Rigor at TJ compared to regular FCPS high Schools

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Anonymous wrote:TJ is insane. Honors classes are taught like AP classes. AP classes are like college and post AP like grad school.

Is anything not difficult at TJ, other than taking a selfie standing outside!

Inside of the school is like a homework hurricane, with quizzes and tests that get graded with a sternness usually reserved for judging chili cook-offs!

And as if that weren't enough, Honors classes are served up with an extra helping of "AP-ness," AP classes are like a fast-track to college, and post-AP courses? Well, they're basically a PhD in academic endurance!

This is laughable. It's pretty much like any FCPS school. It would be best if you people got over it already.

Absolutely not. You have no idea how difficult the courses are and the rigor TJ has. Unlike regular Hig Schools were attending a class and covering the material taught ensures an A, in TJ only 25% of what is taught actually is part of the test/quiz. The kids are expected to research and go into too much depth. Most of the teachers expect self study/reasearch and openly say the rigor is comparable to college courses.

LOLs you can take most of the same classes at any HS. TJ isn't really anything special.

Graduating TJ in the top 1/2 is like getting a STEM degree from a relatively weak STEM place like UVA.

Perhaps but not like many TJ grads can even get into UVA these days.

Only if you graduate in the bottom 10%.

In all fairness not many TJ grads even qualify even those in the top half. It's pretty sad really.

UVA's e-school even has an average SAT over 1550 which is well above TJ's median score. It just goes to show how far standards at TJ have fallen.

Yes, the caliber of the average TJ student is a cut below that of UVA students. I know it's a bitter pill for some parents to swallow but the facts are hard to deny.

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Anonymous wrote:TJ is insane. Honors classes are taught like AP classes. AP classes are like college and post AP like grad school.

Is anything not difficult at TJ, other than taking a selfie standing outside!

Inside of the school is like a homework hurricane, with quizzes and tests that get graded with a sternness usually reserved for judging chili cook-offs!

And as if that weren't enough, Honors classes are served up with an extra helping of "AP-ness," AP classes are like a fast-track to college, and post-AP courses? Well, they're basically a PhD in academic endurance!

This is laughable. It's pretty much like any FCPS school. It would be best if you people got over it already.

Absolutely not. You have no idea how difficult the courses are and the rigor TJ has. Unlike regular Hig Schools were attending a class and covering the material taught ensures an A, in TJ only 25% of what is taught actually is part of the test/quiz. The kids are expected to research and go into too much depth. Most of the teachers expect self study/reasearch and openly say the rigor is comparable to college courses.

LOLs you can take most of the same classes at any HS. TJ isn't really anything special.

Graduating TJ in the top 1/2 is like getting a STEM degree from a relatively weak STEM place like UVA.

Perhaps but not like many TJ grads can even get into UVA these days.

Only if you graduate in the bottom 10%.

In all fairness not many TJ grads even qualify even those in the top half. It's pretty sad really.

UVA's e-school even has an average SAT over 1550 which is well above TJ's median score. It just goes to show how far standards at TJ have fallen.

Nope, the SAT is a very low ceiling test. Anything from high 1400s to 1600 does not meaningfully differentiate anything about a student. This is the reason why many top schools don't care about the SAT for high end scores, they only care if the student scores low because that suggests something might be wrong.

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Anonymous wrote:TJ is insane. Honors classes are taught like AP classes. AP classes are like college and post AP like grad school.

Is anything not difficult at TJ, other than taking a selfie standing outside!

Inside of the school is like a homework hurricane, with quizzes and tests that get graded with a sternness usually reserved for judging chili cook-offs!

And as if that weren't enough, Honors classes are served up with an extra helping of "AP-ness," AP classes are like a fast-track to college, and post-AP courses? Well, they're basically a PhD in academic endurance!

This is laughable. It's pretty much like any FCPS school. It would be best if you people got over it already.

Absolutely not. You have no idea how difficult the courses are and the rigor TJ has. Unlike regular Hig Schools were attending a class and covering the material taught ensures an A, in TJ only 25% of what is taught actually is part of the test/quiz. The kids are expected to research and go into too much depth. Most of the teachers expect self study/reasearch and openly say the rigor is comparable to college courses.

LOLs you can take most of the same classes at any HS. TJ isn't really anything special.

Graduating TJ in the top 1/2 is like getting a STEM degree from a relatively weak STEM place like UVA.

Perhaps but not like many TJ grads can even get into UVA these days.

Only if you graduate in the bottom 10%.

In all fairness not many TJ grads even qualify even those in the top half. It's pretty sad really.

UVA's e-school even has an average SAT over 1550 which is well above TJ's median score. It just goes to show how far standards at TJ have fallen.

Nope, the SAT is a very low ceiling test. Anything from high 1400s to 1600 does not meaningfully differentiate anything about a student. This is the reason why many top schools don't care about the SAT for high end scores, they only care if the student scores low because that suggests something might be wrong.

Wrong e-school SAT average is around 125 points above the UVA average and well above TJ's.

