Biden commutes all but 3 federal death sentences

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t know why he had to do this right before Christmas. All these poor families probably struggle with the holidays every single year and he just pour hot fresh pain into their hearts. He is such a scumbag. Such a morally bankrupt horrible man. Literally the complete opposite of the facade he pushed. Just a terrible man.

I know, I was thinking the same thing. No matter what you think about this, why couldn’t he have waited until after the holidays. The timing seems exceptionally cruel, almost deliberately so. It’s as if he hates the families of the victims and wants them to suffer.

You have a distorted perspective. These people are still going to live out their days and die in prison. They just won’t be killed by the government. It’s really nothing to get worked up about.

It is absolutely cruel to make the families of the victims deal with this right before the holidays. Biden could have waited until January and did not. He forced those poor families to have to grapple with this just before the holidays. It is grotesquely cruel behavior from Biden.

I can tell this will come as a surprise to you, but not everyone thinks it’s ok for the government to murder people. Even families of victims disagree on this. You have no idea what they believe or how they feel. Life without parole instead of death at the hands of the government is still a life sentence of hell on earth. Some would argue that it’s worse. They are not getting away with anything or being told what they did is ok.

Biden has been a devout Catholic his whole life. Many would argue that Christmas is exactly the time that someone would choose to stop more death.

All of that can be true and it’s still phenomenally cruel to do this a few days before Christmas. It is truly shocking behavior.

And if Biden is doing it because he feels his own feelings on Christmas are most important, that just demonstrates just how cruel and self-absorbed he is.

I’m actually opposed to the death penalty and I find this astonishingly cruel from Biden and the Democrats.

Why should any one decide a human being should be put to death? These criminals are not being pardoned. They will die in prison.

I’m against the death penalty. But even I can see that how this was done (no advance warning the victims’ families, done days before Christmas/New Year, inconsistently applied) is horrific and cruel. There just isn’t another word for it. It’s cruel.

I think Biden is trying to destroy the entire Democratic Party on his way out. Nobody with any heart can support what Biden did here, especially when combined with the other terrible clemency orders (cash for kids judge, lady who stole $55m from a town for her horse ranch, etc). This is all immoral at this point.

He’s doing en masse pardons based on certain criteria. Quit personalizing it.

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Far-left activists called for mass pardons/commutations, so Biden’s handlers jumped to fulfill their wishes. This move is pretty much par for the course for Democrats. They spend all their time worrying about being “humane” to criminals and illegal immigrants, and give the middle finger to law abiding Americans.

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Anonymous wrote:Death penalty costs taxpayers more than life w/o parole. Biden saved us money AND did the civilized thing. Win, win.

Just going to ignore that the death penalty is expensive because death penalty opponents make it so?

If the goal is to make things cheaper then we could start with all the resources put into defending horrendous criminals who already received due process.

Every legal mechanism should be available in death penalty cases. If there is a mistake at any step you can’t just undo it. So yeah I fully support legal challenges.

And being provided a defense is a constitutional right.

At trial. And to meet rather low due process standards on appeal. Nothing actually requires the decades of legal process before execution. Again - look at Texas.

Texas has exonerated 50 people on death row.

Also - do any of those whose sentences were commuted claim to be legally and factually innocent - worthy of exoneration?

Commuted and exonerated are two different things.

Yes, big people are justifying Biden’s (or who ever is actually acting as President’s) actions by straw men arguments about court processes and innocent people being put to death. These 37 men are all guilty murderers.

And they will all still be in prison until they die. The only difference is that the government won’t commit a planned murder now too. Is murder wrong or not?

Agree - state sanctioned murder it citizens is plain wrong.

It is also very expensive (>$1m per death row inmate) as there are usually 10-20 years of exhausting legal appeals before they are executed and it does not deter violent crime.

Of course it deters crime. No one killed via the death penalty killed again.

