Biden commutes all but 3 federal death sentences

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Anonymous wrote:Death penalty costs taxpayers more than life w/o parole. Biden saved us money AND did the civilized thing. Win, win.


Just going to ignore that the death penalty is expensive because death penalty opponents make it so?

If the goal is to make things cheaper then we could start with all the resources put into defending horrendous criminals who already received due process.


Every legal mechanism should be available in death penalty cases. If there is a mistake at any step you can’t just undo it. So yeah I fully support legal challenges.

And being provided a defense is a constitutional right.


At trial. And to meet rather low due process standards on appeal. Nothing actually requires the decades of legal process before execution. Again - look at Texas.


Texas has exonerated 50 people on death row.


Also - do any of those whose sentences were commuted claim to be legally and factually innocent - worthy of exoneration?


Commuted and exonerated are two different things.


Yes, big people are justifying Biden’s (or who ever is actually acting as President’s) actions by straw men arguments about court processes and innocent people being put to death. These 37 men are all guilty murderers.


And they will all still be in prison until they die. The only difference is that the government won’t commit a planned murder now too. Is murder wrong or not?


Agree - state sanctioned murder it citizens is plain wrong.

It is also very expensive (>$1m per death row inmate) as there are usually 10-20 years of exhausting legal appeals before they are executed and it does not deter violent crime.


Of course it deters crime. No one killed via the death penalty killed again.
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Anonymous wrote:Death penalty costs taxpayers more than life w/o parole. Biden saved us money AND did the civilized thing. Win, win.


Just going to ignore that the death penalty is expensive because death penalty opponents make it so?

If the goal is to make things cheaper then we could start with all the resources put into defending horrendous criminals who already received due process.


Every legal mechanism should be available in death penalty cases. If there is a mistake at any step you can’t just undo it. So yeah I fully support legal challenges.

And being provided a defense is a constitutional right.


At trial. And to meet rather low due process standards on appeal. Nothing actually requires the decades of legal process before execution. Again - look at Texas.


Texas has exonerated 50 people on death row.


Also - do any of those whose sentences were commuted claim to be legally and factually innocent - worthy of exoneration?


Commuted and exonerated are two different things.


Yes, big people are justifying Biden’s (or who ever is actually acting as President’s) actions by straw men arguments about court processes and innocent people being put to death. These 37 men are all guilty murderers.


And they will all still be in prison until they die.


You can’t predict the future and prove that.


DP - sentences of life imprisonment without the possibility of parole suggests that no guess work is required.


Nope. The laws about life in prison can change. A president can release. A governor can release.
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Anonymous wrote:Who were the 3 people he did not commute their death sentences?


Dylan Roof, who killed several people in a South Carolina church, the Boston marathon bomber, and the shooter who killed people at the synagogue in Pittsburgh.


It seems like what made these three different is they were probably terrorism charges. Hard to disagree that terrorism should carry a maximum penalty.


Hard to disagree that child murderers should carry a maximum penalty.

Hard to argue that it’s hard to protect federal prison guards from inmates already experiencing a life sentence without the threat of a death penalty.


I guess you don’t understand what terrorism is.
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Anonymous wrote:Death penalty costs taxpayers more than life w/o parole. Biden saved us money AND did the civilized thing. Win, win.


Just going to ignore that the death penalty is expensive because death penalty opponents make it so?

If the goal is to make things cheaper then we could start with all the resources put into defending horrendous criminals who already received due process.


Every legal mechanism should be available in death penalty cases. If there is a mistake at any step you can’t just undo it. So yeah I fully support legal challenges.

And being provided a defense is a constitutional right.


At trial. And to meet rather low due process standards on appeal. Nothing actually requires the decades of legal process before execution. Again - look at Texas.


Texas has exonerated 50 people on death row.


Also - do any of those whose sentences were commuted claim to be legally and factually innocent - worthy of exoneration?


Commuted and exonerated are two different things.


Yes, big people are justifying Biden’s (or who ever is actually acting as President’s) actions by straw men arguments about court processes and innocent people being put to death. These 37 men are all guilty murderers.


And they will all still be in prison until they die. The only difference is that the government won’t commit a planned murder now too. Is murder wrong or not?


