What’s the point of redshirting when it cancels out the pride factor?

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Anonymous wrote:This is such a weird thread.

I cannot believe how totally weird the anti-redshirters are. It’s certainly eye-opening.

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Anonymous wrote:We held back or DS at pre-K. Applied for him to attend a school as either pre-k or k, and he was admitted for pre-k. We decided to take the offer as we loved the school and I liked the idea of his being home an extra year and his having his license to drive on the early side. He’s now a junior in college and all turned out well.

He’d have his license on the later side if he went on time. My young for the grade does not get their license till the end of junior year.

Wait, what? Did your child skip a grade? Or are you in NJ (only state with license at 17)? I have a true young-for-grade kid (late spring birthday, sent on time) and my kid could get a full license by late spring of sophomore year. I don’t understand how the bolded works.

No, in md you cannot get your license till 16.5. So, if you have a fall birthday that puts you in the spring. Do the math. Was your child held back?

I can see how a young for grade kid could not be eligible for a license until end of junior year but it would be a pretty unusual set of circumstances: a state with a late license age (16.5 or 17), a very late fall kindergarten cutoff, and a child born exactly at the cutoff.

If the PP in MD had a kid born Aug 30 (cutoff is Sept 1 in MD) and sent on time then that kid could get her license earliest March 1, age 16.5. So, not quite end of junior year as the PP said, but getting there.

My kid is currently a sophomore in HS. Young for grade, sent on time. Will turn 16 in late June, is currently 15. Our state is 16 for licenses so my kid will have a license this summer and all of junior year.

So, I think it is theoretically possible for a young for grade kid who is sent on time to not be DL-eligible until end of junior year, but it’s probably not a very common occurrence.

In MD you can test in through 10-15. Be accurate. Your child is not young for the grade. They are a normal age for a sophomore. My sophomore does not turn 16 till the fall. So, after April and that is basically the end of the year.

Testing in is unusual. So, your kid not belong eligible for a license until latest April 15 is indeed a rare situation.

Also it is so extremely odd that you believe all DCUM posters have the exact cutoff as MD. So weird.

Other schools in the area are 9/30 so September kids are on time. It’s not unusual at all for kids to test in or got to private k-1st and then transfer to public. Only rich families, it’s generally hold their kids back to get into the privates. The privates cannot handle age appropriate kids which speaks volumes of their schools. I don’t know any summer birthdays in public who were held back a year. Only kids I know held back had severe special needs and they did it to get into more private therapies.

June-August kids are not young for the grade and are supposed to be in that grade.

June-August ARE young for the grade. Some areas, especially those that start and end school early (done by Memorial Day) are moving to a 7/31 cutoff BTW. As our school years start earlier and earlier, you might see it here too.

+1. When I was growing up our cutoff bounced between July 1 and August 1.

It’s weird to think that just because the school district says September 30, that means that everyone before that date is the “right” age for their grade, no debate or questions.

It wasn’t around here. The point of grades is for age appropriate peer groups.

This has to be the crazy natural law anti-redshirter, right? There cannot be two people on DCUM this insane.

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Anonymous wrote:Kids who are the youngest in their class aren’t going to get discounts on cars and houses when they grow up.

What does this mean?

No seller is going to go “I know you can’t afford my product, but if you had been relatively older in school, you’d probably have a better job and would be afford it, so I’m going to give you a discount.”

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Pride won’t pay the rent.

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Anonymous wrote:We held back or DS at pre-K. Applied for him to attend a school as either pre-k or k, and he was admitted for pre-k. We decided to take the offer as we loved the school and I liked the idea of his being home an extra year and his having his license to drive on the early side. He’s now a junior in college and all turned out well.

He’d have his license on the later side if he went on time. My young for the grade does not get their license till the end of junior year.

Wait, what? Did your child skip a grade? Or are you in NJ (only state with license at 17)? I have a true young-for-grade kid (late spring birthday, sent on time) and my kid could get a full license by late spring of sophomore year. I don’t understand how the bolded works.

No, in md you cannot get your license till 16.5. So, if you have a fall birthday that puts you in the spring. Do the math. Was your child held back?

I can see how a young for grade kid could not be eligible for a license until end of junior year but it would be a pretty unusual set of circumstances: a state with a late license age (16.5 or 17), a very late fall kindergarten cutoff, and a child born exactly at the cutoff.

If the PP in MD had a kid born Aug 30 (cutoff is Sept 1 in MD) and sent on time then that kid could get her license earliest March 1, age 16.5. So, not quite end of junior year as the PP said, but getting there.