No it doesn’t deter violent crime

https://www.amnesty.org/en/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/act500062008en.pdf
https://deathpenaltyinfo.org/resources/podcasts/discussions-with-dpic/discussions-with-dpic-does-capital-punishment-deter-murder-exploring-murder-rates-killings-of-police-officers-and-the-death-penalty

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Anonymous wrote:Far-left activists called for mass pardons/commutations, so Biden’s handlers jumped to fulfill their wishes. This move is pretty much par for the course for Democrats. They spend all their time worrying about being “humane” to criminals and illegal immigrants, and give the middle finger to law abiding Americans.

“Nationalism is the last refuge of scoundrels.” — Winston Churchill

Problem with your theory - migrants have lower rates of crime than other Americans . Don’t let inconvenient facts get in your way.

National studies
Studies have found that immigrants of all legal statuses commit crimes at lower rates than U.S.-born citizens.

Undocumented immigrants
Undocumented immigrants have lower rates of offending for all types of violent and property crimes, including assault, sexual assault, robbery, burglary, theft, and arson. They are also less than half as likely to be arrested for drug offenses as U.S.-born citizens.

Incarceration rates
Immigrants have consistently had lower incarceration rates than U.S.-born individuals for 150 years.

Homicide conviction rates
Legal immigrants have the lowest homicide conviction rate, while illegal immigrants have a homicide conviction rate that is 15% below the native-born rate.

Crime rate trends
The national total crime rate dropped from 2,758 per 100,000 people to 2,335 per 100,000 people between 2017 and 2022, while the immigrant population grew by 1.7 million people.

Immigrants have been falsely accused of bringing crime into the United States, particularly during times of economic or political unease. However, research shows that welcoming immigrants into American communities can strengthen public safety

https://nij.ojp.gov/topics/articles/undocumented-immigrant-offending-rate-lower-us-born-citizen-rate#:~:text=Every%20other%20violent%20and%20property,to%20constant%20throughout%20the%20period.
https://news.northwestern.edu/stories/2024/03/immigrants-are-significantly-less-likely-to-commit-crimes-than-the-us-born/#:~:text=The%20study%20co%2Dauthors%20are,Insights%20at%20a%20later%20date.

https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org/research/debunking-myth-immigrants-and-crime#:~:text=However%2C%20a%20robust%20body%20of%20research%20shows,likely%20to%20commit%20crimes%20than%20the%20U.S.%2Dborn.

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Anonymous wrote:Death penalty costs taxpayers more than life w/o parole. Biden saved us money AND did the civilized thing. Win, win.

Just going to ignore that the death penalty is expensive because death penalty opponents make it so?

If the goal is to make things cheaper then we could start with all the resources put into defending horrendous criminals who already received due process.

Every legal mechanism should be available in death penalty cases. If there is a mistake at any step you can’t just undo it. So yeah I fully support legal challenges.

And being provided a defense is a constitutional right.

At trial. And to meet rather low due process standards on appeal. Nothing actually requires the decades of legal process before execution. Again - look at Texas.

Texas has exonerated 50 people on death row.

Also - do any of those whose sentences were commuted claim to be legally and factually innocent - worthy of exoneration?

Commuted and exonerated are two different things.

Yes, big people are justifying Biden’s (or who ever is actually acting as President’s) actions by straw men arguments about court processes and innocent people being put to death. These 37 men are all guilty murderers.

And they will all still be in prison until they die. The only difference is that the government won’t commit a planned murder now too. Is murder wrong or not?

Agree - state sanctioned murder it citizens is plain wrong.

It is also very expensive (>$1m per death row inmate) as there are usually 10-20 years of exhausting legal appeals before they are executed and it does not deter violent crime.

Of course it deters crime. No one killed via the death penalty killed again.

No it doesn’t deter violent crime

https://www.amnesty.org/en/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/act500062008en.pdf
https://deathpenaltyinfo.org/resources/podcasts/discussions-with-dpic/discussions-with-dpic-does-capital-punishment-deter-murder-exploring-murder-rates-killings-of-police-officers-and-the-death-penalty

DP.

Pretty sure that executed criminals can no longer commit violent crime.

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Anonymous wrote:Death penalty costs taxpayers more than life w/o parole. Biden saved us money AND did the civilized thing. Win, win.

