Woman charged with felony for having a stillbirth

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Anonymous wrote:Don't we all keep a toilet colander and silk lined tiny coffin at hand when doctors refuse us treatment and we're too poor to travel for better health care access? More than one woman had a similar experience in this thread, how many countless white women will have this experience and be treated with compassion versus this poor woman becoming a prosecution scape goat?

You guys are amazing making up lies on this thread. She went to the hospital twice was told both times it was not viable and she did nothing about it.

You changing the story here to fit your agenda is priceless. Anyone with a brain see right though all these posts.

You PP are a real piece of work. "Don't we all keep a toilet colander and silk lined tiny coffin at hand when doctors refuse us" REALLY, REALLY MENTALLY SICK.

I think you meant to say the hospital did nothing about it. Why didn’t they give her a d&c? Did they even tell her what to do if the fetus came out into the toilet?

Have you ever stuck your hand into a toilet bowl to fish out what just passed out of your vagina?

Well, IF WE WAIT FOR ALL THR FACTS TO COME OUT we will certainly know the answer to this question.

I don’t feel like I need to know “ALL THR FACTS” about this poor woman’s stillbirth and wish law enforcement had just left her alone like the handcuffed doctors did.

Really? What if they offered to admit her to deliver the baby in the hospital and she refused? What if they told her what to expect, and exactly what to do if she delivered the baby at home, and she did something else? What if she completely ignored all medical advice?

I'm sorry if this is offensive, but for many people a dead late 2nd trimester fetus covered in blood and gestational sac plus placenta would not feel like a newborn baby. Especially if there had been something wrong developmentally with the fetus and it was deformed.

Please tell us at which week in a pregnancy you think a woman should be required to fish out the pregnancy-related contents of her womb that had passed into a toilet bowl. Even if there was poop and dissolved tp and other things in the bowl.

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Anonymous wrote:Oh and this is probably more what it looked like.

https://community.whattoexpect.com/forums/may-2020-babies/topic/i-think-i-just-had-a-miscarriage-in-the-toilet-84147841.html

That's a miscarriage at a few weeks not a stillborn baby at 22 weeks that weights a pound and is 11 inches and was large enough to clog the toilet. She used a plugger to get the baby down the pipe. Police we're called. That was in fact "abuse of a corpse" which is what she was charged with.

Plugging your dead baby down the toilet=abuse of a corpse for those of you who seem to be very confused by this.

you’re absolutely disgusting

You're disgusted by the facts? Yet not about the lady who did this? Who was able to do this. She literally did just that. That is what you should be outraged at but....you're not. Strange huh?

+100 The people are this thread at total nuts!!!

Listen I am 100% pro choice, but what she did was deplorable. But when you’re blinded by ideology you tend to ignore the facts and try and drum up support for your cause.

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Anonymous wrote:The report states the child’s corpse showed signs of injury.

It was a non-viable fetus.

A non viable fetus doesn’t show signs of injury.

of course it can. do you know what happens to a dead fetus in utero? it disintegrates.

Of course it does. And that is called fetal disintegration. A medical examiner will know what that is, and state that on the report. They will not call it injury. So you are 100% incorrect.

Which report? The one from dumba$$ cops or the one from the medical doctor?

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Anonymous wrote:Don't we all keep a toilet colander and silk lined tiny coffin at hand when doctors refuse us treatment and we're too poor to travel for better health care access? More than one woman had a similar experience in this thread, how many countless white women will have this experience and be treated with compassion versus this poor woman becoming a prosecution scape goat?

You guys are amazing making up lies on this thread. She went to the hospital twice was told both times it was not viable and she did nothing about it.

You changing the story here to fit your agenda is priceless. Anyone with a brain see right though all these posts.

You PP are a real piece of work. "Don't we all keep a toilet colander and silk lined tiny coffin at hand when doctors refuse us" REALLY, REALLY MENTALLY SICK.

