Is there a "post-truth" majority in the US?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:And meanwhile, surgeons wear masks... because they reduce transmission of germs.

And you know this.

Pretty sure not a single one of the anti-maskers on this thread are scoffing at their surgeons, telling them masks don't work, and demanding they don't wear masks in the operating theater. The whole anti-mask thing is so ridiculously dishonest.

I think you are a little too slow to be participating in this conversation. Try to keep up.

Oh, so you DO tell surgeons to stop wearing masks because according to you, they are ineffective and pointless? WHAT A TOOL you are!

Like I said, too slow for this conversation. You don’t seem to understand the difference between the effectiveness of masks in specific clinical settings versus mask mandates that required, for instance, daycare centers to mask toddlers. Democratic policymakers required masking toddlers long after there was no credible basis for harming children that way.

Well at least now we're getting somewhere. You have now finally admitted that masks DO IN FACT work, when surgeons wear them. From here on out, there's no taking that one back. Masks are indeed useful, helpful and effective.

But then you lost the plot and tried moving the goalposts by saying since toddlers might not be able to properly put on or keep on a mask , it's apparently pointless for anyone at all other than surgeons to wear masks (note that nobody here was even talking about toddlers). Sorry, but that's some harebrained logic there. I'm definitely not the slow one in this conversation. And again, the real-world observational studies did in fact show overall reductions in transmission, toddlers or no.

All this scrambling and disassembling to hide the fact that your people promulgated anti-scientific policies, like the Republicans.

It was your team that kept schools closed contrary to science (shall I point out the mountains of data demonstrating the incredible harm that did?), your team that pushed mask mandates that didn’t work even after there was proof they didn’t, etc. But you are so partisan and blind you can’t admit it.

Don’t come at me claiming that the Republicans are also anti-science. Of course they are. I am not a Republican, anyhow, and will never vote for Trump. But I despise Democratic hypocrisy and partisan blindness. The Democrats are objectively anti-science, just like the Republicans. You are just mad because people see through your cult beliefs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:We've had 15 pages of republicans berating democrats for believing things about covid that have been proven to be wrong in hindsight.

Now I'd like a republican to address why they keep saying Biden has open borders even though he expelled a record number of migrants in 2022 while he had title 42 available. And continues high numbers of returns and removals without title 42. I get that many of you would like more, but that's not open borders. Are you post-truth on that?

Both can be true. Biden’s policies can be accurately described as open border while he also simultaneously expels record number of migrants (because record numbers are coming due to those policies).

I’m not a Republican, though.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And meanwhile, surgeons wear masks... because they reduce transmission of germs.

And you know this.

Pretty sure not a single one of the anti-maskers on this thread are scoffing at their surgeons, telling them masks don't work, and demanding they don't wear masks in the operating theater. The whole anti-mask thing is so ridiculously dishonest.

I think you are a little too slow to be participating in this conversation. Try to keep up.

Oh, so you DO tell surgeons to stop wearing masks because according to you, they are ineffective and pointless? WHAT A TOOL you are!

Like I said, too slow for this conversation. You don’t seem to understand the difference between the effectiveness of masks in specific clinical settings versus mask mandates that required, for instance, daycare centers to mask toddlers. Democratic policymakers required masking toddlers long after there was no credible basis for harming children that way.

Well at least now we're getting somewhere. You have now finally admitted that masks DO IN FACT work, when surgeons wear them. From here on out, there's no taking that one back. Masks are indeed useful, helpful and effective.

But then you lost the plot and tried moving the goalposts by saying since toddlers might not be able to properly put on or keep on a mask , it's apparently pointless for anyone at all other than surgeons to wear masks (note that nobody here was even talking about toddlers). Sorry, but that's some harebrained logic there. I'm definitely not the slow one in this conversation. And again, the real-world observational studies did in fact show overall reductions in transmission, toddlers or no.

All this scrambling and disassembling to hide the fact that your people promulgated anti-scientific policies, like the Republicans.

It was your team that kept schools closed contrary to science (shall I point out the mountains of data demonstrating the incredible harm that did?), your team that pushed mask mandates that didn’t work even after there was proof they didn’t, etc. But you are so partisan and blind you can’t admit it.