Just going to ignore that the death penalty is expensive because death penalty opponents make it so?

If the goal is to make things cheaper then we could start with all the resources put into defending horrendous criminals who already received due process.

Every legal mechanism should be available in death penalty cases. If there is a mistake at any step you can’t just undo it. So yeah I fully support legal challenges.

And being provided a defense is a constitutional right.

At trial. And to meet rather low due process standards on appeal. Nothing actually requires the decades of legal process before execution. Again - look at Texas.

Texas has exonerated 50 people on death row.

Also - do any of those whose sentences were commuted claim to be legally and factually innocent - worthy of exoneration?

Commuted and exonerated are two different things.

Yes, big people are justifying Biden’s (or who ever is actually acting as President’s) actions by straw men arguments about court processes and innocent people being put to death. These 37 men are all guilty murderers.

And they will all still be in prison until they die. The only difference is that the government won’t commit a planned murder now too. Is murder wrong or not?

Agree - state sanctioned murder it citizens is plain wrong.

It is also very expensive (>$1m per death row inmate) as there are usually 10-20 years of exhausting legal appeals before they are executed and it does not deter violent crime.

Of course it deters crime. No one killed via the death penalty killed again.

No it doesn’t deter violent crime

https://www.amnesty.org/en/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/act500062008en.pdf
https://deathpenaltyinfo.org/resources/podcasts/discussions-with-dpic/discussions-with-dpic-does-capital-punishment-deter-murder-exploring-murder-rates-killings-of-police-officers-and-the-death-penalty

lol at amnesty international. Come on now. Find me someone executed who killed again.

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Anonymous wrote:Death penalty costs taxpayers more than life w/o parole. Biden saved us money AND did the civilized thing. Win, win.

Just going to ignore that the death penalty is expensive because death penalty opponents make it so?

If the goal is to make things cheaper then we could start with all the resources put into defending horrendous criminals who already received due process.

Every legal mechanism should be available in death penalty cases. If there is a mistake at any step you can’t just undo it. So yeah I fully support legal challenges.

And being provided a defense is a constitutional right.

At trial. And to meet rather low due process standards on appeal. Nothing actually requires the decades of legal process before execution. Again - look at Texas.

Texas has exonerated 50 people on death row.

Also - do any of those whose sentences were commuted claim to be legally and factually innocent - worthy of exoneration?

Commuted and exonerated are two different things.

Yes, big people are justifying Biden’s (or who ever is actually acting as President’s) actions by straw men arguments about court processes and innocent people being put to death. These 37 men are all guilty murderers.

And they will all still be in prison until they die. The only difference is that the government won’t commit a planned murder now too. Is murder wrong or not?

The death penalty is an extension of the principle of self defense as applied to society at large and most Americans agree with our use of it and its morality. It is a killing but it is not murder. Now the families have to stress that another president could come along and allow for their release. Maybe another president will not agree with the morality of life in prison. It’s not Biden’s place to prioritize his personal morality about the death penalty over that of the American people and its courts.

Actually, that’s exactly what the presidential
pardons are about.

Wrong.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t know why he had to do this right before Christmas. All these poor families probably struggle with the holidays every single year and he just pour hot fresh pain into their hearts. He is such a scumbag. Such a morally bankrupt horrible man. Literally the complete opposite of the facade he pushed. Just a terrible man.

I know, I was thinking the same thing. No matter what you think about this, why couldn’t he have waited until after the holidays. The timing seems exceptionally cruel, almost deliberately so. It’s as if he hates the families of the victims and wants them to suffer.

You have a distorted perspective. These people are still going to live out their days and die in prison. They just won’t be killed by the government. It’s really nothing to get worked up about.

It is absolutely cruel to make the families of the victims deal with this right before the holidays. Biden could have waited until January and did not. He forced those poor families to have to grapple with this just before the holidays. It is grotesquely cruel behavior from Biden.

I can tell this will come as a surprise to you, but not everyone thinks it’s ok for the government to murder people. Even families of victims disagree on this. You have no idea what they believe or how they feel. Life without parole instead of death at the hands of the government is still a life sentence of hell on earth. Some would argue that it’s worse. They are not getting away with anything or being told what they did is ok.