I think you meant to say the hospital did nothing about it. Why didn’t they give her a d&c? Did they even tell her what to do if the fetus came out into the toilet?

Have you ever stuck your hand into a toilet bowl to fish out what just passed out of your vagina?

Well, IF WE WAIT FOR ALL THR FACTS TO COME OUT we will certainly know the answer to this question.

I don’t feel like I need to know “ALL THR FACTS” about this poor woman’s stillbirth and wish law enforcement had just left her alone like the handcuffed doctors did.

Really? What if they offered to admit her to deliver the baby in the hospital and she refused? What if they told her what to expect, and exactly what to do if she delivered the baby at home, and she did something else? What if she completely ignored all medical advice?

I'm sorry if this is offensive, but for many people a dead late 2nd trimester fetus covered in blood and gestational sac plus placenta would not feel like a newborn baby. Especially if there had been something wrong developmentally with the fetus and it was deformed.

Please tell us at which week in a pregnancy you think a woman should be required to fish out the pregnancy-related contents of her womb that had passed into a toilet bowl. Even if there was poop and dissolved tp and other things in the bowl.

If a woman goes to the hospital, they offer to admit her so she can deliver there, and she refuses, deciding to do it on her own, then she’s required to do that at any week of pregnancy.

This is obviously all conjecture. Until we find out what really happened we can make up scenarios all day long.

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Anonymous wrote:The report states the child’s corpse showed signs of injury.

It was a non-viable fetus.

A non viable fetus doesn’t show signs of injury.

of course it can. do you know what happens to a dead fetus in utero? it disintegrates.

Of course it does. And that is called fetal disintegration. A medical examiner will know what that is, and state that on the report. They will not call it injury. So you are 100% incorrect.

Which report? The one from dumba$$ cops or the one from the medical doctor?

The ME. Which is the only report that is relevant.

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Anonymous wrote:Why'd she leave it in the toilet?

So your daughter goes to the hospital, twice, and they tell her her fetus is dead. But they can't help because they'd be participating in (whatever crime) and send her home. So as many of us agree we would do, she sits on the toilet as she strains and labors and bleeds and makes a bloody mess. Plop, out comes the dead baby. (per google, Your baby, or foetus, is around 27.8cm long from head to toe. That's approximately the size of a sweet potato.)

So genius, what does your daughter do next? Hopefully she calls you in her moment of need. What do you tell her to do? Call 911? An undertaker? Fish it out? Keeping in mind that nowadays, this may be a crime scene. Can she interfere with a "crime scene"? Is it really safe for her to call public services for help? Should she fish it out and bury it in the backyard? Is that safe to do, what if someone sees? Fish it out and put it in the garbage? Please tell me, step by step, what the reasonable thing is to do.

I am so confused. Do you really not know the answer to these questions? Or this supposed to be some profound set of rhetorical questions? The answer is A) call 911. And yes, as long as she didn't take illegal and illicit drugs while pregnant, or something else to cause harm, which may show up when they autopsy the fetus, she would not be arrested. Despite your and others' assertions here, it is NOT and never will be illegal to have a stillbirth. What is and should be illegal is to harm a fetus in utero. But does your pro-abortion, my body my rights stance extend to doing whatever you want to your baby as long as it's in utero?

And by the way, nowhere, nowhere, does it say she was not given medical care. I was in early labor at 22 weeks as well, and sent home. You know what I didn't do when I went into real labor about 10 hours later? Deliver on a toilet and flush the baby. I went back to the hospital and delivered it there. It lived for about 45 minutes or so, then the hospital dealt with the remains. We have no clue what the real story is here.

You seem pretty self-righteous and quite frankly narcissistic. Your story is not this woman's story. You have no idea what she went through or what her mental state was. Or what the fetus looked like in a toilet bowl full of blood and pregnancy remnants. You were not there. Stop judging someone who went through a horror.

Neither do you. What you also don’t know is what exactly happened both times she went to the hospital. Did they give her options? Did they try to help her and she refused?

