2024 JonBenet Documentary

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Anonymous wrote:Former BFFs of the Ramseys wrote a long letter attributing the "failure of justice" to the corruption of the Boulder PD and the AG's office, but most of all to the Ramseys' failure to cooperate with authorities.

https://extras.denverpost.com/news/whiteltr.htm


They called for the Ramsey indictment to be unsealed, clearly think their former friends did it.

Eye opening letter. It's dry and hard to follow, but accuses the well-connected Ramsey legal team of using their influence and connections to throw up road blocks in the murder investigation. The authors even use the term "malfeasance" when outlining how the political establishment up to the Governor of Colorado and the prosecutors worked together to muddy the waters. The authors are careful to state how law enforcement worked hard to solve the case, but political machinations hampered their efforts.

You'd think the parents would have been in agony, believing their child's murderer was still out there. But never seemed to be. They obstructed the investigation at every turn.

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Anonymous wrote:Who did it?

The most plausible theory is that Burke whacked her on the back of her head (had hit her before), maybe while she was eating his pineapple. She was dead or half-dead, Burke played doctor with her body. Patty found JB and staged the body to look like an intruder had taken her to the basement, to protect Burke and the family reputation. Then wrote the ransom note and called the police. John may or may not have been involved.

It's the only scenario that makes some kind of sense, not that any of it makes any kind of sense. But there is no evidence of an intruder, and the tiny amount of DNA is probably from the manufacturing of the underwear. So all points to the family.

Also the fact that the ransom note said a call would come at x time and both parents were oblivious when x time came and went.

I wouldn't believe any police officer who talked about how John and Patsy were acting that day. The police had already decided they were guilty and were seeing everything through that lens. We don't actually know that the parents were "oblivious" when the time on the ransom note came, because the only people reporting that are the Boulder police, and everything they say is tainted.

This is the central problem with the case. The Boulder police were so deeply biased to the point where it seems unhinged. That guy Steve Thomas actually wrote a book a few years after saying Patsy did it. One of his reasons was that she was upset about her recent 40th birthday and she was and I quote “frazzled@ from the holidays.

The misogyny and cluelessness of that statement. Patsy had recovered from stage four ovarian cancer with two young kids - she knew she didn’t probably have a lot of time left. The audacity of saying she was so upset over turning 40 and the dress of the holidays that she killed and then staged a sadistic sex assault is bonkers.

I agree with you 100%. Steve Thomas is shameful.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Former BFFs of the Ramseys wrote a long letter attributing the "failure of justice" to the corruption of the Boulder PD and the AG's office, but most of all to the Ramseys' failure to cooperate with authorities.

https://extras.denverpost.com/news/whiteltr.htm


They called for the Ramsey indictment to be unsealed, clearly think their former friends did it.

Eye opening letter. It's dry and hard to follow, but accuses the well-connected Ramsey legal team of using their influence and connections to throw up road blocks in the murder investigation. The authors even use the term "malfeasance" when outlining how the political establishment up to the Governor of Colorado and the prosecutors worked together to muddy the waters. The authors are careful to state how law enforcement worked hard to solve the case, but political machinations hampered their efforts.

You'd think the parents would have been in agony, believing their child's murderer was still out there. But never seemed to be. They obstructed the investigation at every turn.

They did what anyone would do if they were the prime suspect, according to the police, in a crime they didn’t commit. Why would you help the police in that case if the were going the wrong direction? Of course they lawyered up.

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Anonymous wrote:Aerospace enhanced that 911 call. This to is very damming to the Ramseys:

Here is what the Aerospace Corporation found in their analysis of that 911 call, “Enhancement of the tape reveals Burke’s voice in the background, asking his parents ‘What did you find?’,” the paper writes. “John Ramsey allegedly can be heard shouting to Burke, ‘We are not talking to you,’ and Patsy shouts ‘Oh my Jesus, oh my Jesus.'”

People are so dumb

I don't believe any of this. You're telling me Patsy discovered the body, cleaned her child up and/or desecrated her by performing heinous acts on her dead body, staged the scene in the basement, then wrote a long ransom note, then waited until morning to call 911, and at that very instant when she's on the phone with 911, she and/or John confronted Burke about what they "found"?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Former BFFs of the Ramseys wrote a long letter attributing the "failure of justice" to the corruption of the Boulder PD and the AG's office, but most of all to the Ramseys' failure to cooperate with authorities.

https://extras.denverpost.com/news/whiteltr.htm


They called for the Ramsey indictment to be unsealed, clearly think their former friends did it.

Eye opening letter. It's dry and hard to follow, but accuses the well-connected Ramsey legal team of using their influence and connections to throw up road blocks in the murder investigation. The authors even use the term "malfeasance" when outlining how the political establishment up to the Governor of Colorado and the prosecutors worked together to muddy the waters. The authors are careful to state how law enforcement worked hard to solve the case, but political machinations hampered their efforts.

