Is there a "post-truth" majority in the US?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Now are there anti-math democrats, because they don't believe that endless money creation devalues the dollar and causes inflation?

Does money really grow on trees?

Who in this thread posted anything about "endless money creation?" Nobody that I've seen. I guess the strategy is that when you don't actually have an argument, you fabricate a strawman of your own.

Democrats do not support endless money creation for the sake of endless money creation.

But they do support expansionary monetary policy as needed to keep up with other real-world expansionary factors such as growing GDP, population growth, increase in the numbers of businesses and industries, need for critical infrastructure, and so on.

If you had been paying attention, you would have seen that the Biden administration and Federal Reserve have been coordinating to try and drive pandemic-related inflation back down and as a result, our inflation rates are now lower than those of most other countries. Biden administration drove inflation down from 9.1% at the tail end of the pandemic to 3.4% as of the latest report, lower than most other countries and the lowest of any G7 nations. Meanwhile you may have forgotten that it was the Trump administration that pumped the economy full of inflation-driving "stimmy checks" which were phased out by Biden. You may have also forgotten that it was the Trump administration that threw money around with the fraud-riddled PPP loans, which were significantly reformed by Biden to rein in the rampant fraud.

So, not only is it a strawman, it's a fail in every other way. And don't even bother coming back at us with a lame retort like "man you didn't even understand the question and you're dim"

This assertion is post-truth. Not only does the US not have the lowest inflation of any G7 country, it has the highest inflation rate. It is 25% higher than the next highest and more than four times the rate in the G7 country with the lowest rate.

Italy 0.8%
France 2.2%
Germany 2.2%
UK 2.3%
Japan 2.5%
Canada 2.7%
US 3.4%

https://tradingeconomics.com/country-list/inflation-rate?continent=america

Not entirely "post truth" - inflation rates are continually changing. The US was in fact for a while the lowest of any G-7 nations.

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2023/sep/01/joe-biden/does-the-us-have-less-inflation-than-other-leading/

Last summer, Italy's inflation rate was 5.9%. France's was 4.3%. UK was 6.8%

They brought their inflation rates down despite "ThATs SoCIaLIsM!!!" and "renewable energy is a hoax" and all of the other post-truth right wing bunk that gets in the way of sound policy

Nonetheless, it's lower in parts of europe now. No liberal immediately challenged the claim. But as a dem myself, I will stop believing that our inflation is lower than in europe.

Same here. As a Dem I think it's perfectly fine to update your views based on more current information. But that said, there's also a huge difference between information that was correct a few months ago but is now outdated (as with comparative inflation data), versus things that were right from the start completely fabricated lies, like "the election was stolen" and most of the anti-vax BS. In the first, there was at least an element of truth. In the second, there never was any truth to it.

At one point, we were told masks weren't necessary. So, there's an element of truth to not wearing a mask.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Now are there anti-math democrats, because they don't believe that endless money creation devalues the dollar and causes inflation?

Does money really grow on trees?

Who in this thread posted anything about "endless money creation?" Nobody that I've seen. I guess the strategy is that when you don't actually have an argument, you fabricate a strawman of your own.

Democrats do not support endless money creation for the sake of endless money creation.

But they do support expansionary monetary policy as needed to keep up with other real-world expansionary factors such as growing GDP, population growth, increase in the numbers of businesses and industries, need for critical infrastructure, and so on.

If you had been paying attention, you would have seen that the Biden administration and Federal Reserve have been coordinating to try and drive pandemic-related inflation back down and as a result, our inflation rates are now lower than those of most other countries. Biden administration drove inflation down from 9.1% at the tail end of the pandemic to 3.4% as of the latest report, lower than most other countries and the lowest of any G7 nations. Meanwhile you may have forgotten that it was the Trump administration that pumped the economy full of inflation-driving "stimmy checks" which were phased out by Biden. You may have also forgotten that it was the Trump administration that threw money around with the fraud-riddled PPP loans, which were significantly reformed by Biden to rein in the rampant fraud.

So, not only is it a strawman, it's a fail in every other way. And don't even bother coming back at us with a lame retort like "man you didn't even understand the question and you're dim"

This assertion is post-truth. Not only does the US not have the lowest inflation of any G7 country, it has the highest inflation rate. It is 25% higher than the next highest and more than four times the rate in the G7 country with the lowest rate.

Italy 0.8%
France 2.2%
Germany 2.2%
UK 2.3%
Japan 2.5%
Canada 2.7%
US 3.4%

https://tradingeconomics.com/country-list/inflation-rate?continent=america

Not entirely "post truth" - inflation rates are continually changing. The US was in fact for a while the lowest of any G-7 nations.

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2023/sep/01/joe-biden/does-the-us-have-less-inflation-than-other-leading/

Last summer, Italy's inflation rate was 5.9%. France's was 4.3%. UK was 6.8%

They brought their inflation rates down despite "ThATs SoCIaLIsM!!!" and "renewable energy is a hoax" and all of the other post-truth right wing bunk that gets in the way of sound policy

Nonetheless, it's lower in parts of europe now. No liberal immediately challenged the claim. But as a dem myself, I will stop believing that our inflation is lower than in europe.

Same here. As a Dem I think it's perfectly fine to update your views based on more current information. But that said, there's also a huge difference between information that was correct a few months ago but is now outdated (as with comparative inflation data), versus things that were right from the start completely fabricated lies, like "the election was stolen" and most of the anti-vax BS. In the first, there was at least an element of truth. In the second, there never was any truth to it.

At one point, we were told masks weren't necessary. So, there's an element of truth to not wearing a mask.

That's not the reason why you MAGAs didn't wear masks.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Now are there anti-math democrats, because they don't believe that endless money creation devalues the dollar and causes inflation?

Does money really grow on trees?

Who in this thread posted anything about "endless money creation?" Nobody that I've seen. I guess the strategy is that when you don't actually have an argument, you fabricate a strawman of your own.

Democrats do not support endless money creation for the sake of endless money creation.

But they do support expansionary monetary policy as needed to keep up with other real-world expansionary factors such as growing GDP, population growth, increase in the numbers of businesses and industries, need for critical infrastructure, and so on.