What I do know is that she should be given help, not prosecuted.

p.s. the fact that she went TWICE to the hospital TO GET THEIR HELP (that you think she then refused) shows she was trying to do something about her pregnancy symptoms, that is she was LOOKING FOR HELP. Do you really think they offered a d&c the first time and she said no and went home, only to go back a second time?

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Anonymous wrote:Don't we all keep a toilet colander and silk lined tiny coffin at hand when doctors refuse us treatment and we're too poor to travel for better health care access? More than one woman had a similar experience in this thread, how many countless white women will have this experience and be treated with compassion versus this poor woman becoming a prosecution scape goat?

You guys are amazing making up lies on this thread. She went to the hospital twice was told both times it was not viable and she did nothing about it.

You changing the story here to fit your agenda is priceless. Anyone with a brain see right though all these posts.

You PP are a real piece of work. "Don't we all keep a toilet colander and silk lined tiny coffin at hand when doctors refuse us" REALLY, REALLY MENTALLY SICK.

I think you meant to say the hospital did nothing about it. Why didn’t they give her a d&c? Did they even tell her what to do if the fetus came out into the toilet?

Have you ever stuck your hand into a toilet bowl to fish out what just passed out of your vagina?

Well, IF WE WAIT FOR ALL THR FACTS TO COME OUT we will certainly know the answer to this question.

I don’t feel like I need to know “ALL THR FACTS” about this poor woman’s stillbirth and wish law enforcement had just left her alone like the handcuffed doctors did.

Really? What if they offered to admit her to deliver the baby in the hospital and she refused? What if they told her what to expect, and exactly what to do if she delivered the baby at home, and she did something else? What if she completely ignored all medical advice?

I'm sorry if this is offensive, but for many people a dead late 2nd trimester fetus covered in blood and gestational sac plus placenta would not feel like a newborn baby. Especially if there had been something wrong developmentally with the fetus and it was deformed.

Please tell us at which week in a pregnancy you think a woman should be required to fish out the pregnancy-related contents of her womb that had passed into a toilet bowl. Even if there was poop and dissolved tp and other things in the bowl.

If a woman goes to the hospital, they offer to admit her so she can deliver there, and she refuses, deciding to do it on her own, then she’s required to do that at any week of pregnancy.

This is obviously all conjecture. Until we find out what really happened we can make up scenarios all day long.

Why would she go to a hospital twice seeking help, only to leave if they actually offered it to her?

Sure, find out what happened. That doesn't mean prosecute her before you've found out.

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I am also 100% pro choice, and I find this story gross, but 1) there is no law in Ohio that dictates how a dead fetus must be disposed of. No funeral rules. 2) I am a rich white lady in a blue state. Yes I'd probably call 911 and trust that I'd be treated reasonably. But if I were black and in a red state? IF (and I know this is debated) I had asked for help twice and been refused, would I have the trust to call 911? Do I have the money to pay the ambulance fee, nevermind whatever else? I have insurance and the fee now is $300.

If the baby was already dead, yes I find what she did gross and horrible but not criminal.

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Anonymous wrote:Why'd she leave it in the toilet?

So your daughter goes to the hospital, twice, and they tell her her fetus is dead. But they can't help because they'd be participating in (whatever crime) and send her home. So as many of us agree we would do, she sits on the toilet as she strains and labors and bleeds and makes a bloody mess. Plop, out comes the dead baby. (per google, Your baby, or foetus, is around 27.8cm long from head to toe. That's approximately the size of a sweet potato.)

So genius, what does your daughter do next? Hopefully she calls you in her moment of need. What do you tell her to do? Call 911? An undertaker? Fish it out? Keeping in mind that nowadays, this may be a crime scene. Can she interfere with a "crime scene"? Is it really safe for her to call public services for help? Should she fish it out and bury it in the backyard? Is that safe to do, what if someone sees? Fish it out and put it in the garbage? Please tell me, step by step, what the reasonable thing is to do.

