Is there a "post-truth" majority in the US?

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Anonymous wrote:This is what happens when newspapers, TV news, and other media become advocacy organizations rather than objective reporters of facts. I just assume they are all paid liars for whoever is the highest bidder. What you call post truth is people who have turned away from corporate media BS. Now the good news is that with the internet you can become well informed on any topic…more so than ever before in human history.

Agree. Covid really pushed this forward. It was pretty clear to any thinking person that it was highly likely that a worldwide pandemic that emerged from a city where there was a lab studying that exact family of viruses originated from a lab leak.

The idea that people who stated the obvious were called racist and were shut down by the mainstream media made it clear to me that journalism as we had known it in the past was over. No one wanted the truth, they wanted to carry out their bosses’ bidding.

Love the assertion that people were called racist for merely suggesting there might have been a lab leak. That's precious.

That's not why and you know it. You people were shunning, verbally and physically attacking Asians, even ones who weren't Chinese, you were yammering about "bat soup" and other things every chance you got. That was the racist part.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This is what happens when newspapers, TV news, and other media become advocacy organizations rather than objective reporters of facts. I just assume they are all paid liars for whoever is the highest bidder. What you call post truth is people who have turned away from corporate media BS. Now the good news is that with the internet you can become well informed on any topic…more so than ever before in human history.

Agree. Covid really pushed this forward. It was pretty clear to any thinking person that it was highly likely that a worldwide pandemic that emerged from a city where there was a lab studying that exact family of viruses originated from a lab leak.

The idea that people who stated the obvious were called racist and were shut down by the mainstream media made it clear to me that journalism as we had known it in the past was over. No one wanted the truth, they wanted to carry out their bosses’ bidding.

Love the assertion that people were called racist for merely suggesting there might have been a lab leak. That's precious.

^ Look at this one gaslighting about anti-Asian racism.

https://www.npr.org/2021/08/12/1027236499/anti-asian-hate-crimes-assaults-pandemic-incidents-aapi

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Anonymous wrote:This is what happens when newspapers, TV news, and other media become advocacy organizations rather than objective reporters of facts. I just assume they are all paid liars for whoever is the highest bidder. What you call post truth is people who have turned away from corporate media BS. Now the good news is that with the internet you can become well informed on any topic…more so than ever before in human history.

Agree. Covid really pushed this forward. It was pretty clear to any thinking person that it was highly likely that a worldwide pandemic that emerged from a city where there was a lab studying that exact family of viruses originated from a lab leak.

The idea that people who stated the obvious were called racist and were shut down by the mainstream media made it clear to me that journalism as we had known it in the past was over. No one wanted the truth, they wanted to carry out their bosses’ bidding.

Love the assertion that people were called racist for merely suggesting there might have been a lab leak. That's precious.

That's not why and you know it. You people were shunning, verbally and physically attacking Asians, even ones who weren't Chinese, you were yammering about "bat soup" and other things every chance you got. That was the racist part.

"There was no racism! We merely suggested there was a lab leak!"

https://www.pewresearch.org/race-ethnicity/2023/11/30/asian-americans-and-discrimination-during-the-covid-19-pandemic/

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This is what happens when newspapers, TV news, and other media become advocacy organizations rather than objective reporters of facts. I just assume they are all paid liars for whoever is the highest bidder. What you call post truth is people who have turned away from corporate media BS. Now the good news is that with the internet you can become well informed on any topic…more so than ever before in human history.

Agree. Covid really pushed this forward. It was pretty clear to any thinking person that it was highly likely that a worldwide pandemic that emerged from a city where there was a lab studying that exact family of viruses originated from a lab leak.

The idea that people who stated the obvious were called racist and were shut down by the mainstream media made it clear to me that journalism as we had known it in the past was over. No one wanted the truth, they wanted to carry out their bosses’ bidding.

Love the assertion that people were called racist for merely suggesting there might have been a lab leak. That's precious.

Seriously? Were you not on DCUM during the pandemic?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This is what happens when newspapers, TV news, and other media become advocacy organizations rather than objective reporters of facts. I just assume they are all paid liars for whoever is the highest bidder. What you call post truth is people who have turned away from corporate media BS. Now the good news is that with the internet you can become well informed on any topic…more so than ever before in human history.