If you had been paying attention, you would have seen that the Biden administration and Federal Reserve have been coordinating to try and drive pandemic-related inflation back down and as a result, our inflation rates are now lower than those of most other countries. Biden administration drove inflation down from 9.1% at the tail end of the pandemic to 3.4% as of the latest report, lower than most other countries and the lowest of any G7 nations. Meanwhile you may have forgotten that it was the Trump administration that pumped the economy full of inflation-driving "stimmy checks" which were phased out by Biden. You may have also forgotten that it was the Trump administration that threw money around with the fraud-riddled PPP loans, which were significantly reformed by Biden to rein in the rampant fraud.

So, not only is it a strawman, it's a fail in every other way. And don't even bother coming back at us with a lame retort like "man you didn't even understand the question and you're dim"

This assertion is post-truth. Not only does the US not have the lowest inflation of any G7 country, it has the highest inflation rate. It is 25% higher than the next highest and more than four times the rate in the G7 country with the lowest rate.

Italy 0.8%
France 2.2%
Germany 2.2%
UK 2.3%
Japan 2.5%
Canada 2.7%
US 3.4%

https://tradingeconomics.com/country-list/inflation-rate?continent=america

3.4% is pretty good. In comparison, Russia's inflation is 7.8%. Turkey's is 69.8%. Argentina's is a whopping 289%.

I really hope Biden runs with this. It’s a hilarious talking point.

Nowhere near as hilarious as the Republicans who are still running around with ludicrous talking points like Millei's about firing 90% of the government, cutting all services and spending to minimalistic levels. That's been a smashing success, pushed Argentina to almost 300% inflation. But there you are with your idiotic Republicans on full display still peddling that broken ideology. I'll take 3.4% over that ANY DAY OF THE WEEK.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Now are there anti-math democrats, because they don't believe that endless money creation devalues the dollar and causes inflation?

Does money really grow on trees?

Who in this thread posted anything about "endless money creation?" Nobody that I've seen. I guess the strategy is that when you don't actually have an argument, you fabricate a strawman of your own.

Democrats do not support endless money creation for the sake of endless money creation.

But they do support expansionary monetary policy as needed to keep up with other real-world expansionary factors such as growing GDP, population growth, increase in the numbers of businesses and industries, need for critical infrastructure, and so on.

If you had been paying attention, you would have seen that the Biden administration and Federal Reserve have been coordinating to try and drive pandemic-related inflation back down and as a result, our inflation rates are now lower than those of most other countries. Biden administration drove inflation down from 9.1% at the tail end of the pandemic to 3.4% as of the latest report, lower than most other countries and the lowest of any G7 nations. Meanwhile you may have forgotten that it was the Trump administration that pumped the economy full of inflation-driving "stimmy checks" which were phased out by Biden. You may have also forgotten that it was the Trump administration that threw money around with the fraud-riddled PPP loans, which were significantly reformed by Biden to rein in the rampant fraud.

So, not only is it a strawman, it's a fail in every other way. And don't even bother coming back at us with a lame retort like "man you didn't even understand the question and you're dim"

This assertion is post-truth. Not only does the US not have the lowest inflation of any G7 country, it has the highest inflation rate. It is 25% higher than the next highest and more than four times the rate in the G7 country with the lowest rate.

Italy 0.8%
France 2.2%
Germany 2.2%
UK 2.3%
Japan 2.5%
Canada 2.7%
US 3.4%

https://tradingeconomics.com/country-list/inflation-rate?continent=america

Not entirely "post truth" - inflation rates are continually changing. The US was in fact for a while the lowest of any G-7 nations.

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2023/sep/01/joe-biden/does-the-us-have-less-inflation-than-other-leading/

Last summer, Italy's inflation rate was 5.9%. France's was 4.3%. UK was 6.8%

They brought their inflation rates down despite "ThATs SoCIaLIsM!!!" and "renewable energy is a hoax" and all of the other post-truth right wing bunk that gets in the way of sound policy

Nonetheless, it's lower in parts of europe now. No liberal immediately challenged the claim. But as a dem myself, I will stop believing that our inflation is lower than in europe.

Same here. As a Dem I think it's perfectly fine to update your views based on more current information. But that said, there's also a huge difference between information that was correct a few months ago but is now outdated (as with comparative inflation data), versus things that were right from the start completely fabricated lies, like "the election was stolen" and most of the anti-vax BS. In the first, there was at least an element of truth. In the second, there never was any truth to it.

There are a lot of conservatives who attempt to crucify people if their position changes based on newer and more comprehensive or accurate information. A lot of conservatives seem to be fixated on whatever it was when they first heard it, and refuse to accept that times and circumstances can and do change. Along with refusing to accept that what they first heard may have been wrong all along.

Agreed. And it's is similar to what the far left does but instead of chronology, they use the oppression pyramid.

Not sure what you're trying to say here, the "oppression pyramid" has nothing to do with changing one's position. Also, are you saying that bias doesn't exist and is just a fabrication of the left?

Whatever they are smoking in your echo chamber, I'll pass. Seems to be having a bad impact on your reasoning and thinking skills.

Some topics really are just a matter of opinion. Like how far we should go to compensate for racial discrimination of the past, versus just removing racial barriers to allow historically oppressed groups to thrive on their own.

However, people on the (far) left act as if their opinions on the topic are facts. I think that's the other side of post-truth. Believing your opinions are facts.

Why are you even bringing this up? The far and it is indeed far far left, no need for your weird parentheses, who you like to tout as talking about "2+2=4 is colonialist" do not even represent 1% of Democrat viewpoints, contrary to whatever weird far right fear mongering propaganda you've steeped yourself in. I'd challenge you to find a credible poll that supports any of the extremist things you seem to think all Dems believe.

Whereas polling shows over 60% of Republicans indicated they believe the lie the election was stolen from Trump via massive fraud. Your side has a much larger contingent of people who believe things that are objectively, factually and provably false. There's no comparison between the two, whatsoever.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Now are there anti-math democrats, because they don't believe that endless money creation devalues the dollar and causes inflation?

Does money really grow on trees?

Who in this thread posted anything about "endless money creation?" Nobody that I've seen. I guess the strategy is that when you don't actually have an argument, you fabricate a strawman of your own.

Democrats do not support endless money creation for the sake of endless money creation.

