What happened to W&M, Brandeis, Tulane, Pepperdine and others..from historically T50 to outside looking in?

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Anonymous wrote:UC Merced is equivalent to UMichigan.

The students admitted to UC Merced are of the same caliber as those admitted to UMichigan. I'm sure if you taught a class divided equally between UC Merced students and UMichigan students you would not see a difference.

Likewise the quality of undergraduate instruction is exactly the same.

Institutionally, the same resources available to UMichigan are available to UC Merced.

This isn't to pick on UMichigan (you can substitute any other large research university like UVA, UNC, Purdue, UMass, VA Tech, Texas, Iowa, etc).

No, these schools are not all interchangeable in terms of their student populations. I teach at a suburban high school. The students who are applying to UM, UVA and UT, are very different from the students applying to UIowa. And for the record, I love UIowa.

US News #s before social mobility:
UVA: 25
Michigan: 28
Austin: 56
Purdue: 56
VTech: 69
Merced: 165

The current US News is the reflection of the school TODAY! Who cares what the ranking was from 2 or 5 or 10 years ago. US News says UC Merced is roughly equivalent to those schools, by roughly equivalent, about in the same band. US News is used as a bible by a huge percentage of people. UC Merced is on par with those schools if you believe in US News.

US News overhauled its entire methodology. You are either a troll or unable to understand cause and effect.

DP. I think the point is that 99% of Americans simply don't care as obsessively as you clearly do about the "methodology." USNWR will continue to be the primary college ranking source in the U.S. for most people. Continue to seethe.

Because of US News's continuous decline in relevancy, Niche is now the #1 most used rankings system in the U.S.

https://static1.squarespace.com/static/5810fea5e58c62bd729121cc/t/66df2c8af65e4f679f507a20/1725901962868/studentPOLL+September+2024+Rankings.pdf

Never heard of this polling company, so I did a little research. How funny! Look at all these universities that are their CLIENTS! I'm sure they're not biased at all:

https://www.artsci.com/clients/higher-education

The entirety of USNWR is on that list from Yale to UVM. Your point?

Do those colleges pay USNWR?

Your point?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:UC Merced is equivalent to UMichigan.

The students admitted to UC Merced are of the same caliber as those admitted to UMichigan. I'm sure if you taught a class divided equally between UC Merced students and UMichigan students you would not see a difference.

Likewise the quality of undergraduate instruction is exactly the same.

Institutionally, the same resources available to UMichigan are available to UC Merced.

This isn't to pick on UMichigan (you can substitute any other large research university like UVA, UNC, Purdue, UMass, VA Tech, Texas, Iowa, etc).

No, these schools are not all interchangeable in terms of their student populations. I teach at a suburban high school. The students who are applying to UM, UVA and UT, are very different from the students applying to UIowa. And for the record, I love UIowa.

US News #s before social mobility:
UVA: 25
Michigan: 28
Austin: 56
Purdue: 56
VTech: 69
Merced: 165

The current US News is the reflection of the school TODAY! Who cares what the ranking was from 2 or 5 or 10 years ago. US News says UC Merced is roughly equivalent to those schools, by roughly equivalent, about in the same band. US News is used as a bible by a huge percentage of people. UC Merced is on par with those schools if you believe in US News.

US News overhauled its entire methodology. You are either a troll or unable to understand cause and effect.

DP. I think the point is that 99% of Americans simply don't care as obsessively as you clearly do about the "methodology." USNWR will continue to be the primary college ranking source in the U.S. for most people. Continue to seethe.

Because of US News's continuous decline in relevancy, Niche is now the #1 most used rankings system in the U.S.

https://static1.squarespace.com/static/5810fea5e58c62bd729121cc/t/66df2c8af65e4f679f507a20/1725901962868/studentPOLL+September+2024+Rankings.pdf

Never heard of this polling company, so I did a little research. How funny! Look at all these universities that are their CLIENTS! I'm sure they're not biased at all:

https://www.artsci.com/clients/higher-education

The entirety of USNWR is on that list from Yale to UVM. Your point?

Do those colleges pay USNWR?

Your point?

Never mind. Good grief, this is painful.

[Anonymous]

Understanding this might be a sensitive subject to the WM fans, but do Tulane/Pepperdine/Brandeis have the same quality theme parks as WM has with Busch Gardens and Water Country?