My kid is currently a sophomore in HS. Young for grade, sent on time. Will turn 16 in late June, is currently 15. Our state is 16 for licenses so my kid will have a license this summer and all of junior year.

So, I think it is theoretically possible for a young for grade kid who is sent on time to not be DL-eligible until end of junior year, but it’s probably not a very common occurrence.

In MD you can test in through 10-15. Be accurate. Your child is not young for the grade. They are a normal age for a sophomore. My sophomore does not turn 16 till the fall. So, after April and that is basically the end of the year.

Testing in is unusual. So, your kid not belong eligible for a license until latest April 15 is indeed a rare situation.

Also it is so extremely odd that you believe all DCUM posters have the exact cutoff as MD. So weird.

Other schools in the area are 9/30 so September kids are on time. It’s not unusual at all for kids to test in or got to private k-1st and then transfer to public. Only rich families, it’s generally hold their kids back to get into the privates. The privates cannot handle age appropriate kids which speaks volumes of their schools. I don’t know any summer birthdays in public who were held back a year. Only kids I know held back had severe special needs and they did it to get into more private therapies.

June-August kids are not young for the grade and are supposed to be in that grade.

June-August ARE young for the grade. Some areas, especially those that start and end school early (done by Memorial Day) are moving to a 7/31 cutoff BTW. As our school years start earlier and earlier, you might see it here too.

+1. When I was growing up our cutoff bounced between July 1 and August 1.

It’s weird to think that just because the school district says September 30, that means that everyone before that date is the “right” age for their grade, no debate or questions.

It wasn’t around here. The point of grades is for age appropriate peer groups.

It wasn’t around here, no, but who cares? That’s not relevant to this discussion.

You seem to think that a kid who just turned 5 in August or September is somehow not age appropriate if they wait a year. But they are no further in age from the other kids in the grade than if they started “on time,” just on the older side now instead of the younger side previously.

If it’s before the cut off, no. They are over a year older than many kids.

Sigh. You seem unaware of how a calendar works.

If you have a kid who turns 5 on September 30 and that’s the cut off, they will be just as close in age to the kids in the “current” grade as the kids in next year’s grade. It’s just that now they will be among the oldest in the class, rather than the youngest. But the “distance” from their classmates is not different. If this kid waits a year and turns 6 on September 30, he will be closer in age to all of the kids turning 6 from October to March than he would have been had he gone a year earlier (where he would have been closer in age to the kids turning 6 from March-September). It’s not somehow age inappropriate.

Now the more you walk this date up, the more the kid becomes closer in age to the current class instead of the next year’s class. But it’s still not like there is some huge imbalance if the kid is born on September 1 or August 15 or the like.

I wonder how these kids without issues that stay back a year are kept from being bored.

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Anonymous wrote:We held back or DS at pre-K. Applied for him to attend a school as either pre-k or k, and he was admitted for pre-k. We decided to take the offer as we loved the school and I liked the idea of his being home an extra year and his having his license to drive on the early side. He’s now a junior in college and all turned out well.

He’d have his license on the later side if he went on time. My young for the grade does not get their license till the end of junior year.

Wait, what? Did your child skip a grade? Or are you in NJ (only state with license at 17)? I have a true young-for-grade kid (late spring birthday, sent on time) and my kid could get a full license by late spring of sophomore year. I don’t understand how the bolded works.

No, in md you cannot get your license till 16.5. So, if you have a fall birthday that puts you in the spring. Do the math. Was your child held back?

I can see how a young for grade kid could not be eligible for a license until end of junior year but it would be a pretty unusual set of circumstances: a state with a late license age (16.5 or 17), a very late fall kindergarten cutoff, and a child born exactly at the cutoff.

If the PP in MD had a kid born Aug 30 (cutoff is Sept 1 in MD) and sent on time then that kid could get her license earliest March 1, age 16.5. So, not quite end of junior year as the PP said, but getting there.

My kid is currently a sophomore in HS. Young for grade, sent on time. Will turn 16 in late June, is currently 15. Our state is 16 for licenses so my kid will have a license this summer and all of junior year.

So, I think it is theoretically possible for a young for grade kid who is sent on time to not be DL-eligible until end of junior year, but it’s probably not a very common occurrence.

In MD you can test in through 10-15. Be accurate. Your child is not young for the grade. They are a normal age for a sophomore. My sophomore does not turn 16 till the fall. So, after April and that is basically the end of the year.

Testing in is unusual. So, your kid not belong eligible for a license until latest April 15 is indeed a rare situation.

Also it is so extremely odd that you believe all DCUM posters have the exact cutoff as MD. So weird.

