Lindsey Graham to introduce federal abortion ban

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Excellent NPR coverage (FM 88.5) on this topic this right now …

Lindsay is a savvy devil … trying to recapture the middle
Ground as over 90% of abortions could still go ahead I. States where abortion is still legal and onus would be on democrats to argue why abortions after 15 weeks should be allowed. Public opinion only supports early abortions before 15-16 weeks.

I listened to that in the car. The radio guest's opinion is that the only reason the right doesn't endorse Graham's plan is that they've lost so much positive coverage this summer over extreme abortion bans that they don't want to talk about it again before the midterms, even on the topic of what many see as a more "reasonable" abortion ban. I feel no one is talking about the important thing, which is protections for women and providers past 15 weeks, regarding medically-necessary abortions. A distraught mother does not need to jump through tons of hoops to get an abortion that would save her life or prevent further complications.

Graham's bill is NOT a reasonable abortion ban.

Most issues with pregancnies are not discovered until 20 weeks. Then what?

And there are still a handful of issues that develop in the third trimester. What do you do there?

I have an idea, how about we leave it between a doctor and their patient and get the federal and state government out of it all together?

We don't want to live in your Christian Fundementalist state.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Excellent NPR coverage (FM 88.5) on this topic this right now …

Lindsay is a savvy devil … trying to recapture the middle
Ground as over 90% of abortions could still go ahead I. States where abortion is still legal and onus would be on democrats to argue why abortions after 15 weeks should be allowed. Public opinion only supports early abortions before 15-16 weeks.

I listened to that in the car. The radio guest's opinion is that the only reason the right doesn't endorse Graham's plan is that they've lost so much positive coverage this summer over extreme abortion bans that they don't want to talk about it again before the midterms, even on the topic of what many see as a more "reasonable" abortion ban. I feel no one is talking about the important thing, which is protections for women and providers past 15 weeks, regarding medically-necessary abortions. A distraught mother does not need to jump through tons of hoops to get an abortion that would save her life or prevent further complications.

An actual woman that this happened to was at Graham‘s press conference and asked him a question about it, and he had no answer.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Excellent NPR coverage (FM 88.5) on this topic this right now …

Lindsay is a savvy devil … trying to recapture the middle
Ground as over 90% of abortions could still go ahead I. States where abortion is still legal and onus would be on democrats to argue why abortions after 15 weeks should be allowed. Public opinion only supports early abortions before 15-16 weeks.

I listened to that in the car. The radio guest's opinion is that the only reason the right doesn't endorse Graham's plan is that they've lost so much positive coverage this summer over extreme abortion bans that they don't want to talk about it again before the midterms, even on the topic of what many see as a more "reasonable" abortion ban. I feel no one is talking about the important thing, which is protections for women and providers past 15 weeks, regarding medically-necessary abortions. A distraught mother does not need to jump through tons of hoops to get an abortion that would save her life or prevent further complications.

An actual woman that this happened to was at Graham‘s press conference and asked him a question about it, and he had no answer.

He had the gall to justify the bill to her by referring to the fact that fetuses at 13 weeks “feel” pain. You know who really feels pain? Babies born with their organs outside of their bodies, or missing entirely, women who have to carry those babies as they develop and then die in utero, necessitating emergency surgery to remove the now dead baby from a mother’s body. These are the situations Graham has no idea about because he is a washed up hag who was at his prime in a different century.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Excellent NPR coverage (FM 88.5) on this topic this right now …

Lindsay is a savvy devil … trying to recapture the middle
Ground as over 90% of abortions could still go ahead I. States where abortion is still legal and onus would be on democrats to argue why abortions after 15 weeks should be allowed. Public opinion only supports early abortions before 15-16 weeks.

I listened to that in the car. The radio guest's opinion is that the only reason the right doesn't endorse Graham's plan is that they've lost so much positive coverage this summer over extreme abortion bans that they don't want to talk about it again before the midterms, even on the topic of what many see as a more "reasonable" abortion ban. I feel no one is talking about the important thing, which is protections for women and providers past 15 weeks, regarding medically-necessary abortions. A distraught mother does not need to jump through tons of hoops to get an abortion that would save her life or prevent further complications.

Graham's bill is NOT a reasonable abortion ban.

Most issues with pregancnies are not discovered until 20 weeks. Then what?

And there are still a handful of issues that develop in the third trimester. What do you do there?

I have an idea, how about we leave it between a doctor and their patient and get the federal and state government out of it all together?

We don't want to live in your Christian Fundementalist state.

PP you replied to. Yes, my point exactly. I didn't catch the beginning of the segment, so I don't know who the guest was, but it seemed to me neither her nor the host pushed on the issues that really matter for women: saving their lives, avoiding the risk of complications because of lengthy and unnecessary delays, and having to justify to someone else what should be a very private and personal decision.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Excellent NPR coverage (FM 88.5) on this topic this right now …

Lindsay is a savvy devil … trying to recapture the middle
Ground as over 90% of abortions could still go ahead I. States where abortion is still legal and onus would be on democrats to argue why abortions after 15 weeks should be allowed. Public opinion only supports early abortions before 15-16 weeks.