Biden has been a devout Catholic his whole life. Many would argue that Christmas is exactly the time that someone would choose to stop more death.

All of that can be true and it’s still phenomenally cruel to do this a few days before Christmas. It is truly shocking behavior.

And if Biden is doing it because he feels his own feelings on Christmas are most important, that just demonstrates just how cruel and self-absorbed he is.

I’m actually opposed to the death penalty and I find this astonishingly cruel from Biden and the Democrats.

Why should any one decide a human being should be put to death? These criminals are not being pardoned. They will die in prison.

Or a president or governor could commute their sentence and release them.

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Anonymous wrote:Far-left activists called for mass pardons/commutations, so Biden’s handlers jumped to fulfill their wishes. This move is pretty much par for the course for Democrats. They spend all their time worrying about being “humane” to criminals and illegal immigrants, and give the middle finger to law abiding Americans.

“Nationalism is the last refuge of scoundrels.” — Winston Churchill

Problem with your theory - migrants have lower rates of crime than other Americans . Don’t let inconvenient facts get in your way.

National studies
Studies have found that immigrants of all legal statuses commit crimes at lower rates than U.S.-born citizens.

Undocumented immigrants
Undocumented immigrants have lower rates of offending for all types of violent and property crimes, including assault, sexual assault, robbery, burglary, theft, and arson. They are also less than half as likely to be arrested for drug offenses as U.S.-born citizens.

Incarceration rates
Immigrants have consistently had lower incarceration rates than U.S.-born individuals for 150 years.

Homicide conviction rates
Legal immigrants have the lowest homicide conviction rate, while illegal immigrants have a homicide conviction rate that is 15% below the native-born rate.

Crime rate trends
The national total crime rate dropped from 2,758 per 100,000 people to 2,335 per 100,000 people between 2017 and 2022, while the immigrant population grew by 1.7 million people.

Immigrants have been falsely accused of bringing crime into the United States, particularly during times of economic or political unease. However, research shows that welcoming immigrants into American communities can strengthen public safety

https://nij.ojp.gov/topics/articles/undocumented-immigrant-offending-rate-lower-us-born-citizen-rate#:~:text=Every%20other%20violent%20and%20property,to%20constant%20throughout%20the%20period.
https://news.northwestern.edu/stories/2024/03/immigrants-are-significantly-less-likely-to-commit-crimes-than-the-us-born/#:~:text=The%20study%20co%2Dauthors%20are,Insights%20at%20a%20later%20date.

https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org/research/debunking-myth-immigrants-and-crime#:~:text=However%2C%20a%20robust%20body%20of%20research%20shows,likely%20to%20commit%20crimes%20than%20the%20U.S.%2Dborn.

Every single point of yours is debatable.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t know why he had to do this right before Christmas. All these poor families probably struggle with the holidays every single year and he just pour hot fresh pain into their hearts. He is such a scumbag. Such a morally bankrupt horrible man. Literally the complete opposite of the facade he pushed. Just a terrible man.

I know, I was thinking the same thing. No matter what you think about this, why couldn’t he have waited until after the holidays. The timing seems exceptionally cruel, almost deliberately so. It’s as if he hates the families of the victims and wants them to suffer.

You have a distorted perspective. These people are still going to live out their days and die in prison. They just won’t be killed by the government. It’s really nothing to get worked up about.

It is absolutely cruel to make the families of the victims deal with this right before the holidays. Biden could have waited until January and did not. He forced those poor families to have to grapple with this just before the holidays. It is grotesquely cruel behavior from Biden.

I can tell this will come as a surprise to you, but not everyone thinks it’s ok for the government to murder people. Even families of victims disagree on this. You have no idea what they believe or how they feel. Life without parole instead of death at the hands of the government is still a life sentence of hell on earth. Some would argue that it’s worse. They are not getting away with anything or being told what they did is ok.

Biden has been a devout Catholic his whole life. Many would argue that Christmas is exactly the time that someone would choose to stop more death.