Other schools in the area are 9/30 so September kids are on time. It’s not unusual at all for kids to test in or got to private k-1st and then transfer to public. Only rich families, it’s generally hold their kids back to get into the privates. The privates cannot handle age appropriate kids which speaks volumes of their schools. I don’t know any summer birthdays in public who were held back a year. Only kids I know held back had severe special needs and they did it to get into more private therapies.

June-August kids are not young for the grade and are supposed to be in that grade.

June-August ARE young for the grade. Some areas, especially those that start and end school early (done by Memorial Day) are moving to a 7/31 cutoff BTW. As our school years start earlier and earlier, you might see it here too.

+1. When I was growing up our cutoff bounced between July 1 and August 1.

It’s weird to think that just because the school district says September 30, that means that everyone before that date is the “right” age for their grade, no debate or questions.

It wasn’t around here. The point of grades is for age appropriate peer groups.

It wasn’t around here, no, but who cares? That’s not relevant to this discussion.

You seem to think that a kid who just turned 5 in August or September is somehow not age appropriate if they wait a year. But they are no further in age from the other kids in the grade than if they started “on time,” just on the older side now instead of the younger side previously.

If it’s before the cut off, no. They are over a year older than many kids.

Sigh. You seem unaware of how a calendar works.

If you have a kid who turns 5 on September 30 and that’s the cut off, they will be just as close in age to the kids in the “current” grade as the kids in next year’s grade. It’s just that now they will be among the oldest in the class, rather than the youngest. But the “distance” from their classmates is not different. If this kid waits a year and turns 6 on September 30, he will be closer in age to all of the kids turning 6 from October to March than he would have been had he gone a year earlier (where he would have been closer in age to the kids turning 6 from March-September). It’s not somehow age inappropriate.

Now the more you walk this date up, the more the kid becomes closer in age to the current class instead of the next year’s class. But it’s still not like there is some huge imbalance if the kid is born on September 1 or August 15 or the like.

I wonder how these kids without issues that stay back a year are kept from being bored.

They’re fine. They generally are well-behaved in my experience.

- Non-redshirting parent

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Anonymous wrote:We held back or DS at pre-K. Applied for him to attend a school as either pre-k or k, and he was admitted for pre-k. We decided to take the offer as we loved the school and I liked the idea of his being home an extra year and his having his license to drive on the early side. He’s now a junior in college and all turned out well.

He’d have his license on the later side if he went on time. My young for the grade does not get their license till the end of junior year.

Wait, what? Did your child skip a grade? Or are you in NJ (only state with license at 17)? I have a true young-for-grade kid (late spring birthday, sent on time) and my kid could get a full license by late spring of sophomore year. I don’t understand how the bolded works.

No, in md you cannot get your license till 16.5. So, if you have a fall birthday that puts you in the spring. Do the math. Was your child held back?

I can see how a young for grade kid could not be eligible for a license until end of junior year but it would be a pretty unusual set of circumstances: a state with a late license age (16.5 or 17), a very late fall kindergarten cutoff, and a child born exactly at the cutoff.

If the PP in MD had a kid born Aug 30 (cutoff is Sept 1 in MD) and sent on time then that kid could get her license earliest March 1, age 16.5. So, not quite end of junior year as the PP said, but getting there.

My kid is currently a sophomore in HS. Young for grade, sent on time. Will turn 16 in late June, is currently 15. Our state is 16 for licenses so my kid will have a license this summer and all of junior year.

So, I think it is theoretically possible for a young for grade kid who is sent on time to not be DL-eligible until end of junior year, but it’s probably not a very common occurrence.

In MD you can test in through 10-15. Be accurate. Your child is not young for the grade. They are a normal age for a sophomore. My sophomore does not turn 16 till the fall. So, after April and that is basically the end of the year.

Testing in is unusual. So, your kid not belong eligible for a license until latest April 15 is indeed a rare situation.

Also it is so extremely odd that you believe all DCUM posters have the exact cutoff as MD. So weird.

Other schools in the area are 9/30 so September kids are on time. It’s not unusual at all for kids to test in or got to private k-1st and then transfer to public. Only rich families, it’s generally hold their kids back to get into the privates. The privates cannot handle age appropriate kids which speaks volumes of their schools. I don’t know any summer birthdays in public who were held back a year. Only kids I know held back had severe special needs and they did it to get into more private therapies.

June-August kids are not young for the grade and are supposed to be in that grade.

June-August ARE young for the grade. Some areas, especially those that start and end school early (done by Memorial Day) are moving to a 7/31 cutoff BTW. As our school years start earlier and earlier, you might see it here too.