But they do support expansionary monetary policy as needed to keep up with other real-world expansionary factors such as growing GDP, population growth, increase in the numbers of businesses and industries, need for critical infrastructure, and so on.

If you had been paying attention, you would have seen that the Biden administration and Federal Reserve have been coordinating to try and drive pandemic-related inflation back down and as a result, our inflation rates are now lower than those of most other countries. Biden administration drove inflation down from 9.1% at the tail end of the pandemic to 3.4% as of the latest report, lower than most other countries and the lowest of any G7 nations. Meanwhile you may have forgotten that it was the Trump administration that pumped the economy full of inflation-driving "stimmy checks" which were phased out by Biden. You may have also forgotten that it was the Trump administration that threw money around with the fraud-riddled PPP loans, which were significantly reformed by Biden to rein in the rampant fraud.

So, not only is it a strawman, it's a fail in every other way. And don't even bother coming back at us with a lame retort like "man you didn't even understand the question and you're dim"

This assertion is post-truth. Not only does the US not have the lowest inflation of any G7 country, it has the highest inflation rate. It is 25% higher than the next highest and more than four times the rate in the G7 country with the lowest rate.

Italy 0.8%
France 2.2%
Germany 2.2%
UK 2.3%
Japan 2.5%
Canada 2.7%
US 3.4%

https://tradingeconomics.com/country-list/inflation-rate?continent=america

Not entirely "post truth" - inflation rates are continually changing. The US was in fact for a while the lowest of any G-7 nations.

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2023/sep/01/joe-biden/does-the-us-have-less-inflation-than-other-leading/

Last summer, Italy's inflation rate was 5.9%. France's was 4.3%. UK was 6.8%

They brought their inflation rates down despite "ThATs SoCIaLIsM!!!" and "renewable energy is a hoax" and all of the other post-truth right wing bunk that gets in the way of sound policy

Nonetheless, it's lower in parts of europe now. No liberal immediately challenged the claim. But as a dem myself, I will stop believing that our inflation is lower than in europe.

Same here. As a Dem I think it's perfectly fine to update your views based on more current information. But that said, there's also a huge difference between information that was correct a few months ago but is now outdated (as with comparative inflation data), versus things that were right from the start completely fabricated lies, like "the election was stolen" and most of the anti-vax BS. In the first, there was at least an element of truth. In the second, there never was any truth to it.

There are a lot of conservatives who attempt to crucify people if their position changes based on newer and more comprehensive or accurate information. A lot of conservatives seem to be fixated on whatever it was when they first heard it, and refuse to accept that times and circumstances can and do change. Along with refusing to accept that what they first heard may have been wrong all along.

Agreed. And it's is similar to what the far left does but instead of chronology, they use the oppression pyramid.

Not sure what you're trying to say here, the "oppression pyramid" has nothing to do with changing one's position. Also, are you saying that bias doesn't exist and is just a fabrication of the left?

Whatever they are smoking in your echo chamber, I'll pass. Seems to be having a bad impact on your reasoning and thinking skills.

Some topics really are just a matter of opinion. Like how far we should go to compensate for racial discrimination of the past, versus just removing racial barriers to allow historically oppressed groups to thrive on their own.

However, people on the (far) left act as if their opinions on the topic are facts. I think that's the other side of post-truth. Believing your opinions are facts.

Why are you even bringing this up? The far and it is indeed far far left, no need for your weird parentheses, who you like to tout as talking about "2+2=4 is colonialist" do not even represent 1% of Democrat viewpoints, contrary to whatever weird far right fear mongering propaganda you've steeped yourself in. I'd challenge you to find a credible poll that supports any of the extremist things you seem to think all Dems believe.

Whereas polling shows over 60% of Republicans indicated they believe the lie the election was stolen from Trump via massive fraud. Your side has a much larger contingent of people who believe things that are objectively, factually and provably false. There's no comparison between the two, whatsoever.

This. Post-truth conservatives outnumber the post-truth left about 60 to 1.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Now are there anti-math democrats, because they don't believe that endless money creation devalues the dollar and causes inflation?

Does money really grow on trees?

Who in this thread posted anything about "endless money creation?" Nobody that I've seen. I guess the strategy is that when you don't actually have an argument, you fabricate a strawman of your own.

Democrats do not support endless money creation for the sake of endless money creation.

But they do support expansionary monetary policy as needed to keep up with other real-world expansionary factors such as growing GDP, population growth, increase in the numbers of businesses and industries, need for critical infrastructure, and so on.

If you had been paying attention, you would have seen that the Biden administration and Federal Reserve have been coordinating to try and drive pandemic-related inflation back down and as a result, our inflation rates are now lower than those of most other countries. Biden administration drove inflation down from 9.1% at the tail end of the pandemic to 3.4% as of the latest report, lower than most other countries and the lowest of any G7 nations. Meanwhile you may have forgotten that it was the Trump administration that pumped the economy full of inflation-driving "stimmy checks" which were phased out by Biden. You may have also forgotten that it was the Trump administration that threw money around with the fraud-riddled PPP loans, which were significantly reformed by Biden to rein in the rampant fraud.

So, not only is it a strawman, it's a fail in every other way. And don't even bother coming back at us with a lame retort like "man you didn't even understand the question and you're dim"

This assertion is post-truth. Not only does the US not have the lowest inflation of any G7 country, it has the highest inflation rate. It is 25% higher than the next highest and more than four times the rate in the G7 country with the lowest rate.

Italy 0.8%
France 2.2%
Germany 2.2%
UK 2.3%
Japan 2.5%
Canada 2.7%
US 3.4%

https://tradingeconomics.com/country-list/inflation-rate?continent=america

Not entirely "post truth" - inflation rates are continually changing. The US was in fact for a while the lowest of any G-7 nations.

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2023/sep/01/joe-biden/does-the-us-have-less-inflation-than-other-leading/

Last summer, Italy's inflation rate was 5.9%. France's was 4.3%. UK was 6.8%

They brought their inflation rates down despite "ThATs SoCIaLIsM!!!" and "renewable energy is a hoax" and all of the other post-truth right wing bunk that gets in the way of sound policy

Nonetheless, it's lower in parts of europe now. No liberal immediately challenged the claim. But as a dem myself, I will stop believing that our inflation is lower than in europe.

