Time to come together and move forward as one nation

[Anonymous]

Umm, NO. I’m not forgiving nor forgetting. And they can shove their false claims of unity. I’m not listening, considering, nor buying. I give zero cares of what Jesus would do. I never professed to be Jesus nor have his patience and temperament for BS and lies. I will not be helping to mend that division or fence. I’d be perfectly fine with two different nations at this point.

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Anonymous wrote:I, for one, am tired of the divisive rhetoric and negativity of the past few months on media (of all types).

Let’s now put all that behind us and work together, as one nation, to make America a better place; a place our children and grandchildren will be even more proud to call home.

Who’s with me?

We have a president who has no interest in what is best for America, or in making it a better place. This is a time for resistance, not naivete.

+1. A lot of posters on this board come across as rather naïve. Remember when Trump lost, he instigated an insurrection during which people were killed. And yet you now want me to hug, hold hands and sing Kumbaya with you after you voted him in, again?!

I will neither forget, nor forgive. This is my children’s future you are f’ing up. And my planet’s. May a hurricane or a pregnant teen daughter or a job loss show you what you just voted against and what happens when the social networks you so despise are pulled from under your feet. That is my wish, not unity with bigots, egotists and dummies.

So what exactly do you propose doing - start a civil war? The people voted - a majority popular vote decided to back Republican right-leaning political policies and values. I'm sorry you don't agree with them. But aside from starting a civil war, the only only actual path forward is for you to focus on putting forth a viable Dem nominee in 2028. This is what a democracy is.

But as someone who voted for Harris as an anti-Trumper (but still in favor of more Republican right-leaning political policies and values), if the Dems don't do some soul searching and put forth a more moderate candidate in 2028 I'll likely vote blue as I'm sure Trump won't be a candidate.

Civil war is what the MAGAs wanted when they didn't get their way.

Why is it that only Democrats are ever expected to be the grownups in the room?

The majority of Republicans were grownups in 2020, but you only paid attention to the fringe MAGA group who participated in J6. You then blamed J6 on the entire Republican party and proceeded to demonize the entire Republican party as racist and bigoted.

When many, many of your party leaders affirm the lie that the election was stolen, you don't get to claim that J6 was "fringe". When your party line is that immigrants are animals who eat pets and are all rapists and murders and are to blame for all the country's ills and any basic attempts to acknowledge and address the consequences of racism in this country are all "woke", well, you are racist and bigoted.

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Anonymous wrote:I have no trouble believing Trump was legitimately elected.

But no, I'm not going to "come together" with people who think that I don't deserve to make healthcare decisions about my own body or think that their right to own an AR 15 is more important than my and my children's right to not get randomly shot in public.

I'm sorry, I just can't "come together" with people who believe those things.

What's the alternative? Fight them? Despise them? Deplore them?

How will any of those options improve things?

My suggestion: talk to them, listen to them, and find areas where you do agree. Find common ground where it exists and gain mutual understanding where it doesn't.

THAT is the path forward to a better nation.

--Harris voter who has lived in the bluest and reddest parts of America (happily)

Hard Pass. I don't need a$$holes as friends. Coming around to their way of thinking (what you think I should do) is not going to "improve" things either.

You missed the point entirely.

1. I’m not talking about being “friends”. I’m talking about interacting.

2. I’m not talking about “coming around to their way of thinking”. I’m talking about understanding their way of thinking and explaining yours.

You want to make things better and/or get your way politically?

You’d better find allies, forge consensus, and compromise.

MAGA abhor compromise. Where was the compromise when Biden won? Didn't see any? No? That's right, you didn't. You saw an insurrection and constant vitriol and obstruction.

*You* voted for this acrimony. Live with it.

*I* voted for Harris. And Obama. And Clinton. And Biden.

*I* don’t live in a blue bubble.

*I* DGAF about who started it or who’s more awful or who hurt whose feelings.

*I* DO want to win and I never want to see a national MAGA candidate elected again.

*You’d* apparently rather be outraged than sully yourself by actually doing the work to understand and persuade people.

Persuade them with what? Please do tell us how we can get through to the MAGA faithful when they are so deeply, deeply invested in Trump's hateful lies? Please share this amazing wisdom you have that no one has figured out before now. HOW WILL YOU GET THEM OUT OF THEIR BUBBLE? I ask you seriously. Lay it out.

Sully myself? I'm in a bubble? Why? Because I read multiple news sources and think critically about the world?
Because I judge people by their words and actions? I would sully myself if I capitulate to those hateful lies. I will not go along with their hateful nonsense.

You act as though these MAGA people will come to the table to discuss things in good faith. I think you are a fool. Won't ever happen.

“Persuade them with what?”

That question literally says it all. You don’t know enough about these people to even know who they are or what they care about.

Start there.

And yes, you should literally sit down at the table with some Trump voters. I think you’ll be surprised at how uninvested most of them are in his most hateful and egregious positions.

This isn’t about “capitulating”. Quite the opposite: it’s about winning.

Perhaps you should apply your undoubtedly elite critical thinking skills to that goal. Seems more productive than performative outrage.

—Harris voter who also voraciously consumes media, thinks critically, has multiple advanced degrees from “elite” institutions

For someone who claims to be about listening and understanding and moving forward, you are unrelentingly condescending and rude. I'm sure the MAGA voters will just love having you talk down to them. You didn't answer my question, because of your *inaccurate*, knee jerk reaction to "Persuade them with what?" There is an elitist in this conversation and it's not me.