Don’t come at me claiming that the Republicans are also anti-science. Of course they are. I am not a Republican, anyhow, and will never vote for Trump. But I despise Democratic hypocrisy and partisan blindness. The Democrats are objectively anti-science, just like the Republicans. You are just mad because people see through your cult beliefs.

NO Dem is anti vax.

Stop it about the mask mandates. Masks are non invasive. MYOB and shut up already.

We had a novel virus. Trump and MAGA idiots WITH THEIR ANTI MASK CRAP KILLED OVER 1 MILLION AMERICANS.

There is a reason hospitals use masks moron. There is a reason REPUBLICANS DIED at a rate of over 50% more than Dems.

This crap has been spewing on DCUM for years already, doesn't change the fact if we have another virus worse than covid because of all the lies and crap the Trump administration and people like you spew more people won't die next time. It was never about the masks you moron it was always about fear and gas lighting so they could get us to the point of turning the US into a fascist regime ie dictatorship.

As I read your posts I know you are too stupid to understand you have been had.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And meanwhile, surgeons wear masks... because they reduce transmission of germs.

And you know this.

Pretty sure not a single one of the anti-maskers on this thread are scoffing at their surgeons, telling them masks don't work, and demanding they don't wear masks in the operating theater. The whole anti-mask thing is so ridiculously dishonest.

I think you are a little too slow to be participating in this conversation. Try to keep up.

Oh, so you DO tell surgeons to stop wearing masks because according to you, they are ineffective and pointless? WHAT A TOOL you are!

Like I said, too slow for this conversation. You don’t seem to understand the difference between the effectiveness of masks in specific clinical settings versus mask mandates that required, for instance, daycare centers to mask toddlers. Democratic policymakers required masking toddlers long after there was no credible basis for harming children that way.

Well at least now we're getting somewhere. You have now finally admitted that masks DO IN FACT work, when surgeons wear them. From here on out, there's no taking that one back. Masks are indeed useful, helpful and effective.

But then you lost the plot and tried moving the goalposts by saying since toddlers might not be able to properly put on or keep on a mask , it's apparently pointless for anyone at all other than surgeons to wear masks (note that nobody here was even talking about toddlers). Sorry, but that's some harebrained logic there. I'm definitely not the slow one in this conversation. And again, the real-world observational studies did in fact show overall reductions in transmission, toddlers or no.

All this scrambling and disassembling to hide the fact that your people promulgated anti-scientific policies, like the Republicans.

It was your team that kept schools closed contrary to science (shall I point out the mountains of data demonstrating the incredible harm that did?), your team that pushed mask mandates that didn’t work even after there was proof they didn’t, etc. But you are so partisan and blind you can’t admit it.

Don’t come at me claiming that the Republicans are also anti-science. Of course they are. I am not a Republican, anyhow, and will never vote for Trump. But I despise Democratic hypocrisy and partisan blindness. The Democrats are objectively anti-science, just like the Republicans. You are just mad because people see through your cult beliefs.

NO Dem is anti vax.

Stop it about the mask mandates. Masks are non invasive. MYOB and shut up already.

We had a novel virus. Trump and MAGA idiots WITH THEIR ANTI MASK CRAP KILLED OVER 1 MILLION AMERICANS.

There is a reason hospitals use masks moron. There is a reason REPUBLICANS DIED at a rate of over 50% more than Dems.

This crap has been spewing on DCUM for years already, doesn't change the fact if we have another virus worse than covid because of all the lies and crap the Trump administration and people like you spew more people won't die next time. It was never about the masks you moron it was always about fear and gas lighting so they could get us to the point of turning the US into a fascist regime ie dictatorship.

As I read your posts I know you are too stupid to understand you have been had.

Love all the grammar errors and insanity caps here. Definitely sounds rational! 👍

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm worried there is. Trump and RFK Jr. combined are likely to get 50% of the vote. Very troubling to think a majority will vote for anti-science, post-truth presidential candidates.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And meanwhile, surgeons wear masks... because they reduce transmission of germs.

And you know this.

Pretty sure not a single one of the anti-maskers on this thread are scoffing at their surgeons, telling them masks don't work, and demanding they don't wear masks in the operating theater. The whole anti-mask thing is so ridiculously dishonest.

