How are Big 3s doing with ED?

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Anonymous wrote:GDS is doing well this year - They still look stronger than Sidwell this year, but they are not killing it like last year when they had an astounding number of tippy top admissions: many Harvard (6) Princeton (3), etc.

The hysterical posts from Sidwell parents on this thread seem to indicate these parents think Sidwell still has the best record overall despite the fact last year, both St Albans and GDS did better.

Based on GDS’ and Sidwell’s IG accounts (STS’s doesn’t exist), Sidwell is doing significantly better than GDS (per usual) when it comes to college matriculations. If one is able to count, the truth is obvious.

STA’s college placement is underwhelming. Its website indicates that it only excels at sending students to UChicago. Sidwell does well at UChicago and every Ivy, which isn’t something STA can say. STA hasn’t sent a single student to Penn or Brown in the past 5 years! Penn sent 6 students to Penn LAST YEAR (2024).

https://www.stalbansschool.org/about/meet-st-albans

Sidwell sent 6 students to Penn LAST YEAR (2024).

If true, I stand corrected. STA hasn’t sent more than 5 students to Penn and Brown over the past 5 years. That’s not good. And you will never convince me it’s because STA students just don’t want to go to those two Ivies.

Those kids are at Dartmouth and Princeton and not applied to Brown per the school naviance. Many STA kids CURRENTLY at Dartmouth and Princeton and a few at Yale, Harvard, and Penn. What is your obsession with Penn? It is weird. How many Sidwell kids at Dartmouth or Princeton? Not many considering it is much larger than STA.

That’s a fight you really don’t want to have. Sidwell students are admitted to every Ivy every year. STA cannot say the same. Last year, Sidwell sent 6 students to Penn, 4 to Harvard, 2 each to Dartmouth, Cornell, and Columbia. And 1 each to the the remaining Ivies, except Princeton. The Princeton admit chose Harvard.

STA has only sent 10 students to Harvard over the past 5 years. During that same time period, Sidwell has sent about 20 students to Harvard. Sidwell is larger than STA, but it isn’t close to double its size.

Sidwell sending 18 to ivies is about same as typical year at gds, but is lower than ncs on a per student basis and not much ahead of sta.
Of course, top NYC and Boston area privates blow the doors off any DMV private.

You wish—lol! GDS had a good year last year, and it was about the same as Sidwell’s c/o 2024. GDS typically has a year like it did in 2023 (meh) and this year.

Guess you haven't been paying attention. Basically indistinguishable.

It must be tough to be GDS—always trying to measure up to Sidwell. This one-sided competition must be exhausting!

Oh, i think you were passed years ago. And certainly by the time the Obamas exiited. Stuck in the past, and not in a good way (STA and NCS being stuck in the past is part of their charm).

“I think you were passed years ago.” By who—GDS?!? Even you don’t believe that nonsense. Thanks for the chuckle though—lol! 🤣

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Anonymous wrote:GDS is doing well this year - They still look stronger than Sidwell this year, but they are not killing it like last year when they had an astounding number of tippy top admissions: many Harvard (6) Princeton (3), etc.

The hysterical posts from Sidwell parents on this thread seem to indicate these parents think Sidwell still has the best record overall despite the fact last year, both St Albans and GDS did better.

Based on GDS’ and Sidwell’s IG accounts (STS’s doesn’t exist), Sidwell is doing significantly better than GDS (per usual) when it comes to college matriculations. If one is able to count, the truth is obvious.

STA’s college placement is underwhelming. Its website indicates that it only excels at sending students to UChicago. Sidwell does well at UChicago and every Ivy, which isn’t something STA can say. STA hasn’t sent a single student to Penn or Brown in the past 5 years! Penn sent 6 students to Penn LAST YEAR (2024).

https://www.stalbansschool.org/about/meet-st-albans

Sidwell sent 6 students to Penn LAST YEAR (2024).