I have listened to them. Over and over again for eight years. "Persuade them with what" refers to the fact that, though they say they care about immigration and the economy first and foremost, they have shown with their votes that they aren't really interested in any factually-based discussion or feasible answers on how to deal with those things. How do you bring these people back to the table to discuss real solutions when they won't even agree on the facts of what is happening? When they prefer the lies and scapegoating of Trump? Are you suggesting we listen again to these complaints we have all HEARD A MILLION TIMES and then lie to them in the same way Trump does? That immigrants are all rapists and murders who are stealing their jobs? That mass deportation of immigrants will solve all their problems? That tariffs are the way to address inflation? He said those things and they voted "yes".

After you listen to all these grievances that we are all really, really, really familiar with by now (if you actually do consume news from multiple sources), what will you say? How will you counteract the misinformation? How will you "win"? Are you going to pat them on the hand and tell them about your degrees from "elite" institutions?

You get it now?

I actually just mimicked your approach by pointing out my information level and ability to process complex information.

Your reaction? You found me condescending and rude.

That was precisely the point. That’s exactly how educated elites in the bubble come across.

As for your substantive points, you can’t read about people, you need to know them and vice versa.

I had lunch with a Trump voter last week. Didn’t change his vote for President, but did persuade him to vote for the abortion referendum on the ballot in his state.

How? By presenting him with facts about the effect of the referendum and talking about my daughters and what it means to them.

Information, persuasion, respect, relationships, and willingness to listen with an open mind work on an individual level.

On a macro level, you’re right about the issues they care most about: inflation and the economy.

Dems should have hammered the (inflationary) tariff proposal. And Trump’s work in killing the immigration bill.

But were these the main points of emphasis? No. What did we hear instead? Fascism, dog eating, garbage, etc., with a dose of “the economy is great” to boot.

Reflects a party-wide inability to communicate with people.

The disconnect is startling.

Your turn. Since you clearly view these people as irredeemable idiots, how exactly do YOU propose to win a national election?

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Anonymous wrote:I, for one, am tired of the divisive rhetoric and negativity of the past few months on media (of all types).

Let’s now put all that behind us and work together, as one nation, to make America a better place; a place our children and grandchildren will be even more proud to call home.

Who’s with me?

We have a president who has no interest in what is best for America, or in making it a better place. This is a time for resistance, not naivete.

+1. A lot of posters on this board come across as rather naïve. Remember when Trump lost, he instigated an insurrection during which people were killed. And yet you now want me to hug, hold hands and sing Kumbaya with you after you voted him in, again?!

I will neither forget, nor forgive. This is my children’s future you are f’ing up. And my planet’s. May a hurricane or a pregnant teen daughter or a job loss show you what you just voted against and what happens when the social networks you so despise are pulled from under your feet. That is my wish, not unity with bigots, egotists and dummies.

Speaking of naive, how exactly do you propose protecting the future?

Stow your emotions and start thinking about how to win.

Seems to me winning requires getting more votes. Where/how do you propose acquiring them?

First of all, you don't need more votes than 4 years before- you just need more votes than your opponent. Some of this problem will be addressed by old people dying off.

Second, there's a pretty clear lesson that Americans are simply too sexist to vote for a woman. I thought we were past that point, but obviously not. The democrats need to stick with men- preferably white men.

Have you looked at the Gen Z vote trends?

And lemme get this straight, rather than work on policy/issue-based persuasion, you’d rather limit D candidates based on gender and race?

Doesn’t sound particularly sensible.

Gen Z votes Democrat at a higher level than any other age group.

“ Voters under age 30 represent a fraction of the total electorate, but about half of them supported Harris. That’s compared to the roughly 6 in 10 who backed Biden in 2020. Slightly more than 4 in 10 young voters went for Trump, up from about one-third in 2020.”

https://apnews.com/article/trump-harris-presidential-election-takeaways-d0e4677f4cd53b4d2d8d18d674be5bf4

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Anonymous wrote:I have no trouble believing Trump was legitimately elected.

But no, I'm not going to "come together" with people who think that I don't deserve to make healthcare decisions about my own body or think that their right to own an AR 15 is more important than my and my children's right to not get randomly shot in public.

I'm sorry, I just can't "come together" with people who believe those things.

What's the alternative? Fight them? Despise them? Deplore them?

How will any of those options improve things?

My suggestion: talk to them, listen to them, and find areas where you do agree. Find common ground where it exists and gain mutual understanding where it doesn't.

THAT is the path forward to a better nation.

--Harris voter who has lived in the bluest and reddest parts of America (happily)

Hard Pass. I don't need a$$holes as friends. Coming around to their way of thinking (what you think I should do) is not going to "improve" things either.

You missed the point entirely.

1. I’m not talking about being “friends”. I’m talking about interacting.

2. I’m not talking about “coming around to their way of thinking”. I’m talking about understanding their way of thinking and explaining yours.

You want to make things better and/or get your way politically?

You’d better find allies, forge consensus, and compromise.

MAGA abhor compromise. Where was the compromise when Biden won? Didn't see any? No? That's right, you didn't. You saw an insurrection and constant vitriol and obstruction.

*You* voted for this acrimony. Live with it.

*I* voted for Harris. And Obama. And Clinton. And Biden.

*I* don’t live in a blue bubble.

*I* DGAF about who started it or who’s more awful or who hurt whose feelings.

*I* DO want to win and I never want to see a national MAGA candidate elected again.

*You’d* apparently rather be outraged than sully yourself by actually doing the work to understand and persuade people.