I think you are a little too slow to be participating in this conversation. Try to keep up.

Oh, so you DO tell surgeons to stop wearing masks because according to you, they are ineffective and pointless? WHAT A TOOL you are!

Like I said, too slow for this conversation. You don’t seem to understand the difference between the effectiveness of masks in specific clinical settings versus mask mandates that required, for instance, daycare centers to mask toddlers. Democratic policymakers required masking toddlers long after there was no credible basis for harming children that way.

Well at least now we're getting somewhere. You have now finally admitted that masks DO IN FACT work, when surgeons wear them. From here on out, there's no taking that one back. Masks are indeed useful, helpful and effective.

But then you lost the plot and tried moving the goalposts by saying since toddlers might not be able to properly put on or keep on a mask , it's apparently pointless for anyone at all other than surgeons to wear masks (note that nobody here was even talking about toddlers). Sorry, but that's some harebrained logic there. I'm definitely not the slow one in this conversation. And again, the real-world observational studies did in fact show overall reductions in transmission, toddlers or no.

All this scrambling and disassembling to hide the fact that your people promulgated anti-scientific policies, like the Republicans.

It was your team that kept schools closed contrary to science (shall I point out the mountains of data demonstrating the incredible harm that did?), your team that pushed mask mandates that didn’t work even after there was proof they didn’t, etc. But you are so partisan and blind you can’t admit it.

Don’t come at me claiming that the Republicans are also anti-science. Of course they are. I am not a Republican, anyhow, and will never vote for Trump. But I despise Democratic hypocrisy and partisan blindness. The Democrats are objectively anti-science, just like the Republicans. You are just mad because people see through your cult beliefs.

No. After all of YOUR scrambling and dissembling, YOU ADMITTED THAT MASKS CAN AND DO INDEED WORK. And the science showed that. Not your limited cherrypicked set of clinical-only studies, but the broader set of real-world studies. And, your surgeon. You lost the argument, and now you're whining and spinning and attacking like a toddler having a tantrum. You lost the debate. Period.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I'm worried there is. Trump and RFK Jr. combined are likely to get 50% of the vote. Very troubling to think a majority will vote for anti-science, post-truth presidential candidates.

That was exactly the Trump camp's strategy all along. Remember Steve Bannon's infamous quote, which laid it out: "flood the zone."

Constantly keep people off balance, overwhelm the media, keep everyone playing whack-a-mole chasing after the endless barrage of lies and disinformation. That sums it all up. Some of us can see it, but the covid conspiracists and others who weirdly keep calling the rest of us "cultists" can't even understand how they play right into it and how it's destroying America and how it is in fact them who are the cultists - in the Cult of Trumpism.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And meanwhile, surgeons wear masks... because they reduce transmission of germs.

And you know this.

Pretty sure not a single one of the anti-maskers on this thread are scoffing at their surgeons, telling them masks don't work, and demanding they don't wear masks in the operating theater. The whole anti-mask thing is so ridiculously dishonest.

I think you are a little too slow to be participating in this conversation. Try to keep up.

Oh, so you DO tell surgeons to stop wearing masks because according to you, they are ineffective and pointless? WHAT A TOOL you are!

Like I said, too slow for this conversation. You don’t seem to understand the difference between the effectiveness of masks in specific clinical settings versus mask mandates that required, for instance, daycare centers to mask toddlers. Democratic policymakers required masking toddlers long after there was no credible basis for harming children that way.

Well at least now we're getting somewhere. You have now finally admitted that masks DO IN FACT work, when surgeons wear them. From here on out, there's no taking that one back. Masks are indeed useful, helpful and effective.

But then you lost the plot and tried moving the goalposts by saying since toddlers might not be able to properly put on or keep on a mask , it's apparently pointless for anyone at all other than surgeons to wear masks (note that nobody here was even talking about toddlers). Sorry, but that's some harebrained logic there. I'm definitely not the slow one in this conversation. And again, the real-world observational studies did in fact show overall reductions in transmission, toddlers or no.

All this scrambling and disassembling to hide the fact that your people promulgated anti-scientific policies, like the Republicans.