+1. When I was growing up our cutoff bounced between July 1 and August 1.

It’s weird to think that just because the school district says September 30, that means that everyone before that date is the “right” age for their grade, no debate or questions.

It wasn’t around here. The point of grades is for age appropriate peer groups.

It wasn’t around here, no, but who cares? That’s not relevant to this discussion.

You seem to think that a kid who just turned 5 in August or September is somehow not age appropriate if they wait a year. But they are no further in age from the other kids in the grade than if they started “on time,” just on the older side now instead of the younger side previously.

If it’s before the cut off, no. They are over a year older than many kids.

Sigh. You seem unaware of how a calendar works.

If you have a kid who turns 5 on September 30 and that’s the cut off, they will be just as close in age to the kids in the “current” grade as the kids in next year’s grade. It’s just that now they will be among the oldest in the class, rather than the youngest. But the “distance” from their classmates is not different. If this kid waits a year and turns 6 on September 30, he will be closer in age to all of the kids turning 6 from October to March than he would have been had he gone a year earlier (where he would have been closer in age to the kids turning 6 from March-September). It’s not somehow age inappropriate.

Now the more you walk this date up, the more the kid becomes closer in age to the current class instead of the next year’s class. But it’s still not like there is some huge imbalance if the kid is born on September 1 or August 15 or the like.

I wonder how these kids without issues that stay back a year are kept from being bored.

The same way the kids born in October and November, who are very nearly the same age, are kept from being bored.

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Isn’t school boring for everyone?

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I’m sorry that it didn’t occur to you to redshirt your kid when you had the chance. But you need to own up to the fact that you didn’t do them any favors by sending them too young.

If it makes you feel any better, I made the same mistake with my November-born son. The hardest part for him was taking five years to graduate from college and watching all his friends graduate before him. If your kid hasn’t started college yet, I’d strongly consider having them do a gap year after high school. If they start college at 18 instead of 17, they’re sure to graduate in four years.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m sorry that it didn’t occur to you to redshirt your kid when you had the chance. But you need to own up to the fact that you didn’t do them any favors by sending them too young.

If it makes you feel any better, I made the same mistake with my November-born son. The hardest part for him was taking five years to graduate from college and watching all his friends graduate before him. If your kid hasn’t started college yet, I’d strongly consider having them do a gap year after high school. If they start college at 18 instead of 17, they’re sure to graduate in four years.

I am very much enjoying the trolling of the pro-redshirters in this thread. It’s really the only way to manage the crazy.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m sorry that it didn’t occur to you to redshirt your kid when you had the chance. But you need to own up to the fact that you didn’t do them any favors by sending them too young.

If it makes you feel any better, I made the same mistake with my November-born son. The hardest part for him was taking five years to graduate from college and watching all his friends graduate before him. If your kid hasn’t started college yet, I’d strongly consider having them do a gap year after high school. If they start college at 18 instead of 17, they’re sure to graduate in four years.

I am very much enjoying the trolling of the pro-redshirters in this thread. It’s really the only way to manage the crazy.

Sorry you think I’m trolling.

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Anonymous wrote:We held back or DS at pre-K. Applied for him to attend a school as either pre-k or k, and he was admitted for pre-k. We decided to take the offer as we loved the school and I liked the idea of his being home an extra year and his having his license to drive on the early side. He’s now a junior in college and all turned out well.

He’d have his license on the later side if he went on time. My young for the grade does not get their license till the end of junior year.

Wait, what? Did your child skip a grade? Or are you in NJ (only state with license at 17)? I have a true young-for-grade kid (late spring birthday, sent on time) and my kid could get a full license by late spring of sophomore year. I don’t understand how the bolded works.

No, in md you cannot get your license till 16.5. So, if you have a fall birthday that puts you in the spring. Do the math. Was your child held back?

I can see how a young for grade kid could not be eligible for a license until end of junior year but it would be a pretty unusual set of circumstances: a state with a late license age (16.5 or 17), a very late fall kindergarten cutoff, and a child born exactly at the cutoff.

If the PP in MD had a kid born Aug 30 (cutoff is Sept 1 in MD) and sent on time then that kid could get her license earliest March 1, age 16.5. So, not quite end of junior year as the PP said, but getting there.

My kid is currently a sophomore in HS. Young for grade, sent on time. Will turn 16 in late June, is currently 15. Our state is 16 for licenses so my kid will have a license this summer and all of junior year.

So, I think it is theoretically possible for a young for grade kid who is sent on time to not be DL-eligible until end of junior year, but it’s probably not a very common occurrence.

