Ralph Yarl: Sweet, young teen shot trying to pick up siblings

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Lots of people lamenting the racism of the homeowner hete, but I guarantee that not a single one of the white or Asian people living in a wealthy DC suburb would have opened the door if they saw Ralph Yarl on the other side of it. Not one of you would have. You lament the racism but you are as racist as this homeowner was.

I'm betting that Yarl would have preferred an unopened door to being shot over. Your statement makes no sense.

+1. I'd advise my elderly parents to not open the door to a stranger. It wouldn't occur to me to advise them to shoot the person for ringing the doorbell.

This poster is being disingenuous to pretend the guy had only one option. And the sick thing is, so many people especially gun nuts, will actually take this argument and run with it.

Well said.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Dementia causes changes in personality including confusion, anxiety, and anger.

Just as we take car keys away from seniors who should no longer be driving, we need to take guns away from seniors too.

Could be dementia, but the availability of a gun nearby is a key factor too.

Also, a similar incident happened in upstate NY (several posters have provided link to story) and that shooter was mid-60s, so is that dementia too? That guy shot at a car coming up his driveway around 10pm at night. The people in the car had gone to the wrong house. A young woman was killed. It's the guns + paranoia/fear fueled by Fox etc.

It’s being fueled by actual crime. Bougie suburbs outside of Hartford are having an issue with stolen cars and carjacking. Because there is no real fear of prosecution, criminals have expanded outward. People don’t feel safe anymore.

Im not trying to minimize stolen cars but honestly, Id rather live with an increased risk of my car getting stolen versus my black son being shot for daring to exist. As far as people not feeling safe anymore, if this is the bar we are setting: whether you "feel" safe, then explain to me why every female walking alone at night isn't firing shots at every person who comes her way. Or stabbing any guy who gets to close at a party. Or the neighborhood watch party shooting at any person driving in the neighborhood at night with a car you don't recognize. Better let all the neighbors know grandma in her Buick is coming to visit tonight or shes getting popped.

Those all sound ridiculous. And yet...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Lots of people lamenting the racism of the homeowner hete, but I guarantee that not a single one of the white or Asian people living in a wealthy DC suburb would have opened the door if they saw Ralph Yarl on the other side of it. Not one of you would have. You lament the racism but you are as racist as this homeowner was.

I wouldn’t open the door to someone I don’t know at all. Black, white, Asian, male, female, binary, doesn’t matter. We have a woman in our neighborhood who knocks on doors in the middle of the night asking to come in people’s houses every few months. I don’t know her and my black husband does not open the door for her. To me this is common sense/living in a city. Race really doesn’t play a part in my decision. White dudes are most serial killers/mass murderers. Wouldn’t open my door to any.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Lots of people lamenting the racism of the homeowner hete, but I guarantee that not a single one of the white or Asian people living in a wealthy DC suburb would have opened the door if they saw Ralph Yarl on the other side of it. Not one of you would have. You lament the racism but you are as racist as this homeowner was.

I'm betting that Yarl would have preferred an unopened door to being shot over. Your statement makes no sense.

+1. I'd advise my elderly parents to not open the door to a stranger. It wouldn't occur to me to advise them to shoot the person for ringing the doorbell.

This poster is being disingenuous to pretend the guy had only one option. And the sick thing is, so many people especially gun nuts, will actually take this argument and run with it.

+2
Sure, let’s play that out: No one answers the door.
Kid calls his mom and says ‘mom no one answering door.’
She says ‘that’s weird are you at the house with the concrete steps?’
He says ‘no…wait what’s that address again?’ He gets back in his car and finds the right house.

This is normal life. This is every other country. This is what everyone should expect to happen. Instead we are all now living in fear of guns around every corner. We need a ‘the only thing we have to fear is fear itself’ moment from our leadership to get this gun crisis under control. We are living in absurdity.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Dementia causes changes in personality including confusion, anxiety, and anger.

Just as we take car keys away from seniors who should no longer be driving, we need to take guns away from seniors too.

Could be dementia, but the availability of a gun nearby is a key factor too.

Also, a similar incident happened in upstate NY (several posters have provided link to story) and that shooter was mid-60s, so is that dementia too? That guy shot at a car coming up his driveway around 10pm at night. The people in the car had gone to the wrong house. A young woman was killed. It's the guns + paranoia/fear fueled by Fox etc.

It’s being fueled by actual crime. Bougie suburbs outside of Hartford are having an issue with stolen cars and carjacking. Because there is no real fear of prosecution, criminals have expanded outward. People don’t feel safe anymore.

Im not trying to minimize stolen cars but honestly, Id rather live with an increased risk of my car getting stolen versus my black son being shot for daring to exist. As far as people not feeling safe anymore, if this is the bar we are setting: whether you "feel" safe, then explain to me why every female walking alone at night isn't firing shots at every person who comes her way. Or stabbing any guy who gets to close at a party. Or the neighborhood watch party shooting at any person driving in the neighborhood at night with a car you don't recognize. Better let all the neighbors know grandma in her Buick is coming to visit tonight or shes getting popped.