If true, I stand corrected. STA hasn’t sent more than 5 students to Penn and Brown over the past 5 years. That’s not good. And you will never convince me it’s because STA students just don’t want to go to those two Ivies.

Those kids are at Dartmouth and Princeton and not applied to Brown per the school naviance. Many STA kids CURRENTLY at Dartmouth and Princeton and a few at Yale, Harvard, and Penn. What is your obsession with Penn? It is weird. How many Sidwell kids at Dartmouth or Princeton? Not many considering it is much larger than STA.

That’s a fight you really don’t want to have. Sidwell students are admitted to every Ivy every year. STA cannot say the same. Last year, Sidwell sent 6 students to Penn, 4 to Harvard, 2 each to Dartmouth, Cornell, and Columbia. And 1 each to the the remaining Ivies, except Princeton. The Princeton admit chose Harvard.

STA has only sent 10 students to Harvard over the past 5 years. During that same time period, Sidwell has sent about 20 students to Harvard. Sidwell is larger than STA, but it isn’t close to double its size.

Sidwell sending 18 to ivies is about same as typical year at gds, but is lower than ncs on a per student basis and not much ahead of sta.
Of course, top NYC and Boston area privates blow the doors off any DMV private.

You wish—lol! GDS had a good year last year, and it was about the same as Sidwell’s c/o 2024. GDS typically has a year like it did in 2023 (meh) and this year.

It's 100% about the hooks (mainly legacies and some athletes). Pretty much a 1:1 correlation.

Are you upset because your children don’t have any hooks? Whose fault is that?

Not you again.

Tsk, no grasp of reality.

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Anonymous wrote:GDS is doing well this year - They still look stronger than Sidwell this year, but they are not killing it like last year when they had an astounding number of tippy top admissions: many Harvard (6) Princeton (3), etc.

The hysterical posts from Sidwell parents on this thread seem to indicate these parents think Sidwell still has the best record overall despite the fact last year, both St Albans and GDS did better.

Based on GDS’ and Sidwell’s IG accounts (STS’s doesn’t exist), Sidwell is doing significantly better than GDS (per usual) when it comes to college matriculations. If one is able to count, the truth is obvious.

STA’s college placement is underwhelming. Its website indicates that it only excels at sending students to UChicago. Sidwell does well at UChicago and every Ivy, which isn’t something STA can say. STA hasn’t sent a single student to Penn or Brown in the past 5 years! Penn sent 6 students to Penn LAST YEAR (2024).

https://www.stalbansschool.org/about/meet-st-albans

Sidwell sent 6 students to Penn LAST YEAR (2024).

If true, I stand corrected. STA hasn’t sent more than 5 students to Penn and Brown over the past 5 years. That’s not good. And you will never convince me it’s because STA students just don’t want to go to those two Ivies.

Those kids are at Dartmouth and Princeton and not applied to Brown per the school naviance. Many STA kids CURRENTLY at Dartmouth and Princeton and a few at Yale, Harvard, and Penn. What is your obsession with Penn? It is weird. How many Sidwell kids at Dartmouth or Princeton? Not many considering it is much larger than STA.

That’s a fight you really don’t want to have. Sidwell students are admitted to every Ivy every year. STA cannot say the same. Last year, Sidwell sent 6 students to Penn, 4 to Harvard, 2 each to Dartmouth, Cornell, and Columbia. And 1 each to the the remaining Ivies, except Princeton. The Princeton admit chose Harvard.

STA has only sent 10 students to Harvard over the past 5 years. During that same time period, Sidwell has sent about 20 students to Harvard. Sidwell is larger than STA, but it isn’t close to double its size.

Sidwell sending 18 to ivies is about same as typical year at gds, but is lower than ncs on a per student basis and not much ahead of sta.
Of course, top NYC and Boston area privates blow the doors off any DMV private.

You wish—lol! GDS had a good year last year, and it was about the same as Sidwell’s c/o 2024. GDS typically has a year like it did in 2023 (meh) and this year.