In MD you can test in through 10-15. Be accurate. Your child is not young for the grade. They are a normal age for a sophomore. My sophomore does not turn 16 till the fall. So, after April and that is basically the end of the year.

Testing in is unusual. So, your kid not belong eligible for a license until latest April 15 is indeed a rare situation.

Also it is so extremely odd that you believe all DCUM posters have the exact cutoff as MD. So weird.

Other schools in the area are 9/30 so September kids are on time. It’s not unusual at all for kids to test in or got to private k-1st and then transfer to public. Only rich families, it’s generally hold their kids back to get into the privates. The privates cannot handle age appropriate kids which speaks volumes of their schools. I don’t know any summer birthdays in public who were held back a year. Only kids I know held back had severe special needs and they did it to get into more private therapies.

June-August kids are not young for the grade and are supposed to be in that grade.

June-August ARE young for the grade. Some areas, especially those that start and end school early (done by Memorial Day) are moving to a 7/31 cutoff BTW. As our school years start earlier and earlier, you might see it here too.

+1. When I was growing up our cutoff bounced between July 1 and August 1.

It’s weird to think that just because the school district says September 30, that means that everyone before that date is the “right” age for their grade, no debate or questions.

It wasn’t around here. The point of grades is for age appropriate peer groups.

It wasn’t around here, no, but who cares? That’s not relevant to this discussion.

You seem to think that a kid who just turned 5 in August or September is somehow not age appropriate if they wait a year. But they are no further in age from the other kids in the grade than if they started “on time,” just on the older side now instead of the younger side previously.

If it’s before the cut off, no. They are over a year older than many kids.

Sigh. You seem unaware of how a calendar works.

If you have a kid who turns 5 on September 30 and that’s the cut off, they will be just as close in age to the kids in the “current” grade as the kids in next year’s grade. It’s just that now they will be among the oldest in the class, rather than the youngest. But the “distance” from their classmates is not different. If this kid waits a year and turns 6 on September 30, he will be closer in age to all of the kids turning 6 from October to March than he would have been had he gone a year earlier (where he would have been closer in age to the kids turning 6 from March-September). It’s not somehow age inappropriate.

Now the more you walk this date up, the more the kid becomes closer in age to the current class instead of the next year’s class. But it’s still not like there is some huge imbalance if the kid is born on September 1 or August 15 or the like.

I wonder how these kids without issues that stay back a year are kept from being bored.

In the early grades they get differentiated work sheets 1-2 grades ahead, or read a chapter books in the back of the class. In the later grades they go onto the advanced track with compacted math, Algebra in 7th grade etc. Afterwards they take a heavy load of AP and dual enrollment classes to be competitive for top colleges. Because they are more developed it’s more likely they’ll be team captain or president of the student body so they also win big in extracurriculars. There are countless ways the redshirted kids can challenge themselves and build impressive resumes to do exemplary well in school and life.

The on-time kids not so much. They forever lost the train because once you struggle in kindergarten things chain from there on, they’ll do bad year after year. Even if you try to save face and take a gap year, it’s too late. Colleges and employers won’t be impressed in the least.

Sorry that your child’s education is ruined, but you should have fought harder at kindergarten enrollment time. Why wouldn’t you do it if you knew for a fact it helps your child in so many ways? Maybe you didn’t care and only realized now what a huge mistake that was. Don’t blame us redshirting parents, blame yourself!

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Anonymous wrote:We held back or DS at pre-K. Applied for him to attend a school as either pre-k or k, and he was admitted for pre-k. We decided to take the offer as we loved the school and I liked the idea of his being home an extra year and his having his license to drive on the early side. He’s now a junior in college and all turned out well.

He’d have his license on the later side if he went on time. My young for the grade does not get their license till the end of junior year.

Wait, what? Did your child skip a grade? Or are you in NJ (only state with license at 17)? I have a true young-for-grade kid (late spring birthday, sent on time) and my kid could get a full license by late spring of sophomore year. I don’t understand how the bolded works.

No, in md you cannot get your license till 16.5. So, if you have a fall birthday that puts you in the spring. Do the math. Was your child held back?

I can see how a young for grade kid could not be eligible for a license until end of junior year but it would be a pretty unusual set of circumstances: a state with a late license age (16.5 or 17), a very late fall kindergarten cutoff, and a child born exactly at the cutoff.

If the PP in MD had a kid born Aug 30 (cutoff is Sept 1 in MD) and sent on time then that kid could get her license earliest March 1, age 16.5. So, not quite end of junior year as the PP said, but getting there.

My kid is currently a sophomore in HS. Young for grade, sent on time. Will turn 16 in late June, is currently 15. Our state is 16 for licenses so my kid will have a license this summer and all of junior year.