Those all sound ridiculous. And yet...

It's not a tradeoff - it is cause and effect. Violent crime is coming into formerly "safe" neighborhoods in larger and larger numbers. People feel less safe because of increased crime, AND police are suffering monumental shortages. The only remedy people feel they have left is self-help. I used to be very anti-gun-in-the-home and more and more I have thought about purchasing a gun and learning how to use it properly. I haven't taken that step, but when I replaced my windows, I upgraded to security windows, and I'm now purchasing an alarm system where I have never considered having one before. I do nightly security checks and subscribe to my local police newsfeed, which regularly has anti-crime tips. I have never felt vulnerable like this before - I feel like a target now all the time.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I also thought it’s pure racism (along the Aubrey case) until I found that it’s an 85 year old guy. It’s racism but also gun availability. Why, why does an 85 year old, living in an urban area (he’s not living alone in a cabin in the woods to justify owning a gun), need a gun? How come he can keep a gun? He will die in prison, but that does not help the child who was shot, and doesn’t prevent other incidents where people who should have no access to guns do have them. There will always be someone who’s racist, or who is suicidal, or who holds a grudge against the world for perceived real or imagined injustices. Gun ownership should not be this easy! There should be real checks. If I need to renew my driver’s license every 5-8 years, why should a gun owner not have to do the same?

I attended high school not far from Staley high school, which is considered in the Northland or "north" of the Missouri River. You have to drive across the Missouri River by bridge to get to the Northland. The older part of Kansas City, MO is "south" of the Missouri River. That's where the downtown, City Market, the Country Club Plaza, West Port, and the Paseo are located. "South" of the Missouri River has some of the wealthiest areas of Kansas City, like on Ward Parkway, and it also has some of the poorest areas. Most of the crime committed in the Kansas City metro area is concentrated South of the Missouri River and to the East.

Teenagers in the Northland have always enjoyed freedom to roam as they please without much consequence, as they should. My high school has traditions such as tp'ing football players houses for Homecoming. That's kids taking toilet paper in the middle of the night, and throwing it around the outside of the house. I can't imagine having older people like this man with guns, shooting at any noise they hear.

I'm not really sure is about race, though. It's really hard to know if this man with a gun wouldn't have shot at any teenager regardless of race or gender.

I think the fact that this happened at 10:00 at night adds context to the story that seems to be missing from most of the news reports. The initial stories made it sound like it was the middle of the afternoon. It also adds context as to why he had to go to multiple houses to get help. A lot of people aren’t going to open the door to an unknown stranger ringing their doorbell at that hour.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Lots of people lamenting the racism of the homeowner hete, but I guarantee that not a single one of the white or Asian people living in a wealthy DC suburb would have opened the door if they saw Ralph Yarl on the other side of it. Not one of you would have. You lament the racism but you are as racist as this homeowner was.

100% agree I would not have opened the door. Guess what I also wouldn't have opened it to a white teen or a woman or anyone at 10 pm. And guess what that's safer for me and in this case it would have been safer for RY as well. He would've stood there and said hmm looks like no one is here, called home and figured out he was standing at the wrong home. In this case he wasn't given the chance.

[Anonymous]

I read that the old white guy was very afraid of the young black man standing at his door. I believe that.

Now I'm wondering if it's then now okay for Black people to shoot the old white guys that they are afraid of.

[Anonymous]

Ralph was released from the hospital! So glad he’s recovering!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Dementia causes changes in personality including confusion, anxiety, and anger.

Just as we take car keys away from seniors who should no longer be driving, we need to take guns away from seniors too.

Could be dementia, but the availability of a gun nearby is a key factor too.

Also, a similar incident happened in upstate NY (several posters have provided link to story) and that shooter was mid-60s, so is that dementia too? That guy shot at a car coming up his driveway around 10pm at night. The people in the car had gone to the wrong house. A young woman was killed. It's the guns + paranoia/fear fueled by Fox etc.

It’s being fueled by actual crime. Bougie suburbs outside of Hartford are having an issue with stolen cars and carjacking. Because there is no real fear of prosecution, criminals have expanded outward. People don’t feel safe anymore.

Im not trying to minimize stolen cars but honestly, Id rather live with an increased risk of my car getting stolen versus my black son being shot for daring to exist. As far as people not feeling safe anymore, if this is the bar we are setting: whether you "feel" safe, then explain to me why every female walking alone at night isn't firing shots at every person who comes her way. Or stabbing any guy who gets to close at a party. Or the neighborhood watch party shooting at any person driving in the neighborhood at night with a car you don't recognize. Better let all the neighbors know grandma in her Buick is coming to visit tonight or shes getting popped.

Those all sound ridiculous. And yet...