Same here. As a Dem I think it's perfectly fine to update your views based on more current information. But that said, there's also a huge difference between information that was correct a few months ago but is now outdated (as with comparative inflation data), versus things that were right from the start completely fabricated lies, like "the election was stolen" and most of the anti-vax BS. In the first, there was at least an element of truth. In the second, there never was any truth to it.

There are a lot of conservatives who attempt to crucify people if their position changes based on newer and more comprehensive or accurate information. A lot of conservatives seem to be fixated on whatever it was when they first heard it, and refuse to accept that times and circumstances can and do change. Along with refusing to accept that what they first heard may have been wrong all along.

Agreed. And it's is similar to what the far left does but instead of chronology, they use the oppression pyramid.

Not sure what you're trying to say here, the "oppression pyramid" has nothing to do with changing one's position. Also, are you saying that bias doesn't exist and is just a fabrication of the left?

Whatever they are smoking in your echo chamber, I'll pass. Seems to be having a bad impact on your reasoning and thinking skills.

Some topics really are just a matter of opinion. Like how far we should go to compensate for racial discrimination of the past, versus just removing racial barriers to allow historically oppressed groups to thrive on their own.

However, people on the (far) left act as if their opinions on the topic are facts. I think that's the other side of post-truth. Believing your opinions are facts.

Why are you even bringing this up? The far and it is indeed far far left, no need for your weird parentheses, who you like to tout as talking about "2+2=4 is colonialist" do not even represent 1% of Democrat viewpoints, contrary to whatever weird far right fear mongering propaganda you've steeped yourself in. I'd challenge you to find a credible poll that supports any of the extremist things you seem to think all Dems believe.

Whereas polling shows over 60% of Republicans indicated they believe the lie the election was stolen from Trump via massive fraud. Your side has a much larger contingent of people who believe things that are objectively, factually and provably false. There's no comparison between the two, whatsoever.

This. Post-truth conservatives outnumber the post-truth left about 60 to 1.

It’s so fun to make up statistics! Very post truth.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Now are there anti-math democrats, because they don't believe that endless money creation devalues the dollar and causes inflation?

Does money really grow on trees?

Who in this thread posted anything about "endless money creation?" Nobody that I've seen. I guess the strategy is that when you don't actually have an argument, you fabricate a strawman of your own.

Democrats do not support endless money creation for the sake of endless money creation.

But they do support expansionary monetary policy as needed to keep up with other real-world expansionary factors such as growing GDP, population growth, increase in the numbers of businesses and industries, need for critical infrastructure, and so on.

If you had been paying attention, you would have seen that the Biden administration and Federal Reserve have been coordinating to try and drive pandemic-related inflation back down and as a result, our inflation rates are now lower than those of most other countries. Biden administration drove inflation down from 9.1% at the tail end of the pandemic to 3.4% as of the latest report, lower than most other countries and the lowest of any G7 nations. Meanwhile you may have forgotten that it was the Trump administration that pumped the economy full of inflation-driving "stimmy checks" which were phased out by Biden. You may have also forgotten that it was the Trump administration that threw money around with the fraud-riddled PPP loans, which were significantly reformed by Biden to rein in the rampant fraud.

So, not only is it a strawman, it's a fail in every other way. And don't even bother coming back at us with a lame retort like "man you didn't even understand the question and you're dim"

This assertion is post-truth. Not only does the US not have the lowest inflation of any G7 country, it has the highest inflation rate. It is 25% higher than the next highest and more than four times the rate in the G7 country with the lowest rate.

Italy 0.8%
France 2.2%
Germany 2.2%
UK 2.3%
Japan 2.5%
Canada 2.7%
US 3.4%

https://tradingeconomics.com/country-list/inflation-rate?continent=america

Not entirely "post truth" - inflation rates are continually changing. The US was in fact for a while the lowest of any G-7 nations.

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2023/sep/01/joe-biden/does-the-us-have-less-inflation-than-other-leading/

Last summer, Italy's inflation rate was 5.9%. France's was 4.3%. UK was 6.8%

They brought their inflation rates down despite "ThATs SoCIaLIsM!!!" and "renewable energy is a hoax" and all of the other post-truth right wing bunk that gets in the way of sound policy

Nonetheless, it's lower in parts of europe now. No liberal immediately challenged the claim. But as a dem myself, I will stop believing that our inflation is lower than in europe.

Same here. As a Dem I think it's perfectly fine to update your views based on more current information. But that said, there's also a huge difference between information that was correct a few months ago but is now outdated (as with comparative inflation data), versus things that were right from the start completely fabricated lies, like "the election was stolen" and most of the anti-vax BS. In the first, there was at least an element of truth. In the second, there never was any truth to it.

There are a lot of conservatives who attempt to crucify people if their position changes based on newer and more comprehensive or accurate information. A lot of conservatives seem to be fixated on whatever it was when they first heard it, and refuse to accept that times and circumstances can and do change. Along with refusing to accept that what they first heard may have been wrong all along.

Agreed. And it's is similar to what the far left does but instead of chronology, they use the oppression pyramid.

Not sure what you're trying to say here, the "oppression pyramid" has nothing to do with changing one's position. Also, are you saying that bias doesn't exist and is just a fabrication of the left?

Whatever they are smoking in your echo chamber, I'll pass. Seems to be having a bad impact on your reasoning and thinking skills.

Some topics really are just a matter of opinion. Like how far we should go to compensate for racial discrimination of the past, versus just removing racial barriers to allow historically oppressed groups to thrive on their own.

However, people on the (far) left act as if their opinions on the topic are facts. I think that's the other side of post-truth. Believing your opinions are facts.

Why are you even bringing this up? The far and it is indeed far far left, no need for your weird parentheses, who you like to tout as talking about "2+2=4 is colonialist" do not even represent 1% of Democrat viewpoints, contrary to whatever weird far right fear mongering propaganda you've steeped yourself in. I'd challenge you to find a credible poll that supports any of the extremist things you seem to think all Dems believe.

Whereas polling shows over 60% of Republicans indicated they believe the lie the election was stolen from Trump via massive fraud. Your side has a much larger contingent of people who believe things that are objectively, factually and provably false. There's no comparison between the two, whatsoever.