So, I think it is theoretically possible for a young for grade kid who is sent on time to not be DL-eligible until end of junior year, but it’s probably not a very common occurrence.

In MD you can test in through 10-15. Be accurate. Your child is not young for the grade. They are a normal age for a sophomore. My sophomore does not turn 16 till the fall. So, after April and that is basically the end of the year.

Testing in is unusual. So, your kid not belong eligible for a license until latest April 15 is indeed a rare situation.

Also it is so extremely odd that you believe all DCUM posters have the exact cutoff as MD. So weird.

Other schools in the area are 9/30 so September kids are on time. It’s not unusual at all for kids to test in or got to private k-1st and then transfer to public. Only rich families, it’s generally hold their kids back to get into the privates. The privates cannot handle age appropriate kids which speaks volumes of their schools. I don’t know any summer birthdays in public who were held back a year. Only kids I know held back had severe special needs and they did it to get into more private therapies.

June-August kids are not young for the grade and are supposed to be in that grade.

June-August ARE young for the grade. Some areas, especially those that start and end school early (done by Memorial Day) are moving to a 7/31 cutoff BTW. As our school years start earlier and earlier, you might see it here too.

+1. When I was growing up our cutoff bounced between July 1 and August 1.

It’s weird to think that just because the school district says September 30, that means that everyone before that date is the “right” age for their grade, no debate or questions.

It wasn’t around here. The point of grades is for age appropriate peer groups.

It wasn’t around here, no, but who cares? That’s not relevant to this discussion.

You seem to think that a kid who just turned 5 in August or September is somehow not age appropriate if they wait a year. But they are no further in age from the other kids in the grade than if they started “on time,” just on the older side now instead of the younger side previously.

If it’s before the cut off, no. They are over a year older than many kids.

Sigh. You seem unaware of how a calendar works.

If you have a kid who turns 5 on September 30 and that’s the cut off, they will be just as close in age to the kids in the “current” grade as the kids in next year’s grade. It’s just that now they will be among the oldest in the class, rather than the youngest. But the “distance” from their classmates is not different. If this kid waits a year and turns 6 on September 30, he will be closer in age to all of the kids turning 6 from October to March than he would have been had he gone a year earlier (where he would have been closer in age to the kids turning 6 from March-September). It’s not somehow age inappropriate.

Now the more you walk this date up, the more the kid becomes closer in age to the current class instead of the next year’s class. But it’s still not like there is some huge imbalance if the kid is born on September 1 or August 15 or the like.

I wonder how these kids without issues that stay back a year are kept from being bored.

In the early grades they get differentiated work sheets 1-2 grades ahead, or read a chapter books in the back of the class. In the later grades they go onto the advanced track with compacted math, Algebra in 7th grade etc. Afterwards they take a heavy load of AP and dual enrollment classes to be competitive for top colleges. Because they are more developed it’s more likely they’ll be team captain or president of the student body so they also win big in extracurriculars. There are countless ways the redshirted kids can challenge themselves and build impressive resumes to do exemplary well in school and life.

The on-time kids not so much. They forever lost the train because once you struggle in kindergarten things chain from there on, they’ll do bad year after year. Even if you try to save face and take a gap year, it’s too late. Colleges and employers won’t be impressed in the least.

Sorry that your child’s education is ruined, but you should have fought harder at kindergarten enrollment time. Why wouldn’t you do it if you knew for a fact it helps your child in so many ways? Maybe you didn’t care and only realized now what a huge mistake that was. Don’t blame us redshirting parents, blame yourself!

😂😂😂

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Anonymous wrote:We held back or DS at pre-K. Applied for him to attend a school as either pre-k or k, and he was admitted for pre-k. We decided to take the offer as we loved the school and I liked the idea of his being home an extra year and his having his license to drive on the early side. He’s now a junior in college and all turned out well.

He’d have his license on the later side if he went on time. My young for the grade does not get their license till the end of junior year.

Wait, what? Did your child skip a grade? Or are you in NJ (only state with license at 17)? I have a true young-for-grade kid (late spring birthday, sent on time) and my kid could get a full license by late spring of sophomore year. I don’t understand how the bolded works.

No, in md you cannot get your license till 16.5. So, if you have a fall birthday that puts you in the spring. Do the math. Was your child held back?

I can see how a young for grade kid could not be eligible for a license until end of junior year but it would be a pretty unusual set of circumstances: a state with a late license age (16.5 or 17), a very late fall kindergarten cutoff, and a child born exactly at the cutoff.