You'd think the parents would have been in agony, believing their child's murderer was still out there. But never seemed to be. They obstructed the investigation at every turn.

They did what anyone would do if they were the prime suspect, according to the police, in a crime they didn’t commit. Why would you help the police in that case if the were going the wrong direction? Of course they lawyered up.

It was clear from day one the police decided to pin it on them. They were likely embarrassed that they contaminated the crime scene, thinking it was a kidnapping when it was not. It’s a wealthy community and people wanted the case solved.

The Ramseys hired top defense attorneys because they’re wealthy and that’s what anyone with half a brain who could afford it would do. The attorneys advised them not to talk to police. The one lawyer said there are a ton of innocent people in prison because they decided to talk to the police.

I think a lot of people deep down, want it to be the parents because it’s agonizing to think that maybe parents who did mostly the right things, but made a few mistakes like possibly exposing their daughter to more pedophiles than she normally she would’ve been exposed because of the pageant and things could have something like this happen to them. It’s why when somebody finds out someone has lung cancer immediately they want to know did you smoke people don’t like to think you can do mostly the right things and have something upsetting like this happen.

[Anonymous]

The intruder theory is hard to buy because of the extended timeline. JB was alive for 45 mins to 2 hours after the blow to the head, then the garrote was used. And an intruder hung around to write a long "ransom" note when the child was dead and the body still in the house? With three other people in the house? Thought to retrieve a blanket from the drier to wrap up the body? Why would an intruder even look in the drier? It makes zero sense. Only Patsy would have thought to do that, likely after finding the body.

The CBS special showing how exactly the toy train track pins lined up with the marks on JB's body (which did not fit with taser marks) first made me believe it was not an intruder. The brother accidentally killing her then not understanding what he'd done is what makes the most sense to me. But there is not enough conclusive evidence to try this case successfully. Nothing adds up perfectly.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The intruder theory is hard to buy because of the extended timeline. JB was alive for 45 mins to 2 hours after the blow to the head, then the garrote was used. And an intruder hung around to write a long "ransom" note when the child was dead and the body still in the house? With three other people in the house? Thought to retrieve a blanket from the drier to wrap up the body? Why would an intruder even look in the drier? It makes zero sense. Only Patsy would have thought to do that, likely after finding the body.

The CBS special showing how exactly the toy train track pins lined up with the marks on JB's body (which did not fit with taser marks) first made me believe it was not an intruder. The brother accidentally killing her then not understanding what he'd done is what makes the most sense to me. But there is not enough conclusive evidence to try this case successfully. Nothing adds up perfectly.

It’s as hard to believe as the mother or a little boy did it. Neither makes a lot of sense.

[Anonymous]

I find all of these scenarios so terrible and all hard to believe in different ways. but I'm wondering why the dad wanted to do the documentary now, after all these years? what would his motivation be at this point?

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What if an enemy did it. Someone who wanted to destroy the Ramseys. Maybe it was the work of a corporate competitor.

Perhaps the individual acquired a key to the house, and had entered the house earlier to collect the paper and pen from the kitchen drawers. If it was done by professionals, they would have known what they were doing.

Or maybe it was a deeply competitive and jealous fake friend. Someone with a mental disorder capable of desecrating the body of a little girl.

Just throwing out other possibilities. I read too many books.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The intruder theory is hard to buy because of the extended timeline. JB was alive for 45 mins to 2 hours after the blow to the head, then the garrote was used. And an intruder hung around to write a long "ransom" note when the child was dead and the body still in the house? With three other people in the house? Thought to retrieve a blanket from the drier to wrap up the body? Why would an intruder even look in the drier? It makes zero sense. Only Patsy would have thought to do that, likely after finding the body.

The CBS special showing how exactly the toy train track pins lined up with the marks on JB's body (which did not fit with taser marks) first made me believe it was not an intruder. The brother accidentally killing her then not understanding what he'd done is what makes the most sense to me. But there is not enough conclusive evidence to try this case successfully. Nothing adds up perfectly.

I think the garrote has always been the biggest question. Because it was made with materials in the house, and again would have taken time. Burke in his interview said something about one of his Swiss army knives having a hook that "helped tied knots." So maybe he could have tied the knots but it is very hard to believe a 9 year old boy would have thought to fashion a garrote. And JB was alive until the garrote was used. It's all just so weird.

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I honestly can't believe anyone still cares about this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The intruder theory is hard to buy because of the extended timeline. JB was alive for 45 mins to 2 hours after the blow to the head, then the garrote was used. And an intruder hung around to write a long "ransom" note when the child was dead and the body still in the house? With three other people in the house? Thought to retrieve a blanket from the drier to wrap up the body? Why would an intruder even look in the drier? It makes zero sense. Only Patsy would have thought to do that, likely after finding the body.

The CBS special showing how exactly the toy train track pins lined up with the marks on JB's body (which did not fit with taser marks) first made me believe it was not an intruder. The brother accidentally killing her then not understanding what he'd done is what makes the most sense to me. But there is not enough conclusive evidence to try this case successfully. Nothing adds up perfectly.