I am so confused. Do you really not know the answer to these questions? Or this supposed to be some profound set of rhetorical questions? The answer is A) call 911. And yes, as long as she didn't take illegal and illicit drugs while pregnant, or something else to cause harm, which may show up when they autopsy the fetus, she would not be arrested. Despite your and others' assertions here, it is NOT and never will be illegal to have a stillbirth. What is and should be illegal is to harm a fetus in utero. But does your pro-abortion, my body my rights stance extend to doing whatever you want to your baby as long as it's in utero?

And by the way, nowhere, nowhere, does it say she was not given medical care. I was in early labor at 22 weeks as well, and sent home. You know what I didn't do when I went into real labor about 10 hours later? Deliver on a toilet and flush the baby. I went back to the hospital and delivered it there. It lived for about 45 minutes or so, then the hospital dealt with the remains. We have no clue what the real story is here.

You seem pretty self-righteous and quite frankly narcissistic. Your story is not this woman's story. You have no idea what she went through or what her mental state was. Or what the fetus looked like in a toilet bowl full of blood and pregnancy remnants. You were not there. Stop judging someone who went through a horror.

Neither do you. What you also don’t know is what exactly happened both times she went to the hospital. Did they give her options? Did they try to help her and she refused?

What I do know is that she should be given help, not prosecuted.

p.s. the fact that she went TWICE to the hospital TO GET THEIR HELP (that you think she then refused) shows she was trying to do something about her pregnancy symptoms, that is she was LOOKING FOR HELP. Do you really think they offered a d&c the first time and she said no and went home, only to go back a second time?

Doesn’t matter what I think. Doesn’t matter what you think either. That’s the whole point. We can discuss it in depth once the facts come out.

But for whatever reason some of you refuse to wait for that. Your judge jury and executioner. Not surprising.

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Anonymous wrote:Don't we all keep a toilet colander and silk lined tiny coffin at hand when doctors refuse us treatment and we're too poor to travel for better health care access? More than one woman had a similar experience in this thread, how many countless white women will have this experience and be treated with compassion versus this poor woman becoming a prosecution scape goat?

You guys are amazing making up lies on this thread. She went to the hospital twice was told both times it was not viable and she did nothing about it.

You changing the story here to fit your agenda is priceless. Anyone with a brain see right though all these posts.

You PP are a real piece of work. "Don't we all keep a toilet colander and silk lined tiny coffin at hand when doctors refuse us" REALLY, REALLY MENTALLY SICK.

I think you meant to say the hospital did nothing about it. Why didn’t they give her a d&c? Did they even tell her what to do if the fetus came out into the toilet?

Have you ever stuck your hand into a toilet bowl to fish out what just passed out of your vagina?

Well, IF WE WAIT FOR ALL THR FACTS TO COME OUT we will certainly know the answer to this question.

I don’t feel like I need to know “ALL THR FACTS” about this poor woman’s stillbirth and wish law enforcement had just left her alone like the handcuffed doctors did.

Really? What if they offered to admit her to deliver the baby in the hospital and she refused? What if they told her what to expect, and exactly what to do if she delivered the baby at home, and she did something else? What if she completely ignored all medical advice?

I'm sorry if this is offensive, but for many people a dead late 2nd trimester fetus covered in blood and gestational sac plus placenta would not feel like a newborn baby. Especially if there had been something wrong developmentally with the fetus and it was deformed.

Please tell us at which week in a pregnancy you think a woman should be required to fish out the pregnancy-related contents of her womb that had passed into a toilet bowl. Even if there was poop and dissolved tp and other things in the bowl.

If a woman goes to the hospital, they offer to admit her so she can deliver there, and she refuses, deciding to do it on her own, then she’s required to do that at any week of pregnancy.

This is obviously all conjecture. Until we find out what really happened we can make up scenarios all day long.

That apparently is not the law. Ohio does not have a fetal remains disposal law per the article.