Persuade them with what? Please do tell us how we can get through to the MAGA faithful when they are so deeply, deeply invested in Trump's hateful lies? Please share this amazing wisdom you have that no one has figured out before now. HOW WILL YOU GET THEM OUT OF THEIR BUBBLE? I ask you seriously. Lay it out.

Sully myself? I'm in a bubble? Why? Because I read multiple news sources and think critically about the world?
Because I judge people by their words and actions? I would sully myself if I capitulate to those hateful lies. I will not go along with their hateful nonsense.

You act as though these MAGA people will come to the table to discuss things in good faith. I think you are a fool. Won't ever happen.

“Persuade them with what?”

That question literally says it all. You don’t know enough about these people to even know who they are or what they care about.

Start there.

And yes, you should literally sit down at the table with some Trump voters. I think you’ll be surprised at how uninvested most of them are in his most hateful and egregious positions.

This isn’t about “capitulating”. Quite the opposite: it’s about winning.

Perhaps you should apply your undoubtedly elite critical thinking skills to that goal. Seems more productive than performative outrage.

—Harris voter who also voraciously consumes media, thinks critically, has multiple advanced degrees from “elite” institutions

For someone who claims to be about listening and understanding and moving forward, you are unrelentingly condescending and rude. I'm sure the MAGA voters will just love having you talk down to them. You didn't answer my question, because of your *inaccurate*, knee jerk reaction to "Persuade them with what?" There is an elitist in this conversation and it's not me.

I have listened to them. Over and over again for eight years. "Persuade them with what" refers to the fact that, though they say they care about immigration and the economy first and foremost, they have shown with their votes that they aren't really interested in any factually-based discussion or feasible answers on how to deal with those things. How do you bring these people back to the table to discuss real solutions when they won't even agree on the facts of what is happening? When they prefer the lies and scapegoating of Trump? Are you suggesting we listen again to these complaints we have all HEARD A MILLION TIMES and then lie to them in the same way Trump does? That immigrants are all rapists and murders who are stealing their jobs? That mass deportation of immigrants will solve all their problems? That tariffs are the way to address inflation? He said those things and they voted "yes".

After you listen to all these grievances that we are all really, really, really familiar with by now (if you actually do consume news from multiple sources), what will you say? How will you counteract the misinformation? How will you "win"? Are you going to pat them on the hand and tell them about your degrees from "elite" institutions?

You get it now?

I actually just mimicked your approach by pointing out my information level and ability to process complex information.

Your reaction? You found me condescending and rude.

That was precisely the point. That’s exactly how educated elites in the bubble come across.

As for your substantive points, you can’t read about people, you need to know them and vice versa.

I had lunch with a Trump voter last week. Didn’t change his vote for President, but did persuade him to vote for the abortion referendum on the ballot in his state.

How? By presenting him with facts about the effect of the referendum and talking about my daughters and what it means to them.

Information, persuasion, respect, relationships, and willingness to listen with an open mind work on an individual level.

On a macro level, you’re right about the issues they care most about: inflation and the economy.

Dems should have hammered the (inflationary) tariff proposal. And Trump’s work in killing the immigration bill.

But were these the main points of emphasis? No. What did we hear instead? Fascism, dog eating, garbage, etc., with a dose of “the economy is great” to boot.

Reflects a party-wide inability to communicate with people.

The disconnect is startling.

Your turn. Since you clearly view these people as irredeemable idiots, how exactly do YOU propose to win a national election?

NP. If you can't dazzle with brilliance then baffle with bull $&it! I had to put high top boots on to read your screed above.

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Anonymous wrote:I, for one, am tired of the divisive rhetoric and negativity of the past few months on media (of all types).

Let’s now put all that behind us and work together, as one nation, to make America a better place; a place our children and grandchildren will be even more proud to call home.

Who’s with me?

We have a president who has no interest in what is best for America, or in making it a better place. This is a time for resistance, not naivete.

+1. A lot of posters on this board come across as rather naïve. Remember when Trump lost, he instigated an insurrection during which people were killed. And yet you now want me to hug, hold hands and sing Kumbaya with you after you voted him in, again?!

I will neither forget, nor forgive. This is my children’s future you are f’ing up. And my planet’s. May a hurricane or a pregnant teen daughter or a job loss show you what you just voted against and what happens when the social networks you so despise are pulled from under your feet. That is my wish, not unity with bigots, egotists and dummies.

Speaking of naive, how exactly do you propose protecting the future?

Stow your emotions and start thinking about how to win.

Seems to me winning requires getting more votes. Where/how do you propose acquiring them?

First of all, you don't need more votes than 4 years before- you just need more votes than your opponent. Some of this problem will be addressed by old people dying off.

Second, there's a pretty clear lesson that Americans are simply too sexist to vote for a woman. I thought we were past that point, but obviously not. The democrats need to stick with men- preferably white men.

Have you looked at the Gen Z vote trends?

And lemme get this straight, rather than work on policy/issue-based persuasion, you’d rather limit D candidates based on gender and race?

Doesn’t sound particularly sensible.

Gen Z votes Democrat at a higher level than any other age group.

“ Voters under age 30 represent a fraction of the total electorate, but about half of them supported Harris. That’s compared to the roughly 6 in 10 who backed Biden in 2020. Slightly more than 4 in 10 young voters went for Trump, up from about one-third in 2020.”

https://apnews.com/article/trump-harris-presidential-election-takeaways-d0e4677f4cd53b4d2d8d18d674be5bf4

Compare the age groups to each other. They're the bluest of the age groups.

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Anonymous wrote:I, for one, am tired of the divisive rhetoric and negativity of the past few months on media (of all types).

