College Football--Big Ten Expansion

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm from the Midwest and really hate these Big Ten expansions. Having Rutgers and UCLA in the Big Ten is stupid.

ME TOO

[Anonymous]

"People keep conflating athletic departments with football programs. These schools with good football programs allow good paydays to fund all of the programs that operate at a loss. While the athletic programs might run at a deficit, without the cash generated from football it would be worse. All of the schools with profitable athletic departments generally have rabid football or basketball fan bases.

The other question to ask is why athletic departments should need to make a profit? There are real benefits that accrue to a school with successful football and basketball programs, such as alumni donations, national advertising, and making the school more appealing to prospective students."

While I generally agree with your comment, I don't agree with your statement of "why athletic departments should need to make a profit".

The profit from the big sports at Texas (football, basketball and even baseball) allows universities to pay for other sports that don't make a profit snd provide much needed Title 9 money to women's athletics. My Niece (and her team) just won the National Championship for outdoor Track and Field. That would not have happened without the "big" sports providing revenue to the non revenue sports. Same with the Texas woman's volleyball team that won the National Championship this year.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:"People keep conflating athletic departments with football programs. These schools with good football programs allow good paydays to fund all of the programs that operate at a loss. While the athletic programs might run at a deficit, without the cash generated from football it would be worse. All of the schools with profitable athletic departments generally have rabid football or basketball fan bases.

The other question to ask is why athletic departments should need to make a profit? There are real benefits that accrue to a school with successful football and basketball programs, such as alumni donations, national advertising, and making the school more appealing to prospective students."

While I generally agree with your comment, I don't agree with your statement of "why athletic departments should need to make a profit".

The profit from the big sports at Texas (football, basketball and even baseball) allows universities to pay for other sports that don't make a profit snd provide much needed Title 9 money to women's athletics. My Niece (and her team) just won the National Championship for outdoor Track and Field. That would not have happened without the "big" sports providing revenue to the non revenue sports. Same with the Texas woman's volleyball team that won the National Championship this year.

Most schools have successful niche teams without being able to turn a profit. I do see your point though; it’s certainly much easier to fund a top notch woman’s track and field team if you’ve got an extra 20 million to allocate.

[Anonymous]

https://outkick.com/big-ten-expansion-pac-12-implosion-report-oregon-washington/

Almost certain that Washington & Oregon are headed to the Big Ten soon. The Big Ten Conference asked one of its members to cancel its upcoming series with the University of Washington. This is a sign that U Washington will be moving to the Big Ten soon.

[Anonymous]

From June 6, 2023:

https://sportskeeda.com/college-football/rumor-are-oregon-washington-going-big-10-latest-cfb-realignment-rumors

[Anonymous]

Two days ago:

https://clutchpoints.com/big-ten-oregon-college-football-expansion-conference-realignment

Suggests that U Washington, U Oregon, U Miami, & U Virginia are likely targets for Big Ten expansion.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Not to highjack this thread, but Texas moving to the SEC is huge. "The UT athletic department is a self-sustaining operation. No public money is used for any aspect of UT athletics.'' And in total, specific to the football program, the University of Texas has $41.8 million in expenses (quite a budget) but $146.8 million in football revenue. And that profit of almost $105 million is the financial foundation for all other programs in the athletic department.

There are quite a few self sustaining athletic departments. That’s not unusual at all.

Can you post the self sustaining departments?

The schools getting the fat TV contracts through their leagues have self-sustaining Athletic departments. UT is not unique.

What is your definition of "unique"? There are only 22 self sustaining football programs the participate in D1 athletics. That is less than 10 percent of D1 public institutions.

These are the 22 schools who turned a profit in the athletic department without having to rely on student fees or other forms of support from the university (including government funds):


School
Total revenue
Generated revenue
Allocated revenue
Total expenses
Difference

