Time to come together and move forward as one nation

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Anonymous wrote:I, for one, am tired of the divisive rhetoric and negativity of the past few months on media (of all types).

Let’s now put all that behind us and work together, as one nation, to make America a better place; a place our children and grandchildren will be even more proud to call home.

Who’s with me?

We have a president who has no interest in what is best for America, or in making it a better place. This is a time for resistance, not naivete.

+1. A lot of posters on this board come across as rather naïve. Remember when Trump lost, he instigated an insurrection during which people were killed. And yet you now want me to hug, hold hands and sing Kumbaya with you after you voted him in, again?!

I will neither forget, nor forgive. This is my children’s future you are f’ing up. And my planet’s. May a hurricane or a pregnant teen daughter or a job loss show you what you just voted against and what happens when the social networks you so despise are pulled from under your feet. That is my wish, not unity with bigots, egotists and dummies.

They aren't naive. They know exactly what they are doing. It's the Trump way. Make an agreement and then cheat, and repeat.

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Anonymous wrote:OP, as soon as you and other Dems apologize to people like me who enthusiastically supported Trump (volunteered for him) for calling us Nazis, garbage and other choice words, we can talk about moving forward.

But keep in mind: the mandate is clear. Trump won the popular vote. "Unity" will not be defined as consensus governing to accommodate radical Dem policies.

Another Trump voter here. I don’t need any apologies. I just want our country to begin to mend.

Why TF would anyone apologize to Trump voters?

Such a gaslighting abuser comment.

Serious question. Why are you on this thread since you clearly have no interest in moving forward as one nation as the OP proposes? There are 7,999,543 other threads where you can spew your hatred about Trump and those who voted for him.

How exactly do you or the OP propose we all "come together"? The two sides have such fundamentally different views, what do you think we should compromise on exactly? Please give specfic examples of how to do this.

It’s really not that complicated.

Step 1. Stop spewing hatred.

Step 2. If you know someone who voted for a different presidential candidate, sit down with them and actually try to understand why they voted the way they did. If you can’t agree, agree to disagree and acknowledge the other’s right to their opinion. Do not spew hatred in the process.

Step 3. Purposefully meet people who have different opinions than you and engage in step 2.

Step 4. Get your news from a wide range of sources and perspectives. Then engage in Steps 2 and 3.

Step 5. If you’re unwilling to engage in steps 1-4, seek help.

Step 6. Contemplate what you’ve learned by engaging in steps 1-5 and find some common ground.

Aa new Trump voter I am able to do the above with my friends who voted for Harris and guess what: we are still friends and respect each other.

Absolutely not. Besides, as a Black woman, anybody who expressed support for Trump was always against me and never a friend. How could they.

Fine but then don't complain about the country being divided.

Let’s be real, when has this country ever been United. Never. It’s always been a them versus us.

It was not like this 20-40 years ago.

What was not like this?

Obama was "the Antichrist".

SCOTUS stole the election for Bush.

Bill Clinton was impeached.

Joe McCarthy got his family name turned into a synonym for "us vs them" witch hunting.

There's literally a book written about how the early 90s led us to where we are today.

But the SCOTUS stole the election comment? You realize that's how some MAGA justify the whole stolen election lie with Trump, right? "Dems did it first!"

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Anonymous wrote:OP, as soon as you and other Dems apologize to people like me who enthusiastically supported Trump (volunteered for him) for calling us Nazis, garbage and other choice words, we can talk about moving forward.

But keep in mind: the mandate is clear. Trump won the popular vote. "Unity" will not be defined as consensus governing to accommodate radical Dem policies.

Another Trump voter here. I don’t need any apologies. I just want our country to begin to mend.

Why TF would anyone apologize to Trump voters?

Such a gaslighting abuser comment.

Serious question. Why are you on this thread since you clearly have no interest in moving forward as one nation as the OP proposes? There are 7,999,543 other threads where you can spew your hatred about Trump and those who voted for him.