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Anonymous wrote:Wake Forest is barely "t50", somehow beat out by Rutgers. W&M has exactly the same entering class stats and %s as UVA yet is beat out by Virginia Tech on US News. Michigan State (no offense to Michigan State) is somehow t70 now. Did the average student at Rutgers suddenly become much smarter than the average Wake student? No. Is the average Virginia Tech student smarter than the average student at Tulane? No.

So-called "t50" schools with ranks that now reflect their ability to be large, pell-grant numbers, etc. will always be on the outside looking into the group of schools whose intellectual character remains clear to those who make any effort at all to look.

OMG. This has got to be one of the most smug, clueless posts I've ever read. I'm so sorry you and your favored schools have been left behind.
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DP
You are genuinely the corniest poster on this site - always the laughing emojis and the know it all sarcasm.

So... you actually think all the posts that use laughing emojis are... the same poster? This explains so much.

No, but this person has a very distinct messaging style.

Oh, please. You're not omniscient and you have no idea who is who here.

Keep going with the smugness

And you as well. Your posts absolutely reek of arrogance, especially this sentence:

"So-called "t50" schools with ranks that now reflect their ability to be large, pell-grant numbers, etc. will always be on the outside looking into the group of schools whose intellectual character remains clear to those who make any effort at all to look."

Not the post this above message is directed at.

You can clearly see from the timestamps of recent posts on this thread that there are multiple posters and certainly have been multiple posters throughout the day. Only recently have you begun filling this thread with your rhetoric.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:UC Merced is equivalent to UMichigan.

The students admitted to UC Merced are of the same caliber as those admitted to UMichigan. I'm sure if you taught a class divided equally between UC Merced students and UMichigan students you would not see a difference.

Likewise the quality of undergraduate instruction is exactly the same.

Institutionally, the same resources available to UMichigan are available to UC Merced.

This isn't to pick on UMichigan (you can substitute any other large research university like UVA, UNC, Purdue, UMass, VA Tech, Texas, Iowa, etc).

No, these schools are not all interchangeable in terms of their student populations. I teach at a suburban high school. The students who are applying to UM, UVA and UT, are very different from the students applying to UIowa. And for the record, I love UIowa.

US News #s before social mobility:
UVA: 25
Michigan: 28
Austin: 56
Purdue: 56
VTech: 69
Merced: 165

The current US News is the reflection of the school TODAY! Who cares what the ranking was from 2 or 5 or 10 years ago. US News says UC Merced is roughly equivalent to those schools, by roughly equivalent, about in the same band. US News is used as a bible by a huge percentage of people. UC Merced is on par with those schools if you believe in US News.

US News overhauled its entire methodology. You are either a troll or unable to understand cause and effect.

DP. I think the point is that 99% of Americans simply don't care as obsessively as you clearly do about the "methodology." USNWR will continue to be the primary college ranking source in the U.S. for most people. Continue to seethe.

Because of US News's continuous decline in relevancy, Niche is now the #1 most used rankings system in the U.S.

https://static1.squarespace.com/static/5810fea5e58c62bd729121cc/t/66df2c8af65e4f679f507a20/1725901962868/studentPOLL+September+2024+Rankings.pdf

Never heard of this polling company, so I did a little research. How funny! Look at all these universities that are their CLIENTS! I'm sure they're not biased at all:

https://www.artsci.com/clients/higher-education

The entirety of USNWR is on that list from Yale to UVM. Your point?

Do those colleges pay USNWR?

Your point?

Never mind. Good grief, this is painful.

Because there is no point. Thanks!

[Anonymous]

Sorry to the aggrieved poster that UVA is probably 10x the school your #150 is and that you are jealous.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:UC Merced is equivalent to UMichigan.

The students admitted to UC Merced are of the same caliber as those admitted to UMichigan. I'm sure if you taught a class divided equally between UC Merced students and UMichigan students you would not see a difference.

Likewise the quality of undergraduate instruction is exactly the same.

Institutionally, the same resources available to UMichigan are available to UC Merced.

This isn't to pick on UMichigan (you can substitute any other large research university like UVA, UNC, Purdue, UMass, VA Tech, Texas, Iowa, etc).

No, these schools are not all interchangeable in terms of their student populations. I teach at a suburban high school. The students who are applying to UM, UVA and UT, are very different from the students applying to UIowa. And for the record, I love UIowa.

