Anonymous wrote:We held back or DS at pre-K. Applied for him to attend a school as either pre-k or k, and he was admitted for pre-k. We decided to take the offer as we loved the school and I liked the idea of his being home an extra year and his having his license to drive on the early side. He’s now a junior in college and all turned out well.
He’d have his license on the later side if he went on time. My young for the grade does not get their license till the end of junior year.
Wait, what? Did your child skip a grade? Or are you in NJ (only state with license at 17)? I have a true young-for-grade kid (late spring birthday, sent on time) and my kid could get a full license by late spring of sophomore year. I don’t understand how the bolded works.
No, in md you cannot get your license till 16.5. So, if you have a fall birthday that puts you in the spring. Do the math. Was your child held back?
I can see how a young for grade kid could not be eligible for a license until end of junior year but it would be a pretty unusual set of circumstances: a state with a late license age (16.5 or 17), a very late fall kindergarten cutoff, and a child born exactly at the cutoff.
If the PP in MD had a kid born Aug 30 (cutoff is Sept 1 in MD) and sent on time then that kid could get her license earliest March 1, age 16.5. So, not quite end of junior year as the PP said, but getting there.
My kid is currently a sophomore in HS. Young for grade, sent on time. Will turn 16 in late June, is currently 15. Our state is 16 for licenses so my kid will have a license this summer and all of junior year.
So, I think it is theoretically possible for a young for grade kid who is sent on time to not be DL-eligible until end of junior year, but it’s probably not a very common occurrence.
In MD you can test in through 10-15. Be accurate. Your child is not young for the grade. They are a normal age for a sophomore. My sophomore does not turn 16 till the fall. So, after April and that is basically the end of the year.
Testing in is unusual. So, your kid not belong eligible for a license until latest April 15 is indeed a rare situation.
Also it is so extremely odd that you believe all DCUM posters have the exact cutoff as MD. So weird.
Other schools in the area are 9/30 so September kids are on time. It’s not unusual at all for kids to test in or got to private k-1st and then transfer to public. Only rich families, it’s generally hold their kids back to get into the privates. The privates cannot handle age appropriate kids which speaks volumes of their schools. I don’t know any summer birthdays in public who were held back a year. Only kids I know held back had severe special needs and they did it to get into more private therapies.
June-August kids are not young for the grade and are supposed to be in that grade.
June-August ARE young for the grade. Some areas, especially those that start and end school early (done by Memorial Day) are moving to a 7/31 cutoff BTW. As our school years start earlier and earlier, you might see it here too.
+1. When I was growing up our cutoff bounced between July 1 and August 1.
It’s weird to think that just because the school district says September 30, that means that everyone before that date is the “right” age for their grade, no debate or questions.
It wasn’t around here. The point of grades is for age appropriate peer groups.
It wasn’t around here, no, but who cares? That’s not relevant to this discussion.
You seem to think that a kid who just turned 5 in August or September is somehow not age appropriate if they wait a year. But they are no further in age from the other kids in the grade than if they started “on time,” just on the older side now instead of the younger side previously.
If it’s before the cut off, no. They are over a year older than many kids.
Sigh. You seem unaware of how a calendar works.
If you have a kid who turns 5 on September 30 and that’s the cut off, they will be just as close in age to the kids in the “current” grade as the kids in next year’s grade. It’s just that now they will be among the oldest in the class, rather than the youngest. But the “distance” from their classmates is not different. If this kid waits a year and turns 6 on September 30, he will be closer in age to all of the kids turning 6 from October to March than he would have been had he gone a year earlier (where he would have been closer in age to the kids turning 6 from March-September). It’s not somehow age inappropriate.
Now the more you walk this date up, the more the kid becomes closer in age to the current class instead of the next year’s class. But it’s still not like there is some huge imbalance if the kid is born on September 1 or August 15 or the like.
I wonder how these kids without issues that stay back a year are kept from being bored.
In the early grades they get differentiated work sheets 1-2 grades ahead, or read a chapter books in the back of the class. In the later grades they go onto the advanced track with compacted math, Algebra in 7th grade etc. Afterwards they take a heavy load of AP and dual enrollment classes to be competitive for top colleges. Because they are more developed it’s more likely they’ll be team captain or president of the student body so they also win big in extracurriculars. There are countless ways the redshirted kids can challenge themselves and build impressive resumes to do exemplary well in school and life.
The on-time kids not so much. They forever lost the train because once you struggle in kindergarten things chain from there on, they’ll do bad year after year. Even if you try to save face and take a gap year, it’s too late. Colleges and employers won’t be impressed in the least.