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Anonymous wrote:Don't we all keep a toilet colander and silk lined tiny coffin at hand when doctors refuse us treatment and we're too poor to travel for better health care access? More than one woman had a similar experience in this thread, how many countless white women will have this experience and be treated with compassion versus this poor woman becoming a prosecution scape goat?

You guys are amazing making up lies on this thread. She went to the hospital twice was told both times it was not viable and she did nothing about it.

You changing the story here to fit your agenda is priceless. Anyone with a brain see right though all these posts.

You PP are a real piece of work. "Don't we all keep a toilet colander and silk lined tiny coffin at hand when doctors refuse us" REALLY, REALLY MENTALLY SICK.

I think you meant to say the hospital did nothing about it. Why didn’t they give her a d&c? Did they even tell her what to do if the fetus came out into the toilet?

Have you ever stuck your hand into a toilet bowl to fish out what just passed out of your vagina?

Well, IF WE WAIT FOR ALL THR FACTS TO COME OUT we will certainly know the answer to this question.

I don’t feel like I need to know “ALL THR FACTS” about this poor woman’s stillbirth and wish law enforcement had just left her alone like the handcuffed doctors did.

Really? What if they offered to admit her to deliver the baby in the hospital and she refused? What if they told her what to expect, and exactly what to do if she delivered the baby at home, and she did something else? What if she completely ignored all medical advice?

I'm sorry if this is offensive, but for many people a dead late 2nd trimester fetus covered in blood and gestational sac plus placenta would not feel like a newborn baby. Especially if there had been something wrong developmentally with the fetus and it was deformed.

Please tell us at which week in a pregnancy you think a woman should be required to fish out the pregnancy-related contents of her womb that had passed into a toilet bowl. Even if there was poop and dissolved tp and other things in the bowl.

If a woman goes to the hospital, they offer to admit her so she can deliver there, and she refuses, deciding to do it on her own, then she’s required to do that at any week of pregnancy.

This is obviously all conjecture. Until we find out what really happened we can make up scenarios all day long.

Why would she go to a hospital twice seeking help, only to leave if they actually offered it to her?

Sure, find out what happened. That doesn't mean prosecute her before or you've found out.

That’s a question only she can answer.

But don’t let that stop you from drawing all sorts of conclusions about this story.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why'd she leave it in the toilet?

So your daughter goes to the hospital, twice, and they tell her her fetus is dead. But they can't help because they'd be participating in (whatever crime) and send her home. So as many of us agree we would do, she sits on the toilet as she strains and labors and bleeds and makes a bloody mess. Plop, out comes the dead baby. (per google, Your baby, or foetus, is around 27.8cm long from head to toe. That's approximately the size of a sweet potato.)

So genius, what does your daughter do next? Hopefully she calls you in her moment of need. What do you tell her to do? Call 911? An undertaker? Fish it out? Keeping in mind that nowadays, this may be a crime scene. Can she interfere with a "crime scene"? Is it really safe for her to call public services for help? Should she fish it out and bury it in the backyard? Is that safe to do, what if someone sees? Fish it out and put it in the garbage? Please tell me, step by step, what the reasonable thing is to do.

I am so confused. Do you really not know the answer to these questions? Or this supposed to be some profound set of rhetorical questions? The answer is A) call 911. And yes, as long as she didn't take illegal and illicit drugs while pregnant, or something else to cause harm, which may show up when they autopsy the fetus, she would not be arrested. Despite your and others' assertions here, it is NOT and never will be illegal to have a stillbirth. What is and should be illegal is to harm a fetus in utero. But does your pro-abortion, my body my rights stance extend to doing whatever you want to your baby as long as it's in utero?

And by the way, nowhere, nowhere, does it say she was not given medical care. I was in early labor at 22 weeks as well, and sent home. You know what I didn't do when I went into real labor about 10 hours later? Deliver on a toilet and flush the baby. I went back to the hospital and delivered it there. It lived for about 45 minutes or so, then the hospital dealt with the remains. We have no clue what the real story is here.