US News #s before social mobility:
UVA: 25
Michigan: 28
Austin: 56
Purdue: 56
VTech: 69
Merced: 165

The current US News is the reflection of the school TODAY! Who cares what the ranking was from 2 or 5 or 10 years ago. US News says UC Merced is roughly equivalent to those schools, by roughly equivalent, about in the same band. US News is used as a bible by a huge percentage of people. UC Merced is on par with those schools if you believe in US News.

US News overhauled its entire methodology. You are either a troll or unable to understand cause and effect.

DP. I think the point is that 99% of Americans simply don't care as obsessively as you clearly do about the "methodology." USNWR will continue to be the primary college ranking source in the U.S. for most people. Continue to seethe.

Because of US News's continuous decline in relevancy, Niche is now the #1 most used rankings system in the U.S.

https://static1.squarespace.com/static/5810fea5e58c62bd729121cc/t/66df2c8af65e4f679f507a20/1725901962868/studentPOLL+September+2024+Rankings.pdf

Never heard of this polling company, so I did a little research. How funny! Look at all these universities that are their CLIENTS! I'm sure they're not biased at all:

https://www.artsci.com/clients/higher-education

I took a look at the Niche list. I think the first 50 or so are very reasonable. That list makes a lot more sense than US News.

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Anonymous wrote:Wake Forest is barely "t50", somehow beat out by Rutgers. W&M has exactly the same entering class stats and %s as UVA yet is beat out by Virginia Tech on US News. Michigan State (no offense to Michigan State) is somehow t70 now. Did the average student at Rutgers suddenly become much smarter than the average Wake student? No. Is the average Virginia Tech student smarter than the average student at Tulane? No.

So-called "t50" schools with ranks that now reflect their ability to be large, pell-grant numbers, etc. will always be on the outside looking into the group of schools whose intellectual character remains clear to those who make any effort at all to look.

OMG. This has got to be one of the most smug, clueless posts I've ever read. I'm so sorry you and your favored schools have been left behind.
NP

DP
You are genuinely the corniest poster on this site - always the laughing emojis and the know it all sarcasm.

So... you actually think all the posts that use laughing emojis are... the same poster? This explains so much.

No, but this person has a very distinct messaging style.

Oh, please. You're not omniscient and you have no idea who is who here.

Keep going with the smugness

And you as well. Your posts absolutely reek of arrogance, especially this sentence:

"So-called "t50" schools with ranks that now reflect their ability to be large, pell-grant numbers, etc. will always be on the outside looking into the group of schools whose intellectual character remains clear to those who make any effort at all to look."

Not the post this above message is directed at.

You can clearly see from the timestamps of recent posts on this thread that there are multiple posters and certainly have been multiple posters throughout the day. Only recently have you begun filling this thread with your rhetoric.

"Rhetoric"? And what do you call your posts? You may or may not be the above quoted poster, but you're certainly just as arrogant. And btw, if you're the same person who keeps calling every person here the poster who mentioned their kid's "150+" ranked school, I've reported you. You're talking to different people.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Sorry to the aggrieved poster that UVA is probably 10x the school your #150 is and that you are jealous.

What does UVA have to do with anything being discussed here and why did you feel the need to bring it up (as always)?

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Anonymous wrote:Wake Forest is barely "t50", somehow beat out by Rutgers. W&M has exactly the same entering class stats and %s as UVA yet is beat out by Virginia Tech on US News. Michigan State (no offense to Michigan State) is somehow t70 now. Did the average student at Rutgers suddenly become much smarter than the average Wake student? No. Is the average Virginia Tech student smarter than the average student at Tulane? No.

So-called "t50" schools with ranks that now reflect their ability to be large, pell-grant numbers, etc. will always be on the outside looking into the group of schools whose intellectual character remains clear to those who make any effort at all to look.

OMG. This has got to be one of the most smug, clueless posts I've ever read. I'm so sorry you and your favored schools have been left behind.
NP

DP
You are genuinely the corniest poster on this site - always the laughing emojis and the know it all sarcasm.

So... you actually think all the posts that use laughing emojis are... the same poster? This explains so much.

No, but this person has a very distinct messaging style.

Oh, please. You're not omniscient and you have no idea who is who here.

Keep going with the smugness

And you as well. Your posts absolutely reek of arrogance, especially this sentence:

"So-called "t50" schools with ranks that now reflect their ability to be large, pell-grant numbers, etc. will always be on the outside looking into the group of schools whose intellectual character remains clear to those who make any effort at all to look."

