College Football--Big Ten Expansion

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Not to highjack this thread, but Texas moving to the SEC is huge. "The UT athletic department is a self-sustaining operation. No public money is used for any aspect of UT athletics.'' And in total, specific to the football program, the University of Texas has $41.8 million in expenses (quite a budget) but $146.8 million in football revenue. And that profit of almost $105 million is the financial foundation for all other programs in the athletic department.

There are quite a few self sustaining athletic departments. That’s not unusual at all.

Can you post the self sustaining departments?

Basically all of the big football and mens basketball schools are self sustaining and then some.

Totally wrong. Only about 10% of athletic programs are self sufficient. But go ahead and list them if you’d like.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not to highjack this thread, but Texas moving to the SEC is huge. "The UT athletic department is a self-sustaining operation. No public money is used for any aspect of UT athletics.'' And in total, specific to the football program, the University of Texas has $41.8 million in expenses (quite a budget) but $146.8 million in football revenue. And that profit of almost $105 million is the financial foundation for all other programs in the athletic department.

There are quite a few self sustaining athletic departments. That’s not unusual at all.

Can you post the self sustaining departments?

Basically all of the big football and mens basketball schools are self sustaining and then some.

Totally wrong. Only about 10% of athletic programs are self sufficient. But go ahead and list them if you’d like.

That’s probably true for the overall athletic budget but mens football and sometimes basketball makes money at many schools. For schools in the big power conferences about half turn a profit.

I’m a college football fan, but big time college sports have lost their way. It’s the tail wagging the dog unfortunately.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not to highjack this thread, but Texas moving to the SEC is huge. "The UT athletic department is a self-sustaining operation. No public money is used for any aspect of UT athletics.'' And in total, specific to the football program, the University of Texas has $41.8 million in expenses (quite a budget) but $146.8 million in football revenue. And that profit of almost $105 million is the financial foundation for all other programs in the athletic department.

There are quite a few self sustaining athletic departments. That’s not unusual at all.

Can you post the self sustaining departments?

Basically all of the big football and mens basketball schools are self sustaining and then some.

Totally wrong. Only about 10% of athletic programs are self sufficient. But go ahead and list them if you’d like.

This takes it down to $7M in profitability. The tail is pretty long after to get to revenue neutral.

[Anonymous]

From February 27, 2023:

https://si.com/fannation/college/cfb-hq/ncaa-football/college-football-expansion-big-ten-targeting-pac-12-schools

The final two paragraphs about Ohio State University cancelling its series with the University of Washington suggests that the University of Washington is about to become a member of the Big Ten Conference according to Sports Illustrated.

[Anonymous]

From 6 days ago (July 2, 2023):

https://basicbluesnation.com/big-ten-waiting-for-pac-12-to-implode-for-conference-expansion/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm from the Midwest and really hate these Big Ten expansions. Having Rutgers and UCLA in the Big Ten is stupid.

I don't even want Nebraska in the Big 10.

[Anonymous]

The world is changing rapidly. Too much money in expansion for the Big Ten.

Nebraska has been a financial success for all parties.

Most likely, major college football will be run by a few mega-conferences rather than the NCAA, in the near future.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The world is changing rapidly. Too much money in expansion for the Big Ten.

Nebraska has been a financial success for all parties.

Most likely, major college football will be run by a few mega-conferences rather than the NCAA, in the near future.

Except they have been a competitive non-factor, particularly in football.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not to highjack this thread, but Texas moving to the SEC is huge. "The UT athletic department is a self-sustaining operation. No public money is used for any aspect of UT athletics.'' And in total, specific to the football program, the University of Texas has $41.8 million in expenses (quite a budget) but $146.8 million in football revenue. And that profit of almost $105 million is the financial foundation for all other programs in the athletic department.

There are quite a few self sustaining athletic departments. That’s not unusual at all.

Can you post the self sustaining departments?

The schools getting the fat TV contracts through their leagues have self-sustaining Athletic departments. UT is not unique.

What is your definition of "unique"? There are only 22 self sustaining football programs the participate in D1 athletics. That is less than 10 percent of D1 public institutions.