Sorry that your child’s education is ruined, but you should have fought harder at kindergarten enrollment time. Why wouldn’t you do it if you knew for a fact it helps your child in so many ways? Maybe you didn’t care and only realized now what a huge mistake that was. Don’t blame us redshirting parents, blame yourself!
My bright young for the grade started algebra in 6th, calc bc in 10th. So, if yours age wise is a grade behind and starting algebra in 7th, what’s going on as they are really behind academically. They should be doing better, not worse.
Then there’s no problem here, your kid is doing amazing, redshirted kids are doing amazing too. Yet you still come back to complain how unfair it is for kids to be held back.
If they are doing amazing they did not need to be held back. They are academically preforming a year below their age and grade. That’s not amazing.
Doing amazing academically is based on grade standards, not age. Look up MAP testing norms, or any other test result. It’s based on mastery of the material kids were taught by grade not when they were born. Nobody puts their birthdate on the SAT results, college degree diploma or even CV.
It’s possible those kids would have done much worse if not held back, and redshirting really helped them. That’s a good thing, we want all children to succeed and be their best.
Some redshirted kid is 99 percentile in math, but in your view that’s not amazing because he was held back. Great, literally nobody cares about what you think. Everyone else, including teachers, peers, colleges will think the kid is brilliant. You must know that’s true, right?
So, you are holding back just in case they do worse when you have no idea who they’d do! That sounds selfish. They are not truly in the 99% if they are a year or two older than their peers.
Nobody redshirts just in case and also nobody cares what you personally think is “truly 99%”.
Anonymous wrote:We had a late summer birthday kid who started kindergarten at barely five and graduated HS at 17. Will graduate with a four-year degree at 21. Kid is doing fantastic at college in part because kid had to work a little harder in grade school to comport and keep up. Nothing was a gimme. Over time, kid began to keep pace with, and then outperform, the redshirted kids. Being the youngest in class gave our kid a very strong work ethic and a fighting spirit. Kid never gives up.
I can’t believe that is so unusual. My oldest now in college had a cutoff date of December 31 (Massachusetts) and the kids routinely went to kindergarten at 4 years old. Her two best friends in preschool had December birthdays and went to kindergarten. Her birthday is February so she was eligible the next year. She had plenty of friends through the years with birthdays in September through December, mostly girls, boys stayed back for maturity reasons. July and August birthdays weren’t even discussed.
There is no way anyone could tell who was born when.
Anonymous wrote:We had a late summer birthday kid who started kindergarten at barely five and graduated HS at 17. Will graduate with a four-year degree at 21. Kid is doing fantastic at college in part because kid had to work a little harder in grade school to comport and keep up. Nothing was a gimme. Over time, kid began to keep pace with, and then outperform, the redshirted kids. Being the youngest in class gave our kid a very strong work ethic and a fighting spirit. Kid never gives up.
I can’t believe that is so unusual. My oldest now in college had a cutoff date of December 31 (Massachusetts) and the kids routinely went to kindergarten at 4 years old. Her two best friends in preschool had December birthdays and went to kindergarten. Her birthday is February so she was eligible the next year. She had plenty of friends through the years with birthdays in September through December, mostly girls, boys stayed back for maturity reasons. July and August birthdays weren’t even discussed.
There is no way anyone could tell who was born when.
Anonymous wrote:We had a late summer birthday kid who started kindergarten at barely five and graduated HS at 17. Will graduate with a four-year degree at 21. Kid is doing fantastic at college in part because kid had to work a little harder in grade school to comport and keep up. Nothing was a gimme. Over time, kid began to keep pace with, and then outperform, the redshirted kids. Being the youngest in class gave our kid a very strong work ethic and a fighting spirit. Kid never gives up.
I can’t believe that is so unusual. My oldest now in college had a cutoff date of December 31 (Massachusetts) and the kids routinely went to kindergarten at 4 years old. Her two best friends in preschool had December birthdays and went to kindergarten. Her birthday is February so she was eligible the next year. She had plenty of friends through the years with birthdays in September through December, mostly girls, boys stayed back for maturity reasons. July and August birthdays weren’t even discussed.
There is no way anyone could tell who was born when.
Kids Knie birthdays. Be real.
I wasn’t talking about kids. They don’t care when their friends birthdays are.
Anonymous wrote:We decided to redshirt our May birthday son who just turned 7 while in kindergarten. He is the biggest and fastest in his class and we are so proud.
I doubt this but that would be super awkward. Big Dufus.
Anonymous wrote:We decided to redshirt our May birthday son who just turned 7 while in kindergarten. He is the biggest and fastest in his class and we are so proud.