I listened to that in the car. The radio guest's opinion is that the only reason the right doesn't endorse Graham's plan is that they've lost so much positive coverage this summer over extreme abortion bans that they don't want to talk about it again before the midterms, even on the topic of what many see as a more "reasonable" abortion ban. I feel no one is talking about the important thing, which is protections for women and providers past 15 weeks, regarding medically-necessary abortions. A distraught mother does not need to jump through tons of hoops to get an abortion that would save her life or prevent further complications.

They’re also not talking about the fact that the forced birthers’ forced lack of access to abortion means that women necessarily have to wait and have later abortions than they’d want.

They have shut down or tried to shut down telemedicine abortions (that forced birthers require for a pregnant woman to be literally watched taking a pill to induce miscarriage). Forced birthers have tried in a hundred different ways to delay abortions to the point of inaccessibility, such that even if a woman discovers she’s pregnant early on and knows she doesn’t want to be pregnant, it might still be nearly impossible for her to get an early abortion.

The entire situation is flucked up.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Excellent NPR coverage (FM 88.5) on this topic this right now …

Lindsay is a savvy devil … trying to recapture the middle
Ground as over 90% of abortions could still go ahead I. States where abortion is still legal and onus would be on democrats to argue why abortions after 15 weeks should be allowed. Public opinion only supports early abortions before 15-16 weeks.

I listened to that in the car. The radio guest's opinion is that the only reason the right doesn't endorse Graham's plan is that they've lost so much positive coverage this summer over extreme abortion bans that they don't want to talk about it again before the midterms, even on the topic of what many see as a more "reasonable" abortion ban. I feel no one is talking about the important thing, which is protections for women and providers past 15 weeks, regarding medically-necessary abortions. A distraught mother does not need to jump through tons of hoops to get an abortion that would save her life or prevent further complications.

Graham's bill is NOT a reasonable abortion ban.

Most issues with pregancnies are not discovered until 20 weeks. Then what?

And there are still a handful of issues that develop in the third trimester. What do you do there?

I have an idea, how about we leave it between a doctor and their patient and get the federal and state government out of it all together?

We don't want to live in your Christian Fundementalist state.

Pp was not suggesting it was… just recognizing there was political calculation in the bill, which on the surface looks like a kamikaze flight mission …

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Excellent NPR coverage (FM 88.5) on this topic this right now …

Lindsay is a savvy devil … trying to recapture the middle
Ground as over 90% of abortions could still go ahead I. States where abortion is still legal and onus would be on democrats to argue why abortions after 15 weeks should be allowed. Public opinion only supports early abortions before 15-16 weeks.

I listened to that in the car. The radio guest's opinion is that the only reason the right doesn't endorse Graham's plan is that they've lost so much positive coverage this summer over extreme abortion bans that they don't want to talk about it again before the midterms, even on the topic of what many see as a more "reasonable" abortion ban. I feel no one is talking about the important thing, which is protections for women and providers past 15 weeks, regarding medically-necessary abortions. A distraught mother does not need to jump through tons of hoops to get an abortion that would save her life or prevent further complications.

An actual woman that this happened to was at Graham‘s press conference and asked him a question about it, and he had no answer.

He had the gall to justify the bill to her by referring to the fact that fetuses at 13 weeks “feel” pain. You know who really feels pain? Babies born with their organs outside of their bodies, or missing entirely, women who have to carry those babies as they develop and then die in utero, necessitating emergency surgery to remove the now dead baby from a mother’s body. These are the situations Graham has no idea about because he is a washed up hag who was at his prime in a different century.

That’s what is so freaking nuts about this. A PP talking about NPR suggested this would put the dems on their heels having to defend the need for abortions post 15 weeks. I mean, that would be a goldmine for the dems, sadly. there are SO many devastating and powerful stories about badly wanted children with genetic defects incompatible with life. People only support the 15 week ban because they haven’t thought deeply about it. The republicans will get absolutely crushed if these stories start getting talked about more and more, splice in the heartless reaction of Lindsay graham to the lady who asked the question at the end of the video.

[Anonymous]

Politicians should not be making personal health care decisions for anyone but themselves and their families. No bans, not government overreach.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So can anyone think through for me how this could possibly be good for Republicans? It seems like trouble all the way down - but is there something I am missing?

Is this supposed to energize forced birthers to get out to the polls -and if so why not make it a 6 week ban, or a zero week ban? What's the strategy?

15 week polls well with average American. Republicans can cast pro choice as blood thirsty baby killers if they support abortion access after 15 weeks. Can also claim “state rights” by saying states still have the choice to lower week threshold, just not raise. Don’t agree, just heard that’s a possible spin on it.

But no - this doesn't guarantee the right up to 15 weeks, while prohibiting it outside of extraordinary circumstances after that. I could see that possibly, maybe being popular - if it were bipartisan. But this is just a straight ban, with no corresponding rights. That's not at all popular.