Well considering I wasn't the one who said that, dk what to tell you!

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Anonymous wrote:Wake Forest is barely "t50", somehow beat out by Rutgers. W&M has exactly the same entering class stats and %s as UVA yet is beat out by Virginia Tech on US News. Michigan State (no offense to Michigan State) is somehow t70 now. Did the average student at Rutgers suddenly become much smarter than the average Wake student? No. Is the average Virginia Tech student smarter than the average student at Tulane? No.

So-called "t50" schools with ranks that now reflect their ability to be large, pell-grant numbers, etc. will always be on the outside looking into the group of schools whose intellectual character remains clear to those who make any effort at all to look.

OMG. This has got to be one of the most smug, clueless posts I've ever read. I'm so sorry you and your favored schools have been left behind.
NP

DP
You are genuinely the corniest poster on this site - always the laughing emojis and the know it all sarcasm.

So... you actually think all the posts that use laughing emojis are... the same poster? This explains so much.

No, but this person has a very distinct messaging style.

Oh, please. You're not omniscient and you have no idea who is who here.

Keep going with the smugness

And you as well. Your posts absolutely reek of arrogance, especially this sentence:

"So-called "t50" schools with ranks that now reflect their ability to be large, pell-grant numbers, etc. will always be on the outside looking into the group of schools whose intellectual character remains clear to those who make any effort at all to look."

Not the post this above message is directed at.

You can clearly see from the timestamps of recent posts on this thread that there are multiple posters and certainly have been multiple posters throughout the day. Only recently have you begun filling this thread with your rhetoric.

"Rhetoric"? And what do you call your posts? You may or may not be the above quoted poster, but you're certainly just as arrogant. And btw, if you're the same person who keeps calling every person here the poster who mentioned their kid's "150+" ranked school, I've reported you. You're talking to different people.

You clearly have severe issues. Holding you in the light.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Wake Forest is barely "t50", somehow beat out by Rutgers. W&M has exactly the same entering class stats and %s as UVA yet is beat out by Virginia Tech on US News. Michigan State (no offense to Michigan State) is somehow t70 now. Did the average student at Rutgers suddenly become much smarter than the average Wake student? No. Is the average Virginia Tech student smarter than the average student at Tulane? No.

So-called "t50" schools with ranks that now reflect their ability to be large, pell-grant numbers, etc. will always be on the outside looking into the group of schools whose intellectual character remains clear to those who make any effort at all to look.

OMG. This has got to be one of the most smug, clueless posts I've ever read. I'm so sorry you and your favored schools have been left behind.
NP

DP
You are genuinely the corniest poster on this site - always the laughing emojis and the know it all sarcasm.

So... you actually think all the posts that use laughing emojis are... the same poster? This explains so much.

No, but this person has a very distinct messaging style.

Oh, please. You're not omniscient and you have no idea who is who here.

Keep going with the smugness

And you as well. Your posts absolutely reek of arrogance, especially this sentence:

"So-called "t50" schools with ranks that now reflect their ability to be large, pell-grant numbers, etc. will always be on the outside looking into the group of schools whose intellectual character remains clear to those who make any effort at all to look."

Actually, it reeks of stupidity.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:UC Merced is equivalent to UMichigan.

The students admitted to UC Merced are of the same caliber as those admitted to UMichigan. I'm sure if you taught a class divided equally between UC Merced students and UMichigan students you would not see a difference.

Likewise the quality of undergraduate instruction is exactly the same.

Institutionally, the same resources available to UMichigan are available to UC Merced.

This isn't to pick on UMichigan (you can substitute any other large research university like UVA, UNC, Purdue, UMass, VA Tech, Texas, Iowa, etc).

No, these schools are not all interchangeable in terms of their student populations. I teach at a suburban high school. The students who are applying to UM, UVA and UT, are very different from the students applying to UIowa. And for the record, I love UIowa.

US News #s before social mobility:
UVA: 25
Michigan: 28
Austin: 56
Purdue: 56
VTech: 69
Merced: 165

The current US News is the reflection of the school TODAY! Who cares what the ranking was from 2 or 5 or 10 years ago. US News says UC Merced is roughly equivalent to those schools, by roughly equivalent, about in the same band. US News is used as a bible by a huge percentage of people. UC Merced is on par with those schools if you believe in US News.

US News overhauled its entire methodology. You are either a troll or unable to understand cause and effect.

