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Has the Coalition for TJ (or any other groups) considered another lawsuit?
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Anonymous
It's more random than when you could buy the test answers, but it's more fair to base selection on actual merit rather than access to elite prep. |
Anonymous
It’s like you are ignoring the acceptance rates and enrollment numbers. No discrimination. |
Anonymous
Families who can afford thousands of dollars on test prep for a public high school program certainly are “wealthy” compared to those who can’t afford it. Wealthy families can and do buy their kids a leg up by paying for test prep, tutoring, special extracurricular activities, a home in a certain school district, admissions consulting, etc. All for a public high school program. It’s gross. I’m all for adding SOL scores as another criteria, but no more additional testing that can and will be “cracked” to give wealthy kids yet another advantage. |
Anonymous
Who was buying test answers? Your lies are so transparent. You don't like tests because you don't want stupid people to be at a disadvantage to smart people in an academic environment. |
Anonymous
You can be over-represented and discriminated against. In this case the discrimination is BECAUSE of the over-representation. Get a clue |
Anonymous
$625. That's what it costs to get prepped And that's not wealthy. If you can't afford that then you're not trying. There is more peer reviewed research supporting the validity of standardized tests than there is for global warming but people will insist on their narrative because they don't like the implications of where the truth leads. The notion that less common tests like SOLs are going to make prepping less valuable demonstrates how stupid you are. If you want fairer testing, then you should choose more transparent tests with more freely available prep. Don't make it harder to prep, make it easier. The PSATs really are the best answer. |
Anonymous
"Stupid"? Guess you resort to name calling when you get tired of repeating your off-base arguments again and again. You are intentionally deflecting from the fact that there are wealthy parents in FCPS/LCPS who do, in fact, pay thousands of dollars for TJ test prep. Are there other ways to prepare? Sure. But the intense, focused work by these specialists give those "lucky" kids a leg up. Money buys test prep, tutoring, special STEM activities, a home in the right school district, admissions counseling, etc. Parents have been shelling out cash for decades to game the system. Here's another take. Look at the % of economically-disadvantaged kids admitted before the admissions change. Less than 1% of the admitted students for the class of 2024 came from an ED family. Which group saw the largest increase in representation? Asian kids from ED families. |
Anonymous
The admissions process is race-blind. The acceptance rate for Asian students is higher than average. Asian students make up a huge majority of the students enrolled. The number of Asian students enrolled at TJ is at a near all-time high. The group that saw the most gains were Asian students from low-income families. The "admissions policy does not disparately impact Asian American students." There are real, serious issues with race and discrimination in the world. This is not one of them. |
Anonymous
I'm sorry, I shouldn't have said stupid. It is entirely possible that you are intentionally trying to mislead people, I should have included the possibility that you are lying. So you are either lying or stupid. Curie test prep is $300 not $7000. It is their Oh wait, is that because you are counting the tuition for the almost 200 sessions that students are attending over their middle school career at Curie as "test prep?" It seems pretty dishonest to characterize what is going on at curie over almost 200 sessions as TJ test prep. You are making statements without evidence. What evidence do you have that expensive tutors are much better at test prep than more affordable options? Principia tutors are probably one of the more pricey tutoring options in the area. Their test prep is $1400. What evidence do you have that their test prep is any better than the $625 option from fairfaxcollegiate? Or any worse than the $2400 option from TJTestPrep? Or any different than the $200 online courses? I have no doubt that some test prep to familiarize yourself with the timing and structure of the test but if the "prep" is making you better at math, then it is not prep. If the "prep" is improving your critical reading skills, then it is not prep. Like I said, there is literally more peer reviewed research supporting the validity of standardized testing (including the recent research that is the driving force behind selective school going back to test required) than there is for global warming. You are no better than a global warming denialist. The fact that you are spreading these lies (intentionally or not) in pursuit of "social justice" makes it no less deceitful or ignorant. The recent harvard study compared the academic performance of wealthy kids against poor kids with the same SAT score at selective schools. If expensive test prep was the driving force behind the SAT scores and they didn't reflect some real measure of cognitive ability, you would expect the poor kids to do better than the wealthy kids who had access to more test prep. But they do not. The wealthy kids do just as well as the poor kids. Of all the criteria you can use to determine admissions, tests are the least subject to wealth, this is why the science high schools in NYC (Stuyvesant/Bronx Science/Brooklyn Tech) are majority FARM. I am not sure that we should be degrading the merit filter to increase economic diversity (there is something to be said for an institution that is based solely on merit like the science high schools in NYC where most of the kids are on FARM), but if so then we should be reducing the merit filter only for the underprivileged kids. Instead we are removing the merit filter for everyone and this has resulted in the largest population increase being white kids, the wealthiest demographic in fairfax. |
Anonymous
Grandfather clauses were race blind. Facially neutral criteria can be racist. Over-representation is the reason for the discrimination. If asians weren't over-represented, nobody would have wanted to change the admissions criteria. The group that saw the largest gain were white kids, the wealthiest group in fairfax. The change in admission policy absolutely has a disparate impact on asians. This is definitely one of the serious issues with racism in this world. The fact that it doesn't bother people like you is even more evidence that this is a serious issue. |
Anonymous
Not at all. It means they didn't have money to pay for the tutor to prep for the test. We have been down this road before. Just because you have the $1000 tutor in Ashburn to prep you and your family members does not make you more competent. |
Anonymous
No reasonable person would call it discrimination. There are groups who actually could legitimately claim discrimination and disparate impact by admissions - and they aren't Asian students. The issue wasn't Asian overrepresentation; it was the underrepresentation of other groups. They wanted to expand access to more kids, not exclude anyone. That's why they added seats. If they simply wanted to get rid of Asian students then they wouldn't have changed the number of seats. There are just as many Asian students enrolled as ever before. Again: - The admissions process is race-blind. - The acceptance rate for Asian students is higher than average. - Asian students make up a huge majority of the students enrolled. - The number of Asian students enrolled at TJ is at a near all-time high. - The group that saw the most gains were Asian students from low-income families. Judge: "admissions policy does not disparately impact Asian American students." |
Anonymous
Of course it does. This has been established by more research than we have for global warming. A really shoddy study out of chicago a few years ago created an iota of doubt and people ran with it and started saying that tests only measured wealth. Then Harvard and Brown did more research and concluded that at the high end of the scale, test scores are valid regardless of income. That is why Brown is going back to test required. https://opportunityinsights.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/01/SAT_ACT_on_Grades.pdf |
Anonymous
And yet all the evidence from the Harvard SFFA case says otherwise. If you don't think asians were discriminated against then you are lying to yourself.
There are fewer asians and the percentage of asians (AND ONLY ASIANS) in the entering class plummeted. Black enrollment went up, hispanic enrollment went up, white enrollment went up. This was by design.
Arlington Heights analysis is pretty clear on how this case should have been decided. That judge doesn't understand disparate impact. By their reckoning disparate impact cannot apply to any group that is over-represented. Supreme Court Justice: "The Fourth Circuit’s decision is based on a theory that is flagrantly wrong and should not be allowed to stand." "What the Fourth Circuit majority held, in essence, is that intentional racial discrimination is constitutional so long as it is not too severe. This reasoning is indefensible, and it cries out for correction." |
Anonymous
Harvard admissions is a different beast and not comparable. TJ admissions is race blind. The number of Asian students enrolled in TJ has not significantly changed. No reasonable person, or non-corrupt justice, would believe this is "harm": 
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