This. Post-truth conservatives outnumber the post-truth left about 60 to 1.

It’s so fun to make up statistics! Very post truth.

PP didn't make up those statistics. They are her lived experience.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Now are there anti-math democrats, because they don't believe that endless money creation devalues the dollar and causes inflation?

Does money really grow on trees?

Who in this thread posted anything about "endless money creation?" Nobody that I've seen. I guess the strategy is that when you don't actually have an argument, you fabricate a strawman of your own.

Democrats do not support endless money creation for the sake of endless money creation.

But they do support expansionary monetary policy as needed to keep up with other real-world expansionary factors such as growing GDP, population growth, increase in the numbers of businesses and industries, need for critical infrastructure, and so on.

If you had been paying attention, you would have seen that the Biden administration and Federal Reserve have been coordinating to try and drive pandemic-related inflation back down and as a result, our inflation rates are now lower than those of most other countries. Biden administration drove inflation down from 9.1% at the tail end of the pandemic to 3.4% as of the latest report, lower than most other countries and the lowest of any G7 nations. Meanwhile you may have forgotten that it was the Trump administration that pumped the economy full of inflation-driving "stimmy checks" which were phased out by Biden. You may have also forgotten that it was the Trump administration that threw money around with the fraud-riddled PPP loans, which were significantly reformed by Biden to rein in the rampant fraud.

So, not only is it a strawman, it's a fail in every other way. And don't even bother coming back at us with a lame retort like "man you didn't even understand the question and you're dim"

This assertion is post-truth. Not only does the US not have the lowest inflation of any G7 country, it has the highest inflation rate. It is 25% higher than the next highest and more than four times the rate in the G7 country with the lowest rate.

Italy 0.8%
France 2.2%
Germany 2.2%
UK 2.3%
Japan 2.5%
Canada 2.7%
US 3.4%

https://tradingeconomics.com/country-list/inflation-rate?continent=america

Not entirely "post truth" - inflation rates are continually changing. The US was in fact for a while the lowest of any G-7 nations.

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2023/sep/01/joe-biden/does-the-us-have-less-inflation-than-other-leading/

Last summer, Italy's inflation rate was 5.9%. France's was 4.3%. UK was 6.8%

They brought their inflation rates down despite "ThATs SoCIaLIsM!!!" and "renewable energy is a hoax" and all of the other post-truth right wing bunk that gets in the way of sound policy

Nonetheless, it's lower in parts of europe now. No liberal immediately challenged the claim. But as a dem myself, I will stop believing that our inflation is lower than in europe.

Same here. As a Dem I think it's perfectly fine to update your views based on more current information. But that said, there's also a huge difference between information that was correct a few months ago but is now outdated (as with comparative inflation data), versus things that were right from the start completely fabricated lies, like "the election was stolen" and most of the anti-vax BS. In the first, there was at least an element of truth. In the second, there never was any truth to it.

There are a lot of conservatives who attempt to crucify people if their position changes based on newer and more comprehensive or accurate information. A lot of conservatives seem to be fixated on whatever it was when they first heard it, and refuse to accept that times and circumstances can and do change. Along with refusing to accept that what they first heard may have been wrong all along.

Agreed. And it's is similar to what the far left does but instead of chronology, they use the oppression pyramid.

Not sure what you're trying to say here, the "oppression pyramid" has nothing to do with changing one's position. Also, are you saying that bias doesn't exist and is just a fabrication of the left?

Whatever they are smoking in your echo chamber, I'll pass. Seems to be having a bad impact on your reasoning and thinking skills.

Some topics really are just a matter of opinion. Like how far we should go to compensate for racial discrimination of the past, versus just removing racial barriers to allow historically oppressed groups to thrive on their own.

However, people on the (far) left act as if their opinions on the topic are facts. I think that's the other side of post-truth. Believing your opinions are facts.

Why are you even bringing this up? The far and it is indeed far far left, no need for your weird parentheses, who you like to tout as talking about "2+2=4 is colonialist" do not even represent 1% of Democrat viewpoints, contrary to whatever weird far right fear mongering propaganda you've steeped yourself in. I'd challenge you to find a credible poll that supports any of the extremist things you seem to think all Dems believe.

Whereas polling shows over 60% of Republicans indicated they believe the lie the election was stolen from Trump via massive fraud. Your side has a much larger contingent of people who believe things that are objectively, factually and provably false. There's no comparison between the two, whatsoever.

This. Post-truth conservatives outnumber the post-truth left about 60 to 1.

It’s so fun to make up statistics! Very post truth.

PP didn't make up those statistics. They are her lived experience.

Exactly, it's her opinion which she pushes as truth. If you don't agree, she thinks you're a liar.

[Anonymous]

Same PP ^^. Just wanted to add that the 2020 election has been proven to be fairly won by Biden. It's the opinion about republicans in general I am calling an opinion.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Now are there anti-math democrats, because they don't believe that endless money creation devalues the dollar and causes inflation?

Does money really grow on trees?

Who in this thread posted anything about "endless money creation?" Nobody that I've seen. I guess the strategy is that when you don't actually have an argument, you fabricate a strawman of your own.

Democrats do not support endless money creation for the sake of endless money creation.

But they do support expansionary monetary policy as needed to keep up with other real-world expansionary factors such as growing GDP, population growth, increase in the numbers of businesses and industries, need for critical infrastructure, and so on.

If you had been paying attention, you would have seen that the Biden administration and Federal Reserve have been coordinating to try and drive pandemic-related inflation back down and as a result, our inflation rates are now lower than those of most other countries. Biden administration drove inflation down from 9.1% at the tail end of the pandemic to 3.4% as of the latest report, lower than most other countries and the lowest of any G7 nations. Meanwhile you may have forgotten that it was the Trump administration that pumped the economy full of inflation-driving "stimmy checks" which were phased out by Biden. You may have also forgotten that it was the Trump administration that threw money around with the fraud-riddled PPP loans, which were significantly reformed by Biden to rein in the rampant fraud.

So, not only is it a strawman, it's a fail in every other way. And don't even bother coming back at us with a lame retort like "man you didn't even understand the question and you're dim"

This assertion is post-truth. Not only does the US not have the lowest inflation of any G7 country, it has the highest inflation rate. It is 25% higher than the next highest and more than four times the rate in the G7 country with the lowest rate.

