Look, the reason why adults frequently claim they didn’t report rumored issues of concern, is that they didn’t have the evidence. And it’s been repeatedly said that it’s not your job to wait around for whatever evidence you wanted before reporting. As the law stipulates, it’s mandated that you (if you’re school staff), report any suspected abuse. Not your job to prove anything. You aren’t a detective specialized in child rape. Even a psychologist has stated on this thread that what is already known is only the tip of the iceberg, based on the fact that the rapist was employed by Gilman for 15 years. Please educate yourself a bit. We can only look forward to headmaster and the other staff forced to testify under oath if they had ever heard rumors of perp’s ignoring school policy (sleepovers with students) and other illegal activities with children. Perhaps some parents even mentioned to school staff that their children were driven home by perp, and given booze by same perp. Time will tell. Be patient. |
Oh, I’m fine with being patient. I was just wondering why you keep claiming stuff happened and trying to stoke outrage, when we don’t actually have those facts. Until we actually find out from the investigation, how about we cool it with the speculation about what could’ve happened, or “must” have been known by whom? That perhaps parents said stuff to the school staff? Why are you even engaging in making up these scenarios? The reality is quite bad enough without layering on rumors and speculation. There’s plenty to be outraged about without making stuff up about the head of school, administration, etc. If you make accusations without any actual evidence, waving your hand and saying “it must surely be so, everyone knows that it’s common sense that it is so” you are doing nothing but spreading rumors. You are not helping the victims one bit. |
Just be honest, PP. One thing certainly would have helped the many victims: Gilman enforcing its own policies. In light of past Gilman failures of protecting students from teacher rapists, you must certainly understand the community outrage, and how this happened yet again at the very same school? How exactly do you imagine this won’t happen yet again if no one in Gilman leadership is held accountable? No consequences = No change. Open your eyes. Gilman promised to institute school policy changes last time. It’s appears they lied. Why? Who exactly was responsible for enforcing school policy? Wouldn’t that person be the headmaster? If not him, then who? Someone must finally be held accountable this time. Why not? “No one had a clue” is not a viable excuse considering how gravely children were harmed. If every single adult at Gilman missed every single red flag for 15 long years, they have no business providing an environment where pedophiles are able to have easy access to children. It’s imperative to end the abuse for good this time. |
When you say sleep over with students, you mean serve as an overnight babysitter? That’s very different. teachers are allowed to babysit just like in my sons public school, we use his teachers as sitters all the time. That’s not against school policy. Most schools I know allow that. the parents trusted him a little too much but babysitting is not against school policy as long as the teacher doesn’t currently teach the student. Would I allow a grown ass man to babysit my kids overnight? Probably not. But I do not believe it was against school policy. There are actually more sex abuse incidents in public schools than in private schools so there is that. |
This person who keeps repeating the same thing over and over is so tiresome. Instead of this being a useful thread to discuss the dangers to our children and how to protect them, it has become a soapbox for them to spew hatred for Gilman. |
Thank you for sharing what happened to you at school. People here who truly care about child safety, have hopefully learned very important information from your two posts. I hope Gilman steps up and offers to immediately pay for all student counseling (current and former) who were abused by Gilman teachers. All schools with any abuse history should do the same. Children must be protected from assault by school staff. That is a fundamental expectation and school obligation. |
After the investigation of the incidences in the 50s and the 90s, Gilman put together an action plan. I don’t have any reason to think that they lied about that, nor that they didn’t follow it. In fact, the swift action once an accusation reached the head of school makes me think that they did follow it. They have been very open and constant in communication, and have continually urged anyone with information to bring it directly to the authorities. If you think that policies were violated, please be specific about which policies, with information as to how you know that they were violated,. Because unless you have actual knowledge of administration ignoring their own policies, you are doing nothing but spreading rumors. Even the best policies, perfectly followed, would not be able to prevent all abuse. Your assumption of malfeasance on the part of the school is, so far, unfounded. If we learn that there was negligence or cover-up, I’ll be just as mad as you are, but until then, I will not vilify the faculty and administration of Gilman. They were horribly betrayed by a colleague they trusted. They care about our sons, I see it every day. This isn’t their fault. |
| Fifteen years of ignoring the flags from one teacher is egregious. Anyone who believes there were 15 years of zero red flags is in denial. Ask any investigator specializing in this field. School may claim complete ignorance, which would be incredible considering its sad history of child abuse. If that’s the case, there’s no hope of preventing more abuse. |
What is your source for this? I work in the child welfare system and have not seen this reported anywhere. Are you talking about numbers or percentage? And let's be honest - many private Catholic schools have been the source of sexual abuse cases for decades. In the end, this isn't a private vs public school issue. Children are far more likely to be sexually abused by a relative or fictive kin (trusted close family friend, godparent, etc.) than a school staff member. |
The worst danger to our children is any environment that has an established history of repeated child abuse. People who want to protect children learn the common red flags. And then you immediately report to your local police department, NOT the school. You do not sit quietly and wait for evidence. That’s not your job. Your job is to simply report. You get a copy of your report. It’s that simple. Now please make your contribution. “Nobody knew anything” doesn’t count. |
Sorry, but II think you may be confusing me with another poster. I didn't call for heads to roll. I'm not speculating on who knew what or who is liable. All I'm saying is that , from my own experience of having been abused by a teacher who taught for more than 20 years, parents should a assume they're were many, many assaults over a 15 year career there. And it'l also seems worth considering how deeply and firmly victims can bury and hide what happened for decades, avoiding telling even the people who could most help them. If I was a parent of a son who was at Gilman over the past 15 years,, I would definitely have a conversation with my child. |
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Too many emotions. Too many axes to grind. Too many people with biases against prominent institutions.
I reserve all judgment in absence of any meaningful evidence. I won't judge or castigate Gilman because there's no evidence of a cover up. I remember being a teen, both middle and upper schools, back in the 1990s and I know all the things that happened that kids never told teachers and teachers were often clueless. Nice and capable people who would never have been willing to cover up something like an abuse scandal. But kids are very capable of just not telling teachers anything. Don't you remember being a kid? I find it very plausible this Gilman teacher got away with his behavior for 15 years. |
Anyone claiming no one knew needs to stop. You only know about yourself. You do not know what others may have heard from students or from parents who may have not been happy about all the alcohol given to students or the other illegal acts perpetrated on students by the teacher during his 15 years of employment by the school. We’ll see what people will expose under oath. That’s all that really matters. No one really wants to admit having heard the rumors. It’s tragic. |
This, and it seems to be the same person posting again and again in this thread. |
| Evidence of teacher on student rape has already been documented. No need for the community to reserve judgement. What has happened for 15 years is horrific. Any institution that has a history of child sex assault is horrific. What change will they propose now? Anything? |