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Anonymous wrote:Bottom 10% at TJ will be top 10% at Langley and McLean etc.

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Anonymous wrote:Bottom 10% at TJ will be top 10% at Langley and McLean etc.

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The top 10% at Langley and McLean currently are much stronger than the bottom 10% at TJ so you seem to be predicting improvements at TJ. Let’s see in a few years when there are more results.

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Anonymous wrote:Bottom 10% at TJ will be top 10% at Langley and McLean etc.

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The top 10% at Langley and McLean currently are much stronger than the bottom 10% at TJ so you seem to be predicting improvements at TJ. Let’s see in a few years when there are more results.

The top 10% at Langley, McLean, Oakton, Woodson, Chantilly, Fairfax, Braddock will fit within the top 25% at TJ.

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Anonymous wrote:Bottom 10% at TJ will be top 10% at Langley and McLean etc.

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The top 10% at Langley and McLean currently are much stronger than the bottom 10% at TJ so you seem to be predicting improvements at TJ. Let’s see in a few years when there are more results.

The top 10% at Langley, McLean, Oakton, Woodson, Chantilly, Fairfax, Braddock will fit within the top 25% at TJ.

No way! TJ is off the charts! Well maybe not but I like to say it anyway.

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Anonymous wrote:Bottom 10% at TJ will be top 10% at Langley and McLean etc.

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The top 10% at Langley and McLean currently are much stronger than the bottom 10% at TJ so you seem to be predicting improvements at TJ. Let’s see in a few years when there are more results.

The top 10% at Langley, McLean, Oakton, Woodson, Chantilly, Fairfax, Braddock will fit within the top 25% at TJ.

We can look at SAT distributions to really get a sense of how much further ahead TJ kids are versus other schools. In 2022 the SAT average score at TJ was 1533 versus 1302 at Langley. The standard deviation was 198 in Virginia. That means the TJ average was well over a full standard deviation above Langley. Woodson and LB aren't even in the conversation at 1217.

The top 16% of kids (one standard deviation above the mean) at Langley could be assumed to have starting scores of 1302(mean) + 198 (SD) = 1500 which is still within the bottom 50% at TJ.

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Anonymous wrote:Bottom 10% at TJ will be top 10% at Langley and McLean etc.

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The top 10% at Langley and McLean currently are much stronger than the bottom 10% at TJ so you seem to be predicting improvements at TJ. Let’s see in a few years when there are more results.

The top 10% at Langley, McLean, Oakton, Woodson, Chantilly, Fairfax, Braddock will fit within the top 25% at TJ.

We can look at SAT distributions to really get a sense of how much further ahead TJ kids are versus other schools. In 2022 the SAT average score at TJ was 1533 versus 1302 at Langley. The standard deviation was 198 in Virginia. That means the TJ average was well over a full standard deviation above Langley. Woodson and LB aren't even in the conversation at 1217.

The top 16% of kids (one standard deviation above the mean) at Langley could be assumed to have starting scores of 1302(mean) + 198 (SD) = 1500 which is still within the bottom 50% at TJ.

I don't think that's especially meaningful since TJ has a selection process and Langely does not. Try comparing the upper quartile ,

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Bottom 10% at TJ will be top 10% at Langley and McLean etc.

+1

The top 10% at Langley and McLean currently are much stronger than the bottom 10% at TJ so you seem to be predicting improvements at TJ. Let’s see in a few years when there are more results.

The top 10% at Langley, McLean, Oakton, Woodson, Chantilly, Fairfax, Braddock will fit within the top 25% at TJ.

We can look at SAT distributions to really get a sense of how much further ahead TJ kids are versus other schools. In 2022 the SAT average score at TJ was 1533 versus 1302 at Langley. The standard deviation was 198 in Virginia. That means the TJ average was well over a full standard deviation above Langley. Woodson and LB aren't even in the conversation at 1217.

The top 16% of kids (one standard deviation above the mean) at Langley could be assumed to have starting scores of 1302(mean) + 198 (SD) = 1500 which is still within the bottom 50% at TJ.

The average SAT score at TJ is 1533 and someone up thread said that the UVA e school SAT was 150 points higher? Seems unlikely.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Bottom 10% at TJ will be top 10% at Langley and McLean etc.

+1

The top 10% at Langley and McLean currently are much stronger than the bottom 10% at TJ so you seem to be predicting improvements at TJ. Let’s see in a few years when there are more results.

The top 10% at Langley, McLean, Oakton, Woodson, Chantilly, Fairfax, Braddock will fit within the top 25% at TJ.

We can look at SAT distributions to really get a sense of how much further ahead TJ kids are versus other schools. In 2022 the SAT average score at TJ was 1533 versus 1302 at Langley. The standard deviation was 198 in Virginia. That means the TJ average was well over a full standard deviation above Langley. Woodson and LB aren't even in the conversation at 1217.