These are the 22 schools who turned a profit in the athletic department without having to rely on student fees or other forms of support from the university (including government funds):


School
Total revenue
Generated revenue
Allocated revenue
Total expenses
Difference

Oregon
$122,394,483
$119,709,341
$2,685,142
$77,856,232
$41,853,109*

Alabama
$130,542,153
$125,562,153
$4,980,000
$98,961,214
$26,600,939

Penn State
$106,614,724
$106,614,724
$0
$88,041,921
$18,572,803

Michigan
$106,874,031
$106,640,861
$233,170
$89,133,850
$17,507,011

Oklahoma State
$106,362,128
$100,708,922
$5,653,206
$83,748,207
$16,960,715

Iowa
$88,735,093
$88,209,386
$525,707
$74,438,196
$13,771,190

Texas
$143,555,354
$143,555,354
$0
$130,436,534
$13,118,820

Oklahoma
$98,512,287
$98,512,287
$0
$87,678,199
$10,834,088

Georgia
$89,735,934
$86,533,389
$3,202,545
$77,250,831
$9,282,558

LSU
$111,030,795
$111,030,795
$0
$102,326,769
$8,704,026

Kansas State
$53,436,790
$50,201,682
$3,235,108
$42,337,682
$7,864,000

Florida
$117,104,407
$112,693,506
$4,410,901
$105,824,376
$6,869,130

Texas A&M
$82,774,133
$82,774,133
$0
$75,941,926
$6,832,207

Arkansas
$78,072,620
$76,377,647
$1,694,973
$71,801,905
$4,575,742

Purdue
$61,653,561
$61,653,561
$0
$58,365,143
$3,288,418

Michigan State
$83,545,892
$83,545,892
$3,348,785
$78,162,447
$2,034,660

Nebraska
$73,483,733
$73,483,733
$0
$71,738,068
$1,745,665

West Virginia
$62,030,104
$57,774,867
$4,255,237
$56,607,917
$1,166,950

Indiana
$69,287,811
$66,905,296
$2,382,515
$65,796,415
$1,108,881

Virginia Tech
$63,613,464
$56,706,913
$6,906,551
$55,738,633
$968,280

Ohio State
$123,174, 176
$123,174, 176
$0
$122,739,754
$434,422

Washington
$64,034,410
$61,851,895
$2,182,515
$61,640,598
$211,297
The chart is courtesy of USA Today.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not to highjack this thread, but Texas moving to the SEC is huge. "The UT athletic department is a self-sustaining operation. No public money is used for any aspect of UT athletics.'' And in total, specific to the football program, the University of Texas has $41.8 million in expenses (quite a budget) but $146.8 million in football revenue. And that profit of almost $105 million is the financial foundation for all other programs in the athletic department.

There are quite a few self sustaining athletic departments. That’s not unusual at all.

Can you post the self sustaining departments?

The schools getting the fat TV contracts through their leagues have self-sustaining Athletic departments. UT is not unique.

What is your definition of "unique"? There are only 22 self sustaining football programs the participate in D1 athletics. That is less than 10 percent of D1 public institutions.

These are the 22 schools who turned a profit in the athletic department without having to rely on student fees or other forms of support from the university (including government funds):


School
Total revenue
Generated revenue
Allocated revenue
Total expenses
Difference