It's not a tradeoff - it is cause and effect. Violent crime is coming into formerly "safe" neighborhoods in larger and larger numbers. People feel less safe because of increased crime, AND police are suffering monumental shortages. The only remedy people feel they have left is self-help. I used to be very anti-gun-in-the-home and more and more I have thought about purchasing a gun and learning how to use it properly. I haven't taken that step, but when I replaced my windows, I upgraded to security windows, and I'm now purchasing an alarm system where I have never considered having one before. I do nightly security checks and subscribe to my local police newsfeed, which regularly has anti-crime tips. I have never felt vulnerable like this before - I feel like a target now all the time.

May i suggest you seek mental health treatment stat!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Angry old man! You can just hear “get off my lawn!”

I’m hearing something else, but yeah…………

🤷🏽‍♀️🤷🏽‍♀️🤷🏽‍♀️

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is so heartbreaking. A young, saxophone playing black teen was doing his mom a favor by picking up his siblings. He knocks on the wrong door (think Street instead of Terrace), and is shot by the home owner. White homeowner then shoots him again.

This is ridiculous.

Nobody deserves to be shot for a muskake like that!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I also thought it’s pure racism (along the Aubrey case) until I found that it’s an 85 year old guy. It’s racism but also gun availability. Why, why does an 85 year old, living in an urban area (he’s not living alone in a cabin in the woods to justify owning a gun), need a gun? How come he can keep a gun? He will die in prison, but that does not help the child who was shot, and doesn’t prevent other incidents where people who should have no access to guns do have them. There will always be someone who’s racist, or who is suicidal, or who holds a grudge against the world for perceived real or imagined injustices. Gun ownership should not be this easy! There should be real checks. If I need to renew my driver’s license every 5-8 years, why should a gun owner not have to do the same?

I attended high school not far from Staley high school, which is considered in the Northland or "north" of the Missouri River. You have to drive across the Missouri River by bridge to get to the Northland. The older part of Kansas City, MO is "south" of the Missouri River. That's where the downtown, City Market, the Country Club Plaza, West Port, and the Paseo are located. "South" of the Missouri River has some of the wealthiest areas of Kansas City, like on Ward Parkway, and it also has some of the poorest areas. Most of the crime committed in the Kansas City metro area is concentrated South of the Missouri River and to the East.

Teenagers in the Northland have always enjoyed freedom to roam as they please without much consequence, as they should. My high school has traditions such as tp'ing football players houses for Homecoming. That's kids taking toilet paper in the middle of the night, and throwing it around the outside of the house. I can't imagine having older people like this man with guns, shooting at any noise they hear.

I'm not really sure is about race, though. It's really hard to know if this man with a gun wouldn't have shot at any teenager regardless of race or gender.

In yesterday's press conference, the DA stated that there was a racial element to the case. They know more than we do at this point. But in the similar case in upstate NY that happened around the same time, the shooter and the victim were white so, yes, it's not always about race. The guns are the one constant. Also, most of the shooters are men.

White men.

White. Men.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I also thought it’s pure racism (along the Aubrey case) until I found that it’s an 85 year old guy. It’s racism but also gun availability. Why, why does an 85 year old, living in an urban area (he’s not living alone in a cabin in the woods to justify owning a gun), need a gun? How come he can keep a gun? He will die in prison, but that does not help the child who was shot, and doesn’t prevent other incidents where people who should have no access to guns do have them. There will always be someone who’s racist, or who is suicidal, or who holds a grudge against the world for perceived real or imagined injustices. Gun ownership should not be this easy! There should be real checks. If I need to renew my driver’s license every 5-8 years, why should a gun owner not have to do the same?

I attended high school not far from Staley high school, which is considered in the Northland or "north" of the Missouri River. You have to drive across the Missouri River by bridge to get to the Northland. The older part of Kansas City, MO is "south" of the Missouri River. That's where the downtown, City Market, the Country Club Plaza, West Port, and the Paseo are located. "South" of the Missouri River has some of the wealthiest areas of Kansas City, like on Ward Parkway, and it also has some of the poorest areas. Most of the crime committed in the Kansas City metro area is concentrated South of the Missouri River and to the East.

Teenagers in the Northland have always enjoyed freedom to roam as they please without much consequence, as they should. My high school has traditions such as tp'ing football players houses for Homecoming. That's kids taking toilet paper in the middle of the night, and throwing it around the outside of the house. I can't imagine having older people like this man with guns, shooting at any noise they hear.

I'm not really sure is about race, though. It's really hard to know if this man with a gun wouldn't have shot at any teenager regardless of race or gender.

In yesterday's press conference, the DA stated that there was a racial element to the case. They know more than we do at this point. But in the similar case in upstate NY that happened around the same time, the shooter and the victim were white so, yes, it's not always about race. The guns are the one constant. Also, most of the shooters are men.

White men.

White. Men.

Let's not make it race thing. All types of races of men kill.

[Anonymous]

Men are the real problem. Honestly, it's either guns or men.
When she need a woman to sign off on their ability to even get enona gun