices that led to her being sexualized as a child.

Putting Blue Ivy on tour, in certain clothing, having her dance suggestively (similar to Britney Spears) will likely lead to her “adultification”. And that part is not due to race, but to choices she and her parents are making.

For the record I don’t see anything from her as harmful as what Britney was doing at 16. Still, having her be to public at this young age is… probably not good for her.

You're right, we are talking about two different things. I didn’t originally bring up adultification; someone else did. I responded because another commenter called it “BS excuses for dressing in a sexy way intentionally,” which is a completely false and harmful statement.

Adultification is something I actually wrote about in college, and it’s a topic I care about deeply. I’m always open to thoughtful, respectful conversations, but I think I’m going to leave this one here. It doesn’t seem like that poster is actually interested in understanding what adultification bias is.

It doesn’t apply here at all.

(DP). I think the adultification of Black children is always relevant, it just might be inapplicable to a certain poster’s POV. It’s fair for us to question whether we feel that Blu Ivy is “too grown up” because of our implicit bias against Black girls, * or * if it is because of what’s she’s wearing / how she’s acting and we would have the same opinion if she was white.

[Anonymous]

I wish they would let Blue live a quiet life and stop putting her on stage.

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Anonymous wrote:I wish they would let Blue live a quiet life and stop putting her on stage.

I don’t love that they let her be on stage so much. Not that I think she is being forced to but I wish they wouldn’t allow it. Beyoncé knows better than anyone how social media will pick you apart and write horrible nasty comments about every little thing you do, wear, say. Blue Ivy might accidentally roll her eyes on stage or make a face and thr internet would accuse her of being rude or a brat or whatever. I just don’t think a 13 year old she be under that level of scrutiny. And Beyoncé has FU money so it’s not like her child has to perform.

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Anonymous wrote:I wish they would let Blue live a quiet life and stop putting her on stage.

The only one who lives a quiet life is her son and we all know why

[Anonymous]

Only a matter of time until North West starts her own foray into the entertainment industry..

Will be interesting

[Anonymous]

I just find it puzzling how people go after helicopter parents for making minor kids go to Kumon to do math worksheets but find no issue with child star parents sexualizing their minor kids.

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Anonymous wrote:I just find it puzzling how people go after helicopter parents for making minor kids go to Kumon to do math worksheets but find no issue with child star parents sexualizing their minor kids.

?? Most of us are saying we don’t approve of what the parents are doing. Plus you’re comparing apples to oranges. If you want to talk Kumon, go to the AAP forum.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I wish they would let Blue live a quiet life and stop putting her on stage.

She needs the family PR before her husband is exposed next.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Only a matter of time until North West starts her own foray into the entertainment industry..

Will be interesting

North has been going on stage with her dad for years. She even recorded a song and performed it. She’s walked the red carpet with Kim at the met gala, she’s in a music video with FKA twigs and her and Kim always do TikTok's. She’s 11.