Oregon
$122,394,483
$119,709,341
$2,685,142
$77,856,232
$41,853,109*

Alabama
$130,542,153
$125,562,153
$4,980,000
$98,961,214
$26,600,939

Penn State
$106,614,724
$106,614,724
$0
$88,041,921
$18,572,803

Michigan
$106,874,031
$106,640,861
$233,170
$89,133,850
$17,507,011

Oklahoma State
$106,362,128
$100,708,922
$5,653,206
$83,748,207
$16,960,715

Iowa
$88,735,093
$88,209,386
$525,707
$74,438,196
$13,771,190

Texas
$143,555,354
$143,555,354
$0
$130,436,534
$13,118,820

Oklahoma
$98,512,287
$98,512,287
$0
$87,678,199
$10,834,088

Georgia
$89,735,934
$86,533,389
$3,202,545
$77,250,831
$9,282,558

LSU
$111,030,795
$111,030,795
$0
$102,326,769
$8,704,026

Kansas State
$53,436,790
$50,201,682
$3,235,108
$42,337,682
$7,864,000

Florida
$117,104,407
$112,693,506
$4,410,901
$105,824,376
$6,869,130

Texas A&M
$82,774,133
$82,774,133
$0
$75,941,926
$6,832,207

Arkansas
$78,072,620
$76,377,647
$1,694,973
$71,801,905
$4,575,742

Purdue
$61,653,561
$61,653,561
$0
$58,365,143
$3,288,418

Michigan State
$83,545,892
$83,545,892
$3,348,785
$78,162,447
$2,034,660

Nebraska
$73,483,733
$73,483,733
$0
$71,738,068
$1,745,665

West Virginia
$62,030,104
$57,774,867
$4,255,237
$56,607,917
$1,166,950

Indiana
$69,287,811
$66,905,296
$2,382,515
$65,796,415
$1,108,881

Virginia Tech
$63,613,464
$56,706,913
$6,906,551
$55,738,633
$968,280

Ohio State
$123,174, 176
$123,174, 176
$0
$122,739,754
$434,422

Washington
$64,034,410
$61,851,895
$2,182,515
$61,640,598
$211,297
The chart is courtesy of USA Today.

People keep conflating athletic departments with football programs. These schools with good football programs allow good paydays to fund all of the programs that operate at a loss. While the athletic programs might run at a deficit, without the cash generated from football it would be worse. All of the schools with profitable athletic departments generally have rabid football or basketball fan bases.

The other question to ask is why athletic departments should need to make a profit? There are real benefits that accrue to a school with successful football and basketball programs, such as alumni donations, national advertising, and making the school more appealing to prospective students.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not to highjack this thread, but Texas moving to the SEC is huge. "The UT athletic department is a self-sustaining operation. No public money is used for any aspect of UT athletics.'' And in total, specific to the football program, the University of Texas has $41.8 million in expenses (quite a budget) but $146.8 million in football revenue. And that profit of almost $105 million is the financial foundation for all other programs in the athletic department.

There are quite a few self sustaining athletic departments. That’s not unusual at all.

Can you post the self sustaining departments?

The schools getting the fat TV contracts through their leagues have self-sustaining Athletic departments. UT is not unique.

What is your definition of "unique"? There are only 22 self sustaining football programs the participate in D1 athletics. That is less than 10 percent of D1 public institutions.

These are the 22 schools who turned a profit in the athletic department without having to rely on student fees or other forms of support from the university (including government funds):


School
Total revenue
Generated revenue
Allocated revenue
Total expenses
Difference

Oregon
$122,394,483
$119,709,341
$2,685,142
$77,856,232
$41,853,109*

Alabama
$130,542,153
$125,562,153
$4,980,000
$98,961,214
$26,600,939

Penn State
$106,614,724
$106,614,724
$0
$88,041,921
$18,572,803

Michigan
$106,874,031
$106,640,861
$233,170
$89,133,850
$17,507,011

Oklahoma State
$106,362,128
$100,708,922
$5,653,206
$83,748,207
$16,960,715

Iowa
$88,735,093
$88,209,386
$525,707
$74,438,196
$13,771,190

Texas
$143,555,354
$143,555,354
$0
$130,436,534
$13,118,820

Oklahoma
$98,512,287
$98,512,287
$0
$87,678,199
$10,834,088

Georgia
$89,735,934
$86,533,389
$3,202,545
$77,250,831
$9,282,558

LSU
$111,030,795
$111,030,795
$0
$102,326,769
$8,704,026

Kansas State
$53,436,790
$50,201,682
$3,235,108
$42,337,682
$7,864,000

Florida
$117,104,407
$112,693,506
$4,410,901
$105,824,376
$6,869,130

Texas A&M
$82,774,133
$82,774,133
$0
$75,941,926
$6,832,207

Arkansas
$78,072,620
$76,377,647
$1,694,973
$71,801,905
$4,575,742

Purdue
$61,653,561
$61,653,561
$0
$58,365,143
$3,288,418

Michigan State
$83,545,892
$83,545,892
$3,348,785
$78,162,447
$2,034,660

Nebraska
$73,483,733
$73,483,733
$0
$71,738,068
$1,745,665

West Virginia
$62,030,104
$57,774,867
$4,255,237
$56,607,917
$1,166,950

Indiana
$69,287,811
$66,905,296
$2,382,515
$65,796,415
$1,108,881

Virginia Tech
$63,613,464
$56,706,913
$6,906,551
$55,738,633
$968,280

Ohio State
$123,174, 176
$123,174, 176
$0
$122,739,754
$434,422

Washington
$64,034,410
$61,851,895
$2,182,515
$61,640,598
$211,297
The chart is courtesy of USA Today.

People keep conflating athletic departments with football programs. These schools with good football programs allow good paydays to fund all of the programs that operate at a loss. While the athletic programs might run at a deficit, without the cash generated from football it would be worse. All of the schools with profitable athletic departments generally have rabid football or basketball fan bases.