Oregon
$122,394,483
$119,709,341
$2,685,142
$77,856,232
$41,853,109*

Alabama
$130,542,153
$125,562,153
$4,980,000
$98,961,214
$26,600,939

Penn State
$106,614,724
$106,614,724
$0
$88,041,921
$18,572,803

Michigan
$106,874,031
$106,640,861
$233,170
$89,133,850
$17,507,011

Oklahoma State
$106,362,128
$100,708,922
$5,653,206
$83,748,207
$16,960,715

Iowa
$88,735,093
$88,209,386
$525,707
$74,438,196
$13,771,190

Texas
$143,555,354
$143,555,354
$0
$130,436,534
$13,118,820

Oklahoma
$98,512,287
$98,512,287
$0
$87,678,199
$10,834,088

Georgia
$89,735,934
$86,533,389
$3,202,545
$77,250,831
$9,282,558

LSU
$111,030,795
$111,030,795
$0
$102,326,769
$8,704,026

Kansas State
$53,436,790
$50,201,682
$3,235,108
$42,337,682
$7,864,000

Florida
$117,104,407
$112,693,506
$4,410,901
$105,824,376
$6,869,130

Texas A&M
$82,774,133
$82,774,133
$0
$75,941,926
$6,832,207

Arkansas
$78,072,620
$76,377,647
$1,694,973
$71,801,905
$4,575,742

Purdue
$61,653,561
$61,653,561
$0
$58,365,143
$3,288,418

Michigan State
$83,545,892
$83,545,892
$3,348,785
$78,162,447
$2,034,660

Nebraska
$73,483,733
$73,483,733
$0
$71,738,068
$1,745,665

West Virginia
$62,030,104
$57,774,867
$4,255,237
$56,607,917
$1,166,950

Indiana
$69,287,811
$66,905,296
$2,382,515
$65,796,415
$1,108,881

Virginia Tech
$63,613,464
$56,706,913
$6,906,551
$55,738,633
$968,280

Ohio State
$123,174, 176
$123,174, 176
$0
$122,739,754
$434,422

Washington
$64,034,410
$61,851,895
$2,182,515
$61,640,598
$211,297
The chart is courtesy of USA Today.

Some places are, it seems, football factories first, and academic centers second (and barely at that).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm from the Midwest and really hate these Big Ten expansions. Having Rutgers and UCLA in the Big Ten is stupid.

ME TOO

And that is the point. The conferences are no longer regional -- the top ones are or will be national. The says of thinking that the Big 10 is midwest or even that the SEC is southern are over. SEC will add northern schools before too long.

The world changes

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm from the Midwest and really hate these Big Ten expansions. Having Rutgers and UCLA in the Big Ten is stupid.

ME TOO

UCLA has the second most national championships, why would you not want that in the big10? and 5 of the top 15 are in the big10 once UCLA and USC join the big 10. The 3 current Big10 schools in the top 15 are Penn St, Michigan, and Maryland.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Not to highjack this thread, but Texas moving to the SEC is huge. "The UT athletic department is a self-sustaining operation. No public money is used for any aspect of UT athletics.'' And in total, specific to the football program, the University of Texas has $41.8 million in expenses (quite a budget) but $146.8 million in football revenue. And that profit of almost $105 million is the financial foundation for all other programs in the athletic department.

There are quite a few self sustaining athletic departments. That’s not unusual at all.

Can you post the self sustaining departments?

The schools getting the fat TV contracts through their leagues have self-sustaining Athletic departments. UT is not unique.

What is your definition of "unique"? There are only 22 self sustaining football programs the participate in D1 athletics. That is less than 10 percent of D1 public institutions.

These are the 22 schools who turned a profit in the athletic department without having to rely on student fees or other forms of support from the university (including government funds):


School
Total revenue
Generated revenue
Allocated revenue
Total expenses
Difference