This is such an important point. And one that I think doesn't get enough attention. Anti-choice forces/activists/groups have fought for 50 years to effectively eliminate abortion through regulation and laws that make it hard to get an abortion - vaginal ultrasounds, waiting periods, etc., not to mention their opposition to contraception. The legislation proposed doesn't grant you one gott dammt thing, it just says that the thing you probably can't get anyway will now be a crime if you do get it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Excellent NPR coverage (FM 88.5) on this topic this right now …

Lindsay is a savvy devil … trying to recapture the middle
Ground as over 90% of abortions could still go ahead I. States where abortion is still legal and onus would be on democrats to argue why abortions after 15 weeks should be allowed. Public opinion only supports early abortions before 15-16 weeks.

I listened to that in the car. The radio guest's opinion is that the only reason the right doesn't endorse Graham's plan is that they've lost so much positive coverage this summer over extreme abortion bans that they don't want to talk about it again before the midterms, even on the topic of what many see as a more "reasonable" abortion ban. I feel no one is talking about the important thing, which is protections for women and providers past 15 weeks, regarding medically-necessary abortions. A distraught mother does not need to jump through tons of hoops to get an abortion that would save her life or prevent further complications.

An actual woman that this happened to was at Graham‘s press conference and asked him a question about it, and he had no answer.

He had the gall to justify the bill to her by referring to the fact that fetuses at 13 weeks “feel” pain. You know who really feels pain? Babies born with their organs outside of their bodies, or missing entirely, women who have to carry those babies as they develop and then die in utero, necessitating emergency surgery to remove the now dead baby from a mother’s body. These are the situations Graham has no idea about because he is a washed up hag who was at his prime in a different century.

I have to say that while I don't support outing people that don't want to be out, and I am speaking specifically of Graham here, I think it is incredibly fair to ask him about his experience with the pregnancies of women in his life. I doubt he has any experience and he should be mercilessly ridiculed.

[Anonymous]

The level of cruelty masquerading as superior moral standards is mind boggling.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The level of cruelty masquerading as superior moral standards is mind boggling.

That the media doesn’t rip this for the cruelty that it is confirms (again) how in the tank they are for the GOP.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Excellent NPR coverage (FM 88.5) on this topic this right now …

Lindsay is a savvy devil … trying to recapture the middle
Ground as over 90% of abortions could still go ahead I. States where abortion is still legal and onus would be on democrats to argue why abortions after 15 weeks should be allowed. Public opinion only supports early abortions before 15-16 weeks.

I listened to that in the car. The radio guest's opinion is that the only reason the right doesn't endorse Graham's plan is that they've lost so much positive coverage this summer over extreme abortion bans that they don't want to talk about it again before the midterms, even on the topic of what many see as a more "reasonable" abortion ban. I feel no one is talking about the important thing, which is protections for women and providers past 15 weeks, regarding medically-necessary abortions. A distraught mother does not need to jump through tons of hoops to get an abortion that would save her life or prevent further complications.

An actual woman that this happened to was at Graham‘s press conference and asked him a question about it, and he had no answer.

He had the gall to justify the bill to her by referring to the fact that fetuses at 13 weeks “feel” pain. You know who really feels pain? Babies born with their organs outside of their bodies, or missing entirely, women who have to carry those babies as they develop and then die in utero, necessitating emergency surgery to remove the now dead baby from a mother’s body. These are the situations Graham has no idea about because he is a washed up hag who was at his prime in a different century.

I have to say that while I don't support outing people that don't want to be out, and I am speaking specifically of Graham here, I think it is incredibly fair to ask him about his experience with the pregnancies of women in his life. I doubt he has any experience and he should be mercilessly ridiculed.

I would like to see more women confront him with their experiences like this. I have never had to make the choice the woman in the video had to make, but I know several women that have. They are furious.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Excellent NPR coverage (FM 88.5) on this topic this right now …

Lindsay is a savvy devil … trying to recapture the middle
Ground as over 90% of abortions could still go ahead I. States where abortion is still legal and onus would be on democrats to argue why abortions after 15 weeks should be allowed. Public opinion only supports early abortions before 15-16 weeks.

I listened to that in the car. The radio guest's opinion is that the only reason the right doesn't endorse Graham's plan is that they've lost so much positive coverage this summer over extreme abortion bans that they don't want to talk about it again before the midterms, even on the topic of what many see as a more "reasonable" abortion ban. I feel no one is talking about the important thing, which is protections for women and providers past 15 weeks, regarding medically-necessary abortions. A distraught mother does not need to jump through tons of hoops to get an abortion that would save her life or prevent further complications.

An actual woman that this happened to was at Graham‘s press conference and asked him a question about it, and he had no answer.

He had the gall to justify the bill to her by referring to the fact that fetuses at 13 weeks “feel” pain. You know who really feels pain? Babies born with their organs outside of their bodies, or missing entirely, women who have to carry those babies as they develop and then die in utero, necessitating emergency surgery to remove the now dead baby from a mother’s body. These are the situations Graham has no idea about because he is a washed up hag who was at his prime in a different century.

Or let a woman die so the fetus doesn't have to feel pain? He doesn't get it.

[Anonymous]

I just don't believe anything they say. They are stuck now and want to say something positive. As soon as they get elected, they will return to no exceptions. Just look at the Supreme Court Justices who all lied and then when given the opportunity, did exactly what they said they would not do.