Let’s now put all that behind us and work together, as one nation, to make America a better place; a place our children and grandchildren will be even more proud to call home.

Who’s with me?

I honestly think that this is going to happen. The departure of Dan Snyder and the success of Jayden Daniels will lift everybody's spirits in Washington, because pride in a successful football team is so deeply ingrained in DC culture. This leads everyone in government with a more optimistic outlook, causing people from both sides to be more willing to work together and compromise. This results in better outcomes and stronger policies for everyone.

Trump naturally will be opportunistic and take credit for this phenomenon which would be happening completely independently of him. Nevertheless, he will be seen as a successful president even if he won't deserve it.

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Anonymous wrote:I have no trouble believing Trump was legitimately elected.

But no, I'm not going to "come together" with people who think that I don't deserve to make healthcare decisions about my own body or think that their right to own an AR 15 is more important than my and my children's right to not get randomly shot in public.

I'm sorry, I just can't "come together" with people who believe those things.

What's the alternative? Fight them? Despise them? Deplore them?

How will any of those options improve things?

My suggestion: talk to them, listen to them, and find areas where you do agree. Find common ground where it exists and gain mutual understanding where it doesn't.

THAT is the path forward to a better nation.

--Harris voter who has lived in the bluest and reddest parts of America (happily)

Hard Pass. I don't need a$$holes as friends. Coming around to their way of thinking (what you think I should do) is not going to "improve" things either.

You missed the point entirely.

1. I’m not talking about being “friends”. I’m talking about interacting.

2. I’m not talking about “coming around to their way of thinking”. I’m talking about understanding their way of thinking and explaining yours.

You want to make things better and/or get your way politically?

You’d better find allies, forge consensus, and compromise.

MAGA abhor compromise. Where was the compromise when Biden won? Didn't see any? No? That's right, you didn't. You saw an insurrection and constant vitriol and obstruction.

*You* voted for this acrimony. Live with it.

*I* voted for Harris. And Obama. And Clinton. And Biden.

*I* don’t live in a blue bubble.

*I* DGAF about who started it or who’s more awful or who hurt whose feelings.

*I* DO want to win and I never want to see a national MAGA candidate elected again.

*You’d* apparently rather be outraged than sully yourself by actually doing the work to understand and persuade people.

Persuade them with what? Please do tell us how we can get through to the MAGA faithful when they are so deeply, deeply invested in Trump's hateful lies? Please share this amazing wisdom you have that no one has figured out before now. HOW WILL YOU GET THEM OUT OF THEIR BUBBLE? I ask you seriously. Lay it out.

Sully myself? I'm in a bubble? Why? Because I read multiple news sources and think critically about the world?
Because I judge people by their words and actions? I would sully myself if I capitulate to those hateful lies. I will not go along with their hateful nonsense.

You act as though these MAGA people will come to the table to discuss things in good faith. I think you are a fool. Won't ever happen.

“Persuade them with what?”

That question literally says it all. You don’t know enough about these people to even know who they are or what they care about.

Start there.

And yes, you should literally sit down at the table with some Trump voters. I think you’ll be surprised at how uninvested most of them are in his most hateful and egregious positions.

This isn’t about “capitulating”. Quite the opposite: it’s about winning.

Perhaps you should apply your undoubtedly elite critical thinking skills to that goal. Seems more productive than performative outrage.

—Harris voter who also voraciously consumes media, thinks critically, has multiple advanced degrees from “elite” institutions

For someone who claims to be about listening and understanding and moving forward, you are unrelentingly condescending and rude. I'm sure the MAGA voters will just love having you talk down to them. You didn't answer my question, because of your *inaccurate*, knee jerk reaction to "Persuade them with what?" There is an elitist in this conversation and it's not me.

I have listened to them. Over and over again for eight years. "Persuade them with what" refers to the fact that, though they say they care about immigration and the economy first and foremost, they have shown with their votes that they aren't really interested in any factually-based discussion or feasible answers on how to deal with those things. How do you bring these people back to the table to discuss real solutions when they won't even agree on the facts of what is happening? When they prefer the lies and scapegoating of Trump? Are you suggesting we listen again to these complaints we have all HEARD A MILLION TIMES and then lie to them in the same way Trump does? That immigrants are all rapists and murders who are stealing their jobs? That mass deportation of immigrants will solve all their problems? That tariffs are the way to address inflation? He said those things and they voted "yes".

After you listen to all these grievances that we are all really, really, really familiar with by now (if you actually do consume news from multiple sources), what will you say? How will you counteract the misinformation? How will you "win"? Are you going to pat them on the hand and tell them about your degrees from "elite" institutions?

You get it now?

I actually just mimicked your approach by pointing out my information level and ability to process complex information.

Your reaction? You found me condescending and rude.

That was precisely the point. That’s exactly how educated elites in the bubble come across.

As for your substantive points, you can’t read about people, you need to know them and vice versa.

I had lunch with a Trump voter last week. Didn’t change his vote for President, but did persuade him to vote for the abortion referendum on the ballot in his state.

How? By presenting him with facts about the effect of the referendum and talking about my daughters and what it means to them.

Information, persuasion, respect, relationships, and willingness to listen with an open mind work on an individual level.

On a macro level, you’re right about the issues they care most about: inflation and the economy.

Dems should have hammered the (inflationary) tariff proposal. And Trump’s work in killing the immigration bill.

But were these the main points of emphasis? No. What did we hear instead? Fascism, dog eating, garbage, etc., with a dose of “the economy is great” to boot.