Italy 0.8%
France 2.2%
Germany 2.2%
UK 2.3%
Japan 2.5%
Canada 2.7%
US 3.4%

https://tradingeconomics.com/country-list/inflation-rate?continent=america

Not entirely "post truth" - inflation rates are continually changing. The US was in fact for a while the lowest of any G-7 nations.

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2023/sep/01/joe-biden/does-the-us-have-less-inflation-than-other-leading/

Last summer, Italy's inflation rate was 5.9%. France's was 4.3%. UK was 6.8%

They brought their inflation rates down despite "ThATs SoCIaLIsM!!!" and "renewable energy is a hoax" and all of the other post-truth right wing bunk that gets in the way of sound policy

Nonetheless, it's lower in parts of europe now. No liberal immediately challenged the claim. But as a dem myself, I will stop believing that our inflation is lower than in europe.

Same here. As a Dem I think it's perfectly fine to update your views based on more current information. But that said, there's also a huge difference between information that was correct a few months ago but is now outdated (as with comparative inflation data), versus things that were right from the start completely fabricated lies, like "the election was stolen" and most of the anti-vax BS. In the first, there was at least an element of truth. In the second, there never was any truth to it.

There are a lot of conservatives who attempt to crucify people if their position changes based on newer and more comprehensive or accurate information. A lot of conservatives seem to be fixated on whatever it was when they first heard it, and refuse to accept that times and circumstances can and do change. Along with refusing to accept that what they first heard may have been wrong all along.

Agreed. And it's is similar to what the far left does but instead of chronology, they use the oppression pyramid.

Not sure what you're trying to say here, the "oppression pyramid" has nothing to do with changing one's position. Also, are you saying that bias doesn't exist and is just a fabrication of the left?

Whatever they are smoking in your echo chamber, I'll pass. Seems to be having a bad impact on your reasoning and thinking skills.

Some topics really are just a matter of opinion. Like how far we should go to compensate for racial discrimination of the past, versus just removing racial barriers to allow historically oppressed groups to thrive on their own.

However, people on the (far) left act as if their opinions on the topic are facts. I think that's the other side of post-truth. Believing your opinions are facts.

LOL just stop. It is the right who insist their opinions on topics are facts.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Now are there anti-math democrats, because they don't believe that endless money creation devalues the dollar and causes inflation?

Does money really grow on trees?

Who in this thread posted anything about "endless money creation?" Nobody that I've seen. I guess the strategy is that when you don't actually have an argument, you fabricate a strawman of your own.

Democrats do not support endless money creation for the sake of endless money creation.

But they do support expansionary monetary policy as needed to keep up with other real-world expansionary factors such as growing GDP, population growth, increase in the numbers of businesses and industries, need for critical infrastructure, and so on.

If you had been paying attention, you would have seen that the Biden administration and Federal Reserve have been coordinating to try and drive pandemic-related inflation back down and as a result, our inflation rates are now lower than those of most other countries. Biden administration drove inflation down from 9.1% at the tail end of the pandemic to 3.4% as of the latest report, lower than most other countries and the lowest of any G7 nations. Meanwhile you may have forgotten that it was the Trump administration that pumped the economy full of inflation-driving "stimmy checks" which were phased out by Biden. You may have also forgotten that it was the Trump administration that threw money around with the fraud-riddled PPP loans, which were significantly reformed by Biden to rein in the rampant fraud.

So, not only is it a strawman, it's a fail in every other way. And don't even bother coming back at us with a lame retort like "man you didn't even understand the question and you're dim"

This assertion is post-truth. Not only does the US not have the lowest inflation of any G7 country, it has the highest inflation rate. It is 25% higher than the next highest and more than four times the rate in the G7 country with the lowest rate.

Italy 0.8%
France 2.2%
Germany 2.2%
UK 2.3%
Japan 2.5%
Canada 2.7%
US 3.4%

https://tradingeconomics.com/country-list/inflation-rate?continent=america

Not entirely "post truth" - inflation rates are continually changing. The US was in fact for a while the lowest of any G-7 nations.

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2023/sep/01/joe-biden/does-the-us-have-less-inflation-than-other-leading/

Last summer, Italy's inflation rate was 5.9%. France's was 4.3%. UK was 6.8%

They brought their inflation rates down despite "ThATs SoCIaLIsM!!!" and "renewable energy is a hoax" and all of the other post-truth right wing bunk that gets in the way of sound policy

Nonetheless, it's lower in parts of europe now. No liberal immediately challenged the claim. But as a dem myself, I will stop believing that our inflation is lower than in europe.

Same here. As a Dem I think it's perfectly fine to update your views based on more current information. But that said, there's also a huge difference between information that was correct a few months ago but is now outdated (as with comparative inflation data), versus things that were right from the start completely fabricated lies, like "the election was stolen" and most of the anti-vax BS. In the first, there was at least an element of truth. In the second, there never was any truth to it.

There are a lot of conservatives who attempt to crucify people if their position changes based on newer and more comprehensive or accurate information. A lot of conservatives seem to be fixated on whatever it was when they first heard it, and refuse to accept that times and circumstances can and do change. Along with refusing to accept that what they first heard may have been wrong all along.

Agreed. And it's is similar to what the far left does but instead of chronology, they use the oppression pyramid.

Not sure what you're trying to say here, the "oppression pyramid" has nothing to do with changing one's position. Also, are you saying that bias doesn't exist and is just a fabrication of the left?

Whatever they are smoking in your echo chamber, I'll pass. Seems to be having a bad impact on your reasoning and thinking skills.

Some topics really are just a matter of opinion. Like how far we should go to compensate for racial discrimination of the past, versus just removing racial barriers to allow historically oppressed groups to thrive on their own.

However, people on the (far) left act as if their opinions on the topic are facts. I think that's the other side of post-truth. Believing your opinions are facts.

Why are you even bringing this up? The far and it is indeed far far left, no need for your weird parentheses, who you like to tout as talking about "2+2=4 is colonialist" do not even represent 1% of Democrat viewpoints, contrary to whatever weird far right fear mongering propaganda you've steeped yourself in. I'd challenge you to find a credible poll that supports any of the extremist things you seem to think all Dems believe.