All of that can be true and it’s still phenomenally cruel to do this a few days before Christmas. It is truly shocking behavior.

And if Biden is doing it because he feels his own feelings on Christmas are most important, that just demonstrates just how cruel and self-absorbed he is.

I’m actually opposed to the death penalty and I find this astonishingly cruel from Biden and the Democrats.

Why do you assume people will feel victimized because the criminal gets life without parole instead of murdered by the government? Some of them might be opposed to the death penalty too.

Because some of them have said so. I believe the victims. Do you think you know better?

I can’t get over how mean this was. It’s exceptionally cruel.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t know why he had to do this right before Christmas. All these poor families probably struggle with the holidays every single year and he just pour hot fresh pain into their hearts. He is such a scumbag. Such a morally bankrupt horrible man. Literally the complete opposite of the facade he pushed. Just a terrible man.

I know, I was thinking the same thing. No matter what you think about this, why couldn’t he have waited until after the holidays. The timing seems exceptionally cruel, almost deliberately so. It’s as if he hates the families of the victims and wants them to suffer.

You have a distorted perspective. These people are still going to live out their days and die in prison. They just won’t be killed by the government. It’s really nothing to get worked up about.

It is absolutely cruel to make the families of the victims deal with this right before the holidays. Biden could have waited until January and did not. He forced those poor families to have to grapple with this just before the holidays. It is grotesquely cruel behavior from Biden.

I can tell this will come as a surprise to you, but not everyone thinks it’s ok for the government to murder people. Even families of victims disagree on this. You have no idea what they believe or how they feel. Life without parole instead of death at the hands of the government is still a life sentence of hell on earth. Some would argue that it’s worse. They are not getting away with anything or being told what they did is ok.

Biden has been a devout Catholic his whole life. Many would argue that Christmas is exactly the time that someone would choose to stop more death.

All of that can be true and it’s still phenomenally cruel to do this a few days before Christmas. It is truly shocking behavior.

And if Biden is doing it because he feels his own feelings on Christmas are most important, that just demonstrates just how cruel and self-absorbed he is.

I’m actually opposed to the death penalty and I find this astonishingly cruel from Biden and the Democrats.

Why do you assume people will feel victimized because the criminal gets life without parole instead of murdered by the government? Some of them might be opposed to the death penalty too.

Because some of them have said so. I believe the victims. Do you think you know better?

I can’t get over how mean this was. It’s exceptionally cruel.

Cruel to decide not to execute someone? instead they will die in prison. Stop acting like they were pardoned.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t know why he had to do this right before Christmas. All these poor families probably struggle with the holidays every single year and he just pour hot fresh pain into their hearts. He is such a scumbag. Such a morally bankrupt horrible man. Literally the complete opposite of the facade he pushed. Just a terrible man.

I know, I was thinking the same thing. No matter what you think about this, why couldn’t he have waited until after the holidays. The timing seems exceptionally cruel, almost deliberately so. It’s as if he hates the families of the victims and wants them to suffer.

You have a distorted perspective. These people are still going to live out their days and die in prison. They just won’t be killed by the government. It’s really nothing to get worked up about.

It is absolutely cruel to make the families of the victims deal with this right before the holidays. Biden could have waited until January and did not. He forced those poor families to have to grapple with this just before the holidays. It is grotesquely cruel behavior from Biden.

I can tell this will come as a surprise to you, but not everyone thinks it’s ok for the government to murder people. Even families of victims disagree on this. You have no idea what they believe or how they feel. Life without parole instead of death at the hands of the government is still a life sentence of hell on earth. Some would argue that it’s worse. They are not getting away with anything or being told what they did is ok.

Biden has been a devout Catholic his whole life. Many would argue that Christmas is exactly the time that someone would choose to stop more death.

All of that can be true and it’s still phenomenally cruel to do this a few days before Christmas. It is truly shocking behavior.

And if Biden is doing it because he feels his own feelings on Christmas are most important, that just demonstrates just how cruel and self-absorbed he is.