You seem pretty self-righteous and quite frankly narcissistic. Your story is not this woman's story. You have no idea what she went through or what her mental state was. Or what the fetus looked like in a toilet bowl full of blood and pregnancy remnants. You were not there. Stop judging someone who went through a horror.

Neither do you. What you also don’t know is what exactly happened both times she went to the hospital. Did they give her options? Did they try to help her and she refused?

What I do know is that she should be given help, not prosecuted.

p.s. the fact that she went TWICE to the hospital TO GET THEIR HELP (that you think she then refused) shows she was trying to do something about her pregnancy symptoms, that is she was LOOKING FOR HELP. Do you really think they offered a d&c the first time and she said no and went home, only to go back a second time?

Doesn’t matter what I think. Doesn’t matter what you think either. That’s the whole point. We can discuss it in depth once the facts come out.

But for whatever reason some of you refuse to wait for that. Your judge jury and executioner. Not surprising.

I'm not judging her whatsoever. You are the one who is judging her, as is Ohio, which is prosecuting her for a felony. That is disgusting.

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Anonymous wrote:Don't we all keep a toilet colander and silk lined tiny coffin at hand when doctors refuse us treatment and we're too poor to travel for better health care access? More than one woman had a similar experience in this thread, how many countless white women will have this experience and be treated with compassion versus this poor woman becoming a prosecution scape goat?

You guys are amazing making up lies on this thread. She went to the hospital twice was told both times it was not viable and she did nothing about it.

You changing the story here to fit your agenda is priceless. Anyone with a brain see right though all these posts.

You PP are a real piece of work. "Don't we all keep a toilet colander and silk lined tiny coffin at hand when doctors refuse us" REALLY, REALLY MENTALLY SICK.

So basically you do think women need to fish out their miscarriages from the toilet?

This is a still birth. Don't forget it. She should have called for help. Duh. Stop acting like you don't know the difference between a miscarriage and a stillbirth.

She did and was sent home.

Show me where it says she was sent home.

J/k. You can’t. BECAUSE IT DOESN’T SAY THAT

Was the toilet in the hospital? Because if it wasn’t, she was sent home.

Holy fu@kballs you are a moron. There are other possibilities. They could have offered to admit her and SHE refused. But that conveniently doesn’t fit in with your agenda.
So go ahead and keep assuming you know exactly what happened at the hospital.

even if she refused to be admitted she should not go to jail.

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Anonymous wrote:Why'd she leave it in the toilet?

So your daughter goes to the hospital, twice, and they tell her her fetus is dead. But they can't help because they'd be participating in (whatever crime) and send her home. So as many of us agree we would do, she sits on the toilet as she strains and labors and bleeds and makes a bloody mess. Plop, out comes the dead baby. (per google, Your baby, or foetus, is around 27.8cm long from head to toe. That's approximately the size of a sweet potato.)

So genius, what does your daughter do next? Hopefully she calls you in her moment of need. What do you tell her to do? Call 911? An undertaker? Fish it out? Keeping in mind that nowadays, this may be a crime scene. Can she interfere with a "crime scene"? Is it really safe for her to call public services for help? Should she fish it out and bury it in the backyard? Is that safe to do, what if someone sees? Fish it out and put it in the garbage? Please tell me, step by step, what the reasonable thing is to do.

I am so confused. Do you really not know the answer to these questions? Or this supposed to be some profound set of rhetorical questions? The answer is A) call 911. And yes, as long as she didn't take illegal and illicit drugs while pregnant, or something else to cause harm, which may show up when they autopsy the fetus, she would not be arrested. Despite your and others' assertions here, it is NOT and never will be illegal to have a stillbirth. What is and should be illegal is to harm a fetus in utero. But does your pro-abortion, my body my rights stance extend to doing whatever you want to your baby as long as it's in utero?