Guess you haven't been paying attention. Basically indistinguishable.

It must be tough to be GDS—always trying to measure up to Sidwell. This one-sided competition must be exhausting!

Oh, i think you were passed years ago. And certainly by the time the Obamas exiited. Stuck in the past, and not in a good way (STA and NCS being stuck in the past is part of their charm).

“I think you were passed years ago.” By who—GDS?!? Even you don’t believe that nonsense. Thanks for the chuckle though—lol! 🤣

Not PP, but just reading all these Sidwell booster posts. Y'all been passed by everyone, not just GDS.

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Anonymous wrote:GDS is doing well this year - They still look stronger than Sidwell this year, but they are not killing it like last year when they had an astounding number of tippy top admissions: many Harvard (6) Princeton (3), etc.

The hysterical posts from Sidwell parents on this thread seem to indicate these parents think Sidwell still has the best record overall despite the fact last year, both St Albans and GDS did better.

Based on GDS’ and Sidwell’s IG accounts (STS’s doesn’t exist), Sidwell is doing significantly better than GDS (per usual) when it comes to college matriculations. If one is able to count, the truth is obvious.

STA’s college placement is underwhelming. Its website indicates that it only excels at sending students to UChicago. Sidwell does well at UChicago and every Ivy, which isn’t something STA can say. STA hasn’t sent a single student to Penn or Brown in the past 5 years! Penn sent 6 students to Penn LAST YEAR (2024).

https://www.stalbansschool.org/about/meet-st-albans

Sidwell sent 6 students to Penn LAST YEAR (2024).

If true, I stand corrected. STA hasn’t sent more than 5 students to Penn and Brown over the past 5 years. That’s not good. And you will never convince me it’s because STA students just don’t want to go to those two Ivies.

Those kids are at Dartmouth and Princeton and not applied to Brown per the school naviance. Many STA kids CURRENTLY at Dartmouth and Princeton and a few at Yale, Harvard, and Penn. What is your obsession with Penn? It is weird. How many Sidwell kids at Dartmouth or Princeton? Not many considering it is much larger than STA.

That’s a fight you really don’t want to have. Sidwell students are admitted to every Ivy every year. STA cannot say the same. Last year, Sidwell sent 6 students to Penn, 4 to Harvard, 2 each to Dartmouth, Cornell, and Columbia. And 1 each to the the remaining Ivies, except Princeton. The Princeton admit chose Harvard.

STA has only sent 10 students to Harvard over the past 5 years. During that same time period, Sidwell has sent about 20 students to Harvard. Sidwell is larger than STA, but it isn’t close to double its size.

Sidwell sending 18 to ivies is about same as typical year at gds, but is lower than ncs on a per student basis and not much ahead of sta.
Of course, top NYC and Boston area privates blow the doors off any DMV private.

You wish—lol! GDS had a good year last year, and it was about the same as Sidwell’s c/o 2024. GDS typically has a year like it did in 2023 (meh) and this year.

Guess you haven't been paying attention. Basically indistinguishable.

It must be tough to be GDS—always trying to measure up to Sidwell. This one-sided competition must be exhausting!

Oh, i think you were passed years ago. And certainly by the time the Obamas exiited. Stuck in the past, and not in a good way (STA and NCS being stuck in the past is part of their charm).

“I think you were passed years ago.” By who—GDS?!? Even you don’t believe that nonsense. Thanks for the chuckle though—lol! 🤣

Not PP, but just reading all these Sidwell booster posts. Y'all been passed by everyone, not just GDS.

In your wildest dreams! 😂

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Anonymous wrote:GDS is doing well this year - They still look stronger than Sidwell this year, but they are not killing it like last year when they had an astounding number of tippy top admissions: many Harvard (6) Princeton (3), etc.

The hysterical posts from Sidwell parents on this thread seem to indicate these parents think Sidwell still has the best record overall despite the fact last year, both St Albans and GDS did better.