I’m actually opposed to the death penalty and I find this astonishingly cruel from Biden and the Democrats.

Why should any one decide a human being should be put to death? These criminals are not being pardoned. They will die in prison.

I’m against the death penalty. But even I can see that how this was done (no advance warning the victims’ families, done days before Christmas/New Year, inconsistently applied) is horrific and cruel. There just isn’t another word for it. It’s cruel.

I think Biden is trying to destroy the entire Democratic Party on his way out. Nobody with any heart can support what Biden did here, especially when combined with the other terrible clemency orders (cash for kids judge, lady who stole $55m from a town for her horse ranch, etc). This is all immoral at this point.

He’s doing en masse pardons based on certain criteria. Quit personalizing it.

Yeah, and he could have waited until after the holidays so the families of the victims wouldn’t have so horribly blindsided.

But the Democrats have never cared about crime victims, so why would Biden even think about how his actions might feel to the families of the victims? Of course he doesn’t care.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t know why he had to do this right before Christmas. All these poor families probably struggle with the holidays every single year and he just pour hot fresh pain into their hearts. He is such a scumbag. Such a morally bankrupt horrible man. Literally the complete opposite of the facade he pushed. Just a terrible man.

I know, I was thinking the same thing. No matter what you think about this, why couldn’t he have waited until after the holidays. The timing seems exceptionally cruel, almost deliberately so. It’s as if he hates the families of the victims and wants them to suffer.

You have a distorted perspective. These people are still going to live out their days and die in prison. They just won’t be killed by the government. It’s really nothing to get worked up about.

It is absolutely cruel to make the families of the victims deal with this right before the holidays. Biden could have waited until January and did not. He forced those poor families to have to grapple with this just before the holidays. It is grotesquely cruel behavior from Biden.

I can tell this will come as a surprise to you, but not everyone thinks it’s ok for the government to murder people. Even families of victims disagree on this. You have no idea what they believe or how they feel. Life without parole instead of death at the hands of the government is still a life sentence of hell on earth. Some would argue that it’s worse. They are not getting away with anything or being told what they did is ok.

Biden has been a devout Catholic his whole life. Many would argue that Christmas is exactly the time that someone would choose to stop more death.

All of that can be true and it’s still phenomenally cruel to do this a few days before Christmas. It is truly shocking behavior.

And if Biden is doing it because he feels his own feelings on Christmas are most important, that just demonstrates just how cruel and self-absorbed he is.

I’m actually opposed to the death penalty and I find this astonishingly cruel from Biden and the Democrats.

Why should any one decide a human being should be put to death? These criminals are not being pardoned. They will die in prison.

I’m against the death penalty. But even I can see that how this was done (no advance warning the victims’ families, done days before Christmas/New Year, inconsistently applied) is horrific and cruel. There just isn’t another word for it. It’s cruel.

I think Biden is trying to destroy the entire Democratic Party on his way out. Nobody with any heart can support what Biden did here, especially when combined with the other terrible clemency orders (cash for kids judge, lady who stole $55m from a town for her horse ranch, etc). This is all immoral at this point.

He’s doing en masse pardons based on certain criteria. Quit personalizing it.

Yeah, and he could have waited until after the holidays so the families of the victims wouldn’t have so horribly blindsided.

But the Democrats have never cared about crime victims, so why would Biden even think about how his actions might feel to the families of the victims? Of course he doesn’t care.

is that a joke? Children have been gunned down in their classrooms and all the Rs say is thoughts and prayers. How dare you even go there. Such audacity.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t know why he had to do this right before Christmas. All these poor families probably struggle with the holidays every single year and he just pour hot fresh pain into their hearts. He is such a scumbag. Such a morally bankrupt horrible man. Literally the complete opposite of the facade he pushed. Just a terrible man.

I know, I was thinking the same thing. No matter what you think about this, why couldn’t he have waited until after the holidays. The timing seems exceptionally cruel, almost deliberately so. It’s as if he hates the families of the victims and wants them to suffer.

You have a distorted perspective. These people are still going to live out their days and die in prison. They just won’t be killed by the government. It’s really nothing to get worked up about.