The other question to ask is why athletic departments should need to make a profit? There are real benefits that accrue to a school with successful football and basketball programs, such as alumni donations, national advertising, and making the school more appealing to prospective students.

You realize that's a big deal, right? Do you have any peer-reviewed evidence of your benefits claim?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not to highjack this thread, but Texas moving to the SEC is huge. "The UT athletic department is a self-sustaining operation. No public money is used for any aspect of UT athletics.'' And in total, specific to the football program, the University of Texas has $41.8 million in expenses (quite a budget) but $146.8 million in football revenue. And that profit of almost $105 million is the financial foundation for all other programs in the athletic department.

There are quite a few self sustaining athletic departments. That’s not unusual at all.

Can you post the self sustaining departments?

The schools getting the fat TV contracts through their leagues have self-sustaining Athletic departments. UT is not unique.

What is your definition of "unique"? There are only 22 self sustaining football programs the participate in D1 athletics. That is less than 10 percent of D1 public institutions.

These are the 22 schools who turned a profit in the athletic department without having to rely on student fees or other forms of support from the university (including government funds):


School
Total revenue
Generated revenue
Allocated revenue
Total expenses
Difference

Oregon
$122,394,483
$119,709,341
$2,685,142
$77,856,232
$41,853,109*

Alabama
$130,542,153
$125,562,153
$4,980,000
$98,961,214
$26,600,939

Penn State
$106,614,724
$106,614,724
$0
$88,041,921
$18,572,803

Michigan
$106,874,031
$106,640,861
$233,170
$89,133,850
$17,507,011

Oklahoma State
$106,362,128
$100,708,922
$5,653,206
$83,748,207
$16,960,715

Iowa
$88,735,093
$88,209,386
$525,707
$74,438,196
$13,771,190

Texas
$143,555,354
$143,555,354
$0
$130,436,534
$13,118,820

Oklahoma
$98,512,287
$98,512,287
$0
$87,678,199
$10,834,088

Georgia
$89,735,934
$86,533,389
$3,202,545
$77,250,831
$9,282,558

LSU
$111,030,795
$111,030,795
$0
$102,326,769
$8,704,026

Kansas State
$53,436,790
$50,201,682
$3,235,108
$42,337,682
$7,864,000

Florida
$117,104,407
$112,693,506
$4,410,901
$105,824,376
$6,869,130

Texas A&M
$82,774,133
$82,774,133
$0
$75,941,926
$6,832,207

Arkansas
$78,072,620
$76,377,647
$1,694,973
$71,801,905
$4,575,742

Purdue
$61,653,561
$61,653,561
$0
$58,365,143
$3,288,418

Michigan State
$83,545,892
$83,545,892
$3,348,785
$78,162,447
$2,034,660

Nebraska
$73,483,733
$73,483,733
$0
$71,738,068
$1,745,665

West Virginia
$62,030,104
$57,774,867
$4,255,237
$56,607,917
$1,166,950

Indiana
$69,287,811
$66,905,296
$2,382,515
$65,796,415
$1,108,881

Virginia Tech
$63,613,464
$56,706,913
$6,906,551
$55,738,633
$968,280

Ohio State
$123,174, 176
$123,174, 176
$0
$122,739,754
$434,422

Washington
$64,034,410
$61,851,895
$2,182,515
$61,640,598
$211,297
The chart is courtesy of USA Today.

People keep conflating athletic departments with football programs. These schools with good football programs allow good paydays to fund all of the programs that operate at a loss. While the athletic programs might run at a deficit, without the cash generated from football it would be worse. All of the schools with profitable athletic departments generally have rabid football or basketball fan bases.

The other question to ask is why athletic departments should need to make a profit? There are real benefits that accrue to a school with successful football and basketball programs, such as alumni donations, national advertising, and making the school more appealing to prospective students.

You realize that's a big deal, right? Do you have any peer-reviewed evidence of your benefits claim?

DP Number of apps soar as does amount & number of donations/donors. If you need "peer-review" to validate this, I feel sorry for you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not to highjack this thread, but Texas moving to the SEC is huge. "The UT athletic department is a self-sustaining operation. No public money is used for any aspect of UT athletics.'' And in total, specific to the football program, the University of Texas has $41.8 million in expenses (quite a budget) but $146.8 million in football revenue. And that profit of almost $105 million is the financial foundation for all other programs in the athletic department.