Whereas polling shows over 60% of Republicans indicated they believe the lie the election was stolen from Trump via massive fraud. Your side has a much larger contingent of people who believe things that are objectively, factually and provably false. There's no comparison between the two, whatsoever.

This. Post-truth conservatives outnumber the post-truth left about 60 to 1.

It’s so fun to make up statistics! Very post truth.

PP didn't make up those statistics. They are her lived experience.

Nope, it's not made-up statistics, it was self-reported by Republicans themselves. When upward of 60% of Republicans told several different independent seets of pollsters that they believe that Trump won and the election was stolen from them, that is THEIR REPUBLICAN post-truth world, which has absolutely nothing to do with liberal opinions of Republicans.

[Anonymous]

The fact that the PP above thinks the various polls all showing a majority of Republicans believe the "stop the steal" garbage is somehow a "liberal opinion" and "made-up statistics" is post-truth.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Now are there anti-math democrats, because they don't believe that endless money creation devalues the dollar and causes inflation?

Does money really grow on trees?

Who in this thread posted anything about "endless money creation?" Nobody that I've seen. I guess the strategy is that when you don't actually have an argument, you fabricate a strawman of your own.

Democrats do not support endless money creation for the sake of endless money creation.

But they do support expansionary monetary policy as needed to keep up with other real-world expansionary factors such as growing GDP, population growth, increase in the numbers of businesses and industries, need for critical infrastructure, and so on.

If you had been paying attention, you would have seen that the Biden administration and Federal Reserve have been coordinating to try and drive pandemic-related inflation back down and as a result, our inflation rates are now lower than those of most other countries. Biden administration drove inflation down from 9.1% at the tail end of the pandemic to 3.4% as of the latest report, lower than most other countries and the lowest of any G7 nations. Meanwhile you may have forgotten that it was the Trump administration that pumped the economy full of inflation-driving "stimmy checks" which were phased out by Biden. You may have also forgotten that it was the Trump administration that threw money around with the fraud-riddled PPP loans, which were significantly reformed by Biden to rein in the rampant fraud.

So, not only is it a strawman, it's a fail in every other way. And don't even bother coming back at us with a lame retort like "man you didn't even understand the question and you're dim"

This assertion is post-truth. Not only does the US not have the lowest inflation of any G7 country, it has the highest inflation rate. It is 25% higher than the next highest and more than four times the rate in the G7 country with the lowest rate.

Italy 0.8%
France 2.2%
Germany 2.2%
UK 2.3%
Japan 2.5%
Canada 2.7%
US 3.4%

https://tradingeconomics.com/country-list/inflation-rate?continent=america

Remember when you all were complaining about off-shoring American jobs? Or how middle America was screwed out of manufacturing? America is reshoring and there are tons of jobs, hence the low employment rate and that leads to inflation.

Do you want more people unemployed?!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Now are there anti-math democrats, because they don't believe that endless money creation devalues the dollar and causes inflation?

Does money really grow on trees?

Who in this thread posted anything about "endless money creation?" Nobody that I've seen. I guess the strategy is that when you don't actually have an argument, you fabricate a strawman of your own.

Democrats do not support endless money creation for the sake of endless money creation.

But they do support expansionary monetary policy as needed to keep up with other real-world expansionary factors such as growing GDP, population growth, increase in the numbers of businesses and industries, need for critical infrastructure, and so on.

If you had been paying attention, you would have seen that the Biden administration and Federal Reserve have been coordinating to try and drive pandemic-related inflation back down and as a result, our inflation rates are now lower than those of most other countries. Biden administration drove inflation down from 9.1% at the tail end of the pandemic to 3.4% as of the latest report, lower than most other countries and the lowest of any G7 nations. Meanwhile you may have forgotten that it was the Trump administration that pumped the economy full of inflation-driving "stimmy checks" which were phased out by Biden. You may have also forgotten that it was the Trump administration that threw money around with the fraud-riddled PPP loans, which were significantly reformed by Biden to rein in the rampant fraud.

So, not only is it a strawman, it's a fail in every other way. And don't even bother coming back at us with a lame retort like "man you didn't even understand the question and you're dim"

This assertion is post-truth. Not only does the US not have the lowest inflation of any G7 country, it has the highest inflation rate. It is 25% higher than the next highest and more than four times the rate in the G7 country with the lowest rate.

Italy 0.8%
France 2.2%
Germany 2.2%
UK 2.3%
Japan 2.5%
Canada 2.7%
US 3.4%

https://tradingeconomics.com/country-list/inflation-rate?continent=america

Not entirely "post truth" - inflation rates are continually changing. The US was in fact for a while the lowest of any G-7 nations.

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2023/sep/01/joe-biden/does-the-us-have-less-inflation-than-other-leading/

Last summer, Italy's inflation rate was 5.9%. France's was 4.3%. UK was 6.8%

They brought their inflation rates down despite "ThATs SoCIaLIsM!!!" and "renewable energy is a hoax" and all of the other post-truth right wing bunk that gets in the way of sound policy

Nonetheless, it's lower in parts of europe now. No liberal immediately challenged the claim. But as a dem myself, I will stop believing that our inflation is lower than in europe.

Same here. As a Dem I think it's perfectly fine to update your views based on more current information. But that said, there's also a huge difference between information that was correct a few months ago but is now outdated (as with comparative inflation data), versus things that were right from the start completely fabricated lies, like "the election was stolen" and most of the anti-vax BS. In the first, there was at least an element of truth. In the second, there never was any truth to it.

There are a lot of conservatives who attempt to crucify people if their position changes based on newer and more comprehensive or accurate information. A lot of conservatives seem to be fixated on whatever it was when they first heard it, and refuse to accept that times and circumstances can and do change. Along with refusing to accept that what they first heard may have been wrong all along.

Agreed. And it's is similar to what the far left does but instead of chronology, they use the oppression pyramid.

Not sure what you're trying to say here, the "oppression pyramid" has nothing to do with changing one's position. Also, are you saying that bias doesn't exist and is just a fabrication of the left?

Whatever they are smoking in your echo chamber, I'll pass. Seems to be having a bad impact on your reasoning and thinking skills.