The death penalty is an extension of the principle of self defense as applied to society at large and most Americans agree with our use of it and its morality. It is a killing but it is not murder. Now the families have to stress that another president could come along and allow for their release. Maybe another president will not agree with the morality of life in prison. It’s not Biden’s place to prioritize his personal morality about the death penalty over that of the American people and its courts.


Actually, that’s exactly what the presidential
pardons are about.
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Joe cannot be dumped out of the White House and sent back to Rehoboth to suck on tapioca pudding for the remainder of his days fast enough.

His enablers should be held liable for lying to the American people for years that he was running the show, they probably can’t be prosecuted for it but they should at least be permanently exiled to the political wilderness and spend the rest of their lives writing make-work Atlantic columns that aren’t read outside of Georgetown and Park Slope, but I have a feeling the American people won’t be so lucky.
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This is at its heart the ultimate telling that Joe Biden is in charge of nothing. We do not have a President. Joe Biden is not anti-death penalty. This is some unknown person who has been given the powers of the Presidency.
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Anonymous wrote:I don’t know why he had to do this right before Christmas. All these poor families probably struggle with the holidays every single year and he just pour hot fresh pain into their hearts. He is such a scumbag. Such a morally bankrupt horrible man. Literally the complete opposite of the facade he pushed. Just a terrible man.


I know, I was thinking the same thing. No matter what you think about this, why couldn’t he have waited until after the holidays. The timing seems exceptionally cruel, almost deliberately so. It’s as if he hates the families of the victims and wants them to suffer.


You have a distorted perspective. These people are still going to live out their days and die in prison. They just won’t be killed by the government. It’s really nothing to get worked up about.



It is absolutely cruel to make the families of the victims deal with this right before the holidays. Biden could have waited until January and did not. He forced those poor families to have to grapple with this just before the holidays. It is grotesquely cruel behavior from Biden.


I can tell this will come as a surprise to you, but not everyone thinks it’s ok for the government to murder people. Even families of victims disagree on this. You have no idea what they believe or how they feel. Life without parole instead of death at the hands of the government is still a life sentence of hell on earth. Some would argue that it’s worse. They are not getting away with anything or being told what they did is ok.

Biden has been a devout Catholic his whole life. Many would argue that Christmas is exactly the time that someone would choose to stop more death.


All of that can be true and it’s still phenomenally cruel to do this a few days before Christmas. It is truly shocking behavior.

And if Biden is doing it because he feels his own feelings on Christmas are most important, that just demonstrates just how cruel and self-absorbed he is.

I’m actually opposed to the death penalty and I find this astonishingly cruel from Biden and the Democrats.
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Anonymous wrote:This is at its heart the ultimate telling that Joe Biden is in charge of nothing. We do not have a President. Joe Biden is not anti-death penalty. This is some unknown person who has been given the powers of the Presidency.


You seriously have no clue.
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Anonymous wrote:I don’t know why he had to do this right before Christmas. All these poor families probably struggle with the holidays every single year and he just pour hot fresh pain into their hearts. He is such a scumbag. Such a morally bankrupt horrible man. Literally the complete opposite of the facade he pushed. Just a terrible man.


I know, I was thinking the same thing. No matter what you think about this, why couldn’t he have waited until after the holidays. The timing seems exceptionally cruel, almost deliberately so. It’s as if he hates the families of the victims and wants them to suffer.


You have a distorted perspective. These people are still going to live out their days and die in prison. They just won’t be killed by the government. It’s really nothing to get worked up about.



It is absolutely cruel to make the families of the victims deal with this right before the holidays. Biden could have waited until January and did not. He forced those poor families to have to grapple with this just before the holidays. It is grotesquely cruel behavior from Biden.


I can tell this will come as a surprise to you, but not everyone thinks it’s ok for the government to murder people. Even families of victims disagree on this. You have no idea what they believe or how they feel. Life without parole instead of death at the hands of the government is still a life sentence of hell on earth. Some would argue that it’s worse. They are not getting away with anything or being told what they did is ok.

Biden has been a devout Catholic his whole life. Many would argue that Christmas is exactly the time that someone would choose to stop more death.


Christmas is not about death but about life, specifically the birth of Christ. You might be thinking of Easter when Christ died.