If the PP in MD had a kid born Aug 30 (cutoff is Sept 1 in MD) and sent on time then that kid could get her license earliest March 1, age 16.5. So, not quite end of junior year as the PP said, but getting there.

My kid is currently a sophomore in HS. Young for grade, sent on time. Will turn 16 in late June, is currently 15. Our state is 16 for licenses so my kid will have a license this summer and all of junior year.

So, I think it is theoretically possible for a young for grade kid who is sent on time to not be DL-eligible until end of junior year, but it’s probably not a very common occurrence.

In MD you can test in through 10-15. Be accurate. Your child is not young for the grade. They are a normal age for a sophomore. My sophomore does not turn 16 till the fall. So, after April and that is basically the end of the year.

Testing in is unusual. So, your kid not belong eligible for a license until latest April 15 is indeed a rare situation.

Also it is so extremely odd that you believe all DCUM posters have the exact cutoff as MD. So weird.

Other schools in the area are 9/30 so September kids are on time. It’s not unusual at all for kids to test in or got to private k-1st and then transfer to public. Only rich families, it’s generally hold their kids back to get into the privates. The privates cannot handle age appropriate kids which speaks volumes of their schools. I don’t know any summer birthdays in public who were held back a year. Only kids I know held back had severe special needs and they did it to get into more private therapies.

June-August kids are not young for the grade and are supposed to be in that grade.

June-August ARE young for the grade. Some areas, especially those that start and end school early (done by Memorial Day) are moving to a 7/31 cutoff BTW. As our school years start earlier and earlier, you might see it here too.

+1. When I was growing up our cutoff bounced between July 1 and August 1.

It’s weird to think that just because the school district says September 30, that means that everyone before that date is the “right” age for their grade, no debate or questions.

It wasn’t around here. The point of grades is for age appropriate peer groups.

It wasn’t around here, no, but who cares? That’s not relevant to this discussion.

You seem to think that a kid who just turned 5 in August or September is somehow not age appropriate if they wait a year. But they are no further in age from the other kids in the grade than if they started “on time,” just on the older side now instead of the younger side previously.

If it’s before the cut off, no. They are over a year older than many kids.

Sigh. You seem unaware of how a calendar works.

If you have a kid who turns 5 on September 30 and that’s the cut off, they will be just as close in age to the kids in the “current” grade as the kids in next year’s grade. It’s just that now they will be among the oldest in the class, rather than the youngest. But the “distance” from their classmates is not different. If this kid waits a year and turns 6 on September 30, he will be closer in age to all of the kids turning 6 from October to March than he would have been had he gone a year earlier (where he would have been closer in age to the kids turning 6 from March-September). It’s not somehow age inappropriate.

Now the more you walk this date up, the more the kid becomes closer in age to the current class instead of the next year’s class. But it’s still not like there is some huge imbalance if the kid is born on September 1 or August 15 or the like.

I wonder how these kids without issues that stay back a year are kept from being bored.

In the early grades they get differentiated work sheets 1-2 grades ahead, or read a chapter books in the back of the class. In the later grades they go onto the advanced track with compacted math, Algebra in 7th grade etc. Afterwards they take a heavy load of AP and dual enrollment classes to be competitive for top colleges. Because they are more developed it’s more likely they’ll be team captain or president of the student body so they also win big in extracurriculars. There are countless ways the redshirted kids can challenge themselves and build impressive resumes to do exemplary well in school and life.

The on-time kids not so much. They forever lost the train because once you struggle in kindergarten things chain from there on, they’ll do bad year after year. Even if you try to save face and take a gap year, it’s too late. Colleges and employers won’t be impressed in the least.

Sorry that your child’s education is ruined, but you should have fought harder at kindergarten enrollment time. Why wouldn’t you do it if you knew for a fact it helps your child in so many ways? Maybe you didn’t care and only realized now what a huge mistake that was. Don’t blame us redshirting parents, blame yourself!

😂😂😂

Former K teacher. Kids are all different. If you are redshirting because your child is still immature, that is one thing. (And, immature does not mean low IQ). If you are redshirting because it gives your child an "edge," I think you will be disappointed.

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Anonymous wrote:We held back or DS at pre-K. Applied for him to attend a school as either pre-k or k, and he was admitted for pre-k. We decided to take the offer as we loved the school and I liked the idea of his being home an extra year and his having his license to drive on the early side. He’s now a junior in college and all turned out well.

He’d have his license on the later side if he went on time. My young for the grade does not get their license till the end of junior year.

Wait, what? Did your child skip a grade? Or are you in NJ (only state with license at 17)? I have a true young-for-grade kid (late spring birthday, sent on time) and my kid could get a full license by late spring of sophomore year. I don’t understand how the bolded works.