Agree. Covid really pushed this forward. It was pretty clear to any thinking person that it was highly likely that a worldwide pandemic that emerged from a city where there was a lab studying that exact family of viruses originated from a lab leak.

The idea that people who stated the obvious were called racist and were shut down by the mainstream media made it clear to me that journalism as we had known it in the past was over. No one wanted the truth, they wanted to carry out their bosses’ bidding.

Love the assertion that people were called racist for merely suggesting there might have been a lab leak. That's precious.

How short is your memory? https://www.thewrap.com/new-york-times-covid-lab-leak-apoorva-mandavilli/

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This is what happens when newspapers, TV news, and other media become advocacy organizations rather than objective reporters of facts. I just assume they are all paid liars for whoever is the highest bidder. What you call post truth is people who have turned away from corporate media BS. Now the good news is that with the internet you can become well informed on any topic…more so than ever before in human history.

Agree. Covid really pushed this forward. It was pretty clear to any thinking person that it was highly likely that a worldwide pandemic that emerged from a city where there was a lab studying that exact family of viruses originated from a lab leak.

The idea that people who stated the obvious were called racist and were shut down by the mainstream media made it clear to me that journalism as we had known it in the past was over. No one wanted the truth, they wanted to carry out their bosses’ bidding.

Love the assertion that people were called racist for merely suggesting there might have been a lab leak. That's precious.

Seriously? Were you not on DCUM during the pandemic?

To be fair, any mention of the possibility of a lab leak was swiftly deleted from DCUM.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I don't think it's a majority, but the people that are existing this way are very vocal. It's great business for idiot podcasters and their audiences.

Yup, look at Joe Rogan, Russell Brand and Jimmy Dore whose programs are rife with bad information. Infotainment for gullible idiots.

This "infotainment" has sadly become baked into belligerent refrains of "I dID mY rESeArCH" for millions of Americans.

They need to be deprogrammed. This crap is destroying America.

We used to leave science to the scientists. Now you the likes of Rogan, Brand and Dore "reading" what's in science journals to their gullible audiences.

Somewhere along the way “Science” let itself become just another big money racket that really, really wasn’t interested in outside opinions. Climate and pharmaceuticals being the worst examples but I’m sure there are many others.

I’m happy there are people out there like Joe Rogan participating in an ongoing free exchange of ideas. Have listened to him a handful of times and it’s usually pretty thought provoking.

Would be fascinated to hear your take on the hole in the ozone layer. Or the polio vaccine.

NP who agrees with the PP.

The polio vaccine was great. I love not being stricken with polio.

The ozone? Is it 1988? Are you a Russian troll?
https://www.nasa.gov/missions/aura/ozone-hole-continues-shrinking-in-2022-nasa-and-noaa-scientists-say/

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/ozone-hole-was-super-scary-what-happened-it-180957775/

Now why don’t you share with us your take on evolutionary biology.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This is what happens when newspapers, TV news, and other media become advocacy organizations rather than objective reporters of facts. I just assume they are all paid liars for whoever is the highest bidder. What you call post truth is people who have turned away from corporate media BS. Now the good news is that with the internet you can become well informed on any topic…more so than ever before in human history.

Agree. Covid really pushed this forward. It was pretty clear to any thinking person that it was highly likely that a worldwide pandemic that emerged from a city where there was a lab studying that exact family of viruses originated from a lab leak.

The idea that people who stated the obvious were called racist and were shut down by the mainstream media made it clear to me that journalism as we had known it in the past was over. No one wanted the truth, they wanted to carry out their bosses’ bidding.

Love the assertion that people were called racist for merely suggesting there might have been a lab leak. That's precious.

That's not why and you know it. You people were shunning, verbally and physically attacking Asians, even ones who weren't Chinese, you were yammering about "bat soup" and other things every chance you got. That was the racist part.

"There was no racism! We merely suggested there was a lab leak!"

https://www.pewresearch.org/race-ethnicity/2023/11/30/asian-americans-and-discrimination-during-the-covid-19-pandemic/

I think we all agree racism is bad, but so is hiding the truth about the origins of the virus. As is calling people racist for speaking truthfully about it. This is why people no longer trust the mainstream media. They care more about the right PR than the truth.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is what happens when newspapers, TV news, and other media become advocacy organizations rather than objective reporters of facts. I just assume they are all paid liars for whoever is the highest bidder. What you call post truth is people who have turned away from corporate media BS. Now the good news is that with the internet you can become well informed on any topic…more so than ever before in human history.