Based on GDS’ and Sidwell’s IG accounts (STS’s doesn’t exist), Sidwell is doing significantly better than GDS (per usual) when it comes to college matriculations. If one is able to count, the truth is obvious.

STA’s college placement is underwhelming. Its website indicates that it only excels at sending students to UChicago. Sidwell does well at UChicago and every Ivy, which isn’t something STA can say. STA hasn’t sent a single student to Penn or Brown in the past 5 years! Penn sent 6 students to Penn LAST YEAR (2024).

https://www.stalbansschool.org/about/meet-st-albans

Sidwell sent 6 students to Penn LAST YEAR (2024).

If true, I stand corrected. STA hasn’t sent more than 5 students to Penn and Brown over the past 5 years. That’s not good. And you will never convince me it’s because STA students just don’t want to go to those two Ivies.

Those kids are at Dartmouth and Princeton and not applied to Brown per the school naviance. Many STA kids CURRENTLY at Dartmouth and Princeton and a few at Yale, Harvard, and Penn. What is your obsession with Penn? It is weird. How many Sidwell kids at Dartmouth or Princeton? Not many considering it is much larger than STA.

That’s a fight you really don’t want to have. Sidwell students are admitted to every Ivy every year. STA cannot say the same. Last year, Sidwell sent 6 students to Penn, 4 to Harvard, 2 each to Dartmouth, Cornell, and Columbia. And 1 each to the the remaining Ivies, except Princeton. The Princeton admit chose Harvard.

STA has only sent 10 students to Harvard over the past 5 years. During that same time period, Sidwell has sent about 20 students to Harvard. Sidwell is larger than STA, but it isn’t close to double its size.

Sidwell sending 18 to ivies is about same as typical year at gds, but is lower than ncs on a per student basis and not much ahead of sta.
Of course, top NYC and Boston area privates blow the doors off any DMV private.

You wish—lol! GDS had a good year last year, and it was about the same as Sidwell’s c/o 2024. GDS typically has a year like it did in 2023 (meh) and this year.

Guess you haven't been paying attention. Basically indistinguishable.

It must be tough to be GDS—always trying to measure up to Sidwell. This one-sided competition must be exhausting!

Oh, i think you were passed years ago. And certainly by the time the Obamas exiited. Stuck in the past, and not in a good way (STA and NCS being stuck in the past is part of their charm).

“I think you were passed years ago.” By who—GDS?!? Even you don’t believe that nonsense. Thanks for the chuckle though—lol! 🤣

Not PP, but just reading all these Sidwell booster posts. Y'all been passed by everyone, not just GDS.

Maret too is back. I'm old enough to remember the pre-Obama pecking order. And Maret was a hot school and regularly picked over striver Sidwell (which was pining for the Chelsea days back then). We're back to those days. Maret is definitely in the passing lane (about to pass the 2009 Volvo with SFS stickers).

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Maret does not grade deflate like the other schools do.
Average GPA for the class of 2025 is a 3.7 (per their school profile). At NCS it's a 3.5.
Average SAT at Maret is 100 points lower than at NCS.


The grade deflation policies ("a 3.5 is great!") are not working in 2025 where the public school GPAs continue to sail upwards (now in the high 4.9s at many). The private schools that haven't adjusted upward (at least by a bit) are struggling.

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Anonymous wrote:NCS went 0/8 at Northwestern. Maret had 6 Northwestern admissions. Something is not working.

Northwestern is a tough one for NCS. They’re big on gpa. They admit a lot of TO students with high gpa’s. NCS students tend to be the opposite.

I’m a new poster on this thread. Two different friends are telling me their daughter’s colleges were not sent the first semester grades and new better gpa in time and they missed the deadline for EA or ED 2 time frame.

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Anonymous wrote:NCS went 0/8 at Northwestern. Maret had 6 Northwestern admissions. Something is not working.