DP. I think the point is that 99% of Americans simply don't care as obsessively as you clearly do about the "methodology." USNWR will continue to be the primary college ranking source in the U.S. for most people. Continue to seethe.

Because of US News's continuous decline in relevancy, Niche is now the #1 most used rankings system in the U.S.

https://static1.squarespace.com/static/5810fea5e58c62bd729121cc/t/66df2c8af65e4f679f507a20/1725901962868/studentPOLL+September+2024+Rankings.pdf

Never heard of this polling company, so I did a little research. How funny! Look at all these universities that are their CLIENTS! I'm sure they're not biased at all:

https://www.artsci.com/clients/higher-education

I took a look at the Niche list. I think the first 50 or so are very reasonable. That list makes a lot more sense than US News.

The list of top public universities is very similar to US News. Also, the methodology is not all that different from US News except that US News doesn't use student reviews.

About This List
The Top Public Universities ranking is based on rigorous analysis of academic, admissions, financial, and student life data from the U.S. Department of Education along for millions of reviews from students and alumni. The ranking compares over 500 public colleges and state universities. This year's rankings have introduced an Economic Mobility Index, which measures the economic status change for low-income students. ACT/SAT scores have been removed from rankings to reflect a general de-emphasis on test scores in the college admissions process.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wake Forest is barely "t50", somehow beat out by Rutgers. W&M has exactly the same entering class stats and %s as UVA yet is beat out by Virginia Tech on US News. Michigan State (no offense to Michigan State) is somehow t70 now. Did the average student at Rutgers suddenly become much smarter than the average Wake student? No. Is the average Virginia Tech student smarter than the average student at Tulane? No.

So-called "t50" schools with ranks that now reflect their ability to be large, pell-grant numbers, etc. will always be on the outside looking into the group of schools whose intellectual character remains clear to those who make any effort at all to look.

OMG. This has got to be one of the most smug, clueless posts I've ever read. I'm so sorry you and your favored schools have been left behind.
NP

DP
You are genuinely the corniest poster on this site - always the laughing emojis and the know it all sarcasm.

So... you actually think all the posts that use laughing emojis are... the same poster? This explains so much.

No, but this person has a very distinct messaging style.

Oh, please. You're not omniscient and you have no idea who is who here.

Keep going with the smugness

And you as well. Your posts absolutely reek of arrogance, especially this sentence:

"So-called "t50" schools with ranks that now reflect their ability to be large, pell-grant numbers, etc. will always be on the outside looking into the group of schools whose intellectual character remains clear to those who make any effort at all to look."

Actually, it reeks of stupidity.

+100
Par for the course among DCUM's finest.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Wake Forest is barely "t50", somehow beat out by Rutgers. W&M has exactly the same entering class stats and %s as UVA yet is beat out by Virginia Tech on US News. Michigan State (no offense to Michigan State) is somehow t70 now. Did the average student at Rutgers suddenly become much smarter than the average Wake student? No. Is the average Virginia Tech student smarter than the average student at Tulane? No.

So-called "t50" schools with ranks that now reflect their ability to be large, pell-grant numbers, etc. will always be on the outside looking into the group of schools whose intellectual character remains clear to those who make any effort at all to look.

OMG. This has got to be one of the most smug, clueless posts I've ever read. I'm so sorry you and your favored schools have been left behind.
NP

DP
You are genuinely the corniest poster on this site - always the laughing emojis and the know it all sarcasm.

So... you actually think all the posts that use laughing emojis are... the same poster? This explains so much.

No, but this person has a very distinct messaging style.

Oh, please. You're not omniscient and you have no idea who is who here.

Keep going with the smugness

And you as well. Your posts absolutely reek of arrogance, especially this sentence:

"So-called "t50" schools with ranks that now reflect their ability to be large, pell-grant numbers, etc. will always be on the outside looking into the group of schools whose intellectual character remains clear to those who make any effort at all to look."

Not the post this above message is directed at.

You can clearly see from the timestamps of recent posts on this thread that there are multiple posters and certainly have been multiple posters throughout the day. Only recently have you begun filling this thread with your rhetoric.

"Rhetoric"? And what do you call your posts? You may or may not be the above quoted poster, but you're certainly just as arrogant. And btw, if you're the same person who keeps calling every person here the poster who mentioned their kid's "150+" ranked school, I've reported you. You're talking to different people.

You clearly have severe issues. Holding you in the light.

Bless your heart.