Oregon
$122,394,483
$119,709,341
$2,685,142
$77,856,232
$41,853,109*

Alabama
$130,542,153
$125,562,153
$4,980,000
$98,961,214
$26,600,939

Penn State
$106,614,724
$106,614,724
$0
$88,041,921
$18,572,803

Michigan
$106,874,031
$106,640,861
$233,170
$89,133,850
$17,507,011

Oklahoma State
$106,362,128
$100,708,922
$5,653,206
$83,748,207
$16,960,715

Iowa
$88,735,093
$88,209,386
$525,707
$74,438,196
$13,771,190

Texas
$143,555,354
$143,555,354
$0
$130,436,534
$13,118,820

Oklahoma
$98,512,287
$98,512,287
$0
$87,678,199
$10,834,088

Georgia
$89,735,934
$86,533,389
$3,202,545
$77,250,831
$9,282,558

LSU
$111,030,795
$111,030,795
$0
$102,326,769
$8,704,026

Kansas State
$53,436,790
$50,201,682
$3,235,108
$42,337,682
$7,864,000

Florida
$117,104,407
$112,693,506
$4,410,901
$105,824,376
$6,869,130

Texas A&M
$82,774,133
$82,774,133
$0
$75,941,926
$6,832,207

Arkansas
$78,072,620
$76,377,647
$1,694,973
$71,801,905
$4,575,742

Purdue
$61,653,561
$61,653,561
$0
$58,365,143
$3,288,418

Michigan State
$83,545,892
$83,545,892
$3,348,785
$78,162,447
$2,034,660

Nebraska
$73,483,733
$73,483,733
$0
$71,738,068
$1,745,665

West Virginia
$62,030,104
$57,774,867
$4,255,237
$56,607,917
$1,166,950

Indiana
$69,287,811
$66,905,296
$2,382,515
$65,796,415
$1,108,881

Virginia Tech
$63,613,464
$56,706,913
$6,906,551
$55,738,633
$968,280

Ohio State
$123,174, 176
$123,174, 176
$0
$122,739,754
$434,422

Washington
$64,034,410
$61,851,895
$2,182,515
$61,640,598
$211,297
The chart is courtesy of USA Today.

Some places are, it seems, football factories first, and academic centers second (and barely at that).

Disagree. Maybe West Virginia University, but not the others. The University of Alabama Honors College, for example, is one of the largest, most generous, and most diverse in terms of state residency.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Not to highjack this thread, but Texas moving to the SEC is huge. "The UT athletic department is a self-sustaining operation. No public money is used for any aspect of UT athletics.'' And in total, specific to the football program, the University of Texas has $41.8 million in expenses (quite a budget) but $146.8 million in football revenue. And that profit of almost $105 million is the financial foundation for all other programs in the athletic department.

There are quite a few self sustaining athletic departments. That’s not unusual at all.

Can you post the self sustaining departments?

The schools getting the fat TV contracts through their leagues have self-sustaining Athletic departments. UT is not unique.

What is your definition of "unique"? There are only 22 self sustaining football programs the participate in D1 athletics. That is less than 10 percent of D1 public institutions.

These are the 22 schools who turned a profit in the athletic department without having to rely on student fees or other forms of support from the university (including government funds):


School
Total revenue
Generated revenue
Allocated revenue
Total expenses
Difference

Oregon
$122,394,483
$119,709,341
$2,685,142
$77,856,232
$41,853,109*

Alabama
$130,542,153
$125,562,153
$4,980,000
$98,961,214
$26,600,939

Penn State
$106,614,724
$106,614,724
$0
$88,041,921
$18,572,803

Michigan
$106,874,031
$106,640,861
$233,170
$89,133,850
$17,507,011

Oklahoma State
$106,362,128
$100,708,922
$5,653,206
$83,748,207
$16,960,715

Iowa
$88,735,093
$88,209,386
$525,707
$74,438,196
$13,771,190

Texas
$143,555,354
$143,555,354
$0
$130,436,534
$13,118,820

Oklahoma
$98,512,287
$98,512,287
$0
$87,678,199
$10,834,088

Georgia
$89,735,934
$86,533,389
$3,202,545
$77,250,831
$9,282,558

LSU
$111,030,795
$111,030,795
$0
$102,326,769
$8,704,026

Kansas State
$53,436,790
$50,201,682
$3,235,108
$42,337,682
$7,864,000

Florida
$117,104,407
$112,693,506
$4,410,901
$105,824,376
$6,869,130

Texas A&M
$82,774,133
$82,774,133
$0
$75,941,926
$6,832,207

Arkansas
$78,072,620
$76,377,647
$1,694,973
$71,801,905
$4,575,742

Purdue
$61,653,561
$61,653,561
$0
$58,365,143
$3,288,418

Michigan State
$83,545,892
$83,545,892
$3,348,785
$78,162,447
$2,034,660

Nebraska
$73,483,733
$73,483,733
$0
$71,738,068
$1,745,665

West Virginia
$62,030,104
$57,774,867
$4,255,237
$56,607,917
$1,166,950

Indiana
$69,287,811
$66,905,296
$2,382,515
$65,796,415
$1,108,881

Virginia Tech
$63,613,464
$56,706,913
$6,906,551
$55,738,633
$968,280

Ohio State
$123,174, 176
$123,174, 176
$0
$122,739,754
$434,422

Washington
$64,034,410
$61,851,895
$2,182,515
$61,640,598
$211,297
The chart is courtesy of USA Today.

Some places are, it seems, football factories first, and academic centers second (and barely at that).