And by the way, nowhere, nowhere, does it say she was not given medical care. I was in early labor at 22 weeks as well, and sent home. You know what I didn't do when I went into real labor about 10 hours later? Deliver on a toilet and flush the baby. I went back to the hospital and delivered it there. It lived for about 45 minutes or so, then the hospital dealt with the remains. We have no clue what the real story is here.

You seem pretty self-righteous and quite frankly narcissistic. Your story is not this woman's story. You have no idea what she went through or what her mental state was. Or what the fetus looked like in a toilet bowl full of blood and pregnancy remnants. You were not there. Stop judging someone who went through a horror.

Neither do you. What you also don’t know is what exactly happened both times she went to the hospital. Did they give her options? Did they try to help her and she refused?

What I do know is that she should be given help, not prosecuted.

p.s. the fact that she went TWICE to the hospital TO GET THEIR HELP (that you think she then refused) shows she was trying to do something about her pregnancy symptoms, that is she was LOOKING FOR HELP. Do you really think they offered a d&c the first time and she said no and went home, only to go back a second time?

Doesn’t matter what I think. Doesn’t matter what you think either. That’s the whole point. We can discuss it in depth once the facts come out.

But for whatever reason some of you refuse to wait for that. Your judge jury and executioner. Not surprising.

I'm not judging her whatsoever. You are the one who is judging her, as is Ohio, which is prosecuting her for a felony. That is disgusting.

I’m not judging anyone - not sure where you’re getting that from.
I’m just sitting here waiting for the facts. Like any reasonable person would.

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Anonymous wrote:Don't we all keep a toilet colander and silk lined tiny coffin at hand when doctors refuse us treatment and we're too poor to travel for better health care access? More than one woman had a similar experience in this thread, how many countless white women will have this experience and be treated with compassion versus this poor woman becoming a prosecution scape goat?

You guys are amazing making up lies on this thread. She went to the hospital twice was told both times it was not viable and she did nothing about it.

You changing the story here to fit your agenda is priceless. Anyone with a brain see right though all these posts.

You PP are a real piece of work. "Don't we all keep a toilet colander and silk lined tiny coffin at hand when doctors refuse us" REALLY, REALLY MENTALLY SICK.

I think you meant to say the hospital did nothing about it. Why didn’t they give her a d&c? Did they even tell her what to do if the fetus came out into the toilet?

Have you ever stuck your hand into a toilet bowl to fish out what just passed out of your vagina?

Well, IF WE WAIT FOR ALL THR FACTS TO COME OUT we will certainly know the answer to this question.

I don’t feel like I need to know “ALL THR FACTS” about this poor woman’s stillbirth and wish law enforcement had just left her alone like the handcuffed doctors did.

Really? What if they offered to admit her to deliver the baby in the hospital and she refused? What if they told her what to expect, and exactly what to do if she delivered the baby at home, and she did something else? What if she completely ignored all medical advice?

I'm sorry if this is offensive, but for many people a dead late 2nd trimester fetus covered in blood and gestational sac plus placenta would not feel like a newborn baby. Especially if there had been something wrong developmentally with the fetus and it was deformed.

Please tell us at which week in a pregnancy you think a woman should be required to fish out the pregnancy-related contents of her womb that had passed into a toilet bowl. Even if there was poop and dissolved tp and other things in the bowl.

If a woman goes to the hospital, they offer to admit her so she can deliver there, and she refuses, deciding to do it on her own, then she’s required to do that at any week of pregnancy.

This is obviously all conjecture. Until we find out what really happened we can make up scenarios all day long.

Why would she go to a hospital twice seeking help, only to leave if they actually offered it to her?

Sure, find out what happened. That doesn't mean prosecute her before or you've found out.

That’s a question only she can answer.

But don’t let that stop you from drawing all sorts of conclusions about this story.

You stop drawing conclusions. And stop supporting state harassment of a mother who suffered a pregnancy loss alone in her house.