How exactly do you or the OP propose we all "come together"? The two sides have such fundamentally different views, what do you think we should compromise on exactly? Please give specfic examples of how to do this.

It’s really not that complicated.

Step 1. Stop spewing hatred.

Step 2. If you know someone who voted for a different presidential candidate, sit down with them and actually try to understand why they voted the way they did. If you can’t agree, agree to disagree and acknowledge the other’s right to their opinion. Do not spew hatred in the process.

Step 3. Purposefully meet people who have different opinions than you and engage in step 2.

Step 4. Get your news from a wide range of sources and perspectives. Then engage in Steps 2 and 3.

Step 5. If you’re unwilling to engage in steps 1-4, seek help.

Step 6. Contemplate what you’ve learned by engaging in steps 1-5 and find some common ground.

Aa new Trump voter I am able to do the above with my friends who voted for Harris and guess what: we are still friends and respect each other.

Absolutely not. Besides, as a Black woman, anybody who expressed support for Trump was always against me and never a friend. How could they.

Fine but then don't complain about the country being divided.

Let’s be real, when has this country ever been United. Never. It’s always been a them versus us.

It was not like this 20-40 years ago.

What was not like this?

Obama was "the Antichrist".

SCOTUS stole the election for Bush.

Bill Clinton was impeached.

Joe McCarthy got his family name turned into a synonym for "us vs them" witch hunting.

There's literally a book written about how the early 90s led us to where we are today.

But the SCOTUS stole the election comment? You realize that's how some MAGA justify the whole stolen election lie with Trump, right? "Dems did it first!"

Apples and oranges. People arguing about process and the roles of different bodies in deciding our election versus widely debunked lies about fraud perpetrated by a sore loser.

But of course MAGA arguments are based on reality or facts. Just anger.

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Anonymous wrote:OP, as soon as you and other Dems apologize to people like me who enthusiastically supported Trump (volunteered for him) for calling us Nazis, garbage and other choice words, we can talk about moving forward.

But keep in mind: the mandate is clear. Trump won the popular vote. "Unity" will not be defined as consensus governing to accommodate radical Dem policies.

Another Trump voter here. I don’t need any apologies. I just want our country to begin to mend.

Why TF would anyone apologize to Trump voters?

Such a gaslighting abuser comment.

Serious question. Why are you on this thread since you clearly have no interest in moving forward as one nation as the OP proposes? There are 7,999,543 other threads where you can spew your hatred about Trump and those who voted for him.

How exactly do you or the OP propose we all "come together"? The two sides have such fundamentally different views, what do you think we should compromise on exactly? Please give specfic examples of how to do this.

It’s really not that complicated.

Step 1. Stop spewing hatred.

Step 2. If you know someone who voted for a different presidential candidate, sit down with them and actually try to understand why they voted the way they did. If you can’t agree, agree to disagree and acknowledge the other’s right to their opinion. Do not spew hatred in the process.

Step 3. Purposefully meet people who have different opinions than you and engage in step 2.

Step 4. Get your news from a wide range of sources and perspectives. Then engage in Steps 2 and 3.

Step 5. If you’re unwilling to engage in steps 1-4, seek help.

Step 6. Contemplate what you’ve learned by engaging in steps 1-5 and find some common ground.

Aa new Trump voter I am able to do the above with my friends who voted for Harris and guess what: we are still friends and respect each other.

Absolutely not. Besides, as a Black woman, anybody who expressed support for Trump was always against me and never a friend. How could they.

Fine but then don't complain about the country being divided.

Let’s be real, when has this country ever been United. Never. It’s always been a them versus us.

It was not like this 20-40 years ago.

What was not like this?

Obama was "the Antichrist".

SCOTUS stole the election for Bush.

Bill Clinton was impeached.

Joe McCarthy got his family name turned into a synonym for "us vs them" witch hunting.