Disagree. Maybe West Virginia University, but not the others. The University of Alabama Honors College, for example, is one of the largest, most generous, and most diverse in terms of state residency.

Nice try.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not to highjack this thread, but Texas moving to the SEC is huge. "The UT athletic department is a self-sustaining operation. No public money is used for any aspect of UT athletics.'' And in total, specific to the football program, the University of Texas has $41.8 million in expenses (quite a budget) but $146.8 million in football revenue. And that profit of almost $105 million is the financial foundation for all other programs in the athletic department.

There are quite a few self sustaining athletic departments. That’s not unusual at all.

Can you post the self sustaining departments?

The schools getting the fat TV contracts through their leagues have self-sustaining Athletic departments. UT is not unique.

What is your definition of "unique"? There are only 22 self sustaining football programs the participate in D1 athletics. That is less than 10 percent of D1 public institutions.

These are the 22 schools who turned a profit in the athletic department without having to rely on student fees or other forms of support from the university (including government funds):


School
Total revenue
Generated revenue
Allocated revenue
Total expenses
Difference

Oregon
$122,394,483
$119,709,341
$2,685,142
$77,856,232
$41,853,109*

Alabama
$130,542,153
$125,562,153
$4,980,000
$98,961,214
$26,600,939

Penn State
$106,614,724
$106,614,724
$0
$88,041,921
$18,572,803

Michigan
$106,874,031
$106,640,861
$233,170
$89,133,850
$17,507,011

Oklahoma State
$106,362,128
$100,708,922
$5,653,206
$83,748,207
$16,960,715

Iowa
$88,735,093
$88,209,386
$525,707
$74,438,196
$13,771,190

Texas
$143,555,354
$143,555,354
$0
$130,436,534
$13,118,820

Oklahoma
$98,512,287
$98,512,287
$0
$87,678,199
$10,834,088

Georgia
$89,735,934
$86,533,389
$3,202,545
$77,250,831
$9,282,558

LSU
$111,030,795
$111,030,795
$0
$102,326,769
$8,704,026

Kansas State
$53,436,790
$50,201,682
$3,235,108
$42,337,682
$7,864,000

Florida
$117,104,407
$112,693,506
$4,410,901
$105,824,376
$6,869,130

Texas A&M
$82,774,133
$82,774,133
$0
$75,941,926
$6,832,207

Arkansas
$78,072,620
$76,377,647
$1,694,973
$71,801,905
$4,575,742

Purdue
$61,653,561
$61,653,561
$0
$58,365,143
$3,288,418

Michigan State
$83,545,892
$83,545,892
$3,348,785
$78,162,447
$2,034,660

Nebraska
$73,483,733
$73,483,733
$0
$71,738,068
$1,745,665

West Virginia
$62,030,104
$57,774,867
$4,255,237
$56,607,917
$1,166,950

Indiana
$69,287,811
$66,905,296
$2,382,515
$65,796,415
$1,108,881

Virginia Tech
$63,613,464
$56,706,913
$6,906,551
$55,738,633
$968,280

Ohio State
$123,174, 176
$123,174, 176
$0
$122,739,754
$434,422

Washington
$64,034,410
$61,851,895
$2,182,515
$61,640,598
$211,297
The chart is courtesy of USA Today.

Some places are, it seems, football factories first, and academic centers second (and barely at that).

Disagree. Maybe West Virginia University, but not the others. The University of Alabama Honors College, for example, is one of the largest, most generous, and most diverse in terms of state residency.

Nice try.

DP- honors colleges are places like Alabama, Georgia, South Carolina are actually top flight

[Anonymous]

Having an honors college with a small percentage of students is much different from being an "academic center."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Having an honors college with a small percentage of students is much different from being an "academic center."

There’s not academic work being done at universities with over 30,000 students?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Having an honors college with a small percentage of students is much different from being an "academic center."

About 7,300 students are in the Honors College at Alabama. About 26% of the undergraduate students at the University of Alabama are in the Honors College. This is equal to about 4 SLACs.

Between 1,900 and 2,000 freshman are in the University of Alabama Honors College each year. Essentially, the UA Honors College is the size of an LAC within a large university.

The average SAT score for University of Georgia Honors College students is above 1500. Ten (10%) percent of all undegrads at the University of Georgia are in the honors College. This is over 2,800 undergraduate students.

The University of South Carolina Honors College consists of about 9% of the total undergraduate student body. Average class size is16 students in the honors College.