Agree. Covid really pushed this forward. It was pretty clear to any thinking person that it was highly likely that a worldwide pandemic that emerged from a city where there was a lab studying that exact family of viruses originated from a lab leak.

The idea that people who stated the obvious were called racist and were shut down by the mainstream media made it clear to me that journalism as we had known it in the past was over. No one wanted the truth, they wanted to carry out their bosses’ bidding.

Love the assertion that people were called racist for merely suggesting there might have been a lab leak. That's precious.

Seriously? Were you not on DCUM during the pandemic?

To be fair, any mention of the possibility of a lab leak was swiftly deleted from DCUM.

As is any discussion of what it entails to be part of a species that has sexually dimorphic reproduction.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is what happens when newspapers, TV news, and other media become advocacy organizations rather than objective reporters of facts. I just assume they are all paid liars for whoever is the highest bidder. What you call post truth is people who have turned away from corporate media BS. Now the good news is that with the internet you can become well informed on any topic…more so than ever before in human history.

Agree. Covid really pushed this forward. It was pretty clear to any thinking person that it was highly likely that a worldwide pandemic that emerged from a city where there was a lab studying that exact family of viruses originated from a lab leak.

The idea that people who stated the obvious were called racist and were shut down by the mainstream media made it clear to me that journalism as we had known it in the past was over. No one wanted the truth, they wanted to carry out their bosses’ bidding.

Love the assertion that people were called racist for merely suggesting there might have been a lab leak. That's precious.

That's not why and you know it. You people were shunning, verbally and physically attacking Asians, even ones who weren't Chinese, you were yammering about "bat soup" and other things every chance you got. That was the racist part.

"There was no racism! We merely suggested there was a lab leak!"

https://www.pewresearch.org/race-ethnicity/2023/11/30/asian-americans-and-discrimination-during-the-covid-19-pandemic/

I think we all agree racism is bad, but so is hiding the truth about the origins of the virus. As is calling people racist for speaking truthfully about it. This is why people no longer trust the mainstream media. They care more about the right PR than the truth.

Not trusting the mainstream media started long before Covid for most of us. Have you not heard of Fox News or MSNBC? They aren't newbies. Cables news is unfortunately mainstream these days.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is what happens when newspapers, TV news, and other media become advocacy organizations rather than objective reporters of facts. I just assume they are all paid liars for whoever is the highest bidder. What you call post truth is people who have turned away from corporate media BS. Now the good news is that with the internet you can become well informed on any topic…more so than ever before in human history.

Agree. Covid really pushed this forward. It was pretty clear to any thinking person that it was highly likely that a worldwide pandemic that emerged from a city where there was a lab studying that exact family of viruses originated from a lab leak.

The idea that people who stated the obvious were called racist and were shut down by the mainstream media made it clear to me that journalism as we had known it in the past was over. No one wanted the truth, they wanted to carry out their bosses’ bidding.

Love the assertion that people were called racist for merely suggesting there might have been a lab leak. That's precious.

That's not why and you know it. You people were shunning, verbally and physically attacking Asians, even ones who weren't Chinese, you were yammering about "bat soup" and other things every chance you got. That was the racist part.

"There was no racism! We merely suggested there was a lab leak!"

https://www.pewresearch.org/race-ethnicity/2023/11/30/asian-americans-and-discrimination-during-the-covid-19-pandemic/

I think we all agree racism is bad, but so is hiding the truth about the origins of the virus. As is calling people racist for speaking truthfully about it. This is why people no longer trust the mainstream media. They care more about the right PR than the truth.

Not trusting the mainstream media started long before Covid for most of us. Have you not heard of Fox News or MSNBC? They aren't newbies. Cables news is unfortunately mainstream these days.