So it wasn’t good enough for you that he was already going to be on the older half? You needed him to be at least eight months older than the second-oldest kid?
Anonymous wrote:We decided to redshirt our May birthday son who just turned 7 while in kindergarten. He is the biggest and fastest in his class and we are so proud.
Anonymous wrote:We decided to redshirt our May birthday son who just turned 7 while in kindergarten. He is the biggest and fastest in his class and we are so proud.
Excellent trolling. My hat is off to you.
Sock puppeting is not trolling, it’s just dumb and sad at the same time, the hallmark of antiredshirters.
Anonymous wrote:We had a late summer birthday kid who started kindergarten at barely five and graduated HS at 17. Will graduate with a four-year degree at 21. Kid is doing fantastic at college in part because kid had to work a little harder in grade school to comport and keep up. Nothing was a gimme. Over time, kid began to keep pace with, and then outperform, the redshirted kids. Being the youngest in class gave our kid a very strong work ethic and a fighting spirit. Kid never gives up.
I can’t believe that is so unusual. My oldest now in college had a cutoff date of December 31 (Massachusetts) and the kids routinely went to kindergarten at 4 years old. Her two best friends in preschool had December birthdays and went to kindergarten. Her birthday is February so she was eligible the next year. She had plenty of friends through the years with birthdays in September through December, mostly girls, boys stayed back for maturity reasons. July and August birthdays weren’t even discussed.
There is no way anyone could tell who was born when.
Kids born right before the cutoff -- the youngest for their grade -- are diagnosed with adhd 30% more than those born right after the cutoff, and that's with some of the most flamingly adhd ones redshirted. So I think that sometimes, people can tell.
Anonymous wrote:We decided to redshirt our May birthday son who just turned 7 while in kindergarten. He is the biggest and fastest in his class and we are so proud.
I doubt this but that would be super awkward. Big Dufus.
While I agree that it’s insane to redshirt a kid with a May birthday(as they’re already set to be on the older half) I highly doubt he had a say in whether or not he was redshirted. So it’s really not fair for you to insult him.
Anonymous wrote:We had a late summer birthday kid who started kindergarten at barely five and graduated HS at 17. Will graduate with a four-year degree at 21. Kid is doing fantastic at college in part because kid had to work a little harder in grade school to comport and keep up. Nothing was a gimme. Over time, kid began to keep pace with, and then outperform, the redshirted kids. Being the youngest in class gave our kid a very strong work ethic and a fighting spirit. Kid never gives up.
I can’t believe that is so unusual. My oldest now in college had a cutoff date of December 31 (Massachusetts) and the kids routinely went to kindergarten at 4 years old. Her two best friends in preschool had December birthdays and went to kindergarten. Her birthday is February so she was eligible the next year. She had plenty of friends through the years with birthdays in September through December, mostly girls, boys stayed back for maturity reasons. July and August birthdays weren’t even discussed.
There is no way anyone could tell who was born when.
Kids born right before the cutoff -- the youngest for their grade -- are diagnosed with adhd 30% more than those born right after the cutoff, and that's with some of the most flamingly adhd ones redshirted. So I think that sometimes, people can tell.
That doesn’t even make sense. Whatever the date is there will be the youngest in the grade. There will always be a group of kids who are the youngest kids in a class, no way around it, whether they were born in April, May, July, September or November.
ADHD has a large genetic component. It runs in families much like other forms of neurological disorders. This is an overly misdiagnosed disorder pushed by parents and teachers.
According to the National Library of Medicine, people with ADHD are at risk for a wide range of functional impairments: school failure, peer rejection, injuries due to accidents, criminal behavior, occupational failure, divorce, suicide, and premature death.
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6477889/
Anonymous wrote:We decided to redshirt our May birthday son who just turned 7 while in kindergarten. He is the biggest and fastest in his class and we are so proud.
I doubt this but that would be super awkward. Big Dufus.
While I agree that it’s insane to redshirt a kid with a May birthday(as they’re already set to be on the older half) I highly doubt he had a say in whether or not he was redshirted. So it’s really not fair for you to insult him.
Ok, it’s not an insult to a real person. A kid two years older will stand out until puberty when the other kids have growth spurts and end up taller and faster.
Anonymous wrote:We decided to redshirt our May birthday son who just turned 7 while in kindergarten. He is the biggest and fastest in his class and we are so proud.
I doubt this but that would be super awkward. Big Dufus.
While I agree that it’s insane to redshirt a kid with a May birthday(as they’re already set to be on the older half) I highly doubt he had a say in whether or not he was redshirted. So it’s really not fair for you to insult him.
DP, but pretty sure they were the parent a “big dufus”, not the child.
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