There's literally a book written about how the early 90s led us to where we are today.

But the SCOTUS stole the election comment? You realize that's how some MAGA justify the whole stolen election lie with Trump, right? "Dems did it first!"

More like Jeb Bush stole the election for his brother.

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Anonymous wrote:I have no trouble believing Trump was legitimately elected.

But no, I'm not going to "come together" with people who think that I don't deserve to make healthcare decisions about my own body or think that their right to own an AR 15 is more important than my and my children's right to not get randomly shot in public.

I'm sorry, I just can't "come together" with people who believe those things.

What's the alternative? Fight them? Despise them? Deplore them?

How will any of those options improve things?

My suggestion: talk to them, listen to them, and find areas where you do agree. Find common ground where it exists and gain mutual understanding where it doesn't.

THAT is the path forward to a better nation.

--Harris voter who has lived in the bluest and reddest parts of America (happily)

Hard Pass. I don't need a$$holes as friends. Coming around to their way of thinking (what you think I should do) is not going to "improve" things either.

You missed the point entirely.

1. I’m not talking about being “friends”. I’m talking about interacting.

2. I’m not talking about “coming around to their way of thinking”. I’m talking about understanding their way of thinking and explaining yours.

You want to make things better and/or get your way politically?

You’d better find allies, forge consensus, and compromise.

MAGA abhor compromise. Where was the compromise when Biden won? Didn't see any? No? That's right, you didn't. You saw an insurrection and constant vitriol and obstruction.

*You* voted for this acrimony. Live with it.

*I* voted for Harris. And Obama. And Clinton. And Biden.

*I* don’t live in a blue bubble.

*I* DGAF about who started it or who’s more awful or who hurt whose feelings.

*I* DO want to win and I never want to see a national MAGA candidate elected again.

*You’d* apparently rather be outraged than sully yourself by actually doing the work to understand and persuade people.

Persuade them with what? Please do tell us how we can get through to the MAGA faithful when they are so deeply, deeply invested in Trump's hateful lies? Please share this amazing wisdom you have that no one has figured out before now. HOW WILL YOU GET THEM OUT OF THEIR BUBBLE? I ask you seriously. Lay it out.

Sully myself? I'm in a bubble? Why? Because I read multiple news sources and think critically about the world?
Because I judge people by their words and actions? I would sully myself if I capitulate to those hateful lies. I will not go along with their hateful nonsense.

You act as though these MAGA people will come to the table to discuss things in good faith. I think you are a fool. Won't ever happen.

“Persuade them with what?”

That question literally says it all. You don’t know enough about these people to even know who they are or what they care about.

Start there.

And yes, you should literally sit down at the table with some Trump voters. I think you’ll be surprised at how uninvested most of them are in his most hateful and egregious positions.

This isn’t about “capitulating”. Quite the opposite: it’s about winning.

Perhaps you should apply your undoubtedly elite critical thinking skills to that goal. Seems more productive than performative outrage.

—Harris voter who also voraciously consumes media, thinks critically, has multiple advanced degrees from “elite” institutions

For someone who claims to be about listening and understanding and moving forward, you are unrelentingly condescending and rude. I'm sure the MAGA voters will just love having you talk down to them. You didn't answer my question, because of your *inaccurate*, knee jerk reaction to "Persuade them with what?" There is an elitist in this conversation and it's not me.

I have listened to them. Over and over again for eight years. "Persuade them with what" refers to the fact that, though they say they care about immigration and the economy first and foremost, they have shown with their votes that they aren't really interested in any factually-based discussion or feasible answers on how to deal with those things. How do you bring these people back to the table to discuss real solutions when they won't even agree on the facts of what is happening? When they prefer the lies and scapegoating of Trump? Are you suggesting we listen again to these complaints we have all HEARD A MILLION TIMES and then lie to them in the same way Trump does? That immigrants are all rapists and murders who are stealing their jobs? That mass deportation of immigrants will solve all their problems? That tariffs are the way to address inflation? He said those things and they voted "yes".