No, in md you cannot get your license till 16.5. So, if you have a fall birthday that puts you in the spring. Do the math. Was your child held back?

I can see how a young for grade kid could not be eligible for a license until end of junior year but it would be a pretty unusual set of circumstances: a state with a late license age (16.5 or 17), a very late fall kindergarten cutoff, and a child born exactly at the cutoff.

If the PP in MD had a kid born Aug 30 (cutoff is Sept 1 in MD) and sent on time then that kid could get her license earliest March 1, age 16.5. So, not quite end of junior year as the PP said, but getting there.

My kid is currently a sophomore in HS. Young for grade, sent on time. Will turn 16 in late June, is currently 15. Our state is 16 for licenses so my kid will have a license this summer and all of junior year.

So, I think it is theoretically possible for a young for grade kid who is sent on time to not be DL-eligible until end of junior year, but it’s probably not a very common occurrence.

In MD you can test in through 10-15. Be accurate. Your child is not young for the grade. They are a normal age for a sophomore. My sophomore does not turn 16 till the fall. So, after April and that is basically the end of the year.

Testing in is unusual. So, your kid not belong eligible for a license until latest April 15 is indeed a rare situation.

Also it is so extremely odd that you believe all DCUM posters have the exact cutoff as MD. So weird.

Other schools in the area are 9/30 so September kids are on time. It’s not unusual at all for kids to test in or got to private k-1st and then transfer to public. Only rich families, it’s generally hold their kids back to get into the privates. The privates cannot handle age appropriate kids which speaks volumes of their schools. I don’t know any summer birthdays in public who were held back a year. Only kids I know held back had severe special needs and they did it to get into more private therapies.

June-August kids are not young for the grade and are supposed to be in that grade.

June-August ARE young for the grade. Some areas, especially those that start and end school early (done by Memorial Day) are moving to a 7/31 cutoff BTW. As our school years start earlier and earlier, you might see it here too.

+1. When I was growing up our cutoff bounced between July 1 and August 1.

It’s weird to think that just because the school district says September 30, that means that everyone before that date is the “right” age for their grade, no debate or questions.

It wasn’t around here. The point of grades is for age appropriate peer groups.

It wasn’t around here, no, but who cares? That’s not relevant to this discussion.

You seem to think that a kid who just turned 5 in August or September is somehow not age appropriate if they wait a year. But they are no further in age from the other kids in the grade than if they started “on time,” just on the older side now instead of the younger side previously.

If it’s before the cut off, no. They are over a year older than many kids.

Sigh. You seem unaware of how a calendar works.

If you have a kid who turns 5 on September 30 and that’s the cut off, they will be just as close in age to the kids in the “current” grade as the kids in next year’s grade. It’s just that now they will be among the oldest in the class, rather than the youngest. But the “distance” from their classmates is not different. If this kid waits a year and turns 6 on September 30, he will be closer in age to all of the kids turning 6 from October to March than he would have been had he gone a year earlier (where he would have been closer in age to the kids turning 6 from March-September). It’s not somehow age inappropriate.

Now the more you walk this date up, the more the kid becomes closer in age to the current class instead of the next year’s class. But it’s still not like there is some huge imbalance if the kid is born on September 1 or August 15 or the like.

I wonder how these kids without issues that stay back a year are kept from being bored.

In the early grades they get differentiated work sheets 1-2 grades ahead, or read a chapter books in the back of the class. In the later grades they go onto the advanced track with compacted math, Algebra in 7th grade etc. Afterwards they take a heavy load of AP and dual enrollment classes to be competitive for top colleges. Because they are more developed it’s more likely they’ll be team captain or president of the student body so they also win big in extracurriculars. There are countless ways the redshirted kids can challenge themselves and build impressive resumes to do exemplary well in school and life.

The on-time kids not so much. They forever lost the train because once you struggle in kindergarten things chain from there on, they’ll do bad year after year. Even if you try to save face and take a gap year, it’s too late. Colleges and employers won’t be impressed in the least.

Sorry that your child’s education is ruined, but you should have fought harder at kindergarten enrollment time. Why wouldn’t you do it if you knew for a fact it helps your child in so many ways? Maybe you didn’t care and only realized now what a huge mistake that was. Don’t blame us redshirting parents, blame yourself!

😂😂😂

Former K teacher. Kids are all different. If you are redshirting because your child is still immature, that is one thing. (And, immature does not mean low IQ). If you are redshirting because it gives your child an "edge," I think you will be disappointed.

What do you mean? It’s been repeatedly shown that older kids do better.