It was your team that kept schools closed contrary to science (shall I point out the mountains of data demonstrating the incredible harm that did?), your team that pushed mask mandates that didn’t work even after there was proof they didn’t, etc. But you are so partisan and blind you can’t admit it.

Don’t come at me claiming that the Republicans are also anti-science. Of course they are. I am not a Republican, anyhow, and will never vote for Trump. But I despise Democratic hypocrisy and partisan blindness. The Democrats are objectively anti-science, just like the Republicans. You are just mad because people see through your cult beliefs.

No. After all of YOUR scrambling and dissembling, YOU ADMITTED THAT MASKS CAN AND DO INDEED WORK. And the science showed that. Not your limited cherrypicked set of clinical-only studies, but the broader set of real-world studies. And, your surgeon. You lost the argument, and now you're whining and spinning and attacking like a toddler having a tantrum. You lost the debate. Period.

+1,000%.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We've had 15 pages of republicans berating democrats for believing things about covid that have been proven to be wrong in hindsight.

Now I'd like a republican to address why they keep saying Biden has open borders even though he expelled a record number of migrants in 2022 while he had title 42 available. And continues high numbers of returns and removals without title 42. I get that many of you would like more, but that's not open borders. Are you post-truth on that?

Both can be true. Biden’s policies can be accurately described as open border while he also simultaneously expels record number of migrants (because record numbers are coming due to those policies).

I’m not a Republican, though.

Love the irony! But no it can't.

You've really distilled post-truth to it's core with this nonsense disguised as paradox. Kudos on contributing to the downfall of society.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And meanwhile, surgeons wear masks... because they reduce transmission of germs.

And you know this.

Pretty sure not a single one of the anti-maskers on this thread are scoffing at their surgeons, telling them masks don't work, and demanding they don't wear masks in the operating theater. The whole anti-mask thing is so ridiculously dishonest.

I think you are a little too slow to be participating in this conversation. Try to keep up.

Oh, so you DO tell surgeons to stop wearing masks because according to you, they are ineffective and pointless? WHAT A TOOL you are!

Like I said, too slow for this conversation. You don’t seem to understand the difference between the effectiveness of masks in specific clinical settings versus mask mandates that required, for instance, daycare centers to mask toddlers. Democratic policymakers required masking toddlers long after there was no credible basis for harming children that way.

Well at least now we're getting somewhere. You have now finally admitted that masks DO IN FACT work, when surgeons wear them. From here on out, there's no taking that one back. Masks are indeed useful, helpful and effective.

But then you lost the plot and tried moving the goalposts by saying since toddlers might not be able to properly put on or keep on a mask , it's apparently pointless for anyone at all other than surgeons to wear masks (note that nobody here was even talking about toddlers). Sorry, but that's some harebrained logic there. I'm definitely not the slow one in this conversation. And again, the real-world observational studies did in fact show overall reductions in transmission, toddlers or no.

All this scrambling and disassembling to hide the fact that your people promulgated anti-scientific policies, like the Republicans.

It was your team that kept schools closed contrary to science (shall I point out the mountains of data demonstrating the incredible harm that did?), your team that pushed mask mandates that didn’t work even after there was proof they didn’t, etc. But you are so partisan and blind you can’t admit it.

Don’t come at me claiming that the Republicans are also anti-science. Of course they are. I am not a Republican, anyhow, and will never vote for Trump. But I despise Democratic hypocrisy and partisan blindness. The Democrats are objectively anti-science, just like the Republicans. You are just mad because people see through your cult beliefs.

No. After all of YOUR scrambling and dissembling, YOU ADMITTED THAT MASKS CAN AND DO INDEED WORK. And the science showed that. Not your limited cherrypicked set of clinical-only studies, but the broader set of real-world studies. And, your surgeon. You lost the argument, and now you're whining and spinning and attacking like a toddler having a tantrum. You lost the debate. Period.

Surgical masks require a proper fitting.

Did you get your n95 properly fitted?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And meanwhile, surgeons wear masks... because they reduce transmission of germs.

And you know this.