Reflects a party-wide inability to communicate with people.

The disconnect is startling.

Your turn. Since you clearly view these people as irredeemable idiots, how exactly do YOU propose to win a national election?

NP. If you can't dazzle with brilliance then baffle with bull $&it! I had to put high top boots on to read your screed above.

I was going for brilliance with a gloss of BS for entertainment value.

I feel like I succeeded admirably, if not briefly.

FWIW, the anecdote is in fact true.

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Anonymous wrote:I, for one, am tired of the divisive rhetoric and negativity of the past few months on media (of all types).

Let’s now put all that behind us and work together, as one nation, to make America a better place; a place our children and grandchildren will be even more proud to call home.

Who’s with me?

We have a president who has no interest in what is best for America, or in making it a better place. This is a time for resistance, not naivete.

+1. A lot of posters on this board come across as rather naïve. Remember when Trump lost, he instigated an insurrection during which people were killed. And yet you now want me to hug, hold hands and sing Kumbaya with you after you voted him in, again?!

I will neither forget, nor forgive. This is my children’s future you are f’ing up. And my planet’s. May a hurricane or a pregnant teen daughter or a job loss show you what you just voted against and what happens when the social networks you so despise are pulled from under your feet. That is my wish, not unity with bigots, egotists and dummies.

Speaking of naive, how exactly do you propose protecting the future?

Stow your emotions and start thinking about how to win.

Seems to me winning requires getting more votes. Where/how do you propose acquiring them?

First of all, you don't need more votes than 4 years before- you just need more votes than your opponent. Some of this problem will be addressed by old people dying off.

Second, there's a pretty clear lesson that Americans are simply too sexist to vote for a woman. I thought we were past that point, but obviously not. The democrats need to stick with men- preferably white men.

Have you looked at the Gen Z vote trends?

And lemme get this straight, rather than work on policy/issue-based persuasion, you’d rather limit D candidates based on gender and race?

Doesn’t sound particularly sensible.

Gen Z votes Democrat at a higher level than any other age group.

“ Voters under age 30 represent a fraction of the total electorate, but about half of them supported Harris. That’s compared to the roughly 6 in 10 who backed Biden in 2020. Slightly more than 4 in 10 young voters went for Trump, up from about one-third in 2020.”

https://apnews.com/article/trump-harris-presidential-election-takeaways-d0e4677f4cd53b4d2d8d18d674be5bf4

Compare the age groups to each other. They're the bluest of the age groups.

Sure but the topic was “trend”.

Obviously not good for Dems.

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Anonymous wrote:I have no trouble believing Trump was legitimately elected.

But no, I'm not going to "come together" with people who think that I don't deserve to make healthcare decisions about my own body or think that their right to own an AR 15 is more important than my and my children's right to not get randomly shot in public.

I'm sorry, I just can't "come together" with people who believe those things.

What's the alternative? Fight them? Despise them? Deplore them?

How will any of those options improve things?

My suggestion: talk to them, listen to them, and find areas where you do agree. Find common ground where it exists and gain mutual understanding where it doesn't.

THAT is the path forward to a better nation.

--Harris voter who has lived in the bluest and reddest parts of America (happily)

Hard Pass. I don't need a$$holes as friends. Coming around to their way of thinking (what you think I should do) is not going to "improve" things either.

You missed the point entirely.

1. I’m not talking about being “friends”. I’m talking about interacting.

2. I’m not talking about “coming around to their way of thinking”. I’m talking about understanding their way of thinking and explaining yours.

You want to make things better and/or get your way politically?

You’d better find allies, forge consensus, and compromise.

MAGA abhor compromise. Where was the compromise when Biden won? Didn't see any? No? That's right, you didn't. You saw an insurrection and constant vitriol and obstruction.

*You* voted for this acrimony. Live with it.

*I* voted for Harris. And Obama. And Clinton. And Biden.

*I* don’t live in a blue bubble.

*I* DGAF about who started it or who’s more awful or who hurt whose feelings.

*I* DO want to win and I never want to see a national MAGA candidate elected again.

*You’d* apparently rather be outraged than sully yourself by actually doing the work to understand and persuade people.

Persuade them with what? Please do tell us how we can get through to the MAGA faithful when they are so deeply, deeply invested in Trump's hateful lies? Please share this amazing wisdom you have that no one has figured out before now. HOW WILL YOU GET THEM OUT OF THEIR BUBBLE? I ask you seriously. Lay it out.

Sully myself? I'm in a bubble? Why? Because I read multiple news sources and think critically about the world?
Because I judge people by their words and actions? I would sully myself if I capitulate to those hateful lies. I will not go along with their hateful nonsense.

You act as though these MAGA people will come to the table to discuss things in good faith. I think you are a fool. Won't ever happen.

“Persuade them with what?”

That question literally says it all. You don’t know enough about these people to even know who they are or what they care about.

Start there.

And yes, you should literally sit down at the table with some Trump voters. I think you’ll be surprised at how uninvested most of them are in his most hateful and egregious positions.

This isn’t about “capitulating”. Quite the opposite: it’s about winning.

Perhaps you should apply your undoubtedly elite critical thinking skills to that goal. Seems more productive than performative outrage.

—Harris voter who also voraciously consumes media, thinks critically, has multiple advanced degrees from “elite” institutions

For someone who claims to be about listening and understanding and moving forward, you are unrelentingly condescending and rude. I'm sure the MAGA voters will just love having you talk down to them. You didn't answer my question, because of your *inaccurate*, knee jerk reaction to "Persuade them with what?" There is an elitist in this conversation and it's not me.