How do we know the note was written after?!?! The serial rapist in the boulder area liked to break on to empty houses and hang out for hours, hide, and strike when everyone was asleep. How do we know this person didn’t have 4 hours or so in the house? How do we know he hadn’t been stalking them and breaking in before to roam around the house?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The intruder theory is hard to buy because of the extended timeline. JB was alive for 45 mins to 2 hours after the blow to the head, then the garrote was used. And an intruder hung around to write a long "ransom" note when the child was dead and the body still in the house? With three other people in the house? Thought to retrieve a blanket from the drier to wrap up the body? Why would an intruder even look in the drier? It makes zero sense. Only Patsy would have thought to do that, likely after finding the body.

The CBS special showing how exactly the toy train track pins lined up with the marks on JB's body (which did not fit with taser marks) first made me believe it was not an intruder. The brother accidentally killing her then not understanding what he'd done is what makes the most sense to me. But there is not enough conclusive evidence to try this case successfully. Nothing adds up perfectly.

I think the garrote has always been the biggest question. Because it was made with materials in the house, and again would have taken time. Burke in his interview said something about one of his Swiss army knives having a hook that "helped tied knots." So maybe he could have tied the knots but it is very hard to believe a 9 year old boy would have thought to fashion a garrote. And JB was alive until the garrote was used. It's all just so weird.

Supposedly it wasn't really a garrote. That Burke might have fashioned to drag the body to hide it because he was afraid of getting in trouble. Thinking she was dead after he poked her with the train tracks and "played doctor" with the paint brush. It was made with a simple slip knot, which he would have learned in sailing if not Scouts. This theory is that it wasn't meant as a torture or killing instrument.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The intruder theory is hard to buy because of the extended timeline. JB was alive for 45 mins to 2 hours after the blow to the head, then the garrote was used. And an intruder hung around to write a long "ransom" note when the child was dead and the body still in the house? With three other people in the house? Thought to retrieve a blanket from the drier to wrap up the body? Why would an intruder even look in the drier? It makes zero sense. Only Patsy would have thought to do that, likely after finding the body.

The CBS special showing how exactly the toy train track pins lined up with the marks on JB's body (which did not fit with taser marks) first made me believe it was not an intruder. The brother accidentally killing her then not understanding what he'd done is what makes the most sense to me. But there is not enough conclusive evidence to try this case successfully. Nothing adds up perfectly.

I think the garrote has always been the biggest question. Because it was made with materials in the house, and again would have taken time. Burke in his interview said something about one of his Swiss army knives having a hook that "helped tied knots." So maybe he could have tied the knots but it is very hard to believe a 9 year old boy would have thought to fashion a garrote. And JB was alive until the garrote was used. It's all just so weird.

Supposedly it wasn't really a garrote. That Burke might have fashioned to drag the body to hide it because he was afraid of getting in trouble. Thinking she was dead after he poked her with the train tracks and "played doctor" with the paint brush. It was made with a simple slip knot, which he would have learned in sailing if not Scouts. This theory is that it wasn't meant as a torture or killing instrument.

There was a theory that she was hit on the head with a large flashlight. Was there one in the house, and was it tested?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The intruder theory is hard to buy because of the extended timeline. JB was alive for 45 mins to 2 hours after the blow to the head, then the garrote was used. And an intruder hung around to write a long "ransom" note when the child was dead and the body still in the house? With three other people in the house? Thought to retrieve a blanket from the drier to wrap up the body? Why would an intruder even look in the drier? It makes zero sense. Only Patsy would have thought to do that, likely after finding the body.

The CBS special showing how exactly the toy train track pins lined up with the marks on JB's body (which did not fit with taser marks) first made me believe it was not an intruder. The brother accidentally killing her then not understanding what he'd done is what makes the most sense to me. But there is not enough conclusive evidence to try this case successfully. Nothing adds up perfectly.

I think the garrote has always been the biggest question. Because it was made with materials in the house, and again would have taken time. Burke in his interview said something about one of his Swiss army knives having a hook that "helped tied knots." So maybe he could have tied the knots but it is very hard to believe a 9 year old boy would have thought to fashion a garrote. And JB was alive until the garrote was used. It's all just so weird.

Supposedly it wasn't really a garrote. That Burke might have fashioned to drag the body to hide it because he was afraid of getting in trouble. Thinking she was dead after he poked her with the train tracks and "played doctor" with the paint brush. It was made with a simple slip knot, which he would have learned in sailing if not Scouts. This theory is that it wasn't meant as a torture or killing instrument.

There was a theory that she was hit on the head with a large flashlight. Was there one in the house, and was it tested?

There was one and it was tested, but John Ramsey said it didn't belong to the family. Possibly a cop had set it down and left it. Other theories are that Burke's baseball bat or a gold club was used. I don't think they ever worked it out with any specificity.