After you listen to all these grievances that we are all really, really, really familiar with by now (if you actually do consume news from multiple sources), what will you say? How will you counteract the misinformation? How will you "win"? Are you going to pat them on the hand and tell them about your degrees from "elite" institutions?

You get it now?

I actually just mimicked your approach by pointing out my information level and ability to process complex information.

Your reaction? You found me condescending and rude.

That was precisely the point. That’s exactly how educated elites in the bubble come across.

As for your substantive points, you can’t read about people, you need to know them and vice versa.

I had lunch with a Trump voter last week. Didn’t change his vote for President, but did persuade him to vote for the abortion referendum on the ballot in his state.

How? By presenting him with facts about the effect of the referendum and talking about my daughters and what it means to them.

Information, persuasion, respect, relationships, and willingness to listen with an open mind work on an individual level.

On a macro level, you’re right about the issues they care most about: inflation and the economy.

Dems should have hammered the (inflationary) tariff proposal. And Trump’s work in killing the immigration bill.

But were these the main points of emphasis? No. What did we hear instead? Fascism, dog eating, garbage, etc., with a dose of “the economy is great” to boot.

Reflects a party-wide inability to communicate with people.

The disconnect is startling.

Your turn. Since you clearly view these people as irredeemable idiots, how exactly do YOU propose to win a national election?

There you go again, telling me what I think without taking the time to ask or try to listen. Where did I call them irredeemable idiots? I didn't. You did. You are projecting your perception of "Dem elites" and what they think onto me without knowing me at all, without knowing who I have or haven't talked to. What I said is that they either believe (or want to believe) Trump's lies. Again I ask you, how will you deal with this? How do you overcome someone who has shown with their vote that they support those lies and policies?

And I wasn't talking to MAGA voters. I was talking only to YOU (assuming you are the same arrogant person who has been hammering at us on this thread, ordering us to listen to MAGA voters so we can win and then going on about how you don't live in a blue bubble and have your elite degrees). I am not on here trying to convince MAGA voters of anything or condescending to them. (That's your department. You are going to sit with them and then show them the way.) I am arguing with YOU and you only that your premise is simply faulty. I completely disagree that at this point in time, having a chat with a MAGA voter about their very well known grievances (and telling them about your daughter, good lord) will have any significant impact. They are not interested.

Trump voters listened to all the lies and the nonsense he said and then voted, "Yes", we want that. They want the lies. They are not interested in good faith discussion based on data or implications of his policies. Throughout history when things get tough, societies have turned to strong men who say, "I can fix it. It will be easy." And things go bad and the society falls or only recovers when they are forced to reckon with the real outcomes of letting that strong man take over. It's all there...over and over. I fundamentally do not believe for one second that your tea time with MAGA will be the answer we seek for 2028. People always have to learn the hard way. It sucks, I don't like it, I wish we were better (all humans, not just MAGA voters) but we aren't. Short memories.

Ever hear of “law of group polarization”?

“In a striking empirical regularity, deliberation tends to move groups, and the individuals who compose them, toward a more extreme point in the direction indicated by their own predeliberation judgments.”

Isolation breeds extremism. Want to moderate your “opponents”? Talk to them.

Unfortunately, many of my fellow Harris voters would rather be holier-than-thou than even try to effect change.

https://chicagounbound.uchicago.edu/law_and_economics/542/

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Are you kidding with this thread? Your guy was convicted of 34 counts of fraud, found liable for sexual assault, instigated a coup attempt, stole classified documents and refused to turn them over when caught, and was an incompetent buffoon as President, just to name his greatest hits. We are not coming together to support this clown. We are appalled that 74 million Americans are so morally and intellectually bankrupt that they would believe this corrupt idiot should be President. You will get no help from us.