I have listened to them. Over and over again for eight years. "Persuade them with what" refers to the fact that, though they say they care about immigration and the economy first and foremost, they have shown with their votes that they aren't really interested in any factually-based discussion or feasible answers on how to deal with those things. How do you bring these people back to the table to discuss real solutions when they won't even agree on the facts of what is happening? When they prefer the lies and scapegoating of Trump? Are you suggesting we listen again to these complaints we have all HEARD A MILLION TIMES and then lie to them in the same way Trump does? That immigrants are all rapists and murders who are stealing their jobs? That mass deportation of immigrants will solve all their problems? That tariffs are the way to address inflation? He said those things and they voted "yes".

After you listen to all these grievances that we are all really, really, really familiar with by now (if you actually do consume news from multiple sources), what will you say? How will you counteract the misinformation? How will you "win"? Are you going to pat them on the hand and tell them about your degrees from "elite" institutions?

You get it now?

I actually just mimicked your approach by pointing out my information level and ability to process complex information.

Your reaction? You found me condescending and rude.

That was precisely the point. That’s exactly how educated elites in the bubble come across.

As for your substantive points, you can’t read about people, you need to know them and vice versa.

I had lunch with a Trump voter last week. Didn’t change his vote for President, but did persuade him to vote for the abortion referendum on the ballot in his state.

How? By presenting him with facts about the effect of the referendum and talking about my daughters and what it means to them.

Information, persuasion, respect, relationships, and willingness to listen with an open mind work on an individual level.

On a macro level, you’re right about the issues they care most about: inflation and the economy.

Dems should have hammered the (inflationary) tariff proposal. And Trump’s work in killing the immigration bill.

But were these the main points of emphasis? No. What did we hear instead? Fascism, dog eating, garbage, etc., with a dose of “the economy is great” to boot.

Reflects a party-wide inability to communicate with people.

The disconnect is startling.

Your turn. Since you clearly view these people as irredeemable idiots, how exactly do YOU propose to win a national election?

There you go again, telling me what I think without taking the time to ask or try to listen. Where did I call them irredeemable idiots? I didn't. You did. You are projecting your perception of "Dem elites" and what they think onto me without knowing me at all, without knowing who I have or haven't talked to. What I said is that they either believe (or want to believe) Trump's lies. Again I ask you, how will you deal with this? How do you overcome someone who has shown with their vote that they support those lies and policies?

And I wasn't talking to MAGA voters. I was talking only to YOU (assuming you are the same arrogant person who has been hammering at us on this thread, ordering us to listen to MAGA voters so we can win and then going on about how you don't live in a blue bubble and have your elite degrees). I am not on here trying to convince MAGA voters of anything or condescending to them. (That's your department. You are going to sit with them and then show them the way.) I am arguing with YOU and you only that your premise is simply faulty. I completely disagree that at this point in time, having a chat with a MAGA voter about their very well known grievances (and telling them about your daughter, good lord) will have any significant impact. They are not interested.

Trump voters listened to all the lies and the nonsense he said and then voted, "Yes", we want that. They want the lies. They are not interested in good faith discussion based on data or implications of his policies. Throughout history when things get tough, societies have turned to strong men who say, "I can fix it. It will be easy." And things go bad and the society falls or only recovers when they are forced to reckon with the real outcomes of letting that strong man take over. It's all there...over and over. I fundamentally do not believe for one second that your tea time with MAGA will be the answer we seek for 2028. People always have to learn the hard way. It sucks, I don't like it, I wish we were better (all humans, not just MAGA voters) but we aren't. Short memories.

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Anonymous wrote:I have no trouble believing Trump was legitimately elected.

But no, I'm not going to "come together" with people who think that I don't deserve to make healthcare decisions about my own body or think that their right to own an AR 15 is more important than my and my children's right to not get randomly shot in public.

I'm sorry, I just can't "come together" with people who believe those things.

What's the alternative? Fight them? Despise them? Deplore them?

How will any of those options improve things?

My suggestion: talk to them, listen to them, and find areas where you do agree. Find common ground where it exists and gain mutual understanding where it doesn't.

THAT is the path forward to a better nation.

--Harris voter who has lived in the bluest and reddest parts of America (happily)

Hard Pass. I don't need a$$holes as friends. Coming around to their way of thinking (what you think I should do) is not going to "improve" things either.

You missed the point entirely.

1. I’m not talking about being “friends”. I’m talking about interacting.

2. I’m not talking about “coming around to their way of thinking”. I’m talking about understanding their way of thinking and explaining yours.

You want to make things better and/or get your way politically?

You’d better find allies, forge consensus, and compromise.

MAGA abhor compromise. Where was the compromise when Biden won? Didn't see any? No? That's right, you didn't. You saw an insurrection and constant vitriol and obstruction.

*You* voted for this acrimony. Live with it.

*I* voted for Harris. And Obama. And Clinton. And Biden.

*I* don’t live in a blue bubble.

*I* DGAF about who started it or who’s more awful or who hurt whose feelings.

*I* DO want to win and I never want to see a national MAGA candidate elected again.

*You’d* apparently rather be outraged than sully yourself by actually doing the work to understand and persuade people.

Persuade them with what? Please do tell us how we can get through to the MAGA faithful when they are so deeply, deeply invested in Trump's hateful lies? Please share this amazing wisdom you have that no one has figured out before now. HOW WILL YOU GET THEM OUT OF THEIR BUBBLE? I ask you seriously. Lay it out.