Pretty sure not a single one of the anti-maskers on this thread are scoffing at their surgeons, telling them masks don't work, and demanding they don't wear masks in the operating theater. The whole anti-mask thing is so ridiculously dishonest.

I think you are a little too slow to be participating in this conversation. Try to keep up.

Oh, so you DO tell surgeons to stop wearing masks because according to you, they are ineffective and pointless? WHAT A TOOL you are!

Like I said, too slow for this conversation. You don’t seem to understand the difference between the effectiveness of masks in specific clinical settings versus mask mandates that required, for instance, daycare centers to mask toddlers. Democratic policymakers required masking toddlers long after there was no credible basis for harming children that way.

Well at least now we're getting somewhere. You have now finally admitted that masks DO IN FACT work, when surgeons wear them. From here on out, there's no taking that one back. Masks are indeed useful, helpful and effective.

But then you lost the plot and tried moving the goalposts by saying since toddlers might not be able to properly put on or keep on a mask , it's apparently pointless for anyone at all other than surgeons to wear masks (note that nobody here was even talking about toddlers). Sorry, but that's some harebrained logic there. I'm definitely not the slow one in this conversation. And again, the real-world observational studies did in fact show overall reductions in transmission, toddlers or no.

All this scrambling and disassembling to hide the fact that your people promulgated anti-scientific policies, like the Republicans.

It was your team that kept schools closed contrary to science (shall I point out the mountains of data demonstrating the incredible harm that did?), your team that pushed mask mandates that didn’t work even after there was proof they didn’t, etc. But you are so partisan and blind you can’t admit it.

Don’t come at me claiming that the Republicans are also anti-science. Of course they are. I am not a Republican, anyhow, and will never vote for Trump. But I despise Democratic hypocrisy and partisan blindness. The Democrats are objectively anti-science, just like the Republicans. You are just mad because people see through your cult beliefs.

No. After all of YOUR scrambling and dissembling, YOU ADMITTED THAT MASKS CAN AND DO INDEED WORK. And the science showed that. Not your limited cherrypicked set of clinical-only studies, but the broader set of real-world studies. And, your surgeon. You lost the argument, and now you're whining and spinning and attacking like a toddler having a tantrum. You lost the debate. Period.

Fascinating. You don’t seem to understand that you are talking with multiple posters. I think my initial assessment that you are a little slow was correct. You don’t understand what the word debate even means.

For the record, I have never said masks don’t work. In fact, I explicitly stated they did. But what do not work — as shown by science — are mask mandates. But I think you were one of the PPs who did not comprehend the difference between masks and mask mandates, so that distinction is probably a bit too challenging for you. Bless.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And meanwhile, surgeons wear masks... because they reduce transmission of germs.

And you know this.

Pretty sure not a single one of the anti-maskers on this thread are scoffing at their surgeons, telling them masks don't work, and demanding they don't wear masks in the operating theater. The whole anti-mask thing is so ridiculously dishonest.

I think you are a little too slow to be participating in this conversation. Try to keep up.

Oh, so you DO tell surgeons to stop wearing masks because according to you, they are ineffective and pointless? WHAT A TOOL you are!

Like I said, too slow for this conversation. You don’t seem to understand the difference between the effectiveness of masks in specific clinical settings versus mask mandates that required, for instance, daycare centers to mask toddlers. Democratic policymakers required masking toddlers long after there was no credible basis for harming children that way.

Well at least now we're getting somewhere. You have now finally admitted that masks DO IN FACT work, when surgeons wear them. From here on out, there's no taking that one back. Masks are indeed useful, helpful and effective.

But then you lost the plot and tried moving the goalposts by saying since toddlers might not be able to properly put on or keep on a mask , it's apparently pointless for anyone at all other than surgeons to wear masks (note that nobody here was even talking about toddlers). Sorry, but that's some harebrained logic there. I'm definitely not the slow one in this conversation. And again, the real-world observational studies did in fact show overall reductions in transmission, toddlers or no.

All this scrambling and disassembling to hide the fact that your people promulgated anti-scientific policies, like the Republicans.

It was your team that kept schools closed contrary to science (shall I point out the mountains of data demonstrating the incredible harm that did?), your team that pushed mask mandates that didn’t work even after there was proof they didn’t, etc. But you are so partisan and blind you can’t admit it.