Some topics really are just a matter of opinion. Like how far we should go to compensate for racial discrimination of the past, versus just removing racial barriers to allow historically oppressed groups to thrive on their own.

However, people on the (far) left act as if their opinions on the topic are facts. I think that's the other side of post-truth. Believing your opinions are facts.

Why are you even bringing this up? The far and it is indeed far far left, no need for your weird parentheses, who you like to tout as talking about "2+2=4 is colonialist" do not even represent 1% of Democrat viewpoints, contrary to whatever weird far right fear mongering propaganda you've steeped yourself in. I'd challenge you to find a credible poll that supports any of the extremist things you seem to think all Dems believe.

Whereas polling shows over 60% of Republicans indicated they believe the lie the election was stolen from Trump via massive fraud. Your side has a much larger contingent of people who believe things that are objectively, factually and provably false. There's no comparison between the two, whatsoever.

This. Post-truth conservatives outnumber the post-truth left about 60 to 1.

It’s so fun to make up statistics! Very post truth.

PP didn't make up those statistics. They are her lived experience.

Nope, it's not made-up statistics, it was self-reported by Republicans themselves. When upward of 60% of Republicans told several different independent seets of pollsters that they believe that Trump won and the election was stolen from them, that is THEIR REPUBLICAN post-truth world, which has absolutely nothing to do with liberal opinions of Republicans.

If you trace upthread you'll see that the accusation of made up statistics was a reply to the post claiming some 60 to 1 ratio.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Now are there anti-math democrats, because they don't believe that endless money creation devalues the dollar and causes inflation?

Does money really grow on trees?

Who in this thread posted anything about "endless money creation?" Nobody that I've seen. I guess the strategy is that when you don't actually have an argument, you fabricate a strawman of your own.

Democrats do not support endless money creation for the sake of endless money creation.

But they do support expansionary monetary policy as needed to keep up with other real-world expansionary factors such as growing GDP, population growth, increase in the numbers of businesses and industries, need for critical infrastructure, and so on.

If you had been paying attention, you would have seen that the Biden administration and Federal Reserve have been coordinating to try and drive pandemic-related inflation back down and as a result, our inflation rates are now lower than those of most other countries. Biden administration drove inflation down from 9.1% at the tail end of the pandemic to 3.4% as of the latest report, lower than most other countries and the lowest of any G7 nations. Meanwhile you may have forgotten that it was the Trump administration that pumped the economy full of inflation-driving "stimmy checks" which were phased out by Biden. You may have also forgotten that it was the Trump administration that threw money around with the fraud-riddled PPP loans, which were significantly reformed by Biden to rein in the rampant fraud.

So, not only is it a strawman, it's a fail in every other way. And don't even bother coming back at us with a lame retort like "man you didn't even understand the question and you're dim"

This assertion is post-truth. Not only does the US not have the lowest inflation of any G7 country, it has the highest inflation rate. It is 25% higher than the next highest and more than four times the rate in the G7 country with the lowest rate.

Italy 0.8%
France 2.2%
Germany 2.2%
UK 2.3%
Japan 2.5%
Canada 2.7%
US 3.4%

https://tradingeconomics.com/country-list/inflation-rate?continent=america

Not entirely "post truth" - inflation rates are continually changing. The US was in fact for a while the lowest of any G-7 nations.

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2023/sep/01/joe-biden/does-the-us-have-less-inflation-than-other-leading/

Last summer, Italy's inflation rate was 5.9%. France's was 4.3%. UK was 6.8%

They brought their inflation rates down despite "ThATs SoCIaLIsM!!!" and "renewable energy is a hoax" and all of the other post-truth right wing bunk that gets in the way of sound policy

Nonetheless, it's lower in parts of europe now. No liberal immediately challenged the claim. But as a dem myself, I will stop believing that our inflation is lower than in europe.

Same here. As a Dem I think it's perfectly fine to update your views based on more current information. But that said, there's also a huge difference between information that was correct a few months ago but is now outdated (as with comparative inflation data), versus things that were right from the start completely fabricated lies, like "the election was stolen" and most of the anti-vax BS. In the first, there was at least an element of truth. In the second, there never was any truth to it.

There are a lot of conservatives who attempt to crucify people if their position changes based on newer and more comprehensive or accurate information. A lot of conservatives seem to be fixated on whatever it was when they first heard it, and refuse to accept that times and circumstances can and do change. Along with refusing to accept that what they first heard may have been wrong all along.

Agreed. And it's is similar to what the far left does but instead of chronology, they use the oppression pyramid.

Not sure what you're trying to say here, the "oppression pyramid" has nothing to do with changing one's position. Also, are you saying that bias doesn't exist and is just a fabrication of the left?

Whatever they are smoking in your echo chamber, I'll pass. Seems to be having a bad impact on your reasoning and thinking skills.

Some topics really are just a matter of opinion. Like how far we should go to compensate for racial discrimination of the past, versus just removing racial barriers to allow historically oppressed groups to thrive on their own.

However, people on the (far) left act as if their opinions on the topic are facts. I think that's the other side of post-truth. Believing your opinions are facts.

Why are you even bringing this up? The far and it is indeed far far left, no need for your weird parentheses, who you like to tout as talking about "2+2=4 is colonialist" do not even represent 1% of Democrat viewpoints, contrary to whatever weird far right fear mongering propaganda you've steeped yourself in. I'd challenge you to find a credible poll that supports any of the extremist things you seem to think all Dems believe.

Whereas polling shows over 60% of Republicans indicated they believe the lie the election was stolen from Trump via massive fraud. Your side has a much larger contingent of people who believe things that are objectively, factually and provably false. There's no comparison between the two, whatsoever.

This. Post-truth conservatives outnumber the post-truth left about 60 to 1.

It’s so fun to make up statistics! Very post truth.

PP didn't make up those statistics. They are her lived experience.

Nope, it's not made-up statistics, it was self-reported by Republicans themselves. When upward of 60% of Republicans told several different independent seets of pollsters that they believe that Trump won and the election was stolen from them, that is THEIR REPUBLICAN post-truth world, which has absolutely nothing to do with liberal opinions of Republicans.

If you trace upthread you'll see that the accusation of made up statistics was a reply to the post claiming some 60 to 1 ratio.

Yeah, that estimate seems low.