Sully myself? I'm in a bubble? Why? Because I read multiple news sources and think critically about the world?
Because I judge people by their words and actions? I would sully myself if I capitulate to those hateful lies. I will not go along with their hateful nonsense.

You act as though these MAGA people will come to the table to discuss things in good faith. I think you are a fool. Won't ever happen.

“Persuade them with what?”

That question literally says it all. You don’t know enough about these people to even know who they are or what they care about.

Start there.

And yes, you should literally sit down at the table with some Trump voters. I think you’ll be surprised at how uninvested most of them are in his most hateful and egregious positions.

This isn’t about “capitulating”. Quite the opposite: it’s about winning.

Perhaps you should apply your undoubtedly elite critical thinking skills to that goal. Seems more productive than performative outrage.

—Harris voter who also voraciously consumes media, thinks critically, has multiple advanced degrees from “elite” institutions

For someone who claims to be about listening and understanding and moving forward, you are unrelentingly condescending and rude. I'm sure the MAGA voters will just love having you talk down to them. You didn't answer my question, because of your *inaccurate*, knee jerk reaction to "Persuade them with what?" There is an elitist in this conversation and it's not me.

I have listened to them. Over and over again for eight years. "Persuade them with what" refers to the fact that, though they say they care about immigration and the economy first and foremost, they have shown with their votes that they aren't really interested in any factually-based discussion or feasible answers on how to deal with those things. How do you bring these people back to the table to discuss real solutions when they won't even agree on the facts of what is happening? When they prefer the lies and scapegoating of Trump? Are you suggesting we listen again to these complaints we have all HEARD A MILLION TIMES and then lie to them in the same way Trump does? That immigrants are all rapists and murders who are stealing their jobs? That mass deportation of immigrants will solve all their problems? That tariffs are the way to address inflation? He said those things and they voted "yes".

After you listen to all these grievances that we are all really, really, really familiar with by now (if you actually do consume news from multiple sources), what will you say? How will you counteract the misinformation? How will you "win"? Are you going to pat them on the hand and tell them about your degrees from "elite" institutions?

You get it now?

I actually just mimicked your approach by pointing out my information level and ability to process complex information.

Your reaction? You found me condescending and rude.

That was precisely the point. That’s exactly how educated elites in the bubble come across.

As for your substantive points, you can’t read about people, you need to know them and vice versa.

I had lunch with a Trump voter last week. Didn’t change his vote for President, but did persuade him to vote for the abortion referendum on the ballot in his state.

How? By presenting him with facts about the effect of the referendum and talking about my daughters and what it means to them.

Information, persuasion, respect, relationships, and willingness to listen with an open mind work on an individual level.

On a macro level, you’re right about the issues they care most about: inflation and the economy.

Dems should have hammered the (inflationary) tariff proposal. And Trump’s work in killing the immigration bill.

But were these the main points of emphasis? No. What did we hear instead? Fascism, dog eating, garbage, etc., with a dose of “the economy is great” to boot.

Reflects a party-wide inability to communicate with people.

The disconnect is startling.

Your turn. Since you clearly view these people as irredeemable idiots, how exactly do YOU propose to win a national election?

NP. If you can't dazzle with brilliance then baffle with bull $&it! I had to put high top boots on to read your screed above.

I was going for brilliance with a gloss of BS for entertainment value.

I feel like I succeeded admirably, if not briefly.

FWIW, the anecdote is in fact true.

So you admit you are full of BS? You sure are.

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Anonymous wrote:I have no trouble believing Trump was legitimately elected.

But no, I'm not going to "come together" with people who think that I don't deserve to make healthcare decisions about my own body or think that their right to own an AR 15 is more important than my and my children's right to not get randomly shot in public.

I'm sorry, I just can't "come together" with people who believe those things.

What's the alternative? Fight them? Despise them? Deplore them?

How will any of those options improve things?

My suggestion: talk to them, listen to them, and find areas where you do agree. Find common ground where it exists and gain mutual understanding where it doesn't.

THAT is the path forward to a better nation.

--Harris voter who has lived in the bluest and reddest parts of America (happily)

Hard Pass. I don't need a$$holes as friends. Coming around to their way of thinking (what you think I should do) is not going to "improve" things either.

You missed the point entirely.

1. I’m not talking about being “friends”. I’m talking about interacting.

2. I’m not talking about “coming around to their way of thinking”. I’m talking about understanding their way of thinking and explaining yours.

You want to make things better and/or get your way politically?

You’d better find allies, forge consensus, and compromise.

MAGA abhor compromise. Where was the compromise when Biden won? Didn't see any? No? That's right, you didn't. You saw an insurrection and constant vitriol and obstruction.

*You* voted for this acrimony. Live with it.

*I* voted for Harris. And Obama. And Clinton. And Biden.

*I* don’t live in a blue bubble.

*I* DGAF about who started it or who’s more awful or who hurt whose feelings.

*I* DO want to win and I never want to see a national MAGA candidate elected again.

*You’d* apparently rather be outraged than sully yourself by actually doing the work to understand and persuade people.

Persuade them with what? Please do tell us how we can get through to the MAGA faithful when they are so deeply, deeply invested in Trump's hateful lies? Please share this amazing wisdom you have that no one has figured out before now. HOW WILL YOU GET THEM OUT OF THEIR BUBBLE? I ask you seriously. Lay it out.

Sully myself? I'm in a bubble? Why? Because I read multiple news sources and think critically about the world?
Because I judge people by their words and actions? I would sully myself if I capitulate to those hateful lies. I will not go along with their hateful nonsense.