There are quite a few self sustaining athletic departments. That’s not unusual at all.

Can you post the self sustaining departments?

The schools getting the fat TV contracts through their leagues have self-sustaining Athletic departments. UT is not unique.

What is your definition of "unique"? There are only 22 self sustaining football programs the participate in D1 athletics. That is less than 10 percent of D1 public institutions.

These are the 22 schools who turned a profit in the athletic department without having to rely on student fees or other forms of support from the university (including government funds):


School
Total revenue
Generated revenue
Allocated revenue
Total expenses
Difference

Oregon
$122,394,483
$119,709,341
$2,685,142
$77,856,232
$41,853,109*

Alabama
$130,542,153
$125,562,153
$4,980,000
$98,961,214
$26,600,939

Penn State
$106,614,724
$106,614,724
$0
$88,041,921
$18,572,803

Michigan
$106,874,031
$106,640,861
$233,170
$89,133,850
$17,507,011

Oklahoma State
$106,362,128
$100,708,922
$5,653,206
$83,748,207
$16,960,715

Iowa
$88,735,093
$88,209,386
$525,707
$74,438,196
$13,771,190

Texas
$143,555,354
$143,555,354
$0
$130,436,534
$13,118,820

Oklahoma
$98,512,287
$98,512,287
$0
$87,678,199
$10,834,088

Georgia
$89,735,934
$86,533,389
$3,202,545
$77,250,831
$9,282,558

LSU
$111,030,795
$111,030,795
$0
$102,326,769
$8,704,026

Kansas State
$53,436,790
$50,201,682
$3,235,108
$42,337,682
$7,864,000

Florida
$117,104,407
$112,693,506
$4,410,901
$105,824,376
$6,869,130

Texas A&M
$82,774,133
$82,774,133
$0
$75,941,926
$6,832,207

Arkansas
$78,072,620
$76,377,647
$1,694,973
$71,801,905
$4,575,742

Purdue
$61,653,561
$61,653,561
$0
$58,365,143
$3,288,418

Michigan State
$83,545,892
$83,545,892
$3,348,785
$78,162,447
$2,034,660

Nebraska
$73,483,733
$73,483,733
$0
$71,738,068
$1,745,665

West Virginia
$62,030,104
$57,774,867
$4,255,237
$56,607,917
$1,166,950

Indiana
$69,287,811
$66,905,296
$2,382,515
$65,796,415
$1,108,881

Virginia Tech
$63,613,464
$56,706,913
$6,906,551
$55,738,633
$968,280

Ohio State
$123,174, 176
$123,174, 176
$0
$122,739,754
$434,422

Washington
$64,034,410
$61,851,895
$2,182,515
$61,640,598
$211,297
The chart is courtesy of USA Today.

People keep conflating athletic departments with football programs. These schools with good football programs allow good paydays to fund all of the programs that operate at a loss. While the athletic programs might run at a deficit, without the cash generated from football it would be worse. All of the schools with profitable athletic departments generally have rabid football or basketball fan bases.

The other question to ask is why athletic departments should need to make a profit? There are real benefits that accrue to a school with successful football and basketball programs, such as alumni donations, national advertising, and making the school more appealing to prospective students.

You realize that's a big deal, right? Do you have any peer-reviewed evidence of your benefits claim?

DP Number of apps soar as does amount & number of donations/donors. If you need "peer-review" to validate this, I feel sorry for you.

Do you know if the app quality increases? More apps isn't necessarily helpful.

[Anonymous]

Maybe they should contract Northwestern.

https://dailynorthwestern.com/2023/07/08/top-stories/former-nu-football-player-details-hazing-allegations-after-coach-suspension/

[Anonymous]

You realize that's a big deal, right? Do you have any peer-reviewed evidence of your benefits claim?

DP Number of apps soar as does amount & number of donations/donors. If you need "peer-review" to validate this, I feel sorry for you.

I thought so as well. However this study seems to think otherwise:

"According to the report, if a college improves its season wins by 5 games, it can expect alumni athletic donations to increase by $682,000 (28 percent), applications to increase by 677 (5 percent), in-state enrollment to increase by 76 students (3 percent) and incoming students’ 25th-percentile SAT scores to increase by nine points (1 percent)."

https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2012/07/03/report-finds-alumni-giving-among-other-areas-correlated-football-success#:~:text=According%20to%20the%20report%2C%20if,percentile%20SAT%20scores%20to%20increase