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Anonymous wrote:I, for one, am tired of the divisive rhetoric and negativity of the past few months on media (of all types).

Let’s now put all that behind us and work together, as one nation, to make America a better place; a place our children and grandchildren will be even more proud to call home.

Who’s with me?

Hmmm…unity like in 2020? Funny how that’s now the call. And Democrats will do it, just like 2000, because we believe in democracy.

That was 4 years ago. Move on.

Because if you don’t, then there will be continued division. Don’t feed the seether.

Yes, the Repblican mantra: Democrats should surrender to because Republicans will never, ever compromise. Democrats shoulds extend a hand in peace so Republicans can bite it off. Democrats have to be the adults, treating the Republicans like spoiled children while telling them how mature and responsible they are. The Republicans who can't even vote for their own majority leadership and operate basic functions of government without Democrats stepping in to rescue them.

This old lady that some of y’all are finally coming around. That BS Michelle Obama spewed about going high when they go low was the wrong message. Next time the Dems need to take the enemy’s freaking feet out when they go low. Dems always surrendering and losing to make peace. Republicans always acting like thuggish enforcers and doing the vilest things and walking away with the prize. Even Biden’s speech today was nauseating vomit 🤮 garbage.

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Gen Z votes Democrat at a higher level than any other age group.

Young people are always more liberal. Just wait till they get a little older, come over to the conservative side.

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Anonymous wrote:I, for one, am tired of the divisive rhetoric and negativity of the past few months on media (of all types).

Let’s now put all that behind us and work together, as one nation, to make America a better place; a place our children and grandchildren will be even more proud to call home.

Who’s with me?

How convenient. F, no!

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Gen Z votes Democrat at a higher level than any other age group.

Young people are always more liberal. Just wait till they get a little older, come over to the conservative side.

Stop the condescending BS.

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FFS. As if your side hasn't done all of this and worse to us?

We've been called communist, innumerable things ending in 'tard,' psychotic, deranged, and many far worse things that would get me banned from DCUM.

You have a lot of nerve playing the victim when you've been slinging it even harder than we have.

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I'm not coming together for Republicans because they won't come together for us.

Instead, I'm going to sit back and feed the Trump voters their own rope until they end up hanging themselves with it.

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No.

I used to feel sadness at the misfortune of my fellow Americans, but recently seeing the images from the latest hurricane did not affect me. I kept thinking to myself, you (as in southern states) don’t believe in global warming, in silence and in liberal policies (that were put in place to help you in a situation like this!!)? Well then, you get to lie in the bed that you made. I did not donate for disaster relief this time and am actually frustrated that my taxes go towards that.

On the other hand, I am petrified about what’s going to happened to the poor people of Ukraine under Trump. They were attacked without having done anything wrong. I am also deeply sad for the thousands of innocent civilian lives already lost in Gaza.

I suspect that lower and middle class Americans are going to get majorly screwed by Trump who will drive the economy into the ground and inflation through the roof, but they voted him in, so good luck to them is all I can say.

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FFS. As if your side hasn't done all of this and worse to us?

We've been called communist, innumerable things ending in 'tard,' psychotic, deranged, and many far worse things that would get me banned from DCUM.

You have a lot of nerve playing the victim when you've been slinging it even harder than we have.

I think there is a need to exercise caution and restraint. I hear stories like this from the University of Oregon:


https://www.registerguard.com/story/news/education/2024/11/07/university-oregon-leonard-serrato-trump-voters/76118799007/

Look I get it - the University is doing the right thing. But how is it that a guy with a career dealing with young people - some of whom suffer from significant mental health issues - telling people to jump off a bridge if they voted for Trump?

My guess is that the guy will regret not observing boundaries and will regret his career his toast. The immaturity is remarkable. Ought to be a warning to all.

I am sure some will state his rant is justified. Really? Worth losing your job over in an academic market that is shrinking, especially in his field of Greek student relations with some schools abandoning Greek life.