Don’t come at me claiming that the Republicans are also anti-science. Of course they are. I am not a Republican, anyhow, and will never vote for Trump. But I despise Democratic hypocrisy and partisan blindness. The Democrats are objectively anti-science, just like the Republicans. You are just mad because people see through your cult beliefs.

No. After all of YOUR scrambling and dissembling, YOU ADMITTED THAT MASKS CAN AND DO INDEED WORK. And the science showed that. Not your limited cherrypicked set of clinical-only studies, but the broader set of real-world studies. And, your surgeon. You lost the argument, and now you're whining and spinning and attacking like a toddler having a tantrum. You lost the debate. Period.

Surgical masks require a proper fitting.

Did you get your n95 properly fitted?

You seem confused. Surgeons wear standard masks, just like the commercially available disposable ear loop N95s that most regular people wore throughout the pandemic. They typically do not wear respirators which require special fitting.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And meanwhile, surgeons wear masks... because they reduce transmission of germs.

And you know this.

Pretty sure not a single one of the anti-maskers on this thread are scoffing at their surgeons, telling them masks don't work, and demanding they don't wear masks in the operating theater. The whole anti-mask thing is so ridiculously dishonest.

I think you are a little too slow to be participating in this conversation. Try to keep up.

Oh, so you DO tell surgeons to stop wearing masks because according to you, they are ineffective and pointless? WHAT A TOOL you are!

Like I said, too slow for this conversation. You don’t seem to understand the difference between the effectiveness of masks in specific clinical settings versus mask mandates that required, for instance, daycare centers to mask toddlers. Democratic policymakers required masking toddlers long after there was no credible basis for harming children that way.

Well at least now we're getting somewhere. You have now finally admitted that masks DO IN FACT work, when surgeons wear them. From here on out, there's no taking that one back. Masks are indeed useful, helpful and effective.

But then you lost the plot and tried moving the goalposts by saying since toddlers might not be able to properly put on or keep on a mask , it's apparently pointless for anyone at all other than surgeons to wear masks (note that nobody here was even talking about toddlers). Sorry, but that's some harebrained logic there. I'm definitely not the slow one in this conversation. And again, the real-world observational studies did in fact show overall reductions in transmission, toddlers or no.

All this scrambling and disassembling to hide the fact that your people promulgated anti-scientific policies, like the Republicans.

It was your team that kept schools closed contrary to science (shall I point out the mountains of data demonstrating the incredible harm that did?), your team that pushed mask mandates that didn’t work even after there was proof they didn’t, etc. But you are so partisan and blind you can’t admit it.

Don’t come at me claiming that the Republicans are also anti-science. Of course they are. I am not a Republican, anyhow, and will never vote for Trump. But I despise Democratic hypocrisy and partisan blindness. The Democrats are objectively anti-science, just like the Republicans. You are just mad because people see through your cult beliefs.

No. After all of YOUR scrambling and dissembling, YOU ADMITTED THAT MASKS CAN AND DO INDEED WORK. And the science showed that. Not your limited cherrypicked set of clinical-only studies, but the broader set of real-world studies. And, your surgeon. You lost the argument, and now you're whining and spinning and attacking like a toddler having a tantrum. You lost the debate. Period.

Fascinating. You don’t seem to understand that you are talking with multiple posters. I think my initial assessment that you are a little slow was correct. You don’t understand what the word debate even means.

For the record, I have never said masks don’t work. In fact, I explicitly stated they did. But what do not work — as shown by science — are mask mandates. But I think you were one of the PPs who did not comprehend the difference between masks and mask mandates, so that distinction is probably a bit too challenging for you. Bless.

Ahhh there it is, the ole "it wasn't me, I didn't say that, since we're all anonymous I will deny everything and pretend I have plausible deniability."

Sorry pal but you're the slow one if you don't think we can see right through your tired, lame schtick and BS.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We've had 15 pages of republicans berating democrats for believing things about covid that have been proven to be wrong in hindsight.

Now I'd like a republican to address why they keep saying Biden has open borders even though he expelled a record number of migrants in 2022 while he had title 42 available. And continues high numbers of returns and removals without title 42. I get that many of you would like more, but that's not open borders. Are you post-truth on that?