It is absolutely cruel to make the families of the victims deal with this right before the holidays. Biden could have waited until January and did not. He forced those poor families to have to grapple with this just before the holidays. It is grotesquely cruel behavior from Biden.

I can tell this will come as a surprise to you, but not everyone thinks it’s ok for the government to murder people. Even families of victims disagree on this. You have no idea what they believe or how they feel. Life without parole instead of death at the hands of the government is still a life sentence of hell on earth. Some would argue that it’s worse. They are not getting away with anything or being told what they did is ok.

Biden has been a devout Catholic his whole life. Many would argue that Christmas is exactly the time that someone would choose to stop more death.

All of that can be true and it’s still phenomenally cruel to do this a few days before Christmas. It is truly shocking behavior.

And if Biden is doing it because he feels his own feelings on Christmas are most important, that just demonstrates just how cruel and self-absorbed he is.

I’m actually opposed to the death penalty and I find this astonishingly cruel from Biden and the Democrats.

Why should any one decide a human being should be put to death? These criminals are not being pardoned. They will die in prison.

I’m against the death penalty. But even I can see that how this was done (no advance warning the victims’ families, done days before Christmas/New Year, inconsistently applied) is horrific and cruel. There just isn’t another word for it. It’s cruel.

I think Biden is trying to destroy the entire Democratic Party on his way out. Nobody with any heart can support what Biden did here, especially when combined with the other terrible clemency orders (cash for kids judge, lady who stole $55m from a town for her horse ranch, etc). This is all immoral at this point.

He’s doing en masse pardons based on certain criteria. Quit personalizing it.

NP. Pardons are SUPPOSED to be personalized. That’s the point. The president is not supposed to be allowed to circumvent our entire justice system. He or she is supposed to have power to grant clemency in rare and specific situations where there is reason to grant it - cases of mistaken identity or where new evidence has come to light or something else that would warrant a presidential pardon. Not drug addicts just because they’re his son, or murderers or corrupt judges. Frankly, given recent events, I think we need to take away that power. And yes, with the way that Biden is abusing his power in his final months I agree with the PP that Biden is angry and doing his best to burn down the country on his way out. Shame on him.

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Anonymous wrote:Death penalty costs taxpayers more than life w/o parole. Biden saved us money AND did the civilized thing. Win, win.

Just going to ignore that the death penalty is expensive because death penalty opponents make it so?

If the goal is to make things cheaper then we could start with all the resources put into defending horrendous criminals who already received due process.

Every legal mechanism should be available in death penalty cases. If there is a mistake at any step you can’t just undo it. So yeah I fully support legal challenges.

And being provided a defense is a constitutional right.

At trial. And to meet rather low due process standards on appeal. Nothing actually requires the decades of legal process before execution. Again - look at Texas.

Texas has exonerated 50 people on death row.

Also - do any of those whose sentences were commuted claim to be legally and factually innocent - worthy of exoneration?

Commuted and exonerated are two different things.

Yes, big people are justifying Biden’s (or who ever is actually acting as President’s) actions by straw men arguments about court processes and innocent people being put to death. These 37 men are all guilty murderers.

And they will all still be in prison until they die. The only difference is that the government won’t commit a planned murder now too. Is murder wrong or not?

Agree - state sanctioned murder it citizens is plain wrong.

It is also very expensive (>$1m per death row inmate) as there are usually 10-20 years of exhausting legal appeals before they are executed and it does not deter violent crime.

Of course it deters crime. No one killed via the death penalty killed again.

No it doesn’t deter violent crime

https://www.amnesty.org/en/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/act500062008en.pdf
https://deathpenaltyinfo.org/resources/podcasts/discussions-with-dpic/discussions-with-dpic-does-capital-punishment-deter-murder-exploring-murder-rates-killings-of-police-officers-and-the-death-penalty

DP.

Pretty sure that executed criminals can no longer commit violent crime.

The point is about deterring violent crime, not what a person might do again. I doubt anyone ever thought to themselves “I’m not going to do this due to the death penalty”.