Northwestern is a tough one for NCS. They’re big on gpa. They admit a lot of TO students with high gpa’s. NCS students tend to be the opposite.

I’m a new poster on this thread. Two different friends are telling me their daughter’s colleges were not sent the first semester grades and new better gpa in time and they missed the deadline for EA or ED 2 time frame.

EA colleges never want senior year fall semester grades (the turn around is too tight for kids from ANY school). NCS grades came out Jan 17th so they just had this week to submit. It doesn't make any sense that this week would be too late for ED2. FCPS (for example) doesn't have fall semester grades available until early February.

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Anonymous wrote:NCS went 0/8 at Northwestern. Maret had 6 Northwestern admissions. Something is not working.

Northwestern is a tough one for NCS. They’re big on gpa. They admit a lot of TO students with high gpa’s. NCS students tend to be the opposite.

I’m a new poster on this thread. Two different friends are telling me their daughter’s colleges were not sent the first semester grades and new better gpa in time and they missed the deadline for EA or ED 2 time frame.

EA colleges never want senior year fall semester grades (the turn around is too tight for kids from ANY school). NCS grades came out Jan 17th so they just had this week to submit. It doesn't make any sense that this week would be too late for ED2. FCPS (for example) doesn't have fall semester grades available until early February.

Why are you on here writing no one wants to hear from you. Seriously. For many girls it could have made a difference to send those grades in as other schools sent them and even though they were not required. Fact.

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Anonymous wrote:NCS went 0/8 at Northwestern. Maret had 6 Northwestern admissions. Something is not working.

Northwestern is a tough one for NCS. They’re big on gpa. They admit a lot of TO students with high gpa’s. NCS students tend to be the opposite.

I’m a new poster on this thread. Two different friends are telling me their daughter’s colleges were not sent the first semester grades and new better gpa in time and they missed the deadline for EA or ED 2 time frame.

EA colleges never want senior year fall semester grades (the turn around is too tight for kids from ANY school). NCS grades came out Jan 17th so they just had this week to submit. It doesn't make any sense that this week would be too late for ED2. FCPS (for example) doesn't have fall semester grades available until early February.

Are you dense? of course it COULD matter. Some ED2s are coming out Feb. 1 or sooner.

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Anonymous wrote:NCS went 0/8 at Northwestern. Maret had 6 Northwestern admissions. Something is not working.

Northwestern is a tough one for NCS. They’re big on gpa. They admit a lot of TO students with high gpa’s. NCS students tend to be the opposite.

I’m a new poster on this thread. Two different friends are telling me their daughter’s colleges were not sent the first semester grades and new better gpa in time and they missed the deadline for EA or ED 2 time frame.

EA colleges never want senior year fall semester grades (the turn around is too tight for kids from ANY school). NCS grades came out Jan 17th so they just had this week to submit. It doesn't make any sense that this week would be too late for ED2. FCPS (for example) doesn't have fall semester grades available until early February.

Why are you on here writing no one wants to hear from you. Seriously. For many girls it could have made a difference to send those grades in as other schools sent them and even though they were not required. Fact.

Calm down. What do you want them to send if grades weren't available until last Friday? My reference point is FCPS and no grades are sent at all until early Feb there. I think most publics are the same--their fall semester isn't even over yet.

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Anonymous wrote:NCS went 0/8 at Northwestern. Maret had 6 Northwestern admissions. Something is not working.

Northwestern is a tough one for NCS. They’re big on gpa. They admit a lot of TO students with high gpa’s. NCS students tend to be the opposite.

I’m a new poster on this thread. Two different friends are telling me their daughter’s colleges were not sent the first semester grades and new better gpa in time and they missed the deadline for EA or ED 2 time frame.

EA colleges never want senior year fall semester grades (the turn around is too tight for kids from ANY school). NCS grades came out Jan 17th so they just had this week to submit. It doesn't make any sense that this week would be too late for ED2. FCPS (for example) doesn't have fall semester grades available until early February.