Both can be true. Biden’s policies can be accurately described as open border while he also simultaneously expels record number of migrants (because record numbers are coming due to those policies).

I’m not a Republican, though.

Love the irony! But no it can't.

You've really distilled post-truth to it's core with this nonsense disguised as paradox. Kudos on contributing to the downfall of society.

Sometimes I wish I could be as simple-minded as you and the other PPs who believe that the Democrats are always on the side of truth and science and right. It would certainly be easier to go through life believing anything my side said was unquestionably always true and right, just because they said it. Never having to entertain a critical thought, never questioning leaders, just always trusting: it is appealing in a way. I’m a little jealous of the simplicity that must bring to your life.

But it was alright, everything was alright, the struggle was finished. He had won the victory over himself. He loved Big Brother.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And meanwhile, surgeons wear masks... because they reduce transmission of germs.

And you know this.

Pretty sure not a single one of the anti-maskers on this thread are scoffing at their surgeons, telling them masks don't work, and demanding they don't wear masks in the operating theater. The whole anti-mask thing is so ridiculously dishonest.

I think you are a little too slow to be participating in this conversation. Try to keep up.

Oh, so you DO tell surgeons to stop wearing masks because according to you, they are ineffective and pointless? WHAT A TOOL you are!

Like I said, too slow for this conversation. You don’t seem to understand the difference between the effectiveness of masks in specific clinical settings versus mask mandates that required, for instance, daycare centers to mask toddlers. Democratic policymakers required masking toddlers long after there was no credible basis for harming children that way.

Well at least now we're getting somewhere. You have now finally admitted that masks DO IN FACT work, when surgeons wear them. From here on out, there's no taking that one back. Masks are indeed useful, helpful and effective.

But then you lost the plot and tried moving the goalposts by saying since toddlers might not be able to properly put on or keep on a mask , it's apparently pointless for anyone at all other than surgeons to wear masks (note that nobody here was even talking about toddlers). Sorry, but that's some harebrained logic there. I'm definitely not the slow one in this conversation. And again, the real-world observational studies did in fact show overall reductions in transmission, toddlers or no.

All this scrambling and disassembling to hide the fact that your people promulgated anti-scientific policies, like the Republicans.

It was your team that kept schools closed contrary to science (shall I point out the mountains of data demonstrating the incredible harm that did?), your team that pushed mask mandates that didn’t work even after there was proof they didn’t, etc. But you are so partisan and blind you can’t admit it.

Don’t come at me claiming that the Republicans are also anti-science. Of course they are. I am not a Republican, anyhow, and will never vote for Trump. But I despise Democratic hypocrisy and partisan blindness. The Democrats are objectively anti-science, just like the Republicans. You are just mad because people see through your cult beliefs.

No. After all of YOUR scrambling and dissembling, YOU ADMITTED THAT MASKS CAN AND DO INDEED WORK. And the science showed that. Not your limited cherrypicked set of clinical-only studies, but the broader set of real-world studies. And, your surgeon. You lost the argument, and now you're whining and spinning and attacking like a toddler having a tantrum. You lost the debate. Period.

Fascinating. You don’t seem to understand that you are talking with multiple posters. I think my initial assessment that you are a little slow was correct. You don’t understand what the word debate even means.

For the record, I have never said masks don’t work. In fact, I explicitly stated they did. But what do not work — as shown by science — are mask mandates. But I think you were one of the PPs who did not comprehend the difference between masks and mask mandates, so that distinction is probably a bit too challenging for you. Bless.

Oh really. Well, several pages back, you, or someone with your exact same weird, overly stilted style of posting cited the Cochrane study as evidence that masking does not work and berated the rest of us calling us anti-science for saying masks do work.

Later on, when that argument failed with the continued onslaught of studies and evidence showing the effectiveness of masks, the goalposts got moved to "mask MANDATES don't work" despite again having absolutely no evidence to back that claim up, because the Cochrane study certainly didn't speak to that. Your positions keep eroding and crumbling, yet you are too arrogant and self-deluded to acknowledge what the rest of us see happening, over and over and over again with you and your weak talking points.