As to your other point, it is not the death penalty or a prison sentence that is the issue, it is bringing up the horrendous crime right before a holiday. Christmas might be emotional enough for the families and friends but to bring up the crimes on a global stage might only add to their sorrow.

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Anonymous wrote:Death penalty costs taxpayers more than life w/o parole. Biden saved us money AND did the civilized thing. Win, win.


Just going to ignore that the death penalty is expensive because death penalty opponents make it so?

If the goal is to make things cheaper then we could start with all the resources put into defending horrendous criminals who already received due process.


Every legal mechanism should be available in death penalty cases. If there is a mistake at any step you can’t just undo it. So yeah I fully support legal challenges.

And being provided a defense is a constitutional right.


At trial. And to meet rather low due process standards on appeal. Nothing actually requires the decades of legal process before execution. Again - look at Texas.


Texas has exonerated 50 people on death row.


Also - do any of those whose sentences were commuted claim to be legally and factually innocent - worthy of exoneration?


Commuted and exonerated are two different things.


Yes, big people are justifying Biden’s (or who ever is actually acting as President’s) actions by straw men arguments about court processes and innocent people being put to death. These 37 men are all guilty murderers.


And they will all still be in prison until they die.


You can’t predict the future and prove that.


I suppose when Biden adamantly stated that he would not pardon Hunter Biden, no one could predict the future when he did, in fact, pardon Hunter Biden.
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Anonymous wrote:I don’t know why he had to do this right before Christmas. All these poor families probably struggle with the holidays every single year and he just pour hot fresh pain into their hearts. He is such a scumbag. Such a morally bankrupt horrible man. Literally the complete opposite of the facade he pushed. Just a terrible man.


I know, I was thinking the same thing. No matter what you think about this, why couldn’t he have waited until after the holidays. The timing seems exceptionally cruel, almost deliberately so. It’s as if he hates the families of the victims and wants them to suffer.


You have a distorted perspective. These people are still going to live out their days and die in prison. They just won’t be killed by the government. It’s really nothing to get worked up about.



It is absolutely cruel to make the families of the victims deal with this right before the holidays. Biden could have waited until January and did not. He forced those poor families to have to grapple with this just before the holidays. It is grotesquely cruel behavior from Biden.


I can tell this will come as a surprise to you, but not everyone thinks it’s ok for the government to murder people. Even families of victims disagree on this. You have no idea what they believe or how they feel. Life without parole instead of death at the hands of the government is still a life sentence of hell on earth. Some would argue that it’s worse. They are not getting away with anything or being told what they did is ok.

Biden has been a devout Catholic his whole life. Many would argue that Christmas is exactly the time that someone would choose to stop more death.


All of that can be true and it’s still phenomenally cruel to do this a few days before Christmas. It is truly shocking behavior.

And if Biden is doing it because he feels his own feelings on Christmas are most important, that just demonstrates just how cruel and self-absorbed he is.

I’m actually opposed to the death penalty and I find this astonishingly cruel from Biden and the Democrats.


Why should any one decide a human being should be put to death? These criminals are not being pardoned. They will die in prison.
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Anonymous wrote:Death penalty costs taxpayers more than life w/o parole. Biden saved us money AND did the civilized thing. Win, win.


Just going to ignore that the death penalty is expensive because death penalty opponents make it so?

If the goal is to make things cheaper then we could start with all the resources put into defending horrendous criminals who already received due process.


Every legal mechanism should be available in death penalty cases. If there is a mistake at any step you can’t just undo it. So yeah I fully support legal challenges.

And being provided a defense is a constitutional right.


At trial. And to meet rather low due process standards on appeal. Nothing actually requires the decades of legal process before execution. Again - look at Texas.


Texas has exonerated 50 people on death row.


Also - do any of those whose sentences were commuted claim to be legally and factually innocent - worthy of exoneration?


Commuted and exonerated are two different things.


Yes, big people are justifying Biden’s (or who ever is actually acting as President’s) actions by straw men arguments about court processes and innocent people being put to death. These 37 men are all guilty murderers.


And they will all still be in prison until they die.


You can’t predict the future and prove that.


I suppose when Biden adamantly stated that he would not pardon Hunter Biden, no one could predict the future when he did, in fact, pardon Hunter Biden.