You act as though these MAGA people will come to the table to discuss things in good faith. I think you are a fool. Won't ever happen.

“Persuade them with what?”

That question literally says it all. You don’t know enough about these people to even know who they are or what they care about.

Start there.

And yes, you should literally sit down at the table with some Trump voters. I think you’ll be surprised at how uninvested most of them are in his most hateful and egregious positions.

This isn’t about “capitulating”. Quite the opposite: it’s about winning.

Perhaps you should apply your undoubtedly elite critical thinking skills to that goal. Seems more productive than performative outrage.

—Harris voter who also voraciously consumes media, thinks critically, has multiple advanced degrees from “elite” institutions

For someone who claims to be about listening and understanding and moving forward, you are unrelentingly condescending and rude. I'm sure the MAGA voters will just love having you talk down to them. You didn't answer my question, because of your *inaccurate*, knee jerk reaction to "Persuade them with what?" There is an elitist in this conversation and it's not me.

I have listened to them. Over and over again for eight years. "Persuade them with what" refers to the fact that, though they say they care about immigration and the economy first and foremost, they have shown with their votes that they aren't really interested in any factually-based discussion or feasible answers on how to deal with those things. How do you bring these people back to the table to discuss real solutions when they won't even agree on the facts of what is happening? When they prefer the lies and scapegoating of Trump? Are you suggesting we listen again to these complaints we have all HEARD A MILLION TIMES and then lie to them in the same way Trump does? That immigrants are all rapists and murders who are stealing their jobs? That mass deportation of immigrants will solve all their problems? That tariffs are the way to address inflation? He said those things and they voted "yes".

After you listen to all these grievances that we are all really, really, really familiar with by now (if you actually do consume news from multiple sources), what will you say? How will you counteract the misinformation? How will you "win"? Are you going to pat them on the hand and tell them about your degrees from "elite" institutions?

You get it now?

I actually just mimicked your approach by pointing out my information level and ability to process complex information.

Your reaction? You found me condescending and rude.

That was precisely the point. That’s exactly how educated elites in the bubble come across.

As for your substantive points, you can’t read about people, you need to know them and vice versa.

I had lunch with a Trump voter last week. Didn’t change his vote for President, but did persuade him to vote for the abortion referendum on the ballot in his state.

How? By presenting him with facts about the effect of the referendum and talking about my daughters and what it means to them.

Information, persuasion, respect, relationships, and willingness to listen with an open mind work on an individual level.

On a macro level, you’re right about the issues they care most about: inflation and the economy.

Dems should have hammered the (inflationary) tariff proposal. And Trump’s work in killing the immigration bill.

But were these the main points of emphasis? No. What did we hear instead? Fascism, dog eating, garbage, etc., with a dose of “the economy is great” to boot.

Reflects a party-wide inability to communicate with people.

The disconnect is startling.

Your turn. Since you clearly view these people as irredeemable idiots, how exactly do YOU propose to win a national election?

NP. If you can't dazzle with brilliance then baffle with bull $&it! I had to put high top boots on to read your screed above.

I was going for brilliance with a gloss of BS for entertainment value.

I feel like I succeeded admirably, if not briefly.

FWIW, the anecdote is in fact true.

So you admit you are full of BS? You sure are.

Also, you need to stop with the single-sentence paragraphs. Afraid that degree did not serve you well.

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Anonymous wrote:I, for one, am tired of the divisive rhetoric and negativity of the past few months on media (of all types).

Let’s now put all that behind us and work together, as one nation, to make America a better place; a place our children and grandchildren will be even more proud to call home.

Who’s with me?

Hmmm…unity like in 2020? Funny how that’s now the call. And Democrats will do it, just like 2000, because we believe in democracy.

That was 4 years ago. Move on.

Because if you don’t, then there will be continued division. Don’t feed the seether.

Yes, the Repblican mantra: Democrats should surrender to because Republicans will never, ever compromise. Democrats shoulds extend a hand in peace so Republicans can bite it off. Democrats have to be the adults, treating the Republicans like spoiled children while telling them how mature and responsible they are. The Republicans who can't even vote for their own majority leadership and operate basic functions of government without Democrats stepping in to rescue them.

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Anonymous wrote:I, for one, am tired of the divisive rhetoric and negativity of the past few months on media (of all types).

Let’s now put all that behind us and work together, as one nation, to make America a better place; a place our children and grandchildren will be even more proud to call home.

Who’s with me?

We have a president who has no interest in what is best for America, or in making it a better place. This is a time for resistance, not naivete.

OMG Stop. The people voted. The Republican Party won the popular vote. Majority wins.

Signed Anti-Trump Harris voter.

DP. I don't think they mean storm the capitol. That's MAGA crap. But why should Dems embrace the lies as though they are true? If everyone jumps off the Brooklyn bridge, will you?

What lies? You simply have to concede that the majority of the country wants Republican right-leaning political policies and values. You don't have to embrace the POTUS or the policies, but you have to sit back and accept it for the next 4 years.

^the same way the majority of Republicans (J6 was fringe group y'all) concede when a Dem wins that the majority of the country wants Democratic left-leaning political policies and values.

The leader of J6 was just nominated and elected President. Not a fringe group. Republican base.

Republicans in Congress went on strike and shut down government functions to prevent President Obama from fulfilling his Constitutional obligation to appoint judges

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Wow, this board changed in the past 24 hours! How soon we forget the suppression of facts from the right by Jeff. How soon we forget that the more you persecute Trump, the more popular he became. Now you want to play nice, while the mandate of MAGA is being implemented. Shame on you!