Why are you on here writing no one wants to hear from you. Seriously. For many girls it could have made a difference to send those grades in as other schools sent them and even though they were not required. Fact.

Calm down. What do you want them to send if grades weren't available until last Friday? My reference point is FCPS and no grades are sent at all until early Feb there. I think most publics are the same--their fall semester isn't even over yet.

No one cares about FCPS and their college admittance percentage is not in the same league.

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Anonymous wrote:NCS went 0/8 at Northwestern. Maret had 6 Northwestern admissions. Something is not working.

Northwestern is a tough one for NCS. They’re big on gpa. They admit a lot of TO students with high gpa’s. NCS students tend to be the opposite.

I’m a new poster on this thread. Two different friends are telling me their daughter’s colleges were not sent the first semester grades and new better gpa in time and they missed the deadline for EA or ED 2 time frame.

EA colleges never want senior year fall semester grades (the turn around is too tight for kids from ANY school). NCS grades came out Jan 17th so they just had this week to submit. It doesn't make any sense that this week would be too late for ED2. FCPS (for example) doesn't have fall semester grades available until early February.

Why are you on here writing no one wants to hear from you. Seriously. For many girls it could have made a difference to send those grades in as other schools sent them and even though they were not required. Fact.

Calm down. What do you want them to send if grades weren't available until last Friday? My reference point is FCPS and no grades are sent at all until early Feb there. I think most publics are the same--their fall semester isn't even over yet.

No one cares about FCPS and their college admittance percentage is not in the same league.

Actually, I've had kids at both and frankly it's pretty similar.

Not having fall grades is part of applying EA. I went to an information session at UVA a year ago and the admissions dean told the auditorium crowd: "if you feel that your application will be helped by us seeing fall senior grades, you should apply RD and not ED/EA".

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Anonymous wrote:NCS went 0/8 at Northwestern. Maret had 6 Northwestern admissions. Something is not working.

Northwestern is a tough one for NCS. They’re big on gpa. They admit a lot of TO students with high gpa’s. NCS students tend to be the opposite.

I’m a new poster on this thread. Two different friends are telling me their daughter’s colleges were not sent the first semester grades and new better gpa in time and they missed the deadline for EA or ED 2 time frame.

EA colleges never want senior year fall semester grades (the turn around is too tight for kids from ANY school). NCS grades came out Jan 17th so they just had this week to submit. It doesn't make any sense that this week would be too late for ED2. FCPS (for example) doesn't have fall semester grades available until early February.

You have no idea what you are talking about. No one cares about FCPS.

DP.

Some privates send in transcripts weeks ago for first semester and girls are going up against those girls. NCS is missing any advantage. They sent transcripts today and Michigan is being announced today.

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Anonymous wrote:NCS went 0/8 at Northwestern. Maret had 6 Northwestern admissions. Something is not working.

Northwestern is a tough one for NCS. They’re big on gpa. They admit a lot of TO students with high gpa’s. NCS students tend to be the opposite.

I’m a new poster on this thread. Two different friends are telling me their daughter’s colleges were not sent the first semester grades and new better gpa in time and they missed the deadline for EA or ED 2 time frame.

EA colleges never want senior year fall semester grades (the turn around is too tight for kids from ANY school). NCS grades came out Jan 17th so they just had this week to submit. It doesn't make any sense that this week would be too late for ED2. FCPS (for example) doesn't have fall semester grades available until early February.

You have no idea what you are talking about. No one cares about FCPS.

DP.

Some privates send in transcripts weeks ago for first semester and girls are going up against those girls. NCS is missing any advantage. They sent transcripts today and Michigan is being announced today.

Whether Michigan got fall grades on Tuesday vs today is simply not going to make a difference in today's decision. Plus (playing devil's advocate here) for every girl getting bumped up 0.02 from fall grades, there is likely one getting bumped down. This was my older kid during senior year (had a really hard senior fall).