He changed his mind. You know like how Trump has a thousand times about abortion.
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Anonymous wrote:I don’t know why he had to do this right before Christmas. All these poor families probably struggle with the holidays every single year and he just pour hot fresh pain into their hearts. He is such a scumbag. Such a morally bankrupt horrible man. Literally the complete opposite of the facade he pushed. Just a terrible man.


I know, I was thinking the same thing. No matter what you think about this, why couldn’t he have waited until after the holidays. The timing seems exceptionally cruel, almost deliberately so. It’s as if he hates the families of the victims and wants them to suffer.


You have a distorted perspective. These people are still going to live out their days and die in prison. They just won’t be killed by the government. It’s really nothing to get worked up about.



It is absolutely cruel to make the families of the victims deal with this right before the holidays. Biden could have waited until January and did not. He forced those poor families to have to grapple with this just before the holidays. It is grotesquely cruel behavior from Biden.


I can tell this will come as a surprise to you, but not everyone thinks it’s ok for the government to murder people. Even families of victims disagree on this. You have no idea what they believe or how they feel. Life without parole instead of death at the hands of the government is still a life sentence of hell on earth. Some would argue that it’s worse. They are not getting away with anything or being told what they did is ok.

Biden has been a devout Catholic his whole life. Many would argue that Christmas is exactly the time that someone would choose to stop more death.


All of that can be true and it’s still phenomenally cruel to do this a few days before Christmas. It is truly shocking behavior.

And if Biden is doing it because he feels his own feelings on Christmas are most important, that just demonstrates just how cruel and self-absorbed he is.

I’m actually opposed to the death penalty and I find this astonishingly cruel from Biden and the Democrats.


Why should any one decide a human being should be put to death? These criminals are not being pardoned. They will die in prison.


I’m against the death penalty. But even I can see that how this was done (no advance warning the victims’ families, done days before Christmas/New Year, inconsistently applied) is horrific and cruel. There just isn’t another word for it. It’s cruel.

I think Biden is trying to destroy the entire Democratic Party on his way out. Nobody with any heart can support what Biden did here, especially when combined with the other terrible clemency orders (cash for kids judge, lady who stole $55m from a town for her horse ranch, etc). This is all immoral at this point.
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Anonymous wrote:I don’t know why he had to do this right before Christmas. All these poor families probably struggle with the holidays every single year and he just pour hot fresh pain into their hearts. He is such a scumbag. Such a morally bankrupt horrible man. Literally the complete opposite of the facade he pushed. Just a terrible man.


I know, I was thinking the same thing. No matter what you think about this, why couldn’t he have waited until after the holidays. The timing seems exceptionally cruel, almost deliberately so. It’s as if he hates the families of the victims and wants them to suffer.


You have a distorted perspective. These people are still going to live out their days and die in prison. They just won’t be killed by the government. It’s really nothing to get worked up about.



It is absolutely cruel to make the families of the victims deal with this right before the holidays. Biden could have waited until January and did not. He forced those poor families to have to grapple with this just before the holidays. It is grotesquely cruel behavior from Biden.


I can tell this will come as a surprise to you, but not everyone thinks it’s ok for the government to murder people. Even families of victims disagree on this. You have no idea what they believe or how they feel. Life without parole instead of death at the hands of the government is still a life sentence of hell on earth. Some would argue that it’s worse. They are not getting away with anything or being told what they did is ok.

Biden has been a devout Catholic his whole life. Many would argue that Christmas is exactly the time that someone would choose to stop more death.


All of that can be true and it’s still phenomenally cruel to do this a few days before Christmas. It is truly shocking behavior.

And if Biden is doing it because he feels his own feelings on Christmas are most important, that just demonstrates just how cruel and self-absorbed he is.

I’m actually opposed to the death penalty and I find this astonishingly cruel from Biden and the Democrats.



Why do you assume people will feel victimized because the criminal gets life without parole instead of murdered by the government? Some of them might be opposed to the death penalty too.
Anonymous
I might be ok with the death penalty for the 51 guys in the Gisele Pelicot case. Otherwise, there’s very few scenarios where it’s acceptable, especially with a dysfunctional legal system like this one.
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