That goes to op’s point though. Op and others posit that this “post-truth” era impacts only the right, when it’s clearly an issue on both sides of the aisle. We can’t trust our media sources to provide unbiased reporting. They don’t care about facts or truth, they care about the messaging they’re meant to provide. That’s true for both Fox News and the New York Times.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm worried there is. Trump and RFK Jr. combined are likely to get 50% of the vote. Very troubling to think a majority will vote for anti-science, post-truth presidential candidates.

Republican scientist here.

[Anonymous]

Yes. Objective truth, operating on the basis of antithesis (if a statement is true, the opposite of that statement cannot be true) is dead.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This is what happens when newspapers, TV news, and other media become advocacy organizations rather than objective reporters of facts. I just assume they are all paid liars for whoever is the highest bidder. What you call post truth is people who have turned away from corporate media BS. Now the good news is that with the internet you can become well informed on any topic…more so than ever before in human history.

Agree. Covid really pushed this forward. It was pretty clear to any thinking person that it was highly likely that a worldwide pandemic that emerged from a city where there was a lab studying that exact family of viruses originated from a lab leak.

The idea that people who stated the obvious were called racist and were shut down by the mainstream media made it clear to me that journalism as we had known it in the past was over. No one wanted the truth, they wanted to carry out their bosses’ bidding.

Love the assertion that people were called racist for merely suggesting there might have been a lab leak. That's precious.

That's not why and you know it. You people were shunning, verbally and physically attacking Asians, even ones who weren't Chinese, you were yammering about "bat soup" and other things every chance you got. That was the racist part.

"There was no racism! We merely suggested there was a lab leak!"

https://www.pewresearch.org/race-ethnicity/2023/11/30/asian-americans-and-discrimination-during-the-covid-19-pandemic/

I think we all agree racism is bad, but so is hiding the truth about the origins of the virus. As is calling people racist for speaking truthfully about it. This is why people no longer trust the mainstream media. They care more about the right PR than the truth.

Not trusting the mainstream media started long before Covid for most of us. Have you not heard of Fox News or MSNBC? They aren't newbies. Cables news is unfortunately mainstream these days.

That goes to op’s point though. Op and others posit that this “post-truth” era impacts only the right, when it’s clearly an issue on both sides of the aisle. We can’t trust our media sources to provide unbiased reporting. They don’t care about facts or truth, they care about the messaging they’re meant to provide. That’s true for both Fox News and the New York Times.

Wake me up when MSNBC has to pay an $800 million fine for lying to its viewers.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is what happens when newspapers, TV news, and other media become advocacy organizations rather than objective reporters of facts. I just assume they are all paid liars for whoever is the highest bidder. What you call post truth is people who have turned away from corporate media BS. Now the good news is that with the internet you can become well informed on any topic…more so than ever before in human history.

Agree. Covid really pushed this forward. It was pretty clear to any thinking person that it was highly likely that a worldwide pandemic that emerged from a city where there was a lab studying that exact family of viruses originated from a lab leak.

The idea that people who stated the obvious were called racist and were shut down by the mainstream media made it clear to me that journalism as we had known it in the past was over. No one wanted the truth, they wanted to carry out their bosses’ bidding.

Love the assertion that people were called racist for merely suggesting there might have been a lab leak. That's precious.

That's not why and you know it. You people were shunning, verbally and physically attacking Asians, even ones who weren't Chinese, you were yammering about "bat soup" and other things every chance you got. That was the racist part.

"There was no racism! We merely suggested there was a lab leak!"

https://www.pewresearch.org/race-ethnicity/2023/11/30/asian-americans-and-discrimination-during-the-covid-19-pandemic/

I think we all agree racism is bad, but so is hiding the truth about the origins of the virus. As is calling people racist for speaking truthfully about it. This is why people no longer trust the mainstream media. They care more about the right PR than the truth.

Not trusting the mainstream media started long before Covid for most of us. Have you not heard of Fox News or MSNBC? They aren't newbies. Cables news is unfortunately mainstream these days.

That goes to op’s point though. Op and others posit that this “post-truth” era impacts only the right, when it’s clearly an issue on both sides of the aisle. We can’t trust our media sources to provide unbiased reporting. They don’t care about facts or truth, they care about the messaging they’re meant to provide. That’s true for both Fox News and the New York Times.

Wake me up when MSNBC has to pay an $800 million fine for lying to its viewers.

Clearly you don’t care about objective truth. You care about taking sides.