The top 16% of kids (one standard deviation above the mean) at Langley could be assumed to have starting scores of 1302(mean) + 198 (SD) = 1500 which is still within the bottom 50% at TJ.

The average SAT score at TJ is 1533 and someone up thread said that the UVA e school SAT was 150 points higher? Seems unlikely.

UVA's average SAT is about 1320.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Bottom 10% at TJ will be top 10% at Langley and McLean etc.

+1

The top 10% at Langley and McLean currently are much stronger than the bottom 10% at TJ so you seem to be predicting improvements at TJ. Let’s see in a few years when there are more results.

The top 10% at Langley, McLean, Oakton, Woodson, Chantilly, Fairfax, Braddock will fit within the top 25% at TJ.

We can look at SAT distributions to really get a sense of how much further ahead TJ kids are versus other schools. In 2022 the SAT average score at TJ was 1533 versus 1302 at Langley. The standard deviation was 198 in Virginia. That means the TJ average was well over a full standard deviation above Langley. Woodson and LB aren't even in the conversation at 1217.

The top 16% of kids (one standard deviation above the mean) at Langley could be assumed to have starting scores of 1302(mean) + 198 (SD) = 1500 which is still within the bottom 50% at TJ.

Yes it makes sense for the average at TJ to be close to the top at Langley..no surprise there. But your 1500 vs 1533 analysis is not particularly meaningful. You can't compare much of anything among 1500+ candidates. If you want to meaningfully compare, you need a much higher ceiling test.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Bottom 10% at TJ will be top 10% at Langley and McLean etc.

+1

The top 10% at Langley and McLean currently are much stronger than the bottom 10% at TJ so you seem to be predicting improvements at TJ. Let’s see in a few years when there are more results.

The top 10% at Langley, McLean, Oakton, Woodson, Chantilly, Fairfax, Braddock will fit within the top 25% at TJ.

We can look at SAT distributions to really get a sense of how much further ahead TJ kids are versus other schools. In 2022 the SAT average score at TJ was 1533 versus 1302 at Langley. The standard deviation was 198 in Virginia. That means the TJ average was well over a full standard deviation above Langley. Woodson and LB aren't even in the conversation at 1217.

The top 16% of kids (one standard deviation above the mean) at Langley could be assumed to have starting scores of 1302(mean) + 198 (SD) = 1500 which is still within the bottom 50% at TJ.

The average SAT score at TJ is 1533 and someone up thread said that the UVA e school SAT was 150 points higher? Seems unlikely.

UVA's average SAT is about 1320.

That is why UVA is a safety for all at TJ except for the bottom 30%.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Bottom 10% at TJ will be top 10% at Langley and McLean etc.

+1

The top 10% at Langley and McLean currently are much stronger than the bottom 10% at TJ so you seem to be predicting improvements at TJ. Let’s see in a few years when there are more results.

The top 10% at Langley, McLean, Oakton, Woodson, Chantilly, Fairfax, Braddock will fit within the top 25% at TJ.

We can look at SAT distributions to really get a sense of how much further ahead TJ kids are versus other schools. In 2022 the SAT average score at TJ was 1533 versus 1302 at Langley. The standard deviation was 198 in Virginia. That means the TJ average was well over a full standard deviation above Langley. Woodson and LB aren't even in the conversation at 1217.

The top 16% of kids (one standard deviation above the mean) at Langley could be assumed to have starting scores of 1302(mean) + 198 (SD) = 1500 which is still within the bottom 50% at TJ.

The average SAT score at TJ is 1533 and someone up thread said that the UVA e school SAT was 150 points higher? Seems unlikely.

UVA's average SAT is about 1320.

Maybe back in 1980 but engineering school admits today need to be over 1550 to get a shot.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Bottom 10% at TJ will be top 10% at Langley and McLean etc.

+1

The top 10% at Langley and McLean currently are much stronger than the bottom 10% at TJ so you seem to be predicting improvements at TJ. Let’s see in a few years when there are more results.

The top 10% at Langley, McLean, Oakton, Woodson, Chantilly, Fairfax, Braddock will fit within the top 25% at TJ.

We can look at SAT distributions to really get a sense of how much further ahead TJ kids are versus other schools. In 2022 the SAT average score at TJ was 1533 versus 1302 at Langley. The standard deviation was 198 in Virginia. That means the TJ average was well over a full standard deviation above Langley. Woodson and LB aren't even in the conversation at 1217.

The top 16% of kids (one standard deviation above the mean) at Langley could be assumed to have starting scores of 1302(mean) + 198 (SD) = 1500 which is still within the bottom 50% at TJ.

The average SAT score at TJ is 1533 and someone up thread said that the UVA e school SAT was 150 points higher? Seems unlikely.

UVA's average SAT is about 1320.

Maybe back in 1980 but engineering school admits today need to be over 1550 to get a shot.

Yes, they're attempting to mislead people with false information. The middle 50% for the class of 2022 was just shy of 1500. https://admission.virginia.edu/admission/statistics

Also as the PP noted it's much higher for competitive majors like CS or Engineering.